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Is meditation pseudoscience?

>> No.10677950

>>10677942
yes, waste of time

>> No.10677973

>Is meditation pseudoscience?
WTF?

That's like saying:
>"I heard about this new type of diet. Are diets pseudoscience?"
Short answer: no
Long answer: maybe ....... ?

>> No.10677978

>>10677950
t. pseud without even the laughably low attention span necessary to meditate

>> No.10677981

>>10677973
This, I can't stand redditors worship of science to the point where it's literally a litmus test for good or bad. Makes me want to go back into mathematics and philosophy

>> No.10678030

>>10677942
Meditating is literally just sitting down and putting effort into not thinking, why the hell are you so obsessed with dismissing it

>> No.10678033

>>10677942
brain scans show differences in people who practice meditation relative to people who don't

>> No.10678039

>>10677973
But diets 100% can be pseudoscience.

>> No.10678043

>>10678039
The fact that A may be in B doesn't mean every A is in B, therefore the implication that A is B just because A can be B is utter bullshit

>> No.10678046

>>10678043
I know, I was just pointing that out.

>> No.10678047

>>10678039
>are 100% pseudoscience
>some of the time

wut?

>> No.10678057

>>10678047
80% of x is y 100% of the time

>> No.10678058

yes it is. in the spiritual sense.

there are basic responses from doing it but you'll probably just get the same benefits laying down and taking a fucking break.

the benefits are really small, like the minuscule negative effects of jerking off. Just do both at the same time and you'll zero sum.

>> No.10678062

>>10678058
what responses do you mean and how small are they?

>> No.10678071

>>10678062
you mind becomes bored and it trains your brain to deal with boredom. it also leaves your muscles in a relaxed state which will clam your brain.
it doesn't turn you into a god though, unlike nofap or whatever.
there is no spirit stuff involved, it is simply low tier science.

again you could probably just take a nap or lay down and it'll have the same effect.

>> No.10678077

>>10678071
thanks 4chan guru. We truly have the smartest minds of the entire internet here.
I just fucking love /sci/ence.

>> No.10678111

>>10678030
You shouldn’t conjecture about something if you don’t even know what it is, same as OP but he is probably a kid genuinely asking.

>> No.10678122

>>10677942
For something to be pseudoscience it has to pretend to be scientific. So if someone or some type of meditation is making unfounded scientific claims about meditation, that is pseudoscience. Meditation on its own cannot by definition be pseudoscience.

Some types of meditation, buddhism, etc, are more of a protoscience. They try to make observations of the mind under meditatively altered states but do to the nature of the whole process it is very hard.

>> No.10678150

>>10677942
No
It is already proved by sicentific that meditation actually effective especially Buddhism meditation like breathing meditation, sensation meditation and analytical meditation.

Some example:
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1364661308000521
https://www.pnas.org/content/104/27/11483.short
https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/abstract/document/4431873

>> No.10678165

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Research_on_meditation

Meditation appears to have some benefits

>> No.10678265

No because it doesn't claim to be scientific.

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10678294

>>10677978
>hurr why do people think there ought to be proof for things

>> No.10678307

it's a religious thing, you meditate to detect yourself from your ego
It has nothing to do with stress relief or being calm, can a Buddhist back me up?

>> No.10678321

>>10678307
you won't feel less stress if you practice meditation but you might stop running through bad routines when you're stressed because you've practiced not reacting.

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>>10678321
>>10678307

>> No.10678333

>>10678321
>you won't feel less stress if you practice meditation
there are many types of meditation
meditation can be as simple as rhythmic breathing, which is guaranteed to reduce stress

I feel like people ITT hear the word meditation and are imagining some skinny guy in lotus position chanting. Personally, I feel like meditation is so basic and varied most people do it unconsciously while taking a shit. What I mean is meditation CAN be a religious experience, or it can be something anyone can do/everyone has done at some point. There's so many variations of meditation that it's unfair to say they're all wrong, just because you don't like 1.

>> No.10678338

>>10678122
>protoscience
Nice word to describe Buddhist methodology, I appreciate that.

And OP, the question is nonsensical. What do you even mean? Meditation is an activity. It is purported to achieve several kinds of aims. Individuals who perform it consistently do report these ends being felt by them. Empirical studies showcase a marked difference in the brains of meditators. And above all, why not simply attempt it yourself and see what you experience?

>> No.10678344

>>10678333
oh ok i guess i'll go kill myself then/

>> No.10678345

It works. It helps you recognize and overcome negative thoughts you don't control.

Like if you have social anxiety, with practice, you can reduce the severity and frequency of amygdala hijacks with meditation.

>> No.10678397

>>10678344
plz don't set yourself on fire

>> No.10678673

>>10678033
such as?

>> No.10678681

>>10678673
Bigger dicks