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[Anonymous No.10665382]

What is the evolutionary purpose of depression, self harm, and suicide?

[Anonymous No.10665395]

>>10665382
To weed out those who are too weak to reproduce/survive.

[chorizo rick No.10665415]

>>10665395
e.g.: retarded normies, gays,faggots, anime watching faggots, mlp watching faggots and more cringe bitches who think they're male meanwhile they're some retarded cunts acting like fucking females.

[Anonymous No.10665430]

>>10665382
What's the evolutionary purpose of cancer?

[Anonymous No.10665431]

>>10665382
those seem severe

[Anonymous No.10665437]

>>10665431
i would say it’s caused by thinking about 1 thought that causes sadness or other bad feelings and hopping from bad thought to bad thought and never being able to stop this process because it’s in your mind and it’s unavoidable or so it seems it’s overwhelming to the point where you come to a conclusion where nothing will ever evolve and you would be better off dead which is true in your mind remember there's nobody stopping you so you can go down this rabbit hole as long as you want until you try to die or succeed in dying from self inflicted injuries

[Anonymous No.10665445]

>>10665382
I assume that answers your question...

[Anonymous No.10665464]

[Anonymous No.10665470]

>>10665382
Evolutionary psychology is a pusedosciene 99% of the time

[Anonymous No.10665473]

>>10665382
You have the spark of the Divine in you and till you accept this your psychology will never make sense to you. Evolutionary thinking will not provide your answers

[Anonymous No.10665476]

>>10665470
t. creationist of the mind

[Anonymous No.10665480]

>>10665382
It's what happens when you are not part of a loving tribe, not engaging in activities with your tribe, not fulfilling your human needs. It's supposed to push you back into the food, but modern economic conditions have made it harder to fulfill the tribal need. So you feel this pull, but don't know what to do with it, you have no tribe to go to. It is a withdrawal symptom.

[Anonymous No.10665481]

>>10665476
They're both specialists of their environment and both beautiful in their own way.

[Anonymous No.10665483]

>>10665480
Fold*

[Anonymous No.10665487]

>>10665476
Evolutionary psychology by difanation can not explain pathology without convalued leaps

[Anonymous No.10665512]

>>10665480
seems to be right

[Anonymous No.10665519]

>>10665382
It is a pathological misinterpretation of your basic instinct telling you to get rid of some fundamental but flawed part of your being in order to move forward. The religious types call it sacrifice & transfiguration.

[Anonymous No.10665537]

skin evolved to be cut, that's why its skin, it protects the stuff below it

in our modern world where we're not tossling around in the thorns or engaging in combat we freak out and start cutting ourselves, otherwise our skin will become vestigial

[Anonymous No.10665551]

[Anonymous No.10665611]

>>10665382
It doesn't have an evolutionary purpose. The human mind has outpaced evolution. Humans currently exist in a state beyond natural selection.

[Anonymous No.10665661]

>>10665382
Quick tl;dr of one of the proposed reasons, from my Social Psych class years ago:
-It helps breed empathy and solidarity, and brings the community closer together...or something like that

[Anonymous No.10665665]

>>10665382
you avoid being bullied and scolded and killed if you dont act much

[Anonymous No.10665778]

>>10665481
Yes, but our environments are different. It's one thing to say that the Aboriginal is a specialist in tribal living and foraging thus they are beautiful in their own way (which could be argued as true), it's another to say, they are beautiful in their specialization to their environment so we shouldn't expect any societal reprocussions for trying to integrate them into ours. The same could be said for basically every other near indigenous population on Earth whether it be the portion of Sub-Saharan Africans that still are primarily doing tribal subsistence living, or indigenous Americans/Aztecs who are effectively semi-permanently settled peasants who never quite got to consistently sustainable agriculture.

[Anonymous No.10665826]

>>10665382
>Depression
To slow down information process and reshape the mind. Being active forces the body to get out of this situation but its not an easy task when you live in comfort of modern life.

>self-harm
Attention seeking behavior, born from attention deficient environment.

>suicide
Inability to cope with reality, questions the worth of individual contribution to the society. Possibly a part of herd/pack mentality.

[Anonymous No.10665828]

>evolutionary purpose
It's just people with broken minds, it's all in their heads.

[Anonymous No.10665851]

>>10665382
>What is the evolutionary purpose of gay people
Same answer,its literally in their genes to remove themselves from the gene pool.
They do all of us a favor.

[Anonymous No.10665860]

>>10665382
It serves no purpose, those with a high enough IQ can see that. Although, there are some mad men who simply cut themselves apart once or twice...for science.

[The Pencil Cunts No.10665881]

>>10665430
A delicious snack

[Anonymous No.10665886]

>>10665382

Life is inherently a bad thing. A bunch of organic matter clumping up together to the point of becoming sentient and constantly struggling against the environment, being pushed around by selective pressures, is not a beautiful miracle. It's a horrifying one.

The first animal that obtains the level of consciousness that humans has realizes this and decides to get off of this biological programming of "must survive and endure pressures".

That's where suicide comes from.

[Anonymous No.10665889]

>>10665886
I like you.

[Anonymous No.10665892]

>>10665430

Cancer cells are actually pretty well adapted. They basically refuse to die and just keep reproducing. Quite the apex predator in a way.

[Anonymous No.10665894]

>>10665892
THE CHAD CANCER CELL
vs
THE VIRGIN RED BLOOD CELL

[Northwestern University No.10665942]

>>10665382
Since when does EVERYTHING have an evolutionary purpose?

We have gotten to the point where somethings still exist despite serving no discernible purpose. They literally have 0 evolutionary purpose.

I reject this entire premise.

[Anonymous No.10665963]

>>10665942
*INHALES*
WHAT IS THE EVOLUTIONARY PURPOSE OF THE APPENDIX IN HUMANS TODAY?!

[Anonymous No.10665987]

>>10665963
intestine microflora reservoir.

[Anonymous No.10665989]

>>10665987
AaaaaaaaaaAAAAaaaaaaAAAaaaAAAAAaaAAAAAAAaaaAAAAAAAAAAAaaaAAAAAaaaAAAAAAAAaaaaAAAAAAAaaaAAAAAaaaaAAAaaaaAAAaaaAAAAaaAAAaaaAAaaaAAaaaAAaaaAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH

*violently explodes*

[Anonymous No.10666971]

>>10665382
the basic idea I heard is that suicide is favorable in the case when it has a net positive on your genes ie
1. You are unlikely to breed
2. You are a burden on genetic relatives

The largest contributions to the suicide rate are among low status males in their 20s, many of whom have no chance for a partner, and the elderly who are at or near the point of dying. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolutionary_approaches_to_depression

[Anonymous No.10666976]

There is a very big difference between suicide and self harm!

[Anonymous No.10666980]

>>10665480
tfw no tribe....

[Anonymous No.10666991]

>>10665886

Yes, I feel we would all be better of just as random bits of matter...like we started out as.

[Anonymous No.10666992]

>>10665382
>What is the evolutionary purpose of depression, self harm, and suicide?
People who ask these questions have it completely backwards. What you should be asking is "what would be the cost and benefit be of organisms having PERFECT behavior without ever doing anything harmful?" Obviously the cost would be much, much, much greater than the benefit. Evolution is whatever works well enough to exist and persist. It's never perfection. Perfection is a retarded waste of resources just to go from 99% to 100%.

[Anonymous No.10666996]

>>10665942
Two ways to interpret the term:

Either nothing has evolutionary purpose, because evolution is not an intentional or purposeful agent. Or everything has an evolutionary purpose, because evolution is an all-encompassing concept - if it gets passed on, it has achieved its purpose, and everything gets passed on until it doesn't.

[Anonymous No.10666998]

>>10665382
What is the evolutionary purpose of believing every damn thing has an evolutionary purpose?

[Anonymous No.10667002]

>>10665480
>>10665512
>>10666980
It's called family, stupid. Hunter gatherer tribes were made of extended family units, not random strangers. Lol @ all these robots thinking they're socially isolated because they think peers are more important than family.

[Anonymous No.10667013]

>>10666998
They don't understand the concept of working well enough and imagine evolution only ever results in magic processes that are 100% great for the organisms who participate in them and never harmful in any way.

[Anonymous No.10667014]

>>10665382
tribes were more successful with apes who want to die for their tribe. happy apes generally dont want to die

[Anonymous No.10667097]

>>10665382
To get you to interact and engage with your tribe members. If you're alone or ostracized you're way more likely to die so you better be liked and cared about. Suicide is an evolutionary glitch where people who get too ostracized can't handle it so they choose to end it rather then keep taking the punishment their brain dishes out.

[Anonymous No.10667270]

>>10665382
Attention, so someone will pity fuck them

[Anonymous No.10667448]

>>10665886
Load of non-sequiturs and unscientific gobbledygook.

[Anonymous No.10667461]

>>10665480
Agreed. In the zoo some animals engage in what appear to be OCD behaviors. In humans it's just called OCD/anxiety/depression/etc.

[Anonymous No.10667497]

>>10665382
>evolutionary purpose
Survive it to find out that it had none.

[Anonymous No.10667579]

>>10665437
So you've been there too huh

[Anonymous No.10668948]

>>10665476

those picture never use average looking people

always an young blond girl and an old lady

[Anonymous No.10668959]

>>10665480
this

dont Amish people prefer to stay with there people despite given the opportunity to leave and be apart of the rest world ?

[Anonymous No.10669004]

What's the evolutionary purpose of trying to frame everything in the context of evolutionary purposes without acknowledging the existence of things like whims?

[Anonymous No.10669064]

>>10665382
Ask yourself whats the evolutionary purpose of pain?

Its how you deal with it that the makes the difference.
Physical pain is more primal so were better at dealing with it.
Mental pain is more convoluted especially the human variant . Some of us are good or bad at mitigating our mental pain: some kill themselves and some rise above it.
>>10666998
>>10667013
>>10666992
>>10669004
This
but I would also say evolution shows trends of dropping useless traits, even though there not harmful.

[Anonymous No.10669065]

>>10669004
>without acknowledging the existence of things like whims
you think we do things randomly? there could be an evolutionary reason for that
>>10665480
I kinda agree. depression is what you should experience when things are desperate and you need to constantly be on edge

[Anonymous No.10670757]

>>10665382
It's just a side effect

[Anonymous No.10670809]

>>10665382
Humans are still adjusting to living in shitty boxes, becoming isolated from meaningful social interaction, and slaving away doing shit they hate for the majority of their lives. They evolved to live in the wild and hunt shit for about 20 hours a week while spending the rest of their time doing whatever the fuck they wanted.

[Anonymous No.10670839]

>>10665382
The evolutionary purpose of depression and self harm is to trick people into thinking you are cool and unique when you're a teenager in order to more easily get laid, thus increasing your ability to pass on your genes.

[Anonymous No.10670935]

It's not evolution per se.
It's a side effect of our huge brains and overcrowded society.