Why is schizophrenia so hard to treat?

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Anonymous Tue May 14 23:22:38 2019 No.10644639 [Reply] [Original]

Why is schizophrenia so hard to treat?

Anonymous Tue May 14 23:27:48 2019 No.10644648

A big problem is that the nature of illness itself makes the people with the disease not want treatment. They think the doctors are part of a conspiracy and that the pills are sinister.
For other diseases, people are usually willing and even enthusiastic to take medication if they think it will cure their problems. The most important part of treating almost anything is patient cooperation.

Anonymous Tue May 14 23:36:53 2019 No.10644658

>>10644648
I've stayed in boarding houses for about the last year, with many people with intractable schizophrenia, who are taking medications like risperidone, zyprexa, depakote, etc. these people are never gonna get better. its sad, it just makes me wonder why. I get what you're saying though. it do be like that

>>	Anonymous Wed May 15 00:43:38 2019 No.10644770 >>10644639 >Why is schizophrenia so hard to treat? Because it's not real, mental disorders are pseudoscientific /x/-tier nonsense

>>	Anonymous Wed May 15 00:52:02 2019 No.10644787 >>10644770 k, tell that to the actual brain chemistry differences that are observed in people with schizophrenia.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 15 01:07:33 2019 No.10644809 File: 168 KB, 480x640, wm.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Because a imaginary disease that shows up on brain chemicals is treated as physical illness.

Anonymous Wed May 15 01:25:13 2019 No.10644837

>>10644658
Because every body is different and even with one person their body can dramatically change to effect to effect the power of the meds. Not to mention the medications effect on the body with it's side effects. Medicating people is more an art then a science (not to say there is not science at all, there' s a ton!) because you are dealing with people and that adds a ton of variables in medicating.

Anonymous Wed May 15 01:29:18 2019 No.10644843

>>10644837
Like wow some of the side effects of the meds are basically
>hey, you wanna lose your left testicle or your right knee cap?
where you trade off for other bodily issues is heavy and many don't have a choice because the alternative is worse or going medication free.

Anonymous Wed May 15 01:32:01 2019 No.10644850 [DELETED]

>>10644639
Because psychiatry is pseudoscience and there is quite possibly no such a thing, as basically anything can be called schizophrenia. It's a wide assortment of diseases, from brain infections, untreated sleep disorders, nutrient deficiencies, or another kind of brain disease or damage, to people with autism who never got any help.

Anonymous Wed May 15 01:34:08 2019 No.10644854

>>10644639
Because psychiatry is pseudoscience and there is quite possibly no such a thing, as basically anything can be called schizophrenia. It's a wide assortment of diseases, from brain infections, untreated sleep disorders, nutrient deficiencies, brain damage, to people with autism who never got any help.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 15 01:46:20 2019 No.10644879 File: 2.66 MB, 3840x2400, 1531951242885.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10644770 my brother has schizophrenia, almost kills my mom, because he doesn't wanted to take the pills

Anonymous Wed May 15 01:49:55 2019 No.10644882

>>10644648
Pills, especially for psychiatric treatment, are usually some of the least effective ways to treat any disease, its usually lifestyle and dietary changes that are necessary for most physical disorders and modern doctors are so rigid and bureaucratic for the sake of litigation avoidance that they have become some of the least effective caregivers in history.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 15 01:50:53 2019 No.10644884 >>10644639 It's hard to properly re-wire a brain when you don't know to make one in the first place. The best option is a group of drugs that mostly just shut the brain off to prevent the wrong neurons from being used.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 15 03:33:06 2019 No.10645009 >>10644809 Based retard.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 15 03:54:34 2019 No.10645029 >>10644854 >calls psychiatry bs >but autism still exists somehow

>>	Anonymous Wed May 15 03:57:55 2019 No.10645035 >>10644648 >They think the doctors are part of a conspiracy and that the pills are sinister Well, they aren't wrong

>>	Anonymous Wed May 15 04:09:29 2019 No.10645044 >>10644648 this is the reason why psychiatry and psychology is a scam that should be abolished immediately somebody could literally just make up everything and be diagnosed with a mental illness and remain locked up forever

Anonymous Wed May 15 04:15:19 2019 No.10645053

>>10645029
To be fair, Autism is a psychology profile and psychology is simply the scientific labeling of behavior profiles.

Psychiatry is not the same as psychology, it is about defining psychological "disorders" and developing medicines for their "treatment".

>>	Anonymous Wed May 15 04:16:10 2019 No.10645054 >>10644639 Because it's not a real disease. "Treatment" with antipsychotics AKA major tranquilizers is more to help everyone else around the patient by chemically lobotomizing them so they're at least quiet.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 15 04:18:08 2019 No.10645058 >>10644882 fuck off back to eating onions on /fit/

>>	Anonymous Wed May 15 04:21:24 2019 No.10645060 >>10645058 Take your pills and come back when you have calmed down, cuck.

Anonymous Wed May 15 04:33:09 2019 No.10645073

>>10644648
Antipsychotics infortunately come with a host of side effects including mental fog, weight gain, fatigue, akithisia, and liver damage from prolongued heavy use. While the medication may be effective in suppressing some symptoms of schizophrenia, the side effects will prevent even the most motivated person from living any semblance of a normal productive life. At that point, you start to understand why some patients might not want to take the pills. Lots of discomfort for little improvement in the quality of life. Although psychiatry has historically (at least in practice) never been about helping the sick, but rather its focus has always been to make the sick as little of a nuisance as possible for his handlers.

Anonymous Wed May 15 05:21:13 2019 No.10645113

>>10645073
People don't take them because they never had e delusions others say they have. It's all the others who have a problem and misunderstand everything, as something in their brain has the opposite effect it should have. It starts by ten, when children start getting irony and other "adult" stuff and lose the ability to communicate with anybody who is not affected. If you think you can see or sense when people are lying to you, you have psychosis, as that is not possible.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 15 05:48:56 2019 No.10645148 >>10645054 >because it’s not a real disease Care to justify that? Not having an effective treatment doesn’t mean it isn’t a disease.

Anonymous Wed May 15 05:56:40 2019 No.10645151

>>10644648
schizo here

the meds are too side effect heavy for any us of to stay on them too long. compliance rates even with side effect light medications such as cholesterol or blood pressure meds aren't that high to begin with. it's no wonder schizos would rather walk down the street talking to themselves than stay on these meds.

if society had any real compassion they'd just euthanize us all en masse. instead we're kept alive so pharma companies can make money along with dozens of mental health care professionals.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 15 06:02:10 2019 No.10645157 >>10644658 This isn't star trek. We know almost nothing about the brain or how to treat severe mental illness. We do the best we can with the research and technology we have.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 15 06:03:11 2019 No.10645159 >>10644879 >that atrocious grammar You must be 18 to post here.

Anonymous Wed May 15 07:15:43 2019 No.10645238

>>10645148
Can you even cite an official government or medical association backed source that specifically calls it a disease rather than generalizing it as a disorder?

Not having an effective understanding of a disorder means it isn't a disease because a disease is defined as a disorder of a specific part of the body, not just general behavioral abnormalities.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 15 07:28:17 2019 No.10645250 why is truth so hard to comprehend? why is self-awareness so hard? why is meta-metacognition so hard? why is peace, calm and tranquility so diffiicult? mystery of the ages

>>	Anonymous Wed May 15 07:46:06 2019 No.10645272 Why is life hard?

>>	Anonymous Wed May 15 07:48:34 2019 No.10645277 >>10644639 Because its like autism and isn't something we should try to "treat" it's a trait that people should realize they have and roll with it.

Anonymous Wed May 15 07:51:53 2019 No.10645287

>>10644639
Not schizophrenic but have a collection of antipsychotics I'm supposed to have taken. When I did take it I was constantly tired and it gave me dense mind fog. I can understand why people don't want to take it, being unhinged is one thing but being in the passanger seat of a zombie body is another.

>>	Trashy the Incontinent Wed May 15 08:03:19 2019 No.10645317 File: 46 KB, 244x207, download (4).jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10644809 True reality.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 15 08:09:25 2019 No.10645334 Diagnosed with schizophrenia in 2016, now on only one actual med. It's not bad if you can control it and still enjoy yourself.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 15 08:16:25 2019 No.10645348 >>10644639 Every mental illness is hard to treat. Just look at the effect sizes, they're all moderate at best.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 15 09:16:32 2019 No.10645441 >>10644770 >Because it's not real, mental disorders are pseudoscientific /x/-tier nonsense ironically this post is exactly the thing it accuses

Anonymous Wed May 15 09:47:30 2019 No.10645492
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why not just let the mentally ill shoot heroin and do hard core drugs all day? seems the only way to alleviate their suffering. calming them down with opiates seems much better than loading them up with anti psychotics.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 15 09:51:45 2019 No.10645495 >>10644639 Why is a tree without roots so hard to plant?

>>	Anonymous Wed May 15 09:55:30 2019 No.10645499 >>10645492 because you can't patent heroin and then go public for billions of dollars

>>	Anonymous Wed May 15 09:56:04 2019 No.10645500 >>10645113 Based!

>>	Anonymous Wed May 15 10:16:20 2019 No.10645531 >>10645492 >lets just get them addicted to heroin and cocaine, not like there are any mental side effects

>>	Anonymous Wed May 15 10:24:24 2019 No.10645540 >>10645531 >worrying about people who already have scrambled brains scrambling their brains give me one (1) good reason a certified schizo shouldn't spend his last remaining days in a euphoric opiate induced haze

>>	Anonymous Wed May 15 10:44:42 2019 No.10645573 >>10645540 The dude you're replying to doesn't know the magic of opiates and thus is vehemently, adamantly against them and all other drugs. He's a straight edge pussy.

Anonymous Wed May 15 10:55:25 2019 No.10645587

>>10644639
Schizophrenia doesn't exist.
You can diagnose anyone a schizophrenia
>URSS political opponents
>Autists (in France for instance)
>/x/ posters on /sci/
>/pol/ conspirationnists

As long as mind reading is not invented, psychiatrists should kill themselves.
They are bad psychologists and bad medical doctors.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 15 10:59:12 2019 No.10645596 >>10645053 I like you post anon.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 15 11:07:17 2019 No.10645610 >>10645044 Ah yes, the field of psychiatry is bunk because some imbecile might fake a mental illness for years on end (which is way harder than you think). Just like how rehab is bunk because someone might fake an addiction.

Anonymous Wed May 15 11:23:15 2019 No.10645639

>>10645610
No, what happens is : a psychiatrist diagnoses that imbecile an "illness" and circlejerk with other psychiatrists talking about pharmacological, psychanalytical or some other kind of bullshit theories while ruining the "ill" person's health.

Anonymous Wed May 15 11:38:44 2019 No.10645665

>>10644639
it isn't APs are very effective, cooperation is the issue, most schizos have delusions and will avoid treatment or not even realize they're ill and even if you accept treatment APs get worse over time, after a few months you just feel like you're watching a movie if 'living' on meds just feels like watching a dull movie what's the point, the most helpful things I've found
>healthy sleep schedule
>exercise
>good diet
>social interaction

mental hospitals aren't fun but the best thing they teach you is order and routine - my doctors don't feel I need meds right now and I feel happy

>>	Anonymous Wed May 15 11:40:32 2019 No.10645668 >>10644882 >>>/bro/science

>>	Anonymous Wed May 15 11:42:49 2019 No.10645676 >>10645587 >/x/ posters on /sci/ >/pol/ conspirationists Gonna go out on a limb and say that plenty of them are genuinely schizophrenic.

Anonymous Wed May 15 11:45:58 2019 No.10645681 [DELETED]

>>10645287
>but being in the passanger seat of a zombie body is another.

You are "supposed to" be like that. Have you never noticed people talking about doing things on autopilot, or their brain doing stuff? This is what makes you neurotypical.

>>10645610
It is bunk because there is no real way to diagnose anything and the field as a whole has near 0 scientific basis.

Anonymous Wed May 15 11:47:20 2019 No.10645688

>>10645665
>after a few months you just feel like you're watching a movie if 'living' on meds just feels like watching a dull movie
>>10645287
>but being in the passanger seat of a zombie body is another.

You are "supposed to" be like that. Have you never noticed people talking about doing things on autopilot, or their brain doing stuff? This is what makes you neurotypical.

>>10645610
It is bunk because there is no real way to diagnose anything and the field as a whole has near 0 scientific basis.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 15 11:49:04 2019 No.10645692 >>10645688 >You are "supposed to" be like that. I honestly doubt this, how do normies live if this is true?

Anonymous Wed May 15 11:50:34 2019 No.10645698
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>>10645148
>Care to justify that?
Schizophrenia is not diagnosed through any physical findings. It's purely diagnosed on the basis of a psychiatrist's opinion of whether or not a patient displays enough of the behaviors in their checklist to count. Studies have been done to try to show relationships between that diagnosis and physical attributes of the brain, but none of this is used for actual diagnosis.
And in fact you couldn't use brain scans for actual diagnosis even if you wanted to because there isn't enough difference between the brain features associated with that diagnosis and the brain features associated with distinct other psychiatric diagnoses.
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/epdf/10.1002/hbm.23486
If it were genuinely a physically real disease of its own per the evidence provided by these brain scan studies, then you would, at an absolute minimum, be able to distinguish it from other psychiatric diagnoses through these brain scans. And in fact, you cannot make that distinction through brain scan. The findings meant to show evidence of a real physical condition fail the reverse inference test and nobody can use these findings as a basis for brain scan based diagnosis for that reason.

Anonymous Wed May 15 11:55:16 2019 No.10645713 [DELETED]

>>10645692
>>>10645688 (You)
>>You are "supposed to" be like that.
>I honestly doubt this, how do normies live if this is true?

They live watching their life going on autopilot most of the time. They actually find you very jarring if your behavior doesn't go on patterns, you greatly stand out anywhere you go as a person who is fully conscious and people are used to learn each other's patterns and not cae until something unusual pops out.

Anonymous Wed May 15 11:56:19 2019 No.10645717

>>10645692
>>You are "supposed to" be like that.
>I honestly doubt this, how do normies live if this is true?

They live watching their life going on autopilot most of the time. They actually find you very jarring if your behavior doesn't go on patterns, you greatly stand out anywhere you go as a person who is fully conscious as people are used to learn each other's patterns and not cae until something unusual pops out.

Anonymous Wed May 15 12:59:47 2019 No.10645861

>>10645277
>Implying there is no correlation between a person's ability to detoxify heavy metals and excitotoxins (as SNPs like MTHFR and COMT denote) and one's propensity for mental illness.
It is that way of thinking that inhibits the proper treatment of such disorders.
T. Cured "Schizophrenic" who is pursuing psychiatry.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 15 13:15:49 2019 No.10645891 >>10645334 can you describe your experience with the illness?

>>	Anonymous Wed May 15 13:23:10 2019 No.10645907 >>10645861 >detoxify heavy metals It would be cured by chelation if that was the case.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 15 13:25:17 2019 No.10645913 >>10645891 I don't know, can you?

Anonymous Wed May 15 13:48:39 2019 No.10645962

>>10645907
Not cured, since psychosis is usually rendered by multiple variables, but it significantly helps in specific instances. Oddly, it is not applied in treatment regimens, perhaps because there is no systematic chelation process developed for such a purpose.
Also, chelation would not fix the underlying methylation dysfunction (which can be attributed to high amounts of folic acid found within many processed foods, and cant be tolerated by those with the MTHFR SNP).
I am not reducing schizophrenia solely to these variables, but the treatment of these issues do seem effective.
I'm sorry I'm not posting citations, as I'm currently travelling. I will post the studies once I have time.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 15 14:03:26 2019 No.10645993 keto diets, the kind they put epileptics on, have also caused schizos to go into full remission meds free

>>	Anonymous Wed May 15 14:22:36 2019 No.10646020 >>10645499 the oxycontin ppl would like a word

>>	Anonymous Wed May 15 14:23:56 2019 No.10646025 >>10645676 they truly are, I was in a thread once where an /x/ poster was describing his delusions, and other posters were like nah brah that's just synchronicity its just god talking to you relax. they're all delusional

Anonymous Wed May 15 14:27:10 2019 No.10646033

>>10645698
ok but what mental disorder can you identify through brain scans alone? that sounds really sketch, I doubt there are any. and any way, the chemical differences are what cause schizophrenia, dopamine antagonists and shit I'm too stupid to fully comprehend. I doubt that shit shows up on a CT scan

>>	Anonymous Wed May 15 15:09:14 2019 No.10646105 >>10645698 wtf, I won't even read the paper of the retard who made that graph, how can you fuck up readability that much

>>	Anonymous Wed May 15 15:11:33 2019 No.10646111 >>10646033 >ok but what mental disorder can you identify through brain scans alone? None, that's the point. They aren't coherently defined physical diseases. They're opinions based on checkboxes.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 15 15:15:26 2019 No.10646116 >>10646105 What the fuck are you talking about? Also that's not some random retard. That failure to find diagnosis accuracy through reverse inference of MRIs was a pretty fucking major landmark study.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 15 15:23:59 2019 No.10646127 >>10645861 how did you cure your "schizophrenia"? what did you try/do?

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Anonymous Wed May 15 16:13:55 2019 No.10646214

>>10645272
it's easy. we make it hard for ourselves and others. we overcomplicate things. but life is pretty simple stuff, once you peel back the matrix.
some schizophrenia can by caused by double binds, which is other peoples behaviour often not consciously intentional.
philosimply not philosophistry..

>>	Anonymous Wed May 15 16:21:36 2019 No.10646234 >>10644882 truth. yeah, doctors are nearly useless. random story but once i was exploring an old abandoned mental hospital and broke open a cupboard to find a leaflet about nutrititon treating schizophrenia

Anonymous Wed May 15 20:47:56 2019 No.10646800

>>10644882
True, how the fuck can all these years spent studying by psychiatrists be so useless ?
They know only bullshit about mental health and they don't even care about more general health issues.
How the fuck can a medical doctor prefer to keep someone "healthy" but dying at 30 because he's overweight, has diabetes and cardiovascular issues, over "ill" but living 80+ years
If they genuinely believe what they "learned" and that they are helping their patients they are subhuman retarded piles of scum.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 15 21:05:58 2019 No.10646855 >>10645531 Side effects are withdrawn related. I take a powerfu!l opiate daily and my mom. And bro are schizo.I'd be too without opiates

>>	Anonymous Wed May 15 21:13:10 2019 No.10646867 >>10644639 The emergent processes of neurons are beyond our understanding, current treatment is having a non-shitty environment and trying drugs until they work.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 15 21:33:33 2019 No.10646912 >>10644770 Take your pills /pol/ friend.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 15 22:43:55 2019 No.10647099 File: 443 KB, 840x854, 1557116822807.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10645151 JFC that's a depressing and black pilled way of looking at it

>>	Anonymous Wed May 15 22:57:14 2019 No.10647161 >>10644639 Because no one knows wtf is going on when it comes to mental illness. It's not as clear cut as cancer, for example.

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>>	Anonymous Wed May 15 23:09:06 2019 No.10647205 >>10644639 Go to /X/ and see for yourself

>>	Anonymous Wed May 15 23:18:00 2019 No.10647229 >>10644639 Why is what so hard to treat?

>>	Anonymous Wed May 15 23:21:30 2019 No.10647241 >>10644648 You're forgetting to mention these drugs have notable side effects and have to be taken for life.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 15 23:23:39 2019 No.10647247 https://pastebin.com/0pTFVHPx

>>	Anonymous Wed May 15 23:44:10 2019 No.10647293 >>10647247 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IehtMYlOuIk

>>	Anonymous Wed May 15 23:49:48 2019 No.10647306 >>10647293 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YmHRldL21-4 would you rather be schizo or manic depressive?

>>	Anonymous Thu May 16 00:13:18 2019 No.10647348 >>10645151 >if society had any real compassion they'd just euthanize us all en masse. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UzjeBaBFWqw but seriously, at the time of aktion t4 how was euthanasia considered the LESS humane option?

>>	Anonymous Thu May 16 00:50:43 2019 No.10647402 >>10647247 Are you implying that cough syrup dosing is the best cure for Schizo behavior?

Anonymous Thu May 16 01:09:35 2019 No.10647432 [DELETED]

>>10644921
>>Basically, chloride and phosphate deplete sodium from the body. Table salt canot restore the balance, as the chloride excretion depletes as much sodium as the salt provides. This causes cravings and people keep eating. Holy shit they know it, that's why they switched to phosphoric acid, they make people overeat on purpose.

>Don't let the troll distract you from this, please.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 16 01:39:27 2019 No.10647496 >>10647306 Already am manic depressive. Currently I'm pretty depressed, contemplated killing myself for a couple hours today. Still, I would much rather be bipolar than schizophrenic. Schizophrenia has to be the scariest disorder fathomable.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 16 02:20:07 2019 No.10647532 >>10644639 We don't understand the brain well enough.

Anonymous Thu May 16 02:35:06 2019 No.10647556

>>10647247
taking an NMDA antagonist like DXM would serve to make NMDA receptor "hypofunction" more severe. Also antipsychotics don't target serotonin receptors (although some do act as antagonists of them such as clozapine), many antipsychotics are antagonists of dopamine receptors.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 16 05:25:35 2019 No.10647771 >>10645044 ...you know you don't get locked up anywhere anymore unless you put yourself/others in danger or try to take your own life, right?

>>	Anonymous Thu May 16 05:28:53 2019 No.10647776 >>10645499 Bayer disagrees

>>	Anonymous Thu May 16 05:29:55 2019 No.10647778 >>10645587 Uh-uh, have you take your medications today, anon?

Anonymous Thu May 16 05:33:48 2019 No.10647783
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>>10645698
You mean to say that before brain scans were invented any sort of neurological disease didn't exist too?
We just don't know yet what causes mental illness and how we can measure it objectively but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist, man

Anonymous Thu May 16 06:33:21 2019 No.10647860

>>10644648
I have a friend that has schizophrenia and he came to the conclusion that doctors are not trying to cure their patients since it's more profitable for them after 14 or so years of taking pills that apparently didn't work. Several psychiatrists were giving him stuff that never worked as they said, and in his visions, the side effects were worst than the schizophrenia itself. He developed sleeping problems and even some anxiety issues after changing the drugs, so... I'm not sure if the paranoia increases the difficulty of finding a proper treatment... It's probably the other way around

>>	Anonymous Thu May 16 06:56:45 2019 No.10647893 >>10644639 Dat jlaw tho

>>	Anonymous Thu May 16 07:25:17 2019 No.10647927 >>10646116 Sorry for making you mad, obviously he is not a retard and his research is probably good, the graph just is unreadable.

>>	darkwalt Thu May 16 07:29:52 2019 No.10647938 Schzophr. Can only be healed destructively or co-operation, and co-operation requires highly artistic medicating, like direct input in mind for to shake energy parasites.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 16 09:47:55 2019 No.10648156 >>10644639 Schizophrenics need to be humanely euthanized. That's no way to live.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 16 09:48:43 2019 No.10648160 >>10648156 Reap what you sow.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 16 09:49:34 2019 No.10648161 >>10644770 Everyone ignore this guy

>>	Anonymous Thu May 16 09:51:14 2019 No.10648164 >>10644882 t. hippie

Anonymous Thu May 16 13:52:10 2019 No.10648696

>>10644639
I'm no doktor, but if the nature of the illness is degenerative neural function, I'd imagine the cure would be functioning "limitless pills". And if we had that, and could readily administer it to these people, it would only end up being a high commodity for those who would abuse it for obvious reasons - making something out of Africa

>>	Anonymous Thu May 16 14:25:52 2019 No.10648762 >>10644648 Ummm but naturalnews said medicine is bad so it is okay? Have sex

>>	Anonymous Thu May 16 14:44:09 2019 No.10648783 People need friends and love, not pills. Read the new testament and praise Jesus!

Anonymous Thu May 16 14:56:03 2019 No.10648800

>>10647556
>Ctrlf
>Only 3 people mentioned the fact that the most effective antipsychotics target mainly dopaminine pathways of which their are 3 main ones(one for prolactin inhibitor, one for coordinated movement, and one for coordinated mentation). Not to mention the egregious side effect profiles even outside these 3 main pathways: decrease immune cells, metabolic derangements etc.
Not to mention it is such a stigmatized disease so many aee ashamed to admit they take medication for it or to let anyone get the slightest idea.
I gotta say, I'm disappointed/sci/

>>	Anonymous Thu May 16 15:50:41 2019 No.10648926 >>10645573 >dude don't be a coward give yourself brain damage lmao

>>	Anonymous Thu May 16 15:56:35 2019 No.10648938 >>10648696 >bro all we need to cure schizophrenia and Africans is fucking magic

>>	Anonymous Thu May 16 18:49:11 2019 No.10649374 >>10644639 Why is dissociative identity disorder so hard to treat?

Anonymous Fri May 17 02:27:22 2019 No.10650584

>>10644770

>undying paranoia
>cant hold a job bc of constant, terrifying, and uncontrollable thoughts
>take a sleu of meds to help but all they do is make you stupid, lazy, tired, or some combo of all three.
>currently taking Lithium, the strongest psych med available
>isnt a real disorder

t.schizo

>>	Anonymous Fri May 17 02:29:28 2019 No.10650589 >>10645035 schizo detected

>>	Anonymous Fri May 17 04:06:32 2019 No.10650759 >>10644639 because it doesn't exist

>>	Anonymous Fri May 17 04:08:30 2019 No.10650762 >>10644770 >>10644809 .t retards

>>	Anonymous Fri May 17 04:09:31 2019 No.10650766 >>10644879 Based gibberish poster >>10645035 .t retard

>>	Anonymous Fri May 17 04:31:39 2019 No.10650808 >>10648800 based

>>	Anonymous Fri May 17 04:33:07 2019 No.10650810 >>10648783 They need both

Anonymous Fri May 17 04:33:42 2019 No.10650812

>>10644770
this,

also add that 'mental illnesses' are extremely convenient methods of social control applied to those that are not 'with the program' the elites want to impose from top-down...

check soviet history, it's all be done before and perfected later in america.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 17 04:34:42 2019 No.10650817 read your thomas szasz brainlets

>>	Anonymous Fri May 17 04:39:12 2019 No.10650826 >>10644658 lol why won't they get better? step back and look around, it's because they're taking these fucked up pills created by for-profit corporations, what the fuck is a risperidone yprexa depakakakaktoteke, are you fucking stupid?

>>	Anonymous Fri May 17 04:40:19 2019 No.10650829 >>10650810 first part, yes. friends and love, i can take the new testament or leave it.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 17 04:41:20 2019 No.10650831 >>10650589 yea right. i wonder how for thousands upon thousands of years humans got by without all these chemicals...i think just fine. in fact, things have never been uglier for man since corporate chemicals entered the food chain.

Anonymous Fri May 17 04:44:44 2019 No.10650835
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I'm going to throw in my two cents a police officer, mental health/ crisis professional, and aspiring psychiatrist. The majority of you people have never spoken to or one on one had a conversation with someone suffering from Schizophrenia. You likely have never had to directly deal with someone experiencing severe psychosis or excited delirium. To say that these people are not suffering from quantifiable mental illnesses is heartlessness and extremely ignorant. To even postulate that you know how to help these people when you have never actually tried, is just foolish. Schizophrenia is real. People that experience are real and they need real help and there is nothing wrong with that. We all have biological deficits somewhere.

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>>	Anonymous Fri May 17 04:53:10 2019 No.10650851 >>10650826 this comment made me laugh

>>	Anonymous Fri May 17 04:53:30 2019 No.10650854 >>10650835 add 'complete fucking moron' to that list read your thomas szasz and learn something

Anonymous Fri May 17 04:57:43 2019 No.10650860

>>10650835
shit's not real bud. read thomas szasz.

there is no such thing as a mental illness, you cannot take a brain scan and point to a mental illness.

there are only behaviors that fall out of the mainstream, but they are not illnesses.

before for-profit corps started peddling a-new-chemical-a-day, most of the things you call 'illnesses' were what we call 'self-limiting', i.e., they resolved on their own after some time.

and illness or a disease is something you can observe under a microscope, so to speak. it's something you can see.

mental illness is just what you throw on someone that, more or less, doesn't drink beer on sundays and watch [insert retarded netflix show here] in binge sessions. you get the idea.

good on you for being a police officer, now save yourself and your life, and don't go into the psuedo science of psychiatry.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 17 04:59:03 2019 No.10650863 >>10650835 and no, we don't all have biological deficits. we're all born just fine, except for edge cases of extreme physical deformities and things like down syndrome, etc., stop thinking so low of yourself and your fellow man.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 17 05:09:35 2019 No.10650870 >>10650835 have you ever talked to a gypsy, a roma? they're different totally from what we consider normal. are they all schizophrenics or just a group of people with different norms and customs?

Anonymous Fri May 17 05:09:38 2019 No.10650871

>>10650860
Are you saying consciousness is also not real because you can't see it on an MRI?
>>10650863
You haven't had to fight and experience the worst of humanity. I think there is a serious lack of education when it comes to mental illness.
I agree that we have ancient minds that were not made for the modern world in which we live in. That being said, mental disorders are ancient as well and have been documented for thousands of years. They are as real as cancer and diabetes.

Anonymous Fri May 17 05:13:12 2019 No.10650875

>>10650871
people that behave differently than the norm simply behave differently than the norm.

there is no such thing as a mental illness.

pick a person that you think acts in a weird way, now if that person is never medicated with crazy psychotropic drugs, he or she will eventually return to the norm. if you start medicating him or her with crazy fucking chemicals produced by GIANT for-profit corporations, he's going to shoot up a school.

in fact, show me a case of a mass shooter that was stone cold sober and not under the influence of psychotropic drugs. you can't find one.

Anonymous Fri May 17 05:14:05 2019 No.10650878

>>10650870
Of course not. But someone who sees shadow people at the foot of their bed in the morning and in the corners of the rooms throughout the day doesn't have "different customs." Someone who sits in one place and defecates on themselves all day despite being able to carry on a conversation isn't practicing a tradition.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 17 05:14:45 2019 No.10650880 >>10650871 that fucking worst of humanity you're talking about is fucked up on one substance or another. guaranteed.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 17 05:15:41 2019 No.10650881 >>10650875 Open wide for the spoon. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moncton_shooting

Anonymous Fri May 17 05:15:57 2019 No.10650883

>>10650878
ok i mean, i don't know who this fictional person is. i can make up some fictional person that does X and Y. this doesn't prove the existence of mental illness. and if that person exists, tell me their history of either legal or illegal drug use.

Anonymous Fri May 17 05:19:30 2019 No.10650884

>>10650880
>>10650875

I know a homeless man who loiters near restraunts where people will bring him food. He sits down until someone tells him he has to move or he will go to jail. He does not get up to use the bathroom, he does not use drugs, he does not get up to eat. His clothes are rotting off of his body. I once bought him a new pair of pants and he thanked me. I went back a few days later to check on him and he just had the same rotting pair of pants on. John can have a complete and coherent conversation with you. You can explain to him that he will eventually die of exposure and he will agree with you. He states he wants help yet will not accept it even if you carry him to it. He simply sits, eats, and shits. He isn't going to just return to the fucking norm.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 17 05:20:13 2019 No.10650888 >>10645492 I am mentally ill and i have to say that benzos and heroin work MUCH better than any pills the doctors ever gave me. This dude is on to something.

Anonymous Fri May 17 05:22:01 2019 No.10650890

>>10650881
Quick google of his name and drugs reveals this, among other things:

"The Star reported that Bourque frequently used marijuana and had recently started taking harder drugs, such as heroin. He also bought a new shotgun in April, which he was proud about."

That's just one sign of substance abuse, who knows what this kid was on. I also wonder how many of these cases we have where psychiatric drug use is not mentioned because psychotropic drugs prescribed by a 'doctor' are assumed to be safe.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 17 05:23:34 2019 No.10650891 >>10650884 ok, and? that's his choice, he probably doesn't need or want a lot, doesn't have ambition and is perfectly happy living like that. it doesn't mean his brain has a mental illness.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 17 05:26:49 2019 No.10650895 >>10650891 doesn't sound like the worst of humanity to me, sounds like a loser i wouldn't wanna be friends with, but not 'the worst of humanity', i think just 'humanity' is fine.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 17 05:29:28 2019 No.10650898 Some more: " Some friends feared that Bourque, a regular pot smoker, had turned to much harder substances, fuelling his paranoia."

Anonymous Fri May 17 05:32:38 2019 No.10650904

>>10650890
https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2014/06/05/justin_bourque_wanted_to_go_out_with_a_bang_report.html

Weak sources. How about an arrest for possession? Or a blood test? Something stronger than "some friend's" testimonial conjecture and fears.

He's another https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Texas_tower_shooting
No drug use.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 17 05:32:47 2019 No.10650905 >>10650888 you're not mentally "ill", you need to stop doing drugs and accept that you're not happy with your life for whatever reason and just be sober and fix it.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 17 05:35:44 2019 No.10650908 >>10650904 google "charles whitman psychiatrist" the insidious influence of psychiatry is there.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 17 05:36:55 2019 No.10650909 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Ysidro_McDonald%27s_massacre Autopsy results revealed there were no drugs or alcohol in his system at the time of the killings.

Anonymous Fri May 17 05:44:13 2019 No.10650914

>>10650909
>show me a case of a mass shooter that was stone cold sober and not under the influence of psychotropic drugs. you can't find one.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binghamton_shootings#Perpetrator

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orlando_nightclub_shooting#Perpetrator

No alcohol or illegal drugs were detected in his system.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 17 05:45:34 2019 No.10650917 >>10650835 Only non-retarded post in the thread so far.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 17 05:50:02 2019 No.10650922 >>10650914 ok this devolved a little bit. i still don't think any of these people had mental illnesses or diseases.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 17 06:02:32 2019 No.10650940 >>10645698 Can we map brains neuron by neuron, with all connections?

>>	Anonymous Fri May 17 06:45:21 2019 No.10650993 >>10650851 >implying you have a mouth

>>	Anonymous Fri May 17 07:05:08 2019 No.10651016 >>10644639 Becuase it is a catch all for 100+ different brain problems

Anonymous Fri May 17 08:34:57 2019 No.10651131

>>10644639
This isn't to say I think schizophrenia doesn't exist as a discrete neurological condition. What follows is a VERY simplified gist.

Think of it like this: Given the complexity of the brain, is it possible that radically different causative variations in neurochemistry can result in the same set of symptoms to a human checking behavioral symptoms? This is why psychiatry will be in it's infancy forever unless rebuilt from the ground up.

There could be dozens of mechanically different origins behind a set of output behaviors. Can you treat 5 totally different mechanical flaws with the same mechanism? Of course not. If you tried, treatment would obviously suck. Hmm.

That's before you get to how the deeply subjective nature of psychiatric diagnosis in turn taints genetic studies of diagnosed populations. There are presumably people diagnosed who don't have schizophrenia, but some other condition that led to their diagnosis. So any attempt to add these data points to determine a genetic commonality is likely to get a long line of ridiculous results.

Sure you can speak of statistical averaging, but that won't give a single cause of behavior. You'd instead get multiple divergent origins and an academic fight over which one is the "actual" schizophrenia.

Is schizophrenia real? Yes. Can we really get anywhere further on treatment under the current limitations and restrictions. Probably not anytime soon.

For diagnosed anons:
Is this an excuse not to take your medicine? No, not really. If you are smart enough to understand any of this, go convince your doctor that you are an idiopathic case and would like to suck down very low dosage placebos to reduce side effect profiles.

Here is the painful part. If you can't convince a guy in a labcoat that you are sane then you probably aren't. None of this means it is due to schizophrenia, but something is off. Sorry.

Anonymous Fri May 17 08:36:32 2019 No.10651134

>>10645698
>And in fact you couldn't use brain scans for actual diagnosis even if you wanted to because there isn't enough difference between the brain features associated with that diagnosis and the brain features associated with distinct other psychiatric diagnoses.
are you sure? i remember hearing something about bipolar sufferers having decreased amounts of white matter in certain parts of the brain and schizos having an even more severe case of said decreased white matter

>>	Anonymous Fri May 17 08:39:35 2019 No.10651140 >>10651131 >Is this an excuse not to take your medicine? No, not really. I have a psychotic disorder. I am going to be honest with you I'd rather be dead than adhere to my regimen of anti psychotic meds. believe me I've tried. I just can't do it.

Anonymous Fri May 17 09:37:36 2019 No.10651238

>>10651140
Let me ask you a few things if you don't mind, anon. Some simple answers to these might help establish some context. Do you have a family history of psychiatric disorders? Was there a clear precipitating event before your first outbreak? At what age did your first outbreak occur? Keep the answers simple.

Anonymous Fri May 17 09:51:10 2019 No.10651270

>>10651238
>Do you have a family history of psychiatric disorders?
i have a cousin that is diagnosed schizophrenic. but he got diagnosed late in life (late 20s) and did a Herculean amount of drugs because he got mixed up in the club kids scene of the late 90s. other than that there is no clear family history. I've heard my grandpa was raised in an orphanage because his father died in a house fire after his wife died in childbirth. so there was probably some kind of mental illness there. my father has a pretty bad temper but nothing certifiable.
>Was there a clear precipitating event before your first outbreak?
just general life stress. happened in my senior year of high school. started a new job at a fancy restaurant as a waiter. also had college to worry about. and just general high school senior stress.
>At what age did your first outbreak occur?
one month after my 18th birthday
>Keep the answers simple.
i tried my best

>>	Anonymous Fri May 17 09:58:42 2019 No.10651290 because you can sell a pill to somebody that figures out heaven and hell are on Earth

Anonymous Fri May 17 10:26:03 2019 No.10651325

>>10651270
Okay, here we go.

Your family history will likely be seen as indicative of a genetic cause. The lack of a clear precipitating event reduces the chances of an idiopathic diagnosis (i.e some occurrence induced the symptoms rather than them be derived from genetics). The early onset in combination with a clear precipitating event(s) would have been a shoe-in for an idiopathic diagnosis otherwise. You can try and "swing" it that way. Life changes such as you described are stressful enough to count.

I've a suggestion. Try and talk to your psychiatrist about easing your dosage down a step while bringing a family member who'll report on your behavior. If you can avoid any peculiar or outrageous behavior during that period then you'll be seen as: A. stable on the reduced dosage, or B. stable enough on your current dosage that it's a small risk to lower your dosage.

Stay cool, even if the psychiatrist wants to wait a bit before trying. Level with him/her about how the medication is interfering with your daily functioning at the current dose.

That is the major things to look for from their perspective is:
1) Side effect interference with your daily life is reduced
2) Your pathology (set of symptoms you exhibit) is reduced.

That's the actual point, keep that in mind.

This process will happen slowly. From the outside it might look like the doctor just halted in stepping you down to the next lower dosage for no reason. Just stay calm and behave.

This is not to screw with you, but to reduce the side effect profile while changing dosages.

This isn't tricking your psychiatrist, they're aware of the side effect profiles of (I'm presuming) SSRIs. Most would prefer not to "chemically lobotomize" you with high dosages you if you are compliant enough at following a regimen.

This is a SLOW process, but you can theoretically achieve it. If your doctor isn't willing to try this out, then get a consult with another. Hopefully that's clear enough, I've gotta go eat.

Anonymous Fri May 17 10:30:09 2019 No.10651334

>>10651325
thanks for the advice anon but this isn't my first rodeo, I stopped taking my antipsychotics three years ago cold turkey. my psychiatrist at the time absolutely did not want to entertain the idea of me ceasing antipsychotics so I just decided to quit on my own.

I'll probably end up in the mental hospital again. I always end up going back within five years of ceasing my antipsychotic intake. still though. a few years of relative normalcy bookended by psychotic breaks is better than 5 years plus of an anti psychotic zombified haze.

Anonymous Fri May 17 10:38:17 2019 No.10651346 [DELETED]

I imagined autism like being stuck on a mountain you can't climb down from and schitz being like stuck in a cavern you can't climb up from. or quicksand.

like a black hole in your mind that anyone can fall into.

I remember posting here when I was at my worst and screamed schitz when I wrote about my struggles.

turns out was massive brain injury caused by stroke.

>>10651290
>because you can sell a pill to somebody that figures out heaven and hell are on Earth
lol
>>10651131
>There could be dozens of mechanically different origins behind a set of output behaviors.
this. lucrative doc see an vulnerability and exploit it. not much different from a police officer seeing a person disturbing the peace and sending them to prison

>>	Anonymous Fri May 17 10:45:13 2019 No.10651358 >>10647783 That anon's saying is far from "before newton gravity doesn't exist" fallacy. It is more close to "let's increase the power of telescope, theory doesn't lie, there must be vulcan in here"

>>	Anonymous Fri May 17 13:20:43 2019 No.10651741 >>10650914 orlando was a fucking arab islamist, i'll cave on this, islam IS the only mental illness that exists.

Anonymous Fri May 17 13:48:05 2019 No.10651837

>>10644639

I think "schizophrenia" is caused by hostility, not affinity, to synchronicity and serendipity. Stupid statements cautioning against one's own Self like "rednecks hate science" or "Ted Bundy only cared about himself" can prompt neurotic people to infer Dualism between themselves and the Phenomenal world, to think of the world as their polar opposite demanding they renounce themselves, and to do so lest they become monsters. Such that when their synchronicity and serendipity tell them otherwise, they despair at the dissonance and throw themselves into this Epistemology hoping to find terror and delirium in order to humiliate it.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 17 13:50:32 2019 No.10651846 >>10651837 Take your meds psycho.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 17 13:52:06 2019 No.10651856 >>10651837 breh we simply have defective brain chemistry on the molecular level JUST KILL US ALL ALREADY PLZ

Anonymous Fri May 17 14:10:40 2019 No.10651913

>have to take lithium to keep my manic depression away
>psychiatrists have even less of an idea of how and why it actually works to keep my symptoms at bay than how antipsychotics are supposed work
>it literally just works if antipsychotics are a protoscience lithium treatments are basically alchemy
just fuck my shit up. the demiurge is real

>>	Anonymous Fri May 17 14:49:08 2019 No.10651973 >>10650812 >>10644770 /sci/ ladies and gentlemen, the """science""" board

Anonymous Fri May 17 15:22:58 2019 No.10652037 [DELETED]

>>10651837
agreed. people are actually meant to be aggressive. you see it all the time if you keep your eyes open. you can define people based on how they react to their environment and other living organisms. all a person is is a series of reactions. they reactive in a defective manner and we put a silly label on them.

I think aggression is the key word. their brain seems to go haywire when they get anxious about a threat and they take a dive into their subconscious and get lost in it.

I thought films like beautiful mind and me myself and irene,. were interesting. jim carey's character just seemed like an anxious bitch and it seemed to take a toll on his mental health.

I guess i learned we're meant to love and be in love.

and also meant to kill each other as well. it's certainly is a crazy world we live in.

also learned to have tremendous appreciation for human suffering. everyone you pass on the street has been living a hard life.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 17 15:23:59 2019 No.10652039 >>10652037 also. people are fragile and they can break very easily

>>	Anonymous Fri May 17 16:29:57 2019 No.10652236 >>10651741 Well we can agree on one thing lol.

Anonymous Fri May 17 16:31:51 2019 No.10652238

>>10651856
I'm the cop from earlier. I agree with the chemisty theory. I don't want you to die but I also don't think we have effective methods to make you the best you. In time that will change I hope. I want to be part of that change and I'm sorry if any police has given you or anyone else with this illness a hard time. The majority simply do not understand and are ignorant and afraid of you.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 17 16:33:22 2019 No.10652242 File: 19 KB, 200x200, cigarette.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10651973 Uneducated edgelords.

Anonymous Fri May 17 16:39:08 2019 No.10652259
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>>10651334
how accurate is beautiful mind? It seems the human brain is a computer. a pattern matching machine. but it's obvious we're meant to love and be in love.

not to discover all the secret of the universe.

Anonymous Fri May 17 16:54:19 2019 No.10652293
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>>10652259
It is accurate for someone who is a genuis like John Nash in that the hallucinations he experienced represented themselves as real people in his mind. In reality the vast majority of Schizophrenics that I have interviewed stated they see shadow figures, orbs of light, experience paranoia about a greater conspiracy surrounding themselves, and hear voices that tell them varying thing. Some auditory hallucinations vary from a voice telling them to kill to mundane narrations of life. Positive symptoms are more dramatic. The negative symptoms tend to have a more profound effect on their ability to socialize and lead a healthy lifestyle. Such as depression, social isolation, poor hygiene, and lack of emotion. Someone experiencing a lot of positive symptoms can generally function albiet they are distracted and they also suffer stigma.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 17 23:23:41 2019 No.10653169 >>10645151 Am I a schizo? I asked my cat to make me a better pianist and composer because I think she could grant wishes.

Anonymous Sat May 18 01:58:03 2019 No.10653449

Havn't read this thread.

Simple and accurate answer is we barely know how any of these psychological illness actually manifest in the brain. ADHD, PTSD, MDD, BPD, Schizophrenia. All of them On a scale of knowing how they manifest we are about a 2 out of 10.

If you don't know how it manifests in the brain, you can't solve it.

Anonymous Sat May 18 02:02:14 2019 No.10653460

>>10644639
I see my hallucinations as recurring characters and they sometimes 'substitute' as my internal mindvoice.
>For example if I'm solving 504/9, a hallucination would tell me '56' instead of me calculating it in my head.
What the fuck do I have?

>>	Anonymous Sat May 18 02:12:24 2019 No.10653482 >>10650589 How can you believe our medical system is fair and just without any bias? Despite the medical damage circumcision does to the mind and body, hospitals are medical papers are not willing to accept it because it hurts their income.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 18 02:14:23 2019 No.10653485 >>10651131 >If you can't convince a guy in a labcoat that you are sane then you probably aren't true, while >If you can convince a guy in a labcoat that you are insane then you probably are false

>>	Anonymous Sat May 18 03:17:04 2019 No.10653568 >>10653169 If that actually sounds like a logical thing to do in your head, you might be schizophrenic

Anonymous Sat May 18 03:50:25 2019 No.10653628

>>10653485
>>If you can't convince a guy in a labcoat that you are sane then you probably aren't

Once somebody suspects you're insane, the chance of proving them otherwise is probably near zero. Neurotypical people never review their decisions once they evaluate something; only autsists, certain types of schizos and young children can do that.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 18 04:07:59 2019 No.10653647 >>10644639 because nobody cares

>>	Anonymous Sat May 18 04:09:22 2019 No.10653649 >>10644639 Brain is hard to fix

>>	Anonymous Sat May 18 13:40:57 2019 No.10654447 >>10650860 >it's something you can see. ..like behaviour then? why do you think people act in certain ways

>>	Anonymous Sat May 18 13:43:29 2019 No.10654453 >>10644648 >A big problem is that the nature of illness itself makes the people with the disease not want treatment Schizophrenia cannot be fully suppressed with just pills. Incorrect answer.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 18 13:47:49 2019 No.10654467 >>10645277 >and roll with it. Fuck you, you don't know how crippling even situational autism or mild autism is. It definitely needs research to develop ANYTHING that can help a little. Unfortunately it's not affected by deep brain stimulation.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 18 13:50:16 2019 No.10654476 >>10646033 >ok but what mental disorder can you identify through brain scans alone? If a part of the brain is damaged, smaller, or has a tumor, that's a big hint.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 18 13:51:55 2019 No.10654480 >>10647099 Unfortunately that's true. t. severly limited in life by autism.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 18 13:55:15 2019 No.10654492 >>10650860 >i.e., they resolved on their own after some time. Schizophrenia, autism, don't resolve on your own, you complete brainlet.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 18 13:57:23 2019 No.10654497 >>10650891 >that's his choice It isn't. It's crippling apathy caused by dissociation. It's extremely sad that a small part of his logical brain is still working.

Anonymous Sat May 18 14:03:17 2019 No.10654523

There is no real motivation for functional people to give a shit about mentally ill / impaired people in any way. People have a lot less empathy than they believe they have.
It works on a personal level level and a societal level. All normies want to do is pay lower taxes and interact with other normies.
Everyone is secretly glad if you're not one of them and you kill yourself, it gives them mild cognitive dissonance if they see you're in pain/homeless/mental breakdown, and no one wants to pay the taxes for a proper support system.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 18 14:28:20 2019 No.10654594 >>10650993 this comment made me laugh

Anonymous Sat May 18 19:13:44 2019 No.10655182

i am a person with schizophrenia. i am on disability. i take medication so i can keep getting disability payments. if i stop getting payments i will probably stop taking the medication. i don't like the medication and have functioned for a while without it but i don't care that much about how well i function. anhedonia and mental fog are some side effects that i experience. i think i should be paid money to live, because living requires spending money. you can search for "basic income". i think basic income will be implemented in the us in 10-20 years so at that time i may or may not stop taking medication. who knows

>>	Anonymous Sun May 19 11:49:03 2019 No.10656724 >>10645151 very bleak view on life you got there.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 19 12:36:47 2019 No.10656760 People gotta realise Schizophrenia is a wide range of illnesses. Like you have Type 1 and Type 2 Schiz.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 19 12:46:32 2019 No.10656779 >>10656760 >wide >2

Anonymous Sun May 19 12:50:55 2019 No.10656792

>>10656779
Yes and within each types, it's varied. And you can often get cross overs between the types. It's a lot more complicated. Half the reason we know that Schiz is related to Dopamine is because people who take cocaine (and boost up Dopamine levels) have Schiz like effects. We really know nothing about Schiz, what happens, why it happens and how to treat it. We only treat symptoms, and long term its ineffective.

Anonymous Sun May 19 12:51:50 2019 No.10656796

>>10650860
How is it possible to be so misinformed and so confident at the same time. I'll never understand why so many people on /sci/ stay /x/-tier about a few topics.

> you cannot take a brain scan and point to a mental illness.
You can.

> there are only behaviors that fall out of the mainstream, but they are not illnesses.
Hallucinations and delusions aren't behaviors.

>they resolved on their own after some time.
Several mental illnesses never resolve on their own. Schizophrenia particularly. They can only be stabilized. With drugs often.

>and illness or a disease is something you can observe under a microscope
You don't observe hypertension under a microscope, you see it happening, same with a schizophrenic or depressed brain under MRI.

Yes antipsychotics are not perfect and have awful side effects and yes mental illnesses are hard to understand and not well classified but the particular combination of symptoms we call schizophrenia is a real medical condition and antipsychotics work, antidepressants and mood stabilizers too, you'd only need to work with mentally ill people for like a month to see it with your own eyes.

Anonymous Sun May 19 12:53:32 2019 No.10656803

>>10644639

Targeting the specific parts of the brain where structural abnormalities are occuring. Current drugs hit the receptors all over the brain causing lots of unwanted side effects. THis leads to patients not wanting to take meds. Main side effects that people hate are sexual dysfunction, zombification, twitches, etc.

Similar problems with medicating for chronic pain, anxiety, so on.

>>	Paja !!9My0cgAwLAB Sun May 19 13:06:41 2019 No.10656821 >>10656796 The problem is that schizophrenia often gets misdiagnosed in people with autism or epilepsy, and antipsychotics make those worse.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 19 13:14:26 2019 No.10656846 >mfw there are people in this thread who actually deny the validity of schizophrenia and mental illnesses I've really overestimated the intelligence of people on /sci/

Anonymous Sun May 19 13:28:00 2019 No.10656864

>>10656846
How is mental illness even real like nigga just ignore voices and focus on something else other than horrors of your mind. People who have mental illness are people with lots of time in hand. Commies treated insanity with lots of physical work. Sucessfuly.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 19 15:35:21 2019 No.10657130 >>10656864 you sound like a nazi. "arbeit macht frei" or whatever.

Anonymous Sun May 19 17:31:40 2019 No.10657475

>>10656864
that's just idiotic, if you had a voice in your head screaming at you constantly it will inevitably take a toll on you. Ignoring a guy screaming "You're worthless dogshit" and random things that you don't understand at random times would be hard to ignore in all circumstances. Not to mention the delusions, anhedonia, alogia, and problems with working memory that schizophrenics have.

Dumbass

>>	Anonymous Sun May 19 17:38:02 2019 No.10657497 >>10656864 I have extreme Generalised Anxiety Disorder, and I can't just ignore the voices. There's literally a second human inside my brain telling me to worry about everything etc.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 19 18:27:27 2019 No.10657607 >>10656760 Type 2 is bollocks t. misdiagnosed autist

>>	Anonymous Mon May 20 03:26:29 2019 No.10658462 >>10644882 shoutout to our modern school systems. foolish cowards have taken the reigns.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 20 03:28:47 2019 No.10658465 >>10650860 take your fucking brain scan and point to the "consciousness".

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>>	Anonymous Mon May 20 06:53:08 2019 No.10658654 File: 18 KB, 236x294, 65675.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Literally the cure is a clean week long water fast. Y'all so behind on the times, allowing big pharma to get richer. Thought /sci/ was like 300IQ.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 20 06:56:23 2019 No.10658658 >>10658654 I heard shooting air into your vein helps more oxygen get to your brain, which also lowers schizophrenic symptoms. It's also good for headaches.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 20 06:59:55 2019 No.10658665 File: 383 KB, 850x760, auto345345.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10658658 Let me guess... You haven't herd the latest news on mTor / autophagy... The body literally can heal itself. All it takes is a little willpower.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 20 07:01:50 2019 No.10658669 >>10658654 Most psychiatrist wouldn't notice even the most basic stuff like electrolyte imbalances, so it might actually "cure" it.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 20 10:19:42 2019 No.10658890 >>10644639 I think schizophrenia is not an illness but rather a compilation of certain symptoms.

Anonymous Mon May 20 11:36:31 2019 No.10659018
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>>10644639
Because psychiatry and pharmacology is run by the intelligence community (ARTICHOKE/MKOFTEN/MKCHICKWIT etc) and withholds knowledge because democratizing the harnessing of the human brain and putting everyone on a level playing field would be the end of them.

Psychiatry and neurology is basically nerfed at pop science and pharmaceutical companies have no interest in actually finding concrete information. Antidepressants are akin to trepanning with birdshot and hoping for the best.

It's probably something to do with the immune system attacking the brain with inflammation. Instead of being le rational skeptic and repeating rotelearned spiel go read about the history of pharma companies and their involvement in developing incapitation agents for war and suppression of domestic dissent. Since '47 the primary purpose of clinical trials of psychiatric drugs is to create incapacitation agents with therapeutic market use just being the scraps left over. 99% of the money was put towards trying to first strike Soviet strategic rocket forces so they couldn't launch with plausibly deniable psychoactives. Shrink drugs are in the stone age because the IC keep them that way.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 20 15:06:30 2019 No.10659531 >>10653460 Relatable.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 20 16:03:46 2019 No.10659637 >>10644639 There’s no known biological cause. Is it any surprising that all the “treatments” are memes? How could you possibly treat something if you don’t actually know what it is

>>	Lightest Women's Champion Mon May 20 16:05:25 2019 No.10659645 >>10644639 Because t can manifest itself in many different ways and nobody wants to admit they are schizophrenic. So it could be too late by the time the patient is diagnosed.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 20 16:06:51 2019 No.10659647 >>10644770 This is absolutely correct, but there is such tremendous institutional bias against it that we will need to wait about fifty years before the medical community acknowledges their error

>>	Anonymous Mon May 20 16:08:16 2019 No.10659650 >>10644787 Chemical imbalances are an advertising meme, stop pretending you understand neuroscience

>>	Anonymous Mon May 20 18:18:07 2019 No.10659981 >>10653460 >What the fuck do I have? Probably nothing, it's pretty normal to "just know" the answer to a problems you are very good at solving, without having to go through all the steps.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 20 18:53:32 2019 No.10660056 >>10644884 Very insightful

>>	Anonymous Mon May 20 18:57:39 2019 No.10660059 >>10659647 The medical community never acknowledges error. They are incapable of it. To do so would threaten the foundation of medicine, and they're not going to give up on their brand of helping people just because some, part, or most of it is wrong.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 20 20:37:58 2019 No.10660261 >>10659647 Dumbass 1 >>10660059 Dumbass 2 Get back to studying for your summer classes underfaguates

Anonymous Mon May 20 20:42:17 2019 No.10660271

>>10660261
Pharmaceuticals are advertised like any other product precisely because they have no unambiguous medical benefit and consumer choice is the primary motivating factor in sales. It's not a medical decision made by a doctor, so the concept of it being motivated by some form of veritable science is peripheral at best.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 20 20:52:30 2019 No.10660284 >>10656821 True. t. certainly autist diagnosed with schizophrenia

>>	Anonymous Mon May 20 21:04:05 2019 No.10660296 >>10658890 This

Anonymous Mon May 20 22:35:45 2019 No.10660430

>>10645250
This. Fucking linguistic determinism at its best interrupted by "Oh, we all have different bodies!"

Sorry your genetic deformation took 7 weeks to develop in utero instead of maybe 4 days like some other variations could have taken for the culprit gene.

Anonymous Mon May 20 22:46:30 2019 No.10660451

>>10651131
but something is off. Sorry.

Yeah. My family's ties to black bag operations that would make any /pol/ poster jealous if they were in my grade at my school for "What my mom/dad do for a living" day.

Just gonna leave this here:

>If a brain cell was to think about a decision before it was to be made, but the signal was taken by some other cell be it neuron or other and actions were carried out as normal, would you question what was to go wrong? No, but at the same time yes. Why? Because of hindsight. On the very first exposure to this activity, you had no idea what would happen because the reaction was too novel for you to understand. You can think of this as if we were dead right now. This type of thinking is the basis for memory retrieval via mnemonic. In this instant. We're not dead (friendly reality check!!).

>Moving on... We had no idea what would happen to the organism and such since the signal was improperly transmitted. Despite the corrections, consent was not given for the idea to happen? The cause? ADHD. Recall the hyperactivity and impulsivity that is associated with teh condition. Going further, such incorrect cell to cell communication is due schizophrenia. Once more, I hope that you have the ability to recall (still being friendly [if you can't get past this robotic type explanation, you have {potentially} other issues at hand and I have no particular want to deal with at such time]) that schizophrenia is thought to be a dysfunction of the neural circuits properly communicating with each other.

>What I've been getting at is that only schizophrenics can be not NPC. We don't want to typify them as being not PC as well due to their inability to give consent, but it's just easier for everyone in the end to remember it as such because lol evolution and (lol) overcoming challenges before death and post fetal development.

tl;dr some babies are asleep, shitpost moar

>>10660296
ur dumb. But really look up NOTCH4 and give your brain big think.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 20 22:49:24 2019 No.10660460 File: 43 KB, 784x379, 1527520730855.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10660430 >>10660451 On the offchance someone read these two posts and were confused, here's your receipt. image related

>>	Anonymous Mon May 20 23:38:10 2019 No.10660570 >>10660460 As a lighter subsequent aid to one's quest, please consider the following. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nEnklxGAmak

>>	Anonymous Mon May 20 23:38:39 2019 No.10660575 >>10660451 >NOTCH4 Cringe

>>	Anonymous Mon May 20 23:40:01 2019 No.10660580 >>10653482 >How can you believe our medical system is fair and just without any bias? Nice strawman, dumb retard.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 20 23:41:02 2019 No.10660582 >>10660575 I did not realize 4chan was for making friendships at something higher than acquaintanceship. >>>/v/

>>	Black Dahlia Mon May 20 23:41:13 2019 No.10660583 >>10644658 >zyprexa Zyprexa causes memory loss

>>	Black Dahlia Mon May 20 23:42:16 2019 No.10660589 >>10660582 I didn't realize government agents posted regularly on 4chan

>>	Anonymous Mon May 20 23:43:23 2019 No.10660592 >>10660589 Agents of change or those actually receiving a properly full check?

>>	Black Dahlia Mon May 20 23:45:20 2019 No.10660596 >>10660592 Or like volunteers? Trying to earn a pensuon someday?

>>	Anonymous Mon May 20 23:47:49 2019 No.10660603 >>10660596 You speak of agents of change, yes. I do not have to answer your second question.

>>	Black Dahlia Mon May 20 23:48:43 2019 No.10660606 >>10660603 That's an interesting career choice

>>	Black Dahlia Mon May 20 23:49:46 2019 No.10660608 File: 51 KB, 302x400, Screenshot_20190520-142532_Cleverbot.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10660603 More like a sodality actually

>>	Anonymous Mon May 20 23:51:30 2019 No.10660613 >>10660608 They can be mutually unaware of each other, so no, not quite.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 20 23:52:36 2019 No.10660616 >>10660613 I admit that I had to look up the word "sodality" to respond to your post. Enjoy faux superiority.

>>	Black Dahlia Tue May 21 00:02:09 2019 No.10660644 File: 537 KB, 1080x1080, Screenshot_20190514-070055_Gallery.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10660616 Yeah ill be sure to do that

Anonymous Tue May 21 00:25:15 2019 No.10660677
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>>10650860

>there is no such thing as a mental illness, you cannot take a brain scan and point to a mental illness.

A PET scan of my grandmother's brain revealed extensive damage from dementia, which causes her delusions about how I somehow "stole" everything from her, despite the fact that she lives in her house with her car and all her pre-dementia possessions.

For example, one time she woke up at 3am and began screaming because she didn't know where she was, even though it was the same bedroom she had been sleeping in for over 50 years. After calming her down she then accused me of "stealing" her '03 Mercury, and wouldn't accept that she traded it in for a '10 Malibu when she was still sane. After giving her the registration to prove that it was her vehicle, she then ripped it up and called 911 because she thought I faked it. Then in front of the cops she accused her husband of trying to kill her (he had been dead for 10 years by this point), claimed I wasn't actually her grandson, and ate her social security card in front of the cops. They then shrugged and left.

Mental illness is absolutely real and it's especially jarring when it happens to people you know well.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 21 00:47:45 2019 No.10660711 >>10653568 Asking a wish granting entity to grant your wish isn't illogical. It's believing that such a thing exists that is

Anonymous Tue May 21 00:51:42 2019 No.10660718

imo it's usually triggered by extreme stress (school, relationships, work, etc.) but once triggered it's like an on switch that can't be turned off except by years of medication, therapy, and a change of environment. It's sort of like the ultimate COPE mode of the brain, whereby reality itself becomes warped to preserve the ego.

Anonymous Tue May 21 01:10:53 2019 No.10660737

i read a book by a doctor whose kid had schizophrenia.

300 pages later he says theres no cure, no treatment. just make him take his pills and he will hate you for doing that anyway.

fuckin depressing book. taint nothing you can do for these people. try weed, mushrooms and lsd. cant hurt em.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 21 01:11:53 2019 No.10660741 >>10644854 oh hey tom cruise. hows it goin?

>>	Anonymous Tue May 21 01:14:45 2019 No.10660745 >>10660737 eh it's kinda outdated. there is a lot you can do nowadays. plenty of people lead good lives, many even in academia or top performing professional careers.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 21 01:14:50 2019 No.10660746 >>10660580 Baka you called somebody a schizo because they were skeptical of our medical system. Does this not mean you trust our doctors? In that case, how can you believe that they have no ulterior when there is so much shady stuff going on

>>	Anonymous Tue May 21 01:17:07 2019 No.10660750 >>10660745 + to add to this, early detection and humane treatment is key. and aim for low dose medication as a goal, which means lots of therapy and fulfilling activities.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 21 01:22:43 2019 No.10660757 >>10644639 It is like cancer, in that there isn't one cure or treatment and the best way to heal is actually a unique combination of treatments for the particular patient.

Anonymous Tue May 21 01:34:03 2019 No.10660777

>>10660677
I worked an senior living home. One just for senior citizens of various ages who are normal but if someone developed a heavy condition we weren't able to kick them out or put them in a place that could provide better dementia care , that was the residents kids or whoever was responsible for it.

One resident was so extreme in hers he memory was allover the place and like your grandmother she got VERY aggressive. Slapped another resident with a newpaper, swore at people, get in arguments, threaten the guy at the frontdesk and so on. Her memory snapshotted, sometimes she thought her tablemate was her husband who died long ago (husband was William, guy at the table was Thomas), one day she she thought she lost her baby, others she doesn't even know she was married or had full grown kids, forgetting that she ate whether it was 30 minutes ago or 1 minute. The mindfuckry dementia does makes people have various reactions, some it's fear, others it's aggression and it just changes people so badly.

Anonymous Tue May 21 01:46:42 2019 No.10660788

>>10660271
I have no towel in this fight but I remember the time they tried advertising BiDil as a Black heart failure medicine. Imma be a dick and spoi it for you but despite what Arbor tried to market BiDil that there was no improvement with BiDil in mortality or hospitalization based on race or ethnicity. The problem for Arbor, is that BiDil’s entire raison d’être is that it has a uniquely beneficial effect on African-Americans with heart failure. Hell BiDil is garbage as fuck.

Hell for 30's years some companies tried marketing a black heart failure drug but all failed because the work behind them was bad as in they failed to work on Blacks like they blabbed on about. Hell some tried slapping an inflated price tag on them

>>	Anonymous Tue May 21 01:53:32 2019 No.10660791 >>10644639 brain is complex

>>	Anonymous Tue May 21 02:43:30 2019 No.10660852 >>10660271 You're wrong if you think pharmaceuticals have no medical benefits. That's just idiotic. Why would a company sell a product that does nothing? Everyone would find out it does nothing and then they would stop buying the product.

Anonymous Tue May 21 03:11:20 2019 No.10660877

>>10660852
>Why would a company sell a product that does nothing?
Because they can make money on it.

> Everyone would find out it does nothing and then they would stop buying the product.

Almost all users say they do nothing, most of them are forced to take them one way or another.

Anonymous Tue May 21 12:20:34 2019 No.10661502

>>10659018

>Since '47 the primary purpose of clinical trials of psychiatric drugs is to create incapacitation agents with therapeutic market use just being the scraps left over.

alcohol already exists and the CIA know about it's existence as they were the previous enforcers of prohibition. Ditto for heroin and opiates in general.

Anonymous Tue May 21 13:59:40 2019 No.10661676

>>10660677
That’s such an unbelievably bad argument. Yes of course people with severe neurological denegeration are going to have delusions. Clearly your brain is performing cognitive computations and therefore damaging it will impair your thinking. This does not at all mean that every arbitrary and useless medical diagnosis is a real disease. You are literally arguing “my grandmother has dementia therefore ADHD is real”. How could you even post this?

Anonymous Tue May 21 14:03:03 2019 No.10661689

>>10660852
Honestly not sure if you are joking. But if you are not, I’d just like to point out that pretty much every culture throughout history has sold pseudoscientific snake oil that the public believed was curing them. The idea that a company which sells placebos could not survive is absurd.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 21 14:45:07 2019 No.10661778 >>10660877 >>10661689 The medication works, with a lot of side effects. The most successful patients I’ve seen are those who wean off medication, learn to recognize the onset of psychosis and get back on if there is a resurgence of symptoms.

Anonymous Tue May 21 15:54:39 2019 No.10661930

>>10661778
+ the patients oftentime hate the medication, which is part of the reason behind the whole anti medication movement. But it does work, and if possible the patient can stop the medication after a while. If there is early diagnosis, time under medication might be limited.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 21 19:32:07 2019 No.10662383 Doctor says I have depressive schizoaffective disorder, been on numerous anti depressants and anti psychotics at their highest recommend dosages haven't seen any improvement whatsoever so I'm likely going to stop the medications.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 22 00:20:23 2019 No.10662827 >>10656724 hes schizophrenic it doesnt get much worse

>>	Anonymous Wed May 22 00:40:44 2019 No.10662837 >>10644639 Imho "schizophrenia" is likely a set of symptoms rather than one disease.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 22 00:58:25 2019 No.10662864 >>10653169 Well that's magical thinking, so it would correlate with psychosis or positive schizotypy but that is not necessarily schizophrenia

>>	Anonymous Wed May 22 04:05:06 2019 No.10663121 >>10661689 The thing with schizophrenia medications is that they're proven to reduce hallucinations and delusions, even if they produce side effects. Stop being a dumbass.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 22 04:32:15 2019 No.10663174 >>10644882 >lifestyle changes fix schizophrenia based retard

Anonymous Wed May 22 05:20:33 2019 No.10663224

>>10656796
>you'd only need to work with mentally ill people for like a month to see it with your own eyes.

I have been in a mental hospital on the other side, not to "work with" them like you seem to pat yourself on the back for sheparding us slobbering salad brains

>>	Anonymous Wed May 22 05:25:31 2019 No.10663230 >>10663224 take your pills you're starting to schizo post

>>	Anonymous Wed May 22 05:26:07 2019 No.10663233 >>10644639 >Why is schizophrenia so hard to treat? Because we don't fully understand how the brain works.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 22 05:35:50 2019 No.10663249 >>10644639 There are structural brain changes in schizophrenia - it's like saying why are strokes so hard to treat. You migth be able to help the neurochemical imbalances and aberrant pathways but that still leaves a lot wrong.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 22 05:37:23 2019 No.10663251 >>10659647 Psychiatry has one of the highest cure rates and treatment efficacy of all medical specialties as well as more cochrane backing. It's as "medical" as surgery.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 22 05:38:35 2019 No.10663253 >>10663230 Kek

>>	Anonymous Wed May 22 09:33:56 2019 No.10663512 >>10644639 Because they don't want to get treated.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 22 09:48:20 2019 No.10663526 >>10663251 That's only becasue the treatment is so horrific that hiding the symptoms becomes the top priority for anybody unlucky or foolish enough to get involved in it.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 22 09:55:08 2019 No.10663534 >>10663251 That's only because the diagnosis is so unreliable that most people never were ill in the first place, and the treatment is so horrific that avoiding it becomes the top priority for anybody who experienced it.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 22 10:04:24 2019 No.10663550 >>10644639 Because it's the first natural state of human consciousness. Read the Bicameral Mind, you pleb.

Anonymous Wed May 22 11:44:20 2019 No.10663646

>>10663550
The bicameral mind got it wrong. There are two basic modes of consciousness: Monomodal, and bicameral. Those mostly depend on the capacity of the cerebellum compared to the cerebral cortex. If the cerebellum is powerful enough to control the whole brain, it creates a monomodal brain, with unitary consciousness. The way the monomodal mind works is that it works from sensory inputs towards deeper and deeper abstractions; the occipital and temporal lobes devoted to sensory processing, the frontal lobes used for memory. and the higher thought forming in the cerebellum. There is typically no strong handedness and the metod of thinking is extremely bottom up.

If the cerebellum is weak to handle the cerebral cortex, the consciousness start collapsing and the cerebellum eventually solves it by abandoning one hemisphere. creating a lopsided brain cerebellum-onehemisphere-the other hemisphere, with the connections between the cerebellum and the other hemisphere blocked out. This created the bicameral mind, with the inner voice(s) intuition and the subconscious "autopilot". The bicameral people lose certain cognitive function,a s the sequencing capacity of the cerebellum is not available to one of their hemispheres, and experience transient loss of control over what they're doing, adn have the capacity for guilt. (monomodal people have no capacity to experience guilt, as they don't do what they don't want to do. (but they can still experience shame))

>>	Anonymous Wed May 22 12:42:48 2019 No.10663777 >>10645499 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sackler_family

Anonymous Wed May 22 13:16:42 2019 No.10663840

Usually it's paired with narcissistic personality disorder. The patient will believe there is nothing wrong with them, that they are perfect, so they refuse treatment or don't seek it out in the first place -- if they are lucky, this is punctured by brief windows of lucidity but these can be rare and far in between.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 22 13:17:43 2019 No.10663844 >>10663534 oo louise this guy's gonna get laid in college.

Anonymous Wed May 22 14:43:21 2019 No.10664021

>>10663840
+ so a lot of time with a schizophrenic patient is spent being patient waiting for them to understand the need for treatment. in the meanwhile, they can be a danger to themselves and to others -- so it is important to keep them restricted. unfortunately this can play into their psychosis, where they think they are this important figure who is being restrained by powerful institutions. normally, it won't matter, because eventually the treatment can work -- so they will eventually come to. the process can be very difficult for caretakers, medical professionals, and family.

Anonymous Wed May 22 14:54:11 2019 No.10664043

>>10664021
+the medication is supposed to treat acute psychosis, and to make sure it doesn't return. So.. by the time a patient comes into medical care, it is usually far into progression of psychosis -- medication is a necessity; ultimately, however, the condition can be treated with little to no medication with consistent therapy, lifestyle changes, diet, exercise, and well structured meaningful activities. at least that's the hope.

Anonymous Wed May 22 15:03:12 2019 No.10664069

My life’s pretty decent for being schizo. The worst aspects of antipsychotics for me are that I sleep almost 12 hours and that I’m basically asexual because my libido is so low. Motivation is a bitch, but I haven’t had delusions in almost a year, occasionally depression (could be caused by antipsychotics from what I know) and being antisocial.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 22 17:35:36 2019 No.10664368 >>10664021 >>10664043 piles of horseshit.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 22 18:04:14 2019 No.10664422 >>10663840 Nonsense, it was other people who thought I was a VIP, despite my best attempts to convince them otherwise. I still find it incomprehensible how it could happen.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 22 18:04:31 2019 No.10664424 >>10644770 t. schizo

>>	Anonymous Wed May 22 19:35:33 2019 No.10664599 >>10644882 I don't think diet will help Schizophrenia, it might help with depression though.

Anonymous Wed May 22 19:39:08 2019 No.10664607

>>10645151
You're too pessimistic, there's a grain of truth but it won't fix your issue. Never give up until you have tried everything, time fixes a lot of things and what I mean by that is that better treatments will likely be available in the future.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 23 02:50:17 2019 No.10665221 >>10663646 how about some sources to back up this bullshit reply to an originally bullshit post

>>	Anonymous Thu May 23 04:29:49 2019 No.10665338 >>10661676 >guys mental illness isn't real because we can't see it in a scan of the brain! >well yeah, air doesn't exist because I can't see it duh This is you. This is how you sound

>>	Anonymous Thu May 23 04:33:08 2019 No.10665343 >>10663534 Guess how I know you don't know what you are talking about

>>	Anonymous Thu May 23 04:34:39 2019 No.10665350 >>10658890 So...a syndrome?

>>	Anonymous Thu May 23 04:37:45 2019 No.10665353 >>10656821 Yeah, one thing for sure is that psychiatry is now what basic medicine was in middle ages. It has still a long way to go

>>	Anonymous Thu May 23 05:08:55 2019 No.10665387 >>10650835 this tbqhfamalamajam People saying schizophrenia isn't real are probably polacks trying to stir up shit again.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 23 08:45:25 2019 No.10665692 I don't think peudoscience like psychiatry should be discussed here.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 23 13:51:12 2019 No.10666234 >>10663646 Im keeping that as pasta for when I feel like some schizoposting

>>	Anonymous Thu May 23 14:11:30 2019 No.10666268 >>10665350 sounds better then illness

>>	Anonymous Thu May 23 14:16:49 2019 No.10666283 This thread will never die, it seems.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 23 14:26:46 2019 No.10666308 >>10666283 Nobody is posting here, anon Are you ok?

>>	Anonymous Thu May 23 17:04:05 2019 No.10666701 >look at the history of psychiatry >giving people electroshocks >lobotomy honestly shizos avoiding medication are onto something.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 23 17:42:16 2019 No.10666872 >>10644879 That is probably something to do with the pills

>>	Anonymous Thu May 23 18:34:25 2019 No.10666975 File: 106 KB, 400x345, MatrixPills.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10644879 >>10666872 >>10666701 Pills can make it worse.

Anonymous Thu May 23 19:23:39 2019 No.10667103

>>10666701
Also
>sending political oponents to the gulag
>wrapping autists in a wet blanket because why not ?
>considering some peope mentally ill or not following societal trends (i.e. homosexuality)

And now these retard psychiatrists are polluting everyone's water with oestrogens and shit because they prescribe their poison to any asshole they meet

>>	Anonymous Thu May 23 19:28:15 2019 No.10667117 File: 458 KB, 411x561, Alex Jones Pepe.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10667103 >polluting everyone's water with oestrogens "Turning the Freaking Frogs Gay" - Alex Jones https://youtu.be/_ePLkAm8i2s honk-honk

Anonymous Thu May 23 19:47:53 2019 No.10667156

>>10650831
By dieing, human population was minuscule and lifespans shorter for most of time, infectious diseases would kill you, see the plague.
While better alimentation and hygiene helped improve both, we wouldn't be where we are without modern medicine

Anonymous Thu May 23 20:11:50 2019 No.10667203

>>10644879
Those pills are awful, people feel terrible afterwards. It's like something is sucking your soul awaye...

Psyche Aters maybe do stuff like that.

I get calm by doing math excercises when I have really unconfortable situations with my schizophrenia. It calms me down a lot. I'm in constant fear of ending up in hospital on hard pills on which you don't know your name for rest of life. That fear is making it worse. If hospitals here waren't that terrible it would be more bearable.

Schizos can live without pills, but they need some sanity-check mate and some plant material and ketamine can help a lot. NMDA stuff.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 23 20:12:51 2019 No.10667206 >>10644648 Because doctors get paid for doing some stuff, not for solution.

Anonymous Thu May 23 20:51:13 2019 No.10667323

>>10650854
>>10650860
>>10650863
>>10650870
This poster seemed to have got triggered at someone suggesting their early schizophrenia symptoms are real. I can only hope we can understand the nature of this disease better to give these people some compassion.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 23 21:49:14 2019 No.10667468 File: 67 KB, 666x463, RemiliaMath.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10667203 >I get calm by doing math exercises when ... [schizo]. It calms me down a lot. Based and Math-pilled

>>	Anonymous Thu May 23 22:01:41 2019 No.10667494 >>10644639 Because you can't cure "lied to your entire life."

>>	Anonymous Thu May 23 22:59:06 2019 No.10667708 >>10645113 Schizoposter

>>	Anonymous Thu May 23 23:00:12 2019 No.10667713 >>10650584 >the strongest psych med available Larper detected

>>	Anonymous Thu May 23 23:02:20 2019 No.10667717 >>10654480 You don't have autism, shut the fuck up and go back 2 Reddit.

Anonymous Thu May 23 23:22:21 2019 No.10667799

>>10645151
Yes, never trust any psychiatrist
>have medical diploma
>find it somewhat healthy to make your patients fat, give them hearth problems, diabetes, make them die in their 30s

Now can anyone logically explain how psychiatrists can be willing to help/cure while being honest and smart.
If a psychiatrist gives meds believing he is making good, he is dumb, if he doesn't believe that he is lying about the real reason he gives the pills.
The reason can just be to make you STFU and stay in bed but that psychiatrist is still lying.

I don't want either dumb or lying doctors in the society I live in.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 02:33:18 2019 No.10668217 >>10667708 No. It's only Europe/US, more or less everybody else is normal.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 02:34:04 2019 No.10668218 >>10667708 Based

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 02:54:20 2019 No.10668271 >>10667799 ...you know that even an aspirin can possibly kill you, right?

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 03:32:39 2019 No.10668335 >>10666234 You're wellcome.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 06:02:06 2019 No.10668493 >>10659650 hi kettle, im pot

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 09:54:45 2019 No.10668850 >>10668271 Yes I do, how is this relevant ?

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 15:19:41 2019 No.10669548 >>10665343 Guess how I can tell that you're bottom feeder in class?

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 15:22:28 2019 No.10669556 >>10667708 Yeah ok stay hugboxed friendo. Just remember that psychiatry is the adult version of playground antics with namecalling being the forefront of that particular medical realm. Oh, it's an official label? Why?

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