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10641411 No.10641411 [Reply] [Original]

Why does the Universe exist?

>> No.10641419

>>10641411
It does not

>> No.10641422

>>10641411
only for you qt pi ;)

>> No.10641435

So my magnificent self has the pathetic you to laugh at.

>> No.10641454

>>10641411
G-d was bored.

>> No.10641523

>>10641411
just the one right now or all of them?

>> No.10641542

>>10641411
The Universe is the One, and the One is the Universe
Simple as

>> No.10641549

We exist inside of a giant incomprehensible fractal. Inside of this non-self similar infinite fractal which contains and infinite amount of information simulated every possible way in which few fundamental laws can work. Our universe and every other conceivable universe was generated inside of that fractal and we’re experiencing one inevitable reality out of an Infinite amount

>> No.10641551

>>10641549
Almost failed the captcha for this because I’m too high

>> No.10641555

>>10641411
We're in a simulation with the goal to achieve conscious awareness and genuine understanding of how the simulation works.

Why?

For the sentients outside the simulation to progress in doing the same.

>> No.10641586

do you know what i find funny? no matter how far "scientists" get, even in a million years, the origin of everything will never be explained. never. there will always be a question behind every answer. so much so that I bet that even if god exists he wouldnt know. nothing knows and will ever know. i hope your desire for that knowledge consumes the rest of your life and you are left with nothing but resentment for your existence.

>> No.10641593

>>10641411
It has to exist in order to balance out not existing

>> No.10641624

>>10641586
fuck you fag if we're still around in a million years i guarantee we will have it figured out

>> No.10641637

>>10641586
I've never heard someone use the slippery slope argument wrt knowledge before

>> No.10641659

The existing-not existing duality is only within our minds.
You should ask, why you perceive existing and what it means. You may never learn what lies behind this perception, cos it is unthinkable to you. Your very ability to question the ideas behind the world is a massive drawback. It is counterproductive to ask the questions you can never answer.

Just think, why you consider some thing existing. What is a necessary condition for existing? Where do you draw the line? Understand that and you will be at peace with yourself. Keep asking, what stands behind this duality and your ability to perceive it -- and perish in the abyss of fruitless search

>> No.10641675

>>10641637
he's right you know

>> No.10641679

>>10641659
>duality is only in our minds
>what does it mean to exist
Just read the entire canon of ontology, you haven't even scratched the surface your interpretation is naive

>> No.10641695

>>10641679
I refuse to go into that pit.
You are all asking the wrong questions and you should feel bad for being unable to see the mindfuckery for what it is.

>> No.10641701

>>10641695
So says every ignorant man

>> No.10641726

>>10641624
nothing but delusions.
>>10641637
it is completely true. you will never receive a satisfying answer, regardless of the answer. even if you understand how this universe was created you will never be able to understand where those laws originated from. it will be questions for eternity and even the universe, multiverse, or whatever verse, has no idea where it came from. and whatever created it has no idea where it came from nor will it ever. you will forever be disappointed because you will never figure out any answers no matter how many billions or trillions of years you spend searching with the brightest minds among quadrillions or septillions of citizens. even if you had every mind in existence thinking about it for the rest of eternity you will never find an answer. and i hope that crushes your soul and forces you to believe that everything is fake to the point where you doubt if even you exist.

>> No.10642345

>>10641624
Literally impossible. What you're proposing is like eliminating all the axioms from mathematics. At some point, we'll be saying "this and that came into being because that's just the nature of it", having no further answer about the "why".

>> No.10642376

>>10641411
Why not?

>> No.10642382

This is a great question that I consider one of the most obvious questions of all. I guess even animals wonder about the same. But is plugged in this instance until life is over. This question doesn't quite bother me much at all. Because I don't need to know the answer nor do I want to either. Because nothing is obvious or even real when it comes to the great question why are we here. Tricky. So I start with the basic. Existence is real we cannot argue with that. It's metaphysically impossible to say it's not. I also mean to say that it is not is the same as saying there is a man in the sky who judge you no matter what you do so you basically going to en up in hell after life. It's stupid as hell. But that describes how stupid some people can be. And it's not few of em. So the human genome is not perfectly developed since people think like that. But the higher IQ the nore clear it is to understand. And it's fairly easy when you are reasonable and logical to see we do exsit and so does the universe. But the question is to be explained like this. Did something come from nothing or did something come from something. What's behind everything then. Where did it start. And is it eternal. This is called singularity. And did singularity come from something or nothing. I guess something but nothing. And this is hard. If something and or nothing is the origin of space and time we cannot tell. But I believe in force. And force of energy or just plain force is an eternal matter we have not yet been able to see and observe but we know it's there. Force is almost a living organism that everything we see is made of. So what came first then. Well there must have been force itself. And as far as I go here there is no reason to think it is some magic because it's not. Everything is just laws of physics and the force is an eternal matter and it made everything by itself because laws of physic made it evolve into space matter and time. Deeper than that I cannot tell.

>> No.10642383

>>10641411
Afor us

>> No.10642390

I am that I am and it is, but never is what it isn't.

>> No.10642418

>>10641411
Because if it didn't exist, then you wouldn't be aound to ask why it exists.

>> No.10642489

>>10641411
The Universe exists because it's not impossible for it to exist

>> No.10642511

>>10642382
good job dodging the question, anon

>> No.10642951
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>>10641411
It's beyond our comprehension and something we may never really wrap our mind around in the way we can learn and understand and wrap our minds around why galaxies exist, by learning how they form and what rules govern them but we may never be able to say the same for the universe.

Things get more complicated (or maybe more comprehensible?) when we consider multiverses and the like. To me the existence of multiverses makes the existence of our universe something comprehendable and easy to explain once its figured out how universes in a multiverse form - this is assuming multiverse theory is even true. And of course then we will ask why does the multiverse exist and thats what the new question will be.

>> No.10642957

>>10642418
Ah, why can't more people accept this simple truth.

The universe exists because the question was asked.

>> No.10642965

Because if it didn't that would be boring as fuck.

>> No.10643094

The real question is : what does it mean to exist?
There are two types of phenomena : abstract and material.
Abstract phenomena are ideas or the pure form of something. Material phenomena are those that possess concrete existence.
What is pure existence itself though? Everything that is material can have an idea produced by it. There is potentially a pure form behind everything. Therefore, existence too should have a pure form. It should have a design or sheer informational structure.
If existence were to be abstracted, it would be an idea that applies to itself. Imagine if this idea were physically tangible, a combination of both planes, with the abstract aspect giving rise to the material aspect and vice versa. It would form an infinite network or pattern of ideas. The first idea applies to itself, giving form to a new idea, but it also would be given its structure by itself, which produces another new idea. The proliferation of ideas works both ways producing infinite ideas(or bits) of existence in a chain. Then because existence is universal, each bit in the chain would contain all bits and subsequently be within every bit.
Existence could be a material idea of itself.

>> No.10643100

>>10641411
Because outside of our universe there is no such thing as time as it is a property of our universe, so everything happens instantly and it is like there is an infinite amount of time, and given an infinite amount of time everything that can happen will happen.

>> No.10643112

>>10641549
And what caused said fractal to exist?

>> No.10643118

>>10642957
there still has to be a way that it works out so we can be able to ask it.
We only know that the universe is possible, op asked why and how

>> No.10643121

>>10643094
>abstract and material

There is only abstract, there's no such thing as "concrete" existence. There is only an experience of qualia. Nothing in reality is concrete, it's a dream-like thing. Physicality is just a concept we humans invented based on what we perceive to be true.

Calling anything in this world concrete is like calling a video game world concrete cause the character reacts to it as if it is.

>> No.10643156

>>10641411
>it's a brainlet op doesn't know the difference between metaphysics and science.
Not science or math.

>> No.10643177

some time ago even flying was beyond our comprehension you stupid gaylords

>> No.10643212

>>10643112
LGBT rights

>> No.10643240

>>10641411
ANTHROPIC PRINCIPLE

>> No.10643241

>>10642489
how did the framework of possible and impossible come into being?

>> No.10643255

>>10643100
no observations have been made outside the universe, how can you make any statements about such a thing or even if such a thing exists?

>> No.10643290

>>10641411
I love how no one came with a reason for WHY the universe exists. Everyone is just rambling.

Why does the universe exist? Because it has to.

>> No.10643294

>>10643290
>Because it has to.
why would you say that?

>> No.10643299

>>10643294
Cannot be explained in words.

>> No.10643356

>>10643299
Give it a try, I'm interested in what you might have to say.

>> No.10643378

>>10643356
Literally cannot explain in words.

Just to clarify, I mean literally in it's literal sense, not slang.

Wish it was possible.

>> No.10643385

>>10643378
I've reached the same conclusion, it's ineffable. Was hoping someone on this board might have something interesting to say on the topic though.

>> No.10643398

>>10641411
I see you're smarter than others and found where it all goes to fuck all.
This question is primal.
It makes science bow, because it might be that some kind of deity actually made the Universe.
I don't pretend to know better, but a Universe shouldn't exist to begin with. Even if there was no life in it.
Yet I wake up every morning and wonder what the fuck is going on.
My conclusion is, maybe, just maybe, Religion aren't just full of shit. And if that's the case, I better behave.

>> No.10643402

>>10643378
>Literally cannot explain in words.
ur jus dumb

>> No.10643410

We don't know.

>> No.10643416

>>10643410
Let me make it more scary:
We won't know.

>> No.10643419

>>10643416
That's certainly possible but I believe it's more likely we eventually will.

>> No.10643427

>>10643419
Well, all I care about is that we would know by the time I die, but statistics aren't on my side.
And if we eventually do, then what?
That would be like clearing the game with all achievements.

>> No.10643433

it exists because I can see it does

>> No.10643438

>>10643433
Good point. I can see it too.
But from my point of view, you might just be pretending like you do.

>> No.10643460

>>10641411
We don't know. Maybe we'll never know or if we do we'll need an explanation for why the cause of the universe exists. That path would seem to be an infinite regress which does seem troubling. I think the most likely scenario is that the universe always existed, or whatever created it did. Could be God (although almost certainly not any of the Gods we have thought up).

>> No.10643462

This is all a clown-show to keep your mind entertained.
As to what a mind is?
Well, maybe you are god.

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Pathological counterexample to Russell's Paradox.

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10643481

>>10641411

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>>10643481

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10643489

>>10643485

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>>10643489

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>>10643494

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>>10643496

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>>10643501

>> No.10643519

>>10641726
>um ackshyually u can’t know nuffin haha kys fag
cringe

>> No.10643532

>>10643481
>>10643485
>>10643494
>>10643496
>>10643501
>>10643506
Nice imagination.
Religion level tier stuff.
That is, fucking nothing.

>> No.10643540

>>10643506
what happens next?

>> No.10643686

>>10643540
Obviously god is evil and satan is good, and it all goes back to your childhood

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>>10643532

>> No.10643720

>>10641411
There was no other possible alternative

"nothing" is an invention of the mind. Something is the default state, actually, everything is the default state because multiverse theory.

>> No.10643723

>>10643708
how does someopne get that large

>> No.10643724

>>10643720
There is no need for a multiverse therefore it does not exist
EZ logic

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>>10643723
they consume calories in excess of their expenditures
>expecting anons on /sci/ to know anything about biology

>> No.10643735

>>10643731
surely there is a part of the brain that says stop eating

>> No.10643736

>>10641411
To maximize entropy

>> No.10643738

>>10643723
they post on /sci/ all day

>> No.10643742

>>10643735
but the part of the brain that rewards them for consuming food is overriding the part that says that's enough

>> No.10643748

>>10643724
No, because the properties of our universe from conception are finely tuned in a way that miraculously allows life, and a small change to any of them, had the universe formed any differently, would render that impossible. If there is only one universe that only forms once, we are astronomically lucky.

Also as far as we know, nothing that exists is alone and unique, at any scale. There's always more instances of everything. Quarks, atoms, molecules, organisms, planets, asteroids, stars, galaxies, nebulae, clusters, on and on until my face is blue.

>> No.10643749

>>10643736
why does entropy exist?

>> No.10643753

>>10643749
thlo minimize the universe

>> No.10643764

That's a good question anon

>> No.10643785

>>10643749
Because you can't create energy

>> No.10643786

>>10643398
>god
>road
>can
>Illegal trash trade
eh

>> No.10643796

>>10643462
>Well, maybe you are god.
Maybe I am and I created this universe and all the other "consciousnesses" because I was lonely.
>tfw still lonely

>> No.10643920

>>10641659
>It is counterproductive to ask the questions you can never answer.
But what else do humans have than answering the impossible and fucking? So much beautiful and even entertaining art and useful technology happened because men love seemingly impossible ideas and women.

>> No.10643999

>>10643519
fool

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I wonder why out of all the things in the universe i could have been born as, I'm born now as a human.My consciousness just burst into this reality and with these peers and at this point in the history of the universe, i'm here for maybe a hundred years or so and then gone again. When i think of it, those theories about reincarnation are understandable, it's a shame you dont carry your former memories along with you though

>> No.10644800

>>10643378
>Literally cannot explain in words.
Then both the idea and you are useless.

>> No.10644803

>>10643398
If you need the idea of metaphysical punishment to keep you from being a dickhead, you're just a bad person.

>> No.10644822

>>10643731
I don't understand how someone could have both the time and money to eat/buy enough food to get that fat, though.

>> No.10644842

>>10641411
because non existence isn't possible. There cannot be an absence of something without something to compare it to. for every piece of matter, there is an absence of that matter. Every 0 has a 1 somewhere to balance out the equation.

that being said, I have no idea what the fuck I'm talking about.

>> No.10644849 [DELETED] 

Because it has to. Imagine there being nothing. You can. But only because you can also imagine things like unicorns. Do unicorns exist just because you can imagine them? No, the do not. Nothing is the same way.

>> No.10644853

Because it has to. Imagine there being nothing. You can. But only because you can also imagine things like unicorns. Do unicorns exist just because you can imagine them? No, they do not. Nothing is the same way.

>> No.10644858

>>10644849
Horses exist even though I can imagine them. Why is nothing the same as unicorns but not horses? You can imagine both existing and non-existing things.

>> No.10644861

>>10644858
Horses are not unicorns. Horses are horses. And unicorns are unicorns.

>> No.10644862

>>10644853
Imagine having an ego so fragile that you reread your own post two minutes after posting it, spot a typo, and then make a new post while deleting the old one. The board is anonymous, dude. Nobody gives a shit about your typo.

>> No.10644864

>>10644861
That is very clearly not the question that I asked. My point is that being able to imagine something has no bearing one way or another on its existence.

>> No.10644867

>>10644858
Also, to answer your question, why you can imagine horses. You can imagine horses because you have seen them before. Imagining nothingness is similar to imagining the sun rising in the west instead of the east. It will (most likely) never happen, but it is the opposite of what actually occurs, so it is easy to imagine. Almost impossible to happen.

>> No.10644870

>>10644867
Your ideas are scrambled at best. What are you seeing when you imagine nothingness?

>> No.10644872

>>10644864
You don't seem to understand the premise, so your question is without any basis in logical enquiry. Imagination is in fact totally independent of experience. If it aligns with experience at times, it is only in the way that a broken clock is right twice a day.

>> No.10644874

>>10644870
"My ideas" come directly from Hume. I suppose you think Hume's ideas are scrambled, too.

>> No.10644875

>>10641586
Gödel proved this awhile ago, old news.

>> No.10644881

>>10644872
Imagination itself is experienced though.

You dont even know anything without experiencing it in imagination.

>> No.10644883 [DELETED] 

>>10641586
Well, I have no desires and only resentment for my existence to begin with, so I don't see why my search for this answer is such an waste. What else is there for me to do?

>> No.10644887

>>10641586
Well, I have no desires and only resentment for my existence to begin with, so I don't see why my search for this answer is such a waste. What else is there for me to do?

>> No.10644888

>>10641586
And you know what? Feynman said the exact same thing you are saying:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MO0r930Sn_8

>> No.10644892

>>10641586
IT'S TURTLES ALL THE WAY DOWN, BABY

>> No.10644897

this prison is a planet and were all doomed to die in It. locked away by our 5 senses, we will reach high upto the heavens and vindicate our existence against you GODS u selfesh pricks

>> No.10644900

>>10644897
>prison planet
>alex jones
>tuck buckford

>> No.10644906

>>10644897
To me, the only reason to not commit suicide, is the perhaps false belief that we will somehow escape this planet. If traveling to other star systems is impossible, we will find another way. We will perhaps build a collider large enough to create a wormhole secure enough to travel to another universe. Thus ensuring our immortality across universes.

>> No.10644950

>>10641411
Because if it can exist, then it must.

First law of probability.

>> No.10644951

Essentially math foundations elude to an answer. I can't and no one can say for certain, but tricks like from nothing (empty set) you can now have nothingness (set containing empty set) and such and so forth. You can use this or other foundational mathematical arguments to lay out some sort of inevitability. This inevitably must be able to construct at least the real numbers since our vision has area to it (ruling out computation of enumerable set). From these sets, our existence is simply one interpretation of this inevitable information. I assume a God would be a most likely result of these inevitable facts and that's why we just so happen to have consciousness in a universe where things kind of make sense. You must admit that most incarnations of consciousness would just receive static as their sensory input if it's just interpretations of inevitable facts.

>> No.10645153

>>10641701
Why waste energy discussing the impractical?
Just accept skepticism.
>>10643920
You can explore the world on phenomena level indefinetely without ever looking into the essence of things

>> No.10645356

Because it was a nissesity? Otherwise nothing? Thts the
Wrong question

>> No.10645576

>>10644822
Fatties gonna fat, they're like drug addicts but with food.

>> No.10645594

DUDE
what if the universe like
doesn't actually exist XDDDD!!

u're just a brain in a matrix XDDD

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>>10644906

>> No.10645627

>>10643240
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8oipLH2nWdc

>> No.10646409

>>10644874
You can imagine things that do not exist. You can't imagine nothing. The best you can come up with is something vague like the empty space behind your head. Even nothing is something since it is nothing, true nothing is when even nothing does not exist. Even if we understand the concept of these words, it's just as unreal as hundred thousand light years. You can't imagine it, it's just some big number. I think you fail to recognize the difficulty of this task.

>> No.10646576

>>10641411
my default answer to shit like this is mostly just that whatever would exist that could ask that question WOULD, so someone inside this universe asking that question doesnt have any validity

>> No.10646656

>>10643481
How do you know it happened this way and not some other way?
What a bunch of unfalsifiable bullshit

>> No.10646778

>>10645576
Even drug addicts run out of money. What, are these fat fucks out there sucking dicks for cheeseburgers?

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>>10646409

>> No.10646813

>>10646409
That's actually... a good explanation of why nothingness is not possible.

>> No.10646830

>>10646813
A human mind's ability to imagine something has no bearing on its existence.

>> No.10646831

>>10645614
There are so many options. I don't why I feel so fatalistic about it all at times. On the other hand, the hope for survival is a kind of faith (that we will survive in the end). And as Kierkegaard said, inherent in ANY faith is doubt. There is no escaping ceaselessly nagging doubt if you are to elect to believe in anything. That is just the nature of faith.

>> No.10646835

>>10646830
Nothingness is still not possible by the simple fact that something clearly exists. Maybe it's an illusion, but that's still something. Therefore, there isn't nothing.

>> No.10646836

>>10646830
Can you prove it has no bearing?

Do you even know what bearing means you pseudofag?

>> No.10647251

>>10646778
Food is really cheap in the industrial world. Even the poor can afford to be obese.

>> No.10647381

>>10641726
>and i hope that crushes your soul and forces you to believe that everything is fake to the point where you doubt if even you exist
wait, why do you wish that to people?

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>>10642418
>>10642957
>>10643290
ll this might be my second time on /sci/ in all my years on 4chan and i find retards who talk like this. OP would have gotten better responses from literally any other board.
sound like a bunch of stoner hippies

>> No.10647481

>>10641586
I'm obese, balding and soon a wizard. Wish I was a normie.

>> No.10647487

>>10642382
enjoy hell

>> No.10647747

>>10643212
explain

>> No.10647875

>>10646835
Clearly exists to whom? Nothingness doesn’t exist, it’s the absence of existence. In the absence of existence, the concept of it itself does not exist

>> No.10648597

>>10641411
If it didn't you wouldn't be able to ask the question.

>> No.10648695

>>10648597
The anthropic principle is the most brainlet answer to the question and isn’t an answer at all