Mental Illness

[Anonymous No.10622673]

Red pill me on mental illness. Lack of self control, or legit brain chemistry being out of wack? Schizophrenia seems pretty legit, but stuff like bipolar seems over diagnosed.

[Anonymous No.10622696]

>>10622673
>mental illness
pseudoscientific nonsense

[Anonymous No.10622723]

>>10622673
Mental illness is a shitty fucking label applied to poorly understood mental phenomena by ignorant pricks with with a phd.

>>10622696
pseudoscientific in what sense? Are you saying the human mind can't be understood?

[Anonymous No.10622845]

>>10622673
Based Movie
/we/ can relate to it.

[Anonymous No.10623278]

I feel like Nash all the time. I see patterns everywhere, and they sometimes lead me to where I need to be going. Like I can blink my right eye and left eye and it makes a patter with the fixtures in the buildings I walk through

[Anonymous No.10623330]

>>10622673
I was in a long term relationship with someone who was bipolar/schizophrenic. It is no f-ing joke. You and everyone else spend your whole lives trying to get through to them and help them, while the person constantly imagines that everyone is trying to control them. Meds help sometimes but then the person always finds some reason to convince themselves they don't need them. Perhaps it is over-diagnosed, but the real deal is an absolute and legitimate nightmare.

[Anonymous No.10623334]

>>10622673
You want mental illness? Go to one of the math threads here and wait for someone to appeal to "logic" or "common sense"

[Paja !!9My0cgAwLAB No.10623378]

>>10622696
>>10622723
Pseudoscientific in the sense that it isn't scientific. Even the diagnosis depends on what it feels like to somebody, rather than something objective. That is no more scientific than shamanism or accupuncture. Even the drugs make no sense, antidepressants have no scientific basis whatsoever, antipsychotics destroy the striatum, which has no effect on higher cognition
(it primarily controls the movement) and the rest is just stimulants, like coke or meth.

[Anonymous No.10623389]

>>10622673
Mental illness is heavily exacerbated by industrial society.

[Anonymous No.10623395]

>>10623334
This

[Anonymous No.10623408]

>>10623378
(((Based and pseudoscience pilled)))

> Pseudoscientific in the sense that it isn't scientific.
The concept of pseudoscience is pseudoscientific.
>antidepressants have no scientific basis whatsoever
Plainly wrong.

[Anonymous No.10623415]

>>10622673
Shit like bipolar and behavior-based problems are just pseud bullshit.
Stuff that causes changes beyond just emotion is a bit more than that, perhaps a chemical imbalance.
Something that permanently changes how you act and think is something that has to actually do with the build of your brain (i.e. assburgers or autism)

[Anonymous No.10623435]

>>10623378
You're a fucking moron. Just because YOU don't know how anti-depressants/anti-psychotics work or their pharmacology you're saying it's like acupuncture?.
All these medications absolutely and objectively do work. In fact it is you who is the pseudoscientific shaman with no scientific basis. Dopamine doesn't "primarily" control movement you fucking ape

[Anonymous No.10623446]

>>10622845
>/we/
Well, I'm not an award-winning mathematical genius.

[Anonymous No.10623648]

>>10622723
There's nothing wrong in applying labels to poorly understood phenomena.

We call it "mental" because it seems to pertain to the mind (that is also poorly understood although we are certain it has a biological basis).

We call it "illness" because it's causing actual problems for people and their societies. It's not always as simple as tolerating those who are different (it worked with gays though).

[Anonymous No.10623676]

>>10623648
I suppose you're right, but i think it's a risky thing to call it an illness as if the user is not responsible for themselves. On top of that, i think it's also risky/dangerous/destructive to try and invent pills to regulate behavior. I understand there are extremes and in the end we need to keep society safe, but i believe everyone needs to take responsibility for their thoughts/emotions and constantly work towards organizing them in a way that allows for peaceful co-existence. Everyone has different thoughts/emotions to organize. And in the event we come across anomalies that refuse to organize their thoughts/emotions for the sake of peaceful co-existence, the solution is any 1 or combination of 3 things: Sedation, caging, or extermination. Preferably extermination. If that's unreasonable, caging. I fear whether or not sedation can truly keep human nature under control, but i imagine that would be voted as most "humane" or whatever.

[Paja !!9My0cgAwLAB No.10623888]

>>10623408
>>10623435
Acupuncturists aslo have explanation why it's suppsoed to work. That doesn't make it scientific. Science needs to follow certain principle that this field clearly doesn't.

[Anonymous No.10623935]

>>10623888
>What is pharmacology
>What is a double-blind study
>What is the FDA
I get it if you're saying certain disorders are overdiagnosed. But to outright deny the entire field of medicine and pharmacy and compare it to acupuncture "because they both have explanations" is to prove yourself as a low grade moron.
It's time to filter your stupid fucking ass. Use this gun to shoot your tiny brains out.

[Paja !!9My0cgAwLAB No.10623987]

>>10623935
I'm talking about psychiatry, which does none of such things. Real medicine knows the striatum as a hub for motion control and motivation, there is no reason why damaging it should do anything else than the pacients say it does, and gives you parkinsons and make you lose motivation to do aynthing.

[Paja !!9My0cgAwLAB No.10624010]

>>10623935
I'm talking about psychiatry, which does none of such things.

[Anonymous No.10624019]

>>10622673
there are no discrete mental illnesses that can be properly isolated using genomic or physiological analysis, however there is a basis for the idea of neurological disease/disorders that affect chronically hamper or skew behavior in such a way that is fitness reducing and harmful to proper cognitive development or emotional stability and these are associated with hormonal imbalances, improper production of neurotransmitters/insensitivity, oxidative stress, malnourishment, developmental disruptions and a host of environmental and genetic risk factors many of which have not been properly teased out yet. So, it is something that exists, there is obviously a physical and necessarily genetic basis for it but beyond that its difficult to ascertain what constitutes a distinct mental illness that can be targeted with specific treatment regimes. For instance there is a reason that many anti-psychotics and anti-depressants are prescribed to people who are not explicitly diagnosed with psychosis or depression and why you find such frequent comorbidity of these diseases.

[Anonymous No.10624036]

>>10622673
"no social skills" and "mental illness"
This is how The Consumers refer to people they do not like, the people who call them disgustingly selfish bloated wretches.

[Anonymous No.10624043]

>>10623389
Save it, anon. These guys aren't ready for the deleuze-pill

[Anonymous No.10624054]

>>10623330
>I was in a long term relationship with someone who was bipolar/schizophrenic.
People often say shit like this to illicit sympathy for themselves, and they do illicit sympathy - for the person they were in a relationship with, and then only end up drawing suspicion on themselves.

[Anonymous No.10624072]

>>10622673
I had a nervous breakdown at 17 where I was spatially hallucinating (not actually seeing with my eyes, but very specifically "feeling" in the immediate area around me and knowing exactly what they looked like) wasps covering me and a nurse pushing a burn/car crash victim on a gurney towards me. It only lasted an hour but the following weeks were the most depressed I've ever felt, I'd get pangs of misery so intense my knees would buckle. I'd spend hours just staring at the ceiling in silence, not listening to or watching anything. Given my history of cyclic depression before that, it was treated as a manic episode and I was given lamotrigine which is used to treat bipolar, even though I wasn't officially diagnosed, I don't think.

Anyways, regardless of whether it was actually bipolar or not, I can assure you it was very real and not a matter of self control or hyping myself into it. My father had a similar psychotic episode when he was just a bit older than I was that got him sent to a psychiatric ward for a while. Environment and choices may play a roll but genetics and whatnot are absolutely a key part

[Anonymous No.10624091]

>>10623676
I don't think you have very much experience with mental illness at all. It's rarely just a matter of thinking differently. Certainly autists and schizophrenics and depressives think differently, but the actual problem is any suffering caused by thinking differently.

Your solutions for psychiatric patients are very oldfashioned.

[Anonymous No.10624121]

>>10623888
>Acupuncturists aslo have explanation why it's suppsoed to work. That doesn't make it scientific.
Well, trying to explain what's going is exactly what makes it scientific. Some explanations are better and more convincing than others. There's no natural distinction between pseudoscientific and scientific explanations, although you certainly can construct one. Science is merely the act to try to figure out how reality works.

[Anonymous No.10624224]

>>10623676
Wow the edge

[Anonymous No.10624965]

>>10623435

[Anonymous No.10625858]

>>10622673
Every other organ in the body can become ill. Is it too much of a stretch to say the brain can stop functioning properly? It's the single most complex organ in any living creature
The fact that we can't identify illnesses properly due to our lack of understanding and technology doesn't mean they don't exist

[Paja !!9My0cgAwLAB No.10625865]

>>10624121
No. Constant testing and attempts to disprove existing beliefs is what makes something scientific.

[Anonymous No.10625888]

You have a mind. A "mental state"

This can become ill

People can become "mentally ill"

Capische, OP?

[Anonymous No.10626105]

>>10622673
>Diagnosed with major depression
>Medication makes me manic as a side effect
>Diagnosed with bipolar even though I've never had a manic episode in my life before then
>Put on 5 new meds for bipolar
>They do nothing except give me acne and make me gain weight
>Quit them a year later
>Everything gets better

Mental illness may exist, but psychiatrists sure are awful at diagnosing and treating them.

[Anonymous No.10626115]

Hate to break it to you guys but free will doesn't exist and everything you do, feel, and think is deterministic brain activity. Anything that severly hinders someone's life could be considered a "mental illness". If someone is faking mental health issues for attention, ironically that's a mental health issue.

[Anonymous No.10626129]

>>10622673
>mental illness

Everyone on this planet is mentally ill. Living a goal-less life and killing others to survive.

[Anonymous No.10626171]

>>10624010
Now you're just being retarded on purpose. Next you're going to claim that neuroscience is bullshit.

[Anonymous No.10626228]

>All these people who don't have a legit insane person in their family
My brother is schizoaffective and legit a loony.
You really can't know what it's like til you meet these people when they are at full tilt.

[Anonymous No.10626253]

>>10623389
BASED rare tedposter. We need more of this my man.