if "race" isn't a valid classification of humans is "breed"? surely the level of genetic difference between dog breeds is comparable to human "races" right?

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Anonymous Sat May 4 13:30:05 2019 No.10615955 [Reply] [Original]

if "race" isn't a valid classification of humans is "breed"? surely the level of genetic difference between dog breeds is comparable to human "races" right?

Anonymous Sat May 4 13:32:17 2019 No.10615964

Maybe we could actually discuss this if you /pol/shits didn't immediately use this as an excuse to go "IM NOT RACIST BUT NIGGERS ARE RETARDED SUBHUMANS, WAIT JEWS ARE AMATEUR THAN ME? ALSO SUBHUMANS"

If you were interested in anything but the above you're on the wrong site

>>	Anonymous Sat May 4 13:34:56 2019 No.10615977 >>10615964 what does /pol have to do with the genetic differences in dog breeds possibly being similar to humans? either it is or it is not.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 4 13:41:06 2019 No.10615994 >>10615977 Pol makes this thread on a daily basis, stop acting like you're oblivious to it. If you want to find out, there's plenty of threads in the archive with the same question you asked.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 4 13:42:34 2019 No.10615998 >>10615955 I keep hearing sub-species, but that sounds a little insulting. Race is the human category, use race.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 4 13:44:47 2019 No.10616010 >>10615955 No because dog breeds were artificially created by humans

Anonymous Sat May 4 13:45:16 2019 No.10616012

>>10615955
No, because a “breed” is something specifically engineered by artificial selection. If some psychopathic dictator in the far future bred a group of humans to be his slave soldiers, and they’re all like seven foot minimum and 300 pounds, they’d be a breed.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 4 13:46:24 2019 No.10616016 >>10615998 No definition of sub-species can be applied to humans without not applying or creating hundreds of them.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 4 13:46:57 2019 No.10616020 >>10616012 >>10616010 This has been done throughout history to countless populations, there are whole races who are essentially the product of soft selection by other more dominant groups and thus qualify as breeds.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 4 13:49:24 2019 No.10616037 >>10616020 Name five examples of “””races””” created by soft selection by others.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 4 13:52:10 2019 No.10616041 File: 815 KB, 1164x546, ymzeipty47e21.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10616037 jews "soft selecting" the whole planet to mix into one monorace population of mutts whites breeding traits in black slaves the caste system in india etc.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 4 13:52:41 2019 No.10616043 >>10616041 “jews "soft selecting" the whole planet to mix into one monorace population of mutts ” Oh sorry thought you were serious. Bye.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 4 13:54:11 2019 No.10616051 File: 120 KB, 500x515, i-think-there-is-a-resurgence-of-anti-semitism-because-at-17444336.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10616043 i am https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ERmOpZrKtw

>>	Anonymous Sat May 4 14:00:41 2019 No.10616067 >>10615955 How Victorian of you good chap.

Anonymous Sat May 4 14:04:03 2019 No.10616080

>>10616051
What the fuck you have against mutts anyways.

If anything these jews as you imagine them would be making a big mistake as you get a unified global racial identity after enough time. Would it not be more imperative to this hypothetical jews to have as many racial and cultural divisions as possible? Why would your imagined jews had humans to cohesive into a singular race that if they pissed off would as a racial collective would leave nowhere to go?

>>	Anonymous Sat May 4 14:04:51 2019 No.10616081 >>10616037 China, India, Jews, African Americans, Sparta

Anonymous Sat May 4 14:11:28 2019 No.10616096

>>10616081
“China”

Which ones? Han? Mongol? Cantonese? Miao? How were they “soft-selected” by anyone else to possess certain traits, and how are the results this of “soft selection” remotely comparable to the extreme divergence of dog breeds?

“India”

Which ones? They have thousands of ethnic groups, how have they been “soft selected” by anyone else, and how are the results of this selection remotely comparable to the extreme divergence of dog breeds?

>>	Anonymous Sat May 4 14:22:38 2019 No.10616114 >>10616041 >Mark Potok >google image That is one absolutely hideous looking white man. Looks like his face is all scrunched up like a 90 year old who lost all his teeth.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 4 14:24:48 2019 No.10616126 >>10616016 that is not the problem. The problem is that race is such a loose term and based on arbitrary phenotypical features that its rendering itself useless.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 4 14:26:03 2019 No.10616131 >>10615955 You have it backwards. There are no human breeds, but races. What trash thread. Sincere discussion of race belongs on /his/. The discussion of race that OP wants belongs on /pol/. Sage.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 4 14:27:57 2019 No.10616136 >>10616041 >>>/x/

>>	Anonymous Sat May 4 14:35:10 2019 No.10616147 >>10616131 >A discussion about race should be on /his/ This is a concession that it’s not biological.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 4 14:41:57 2019 No.10616159 >>10616147 It isn't entirely biological, no.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 4 14:48:41 2019 No.10616167 >>10616159 If any part was biological, it’d be a /sci/ topic.

Anonymous Sat May 4 14:49:05 2019 No.10616168

>>10616081
The transatlantic slave trade lasted ~300 years that's about 15 generations. In comparison bulldogs have been selectively bred since around 1600 (probably much longer that's just the first written references, bull baiting is much older.) That's over 210 generations. And slave owners definitely as a whole were no where near as serious about the whole thing as dog breeders.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 4 14:53:12 2019 No.10616182 >>10616167 So tell me what you know about the biology of race.

Anonymous Sat May 4 14:56:37 2019 No.10616187

>>10615955
>if "race" isn't a valid classification of humans
It's as valid as you want to make it. You can make infinitely simple and complex groupings of humans for data purposes, medical science does that all the time to identify those at higher risks of certain diseases and such. Everyone knows that the social constructionist, or reductionist arguments are just trying to invalidate one set of broad categorizations to disprove racists, sexists, etc. while ignoring the more complex groupings that have benefit, i.e. certain races having higher risk of heart disease which medicine uses to efficiently manage the statistical realities.

Anyway, the rest of that screencap is a bunch of strawman pseud nonsense. Add another worthless race-baiting thread to the pile.

Anonymous Sat May 4 15:00:50 2019 No.10616201
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>>10615955
genetic clusters is what modern genetics uses co classify humans, it basically boils down to races but rather more smeared out, just dont tell anyone as human biodiversity deniers are still a powerful political force

>>	Anonymous Sat May 4 15:03:00 2019 No.10616208 >>10616201 >human biodiversity deniers are still a powerful political force why do you think that is the case?

>>	Anonymous Sat May 4 15:04:56 2019 No.10616216 >>10616201 It's a gradient across one species with cultural cyborgs. We are ultimately a single species, if one are purple while others are yellow isn't all that relevant to that. The culture cyborg matters more.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 4 15:05:47 2019 No.10616218 >>10616208 Because literally anytime someone brings it up it's nothing but pseudoscience meant to justify ethnic cleansing.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 4 15:10:30 2019 No.10616234 >>10616218 Probably that's a big part of it, but I think there must be more to it than that.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 4 15:23:07 2019 No.10616252 File: 38 KB, 400x266, dachshund12.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10615955 More like "varieties" or "variants"

>>	Anonymous Sat May 4 15:32:51 2019 No.10616267 >>10616234 sorry i mean, BECAUSE THE EVIL JEWS ARE TRYING TO SUPPRESS THE TRUTH OF THE WHITE MASTER RACE THAT'S TOTALLY BASED ON SCIENCE OK,

>>	Anonymous Sat May 4 15:35:46 2019 No.10616272 >>10616267 ok so you think the one and only reason human biodiversity can't be discussed is because of racists. there is absolutely no economic reason behind it.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 4 15:38:45 2019 No.10616277 >>10616272 yeah i told you it's the evil jews suppressing the truth.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 4 15:41:50 2019 No.10616284 >>10616277 well now your continued sarcasm makes it just seem like you don't really want to have an honest discussion about this. its the racists. end of story. ok then

>>	Anonymous Sat May 4 15:43:16 2019 No.10616288 >>10616277 >>10616284 well I think theres more to it than just the "evil racists". I think there are powerful economic reasons why "human biodiversity" cannot be discussed in the open.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 4 15:44:03 2019 No.10616290 >>10616288 It can but people just want to use it as a tool to justify segregation.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 4 15:45:07 2019 No.10616294 >>10616288 well explain what you mean by "economic reasons" and please don't tell me it's (((((((economic reasons))))))))))

>>	Anonymous Sat May 4 15:48:02 2019 No.10616300 >>10616294 theres a lot of money to be made in many different industries through increased migration. in fact most business plans aren't even viable without continual population growth

>>	Anonymous Sat May 4 15:49:50 2019 No.10616307 >>10616234 it is just good old moral panic

>>	Anonymous Sat May 4 15:49:52 2019 No.10616308 >>10616300 explain how suppressing racial difference has any effect on this.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 4 15:50:52 2019 No.10616310 >>10616308 isnt it obvious?

>>	Anonymous Sat May 4 15:52:18 2019 No.10616313 >>10616310 No, it isn't. Nice job proving that this thread isn't, in fact, /sci/ related btw.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 4 15:52:25 2019 No.10616314 >>10616310 So basically if the glorious white master race finds out how dum dem niggers R they won't be allowed into the country and ((((they)))) can't sell them PS4s?

>>	Anonymous Sat May 4 15:55:00 2019 No.10616321 >>10616310 if everyone has equal abilities/needs/wants then its less costly to meet everyone's abilities/needs/wants.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 4 15:55:34 2019 No.10616322 >>10616314 yes, when racial intelligence differences are not denied anymore, it could lead to much more strict restrictions on immigration and thus impact some powerful business interests

>>	Anonymous Sat May 4 15:56:19 2019 No.10616324 >>10616322 glad we stopped pretending what this was about

>>	Anonymous Sat May 4 15:57:07 2019 No.10616327 >>10616313 it is very much related to biology, whether you consider that /sci/ depends on how much of a stem autist you are

>>	Anonymous Sat May 4 15:58:01 2019 No.10616331 >>10616310 if everyone has equal abilities/needs/wants then its less costly to meet everyone's abilities/needs/wants. if everyone has differing abilities/needs/wants then the system needs to expand to support a greater variety of abilites needs wants

>>	Anonymous Sat May 4 15:59:42 2019 No.10616336 >>10616331 >>10616321 ok but that does not even mean anything, learn to write coherently about the matter at hand please

>>	Anonymous Sat May 4 16:02:31 2019 No.10616341 >>10616336 >>10616294 western countries aren't providing the continual population growth that corporations need. so we bring in tonnes of foreigners who are "equal in every way" to make the population grow

>>	Anonymous Sat May 4 16:07:19 2019 No.10616349 >>10616341 >so we bring in tonnes of foreigners who are "equal in every way" to make the population grow You mean make the economy grow. In what way are they not equal by the way?

>>	Anonymous Sat May 4 16:10:31 2019 No.10616356 >>10616349 oh boy here come the IQ graphs

Anonymous Sat May 4 16:11:42 2019 No.10616361

>>10616349
>You mean make the economy grow.
Exactly!! I think you understand now. It's not just due to the evil racists, there are economic reasons "human biodiversity" cannot be discussed.

>In what way are they not equal by the way?
Nice race baiting btw... lol. skin color and cultural pracitices, for two. I don't care to go into any more detail because I'd have to be extremely careful right now to not open myself up to accusation of racism from the likes of you.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 4 16:14:39 2019 No.10616372 >>10616349 Check out this massively RACIST AND EVIL wikipedia page and seeth: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_ethnicity_in_the_NBA

>>	Anonymous Sat May 4 16:17:08 2019 No.10616378 >>10616372 Not a great case for banning immigration.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 4 16:18:52 2019 No.10616383 >>10616378 >case for banning immigration Why would you assume I'm making that case?

>>	Anonymous Sat May 4 16:20:08 2019 No.10616387 >>10616378 This whole conversation stemmed from this post >>10616201

>>	Anonymous Sat May 4 16:20:14 2019 No.10616388 >>10616383 >>10616341 >>10616349

>>	Anonymous Sat May 4 16:21:24 2019 No.10616392 >>10616388 why would you assume I'm against "the continual population growth that corporations need"?

>>	Anonymous Sat May 4 16:21:39 2019 No.10616393 Cro-Magnon vs. Neanderthal Cro-Magnon won, but modern Homo Sapien "races" are mostly varying admixtures of Neanderthal / Denisovans with Europeans being the highest percent Cro-Magnon at ~98%

>>	Anonymous Sat May 4 16:25:14 2019 No.10616403 >>10616392 >>10616288 >>10616341 Please be honest about what these posts are implying.

Anonymous Sat May 4 16:27:30 2019 No.10616411

>>10616388
Here are the first 4 links for a particular google search I did:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/modeledbehavior/2016/10/23/why-is-population-growth-good-for-businesses/#1325ce83297f
https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2016/11/economic-growth/506423/
https://www.theguardian.com/sustainable-business/blog/population-growth-resources-investment-opportunities
https://www.vox.com/a/new-economy-future/aging-population-slow-growth

Anonymous Sat May 4 16:28:19 2019 No.10616412

>>10615955
>There genetically aren't separate races.
This is a weird statement, because it's hard to prove or disprove, what is the criteria for separate? He never says.
He mentions that there is "no one trait you can use as a division between races" first of all this a strawman, but also there doesn't need to be, there is no one trait for any similar categories. Race, just like all categories, is something that the human mind projects onto the material world, call this a social construct if you want, but this doesn't mean that there is not a reason to believe in the validity of these groups.
What I think is a good criteria is if the different populations cluster into different genetic groups, and they clearly do.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20643205
there are tons more studies like this

>Human populations haven't been separated long enough for major differences to evolve.
Again, he never says what the criteria for a "major difference" is, what is and isn't major is all a matter of perspective. Not only that but time and genetic variation are two separate things, the amount of time really doesn't matter.

>Muh more variation within than between
This one made me laugh desu.
He threw out this stupid overused talking point and never elaborated on it. So what if there is more variation within than between? Does this change the fact that humans form different genetic clusters? No, so why bring it up?
And than he goes on to say that the more loci you use the more accurate information you'll get on someone's ancestors, again the only way to really respond to this is to ask; yeah, and? This doesn't matter at all, and you'll notice he never says why it should matter. Of course the more info you use the more accurate you're findings will be....

The rest of the post is just non arguments. The conclusion someone draws from information about genetic variation between human groups is irrelevant to the facts.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 4 16:29:32 2019 No.10616414 >>10616403 LOL subtle... Why don't you just go ahead and scream RACIST at me?

>>	Anonymous Sat May 4 16:31:46 2019 No.10616421 >>10616349 >In what way are they not equal by the way? lower average intelligence, unless we are talking about east asian immigrants

Anonymous Sat May 4 16:32:16 2019 No.10616423

>>10616414
You're implying immigration is only allowed in western nations because the general public doesn't know the truth about racial differences and the truth about how inferior these people are has to be suppressed by corporations to protect profit. All of this with no evidence whatsoever how is this anything but blatant racism?

>>	Anonymous Sat May 4 16:32:48 2019 No.10616425 >>10616421 also higher crime rates

>>	Anonymous Sat May 4 16:33:17 2019 No.10616428 >>10616423 >>10616414 If you want to talk about immigration please go to /pol/

>>	Anonymous Sat May 4 16:34:09 2019 No.10616430 Stop bumping this thread jesus fuck

>>	Anonymous Sat May 4 16:34:33 2019 No.10616431 This thread was moved to >>>/pol/212111959

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