baking soda and lemon can cure cancer.

[Anonymous No.10597404]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warburg_hypothesis

this guy received the nobel prize because he discovered you can cure cancer and most illness with baking soda.

Not /x/ shit because he got the 1931 nobel prize for this.
https://www.nobelprize.org/prizes/medicine/1931/warburg/biographical/

This discovery is ignored by the medical industry which is controlled by multibillion companies like Bayer and Nestle.

[Anonymous No.10597413]

>>10597404
Outdated hypothesis made by a brilliant man who used outdated technology and had access to outdated data.

He basically believed the difference in the metabolism was the cause of cancer, whereas today we know that the differences in cell metabolism are a result of mutations, which are the true source of cancer. If he lived today, he would probably retract/dispute his own hypothesis, realizing the new data/understanding of cancer we have today.

[Anonymous No.10597417]

>>10597413
Continuing research and interest
A large number of researchers have dedicated and are dedicating their efforts to the study of the Warburg effect that is intimately associated with the Warburg hypothesis. In oncology, the Warburg effect is the observation that most cancer cells predominantly produce energy by a high rate of glycolysis followed by lactic acid fermentation in the cytosol,[9][10] rather than by a comparatively low rate of glycolysis followed by oxidation of pyruvate in mitochondria as in most normal cells.[11][12][13]

In particular, almost 18,000 publications have been published on the matter of ATP and the Warburg effect in the period 2000 to 2015. Most of the functions of the Warburg Effect have been the object of study.[14] Thousands of publications claim to have determined its functions or causes.


Not disproven, and backed up by thousands of studies.

[Anonymous No.10597428]

>>10597417
The hypothesis that the difference in the metabolism is the CAUSE of cancer was disproven.

The observation that the difference in metabolism exists is a relevant and important discovery, and is therefore still studied by researchers. Did you not read the whole wikipedia page, or did you not comprehend it?

Also where did this guy say you can cure cancer with baking soda?

[Anonymous No.10597436]

>>10597428
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b7FgQKr8TLY

everything you learn in school is jewish crap.

[Anonymous No.10597449]

>>10597436
I learned that OP wasn't a faggot in school

[Anonymous No.10597466]

>>10597436
>Everything you learn in school is jewish crap
I study medical. There is a high incentive for medical researchers to be more honest than any other discipline, considering they can contribute to medicines and therapies that might save themselves or their relatives.

On the other hand, the people who aren't doing serious research and don't have major institutional support are often the ones taking advantage of ignorance and skepticism to sell you their snake oil and bullshit medicines.

Which is more likely to you, millions of researchers and doctors lying to you in unison, or a few hundred lying to you that those millions are lying to you.

>>10597449
Keked

Also, where is this baking soda shit? It wasn't mentioned in that video. Additionally, the mitochondria has its own DNA, so the idea that cancer might start there seems plausible to an extent. It seems like this is still an active scientific debate though, and not totally one-sided.

[Anonymous No.10597471]

>>10597466
https://www.commondreams.org/views/2017/07/24/how-food-and-drug-companies-ensure-we-get-sick-and-they-make-money

companies fund the research that claims the treatments they sell are safe or better than placebo.

some medication is literal placebo like cholestherol drugs.
others have multiple side effects.

Placebo is almost as good as most pills sell by jew companies that also sell the food that causes the dissease.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3655171/

[Anonymous No.10597492]

>>10597413
You are confusing causation and correlation.
It is just as likely the mutations happen AFTER aerobic respiration is damaged. It's unfortunate that the Warburg effect was interpreted to be a product of mutated respiration, because it has lead the industry on a wild goose chase. Mutagens as carcinogens is a implausible theory when we have a major source of respiration damage via glucose respiration. Humans are best served on ketones, as most animals are. Even herbivores are mostly fueled by fat oxidation, because their cecum provides most of their calories via bacteria which digest cellulose into short chain fatty acids.

The DNA damage associated with cancer is due to the normal repair mechanisms failing due to damaged respiration. Autophagy basically shuts down when you have abused your glucose metabolism.

[Anonymous No.10597495]

>>10597404
>CTRL-F "Baking soda" - 0 results
>CTRL-F "Lemon juice" - 0 results

He won the Nobel prize for characterizing a difference in the metabolism of cancer cells, which was big shit back in the 1920s before molecular biology was really even useful

That shit about baking soda and lemon juice curing cancer is just you editorializing

[Anonymous No.10597498]

>>10597471
You realize that the executives of pharma companies have relatives that die of cancer, right? It's not as if rich and influential people never get cancer. As far as conspiracies go, the idea that modern medical institutions and industry are holding back medical development to make money is a really half-assed and stupid one.

>https://www.commondreams.org/views/2017/07/24/how-food-and-drug-companies-ensure-we-get-sick-and-they-make-money
This one is basically just saying the food/agriculture industry in the US is fucked and encourages obesity. This is true, but it is also true that you can be healthy in the US without too much inconvenience if you make the effort as well.

>https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3655171/
This is basically saying that many milder pain/inflammation medicines aren't much better than placebos, and that the placebo effect is very powerful. This is true, but in no way invalidates the vast majority of pharmaceuticals. The paper doesn't even claim that at all.

"Because the placebo effect is part of the overall treatment effect our findings do not imply that placebos – even powerful placebos – should replace treatments. Rather, this study shows that patients will benefit if doctors exploit relatively powerful placebos either alone or as part of a therapeutic regime. A clear case where placebos might be used for clinical benefit is pain, where placebo effects are similar in magnitude to treatment effects. Meanwhile current ‘active’ treatments for pain such as non-steroidal anti-inflammatory drugs (NSAIDs) and occasional opiates [77] have questionable efficacy in the long term and common and well described adverse effects [78], [79]. On the other hand small relative placebo benefits may be not be merit allocation of scarce healthcare resources. Rational decisions about allocating resources to placebo interventions depends on the direct comparison of placebos and treatments provided in this study."

[Anonymous No.10597499]

>>10597417
>18000 publications on the matter of ATP and the Warburg effect

Yeah and none of them say that baking soda and lemon juice will cure cancer. You're being dishonest.

[Anonymous No.10597502]

>>10597498
(cont)
I know you have a short attention span, but at least try to read the full abstract, skim the procedure, and read the full conclusion when you read a paper.

[Anonymous No.10597504]

>>10597471
>companies
As in, the guys up top. As in, the greediest few dozen people that make all the money. Professors generally don't have ulterior motives, and in fact often end up as professors because they *want* to spread the truth (or discover it). If some bastard CEO decides to misrepresent a study for profit, that's on him and his corporation.

[Anonymous No.10597511]

>>10597499
>>10597504
why not eat the plant or drink a tea made from the plant directly over the pill if the plant directly has the same chemical?

[Anonymous No.10597515]

>>10597511
Because a plant is made of more than one chemical and, unlike pills, you can never be sure how much active drug you're getting.

[Anonymous No.10597516]

>>10597428
>The hypothesis that the difference in the metabolism is the CAUSE of cancer was disproven.
This isn't actually true though.

[Anonymous No.10597525]

>>10597511
Because you can control how much is in it?

A cup of coffee can have anywhere from 80-140mg of caffeine in it. How would you feel if taking your sleeping pill might come with double the dose?

[Anonymous No.10597528]

>>10597492
Alright, I stated in my post >>10597466 upon doing some more research that the claim that mutation starts in the mitochondria seems plausible. This still doesn't support your claim that baking soda cures cancer and the ENTIRE medical industry/academia is suppressing this knowledge.

Thanks for pointing me to an interesting concept though, in regards to the keto diets effects on cancer. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5842847/

>>10597504
There is a lot of overlap though. You will find professors with questionable ethics and grants from special interest groups.

You will find industry researchers who are focused on developing useful therapies and genuinely want to help people. Often these people come from academia.

[Anonymous No.10597529]

>>10597515
>>10597525
yes, because unlike drugs, a plant is also filled with vitamins, minerals, micronutrients, fibers, and dozens of other chemicals that has no side effect and has only health benefits for the illness.

I bet you nigger also thinks I can survive off fiber suplements and taking just a multivitamin, faggot.

[Anonymous No.10597534]

>>10597516
as stated in >>10597466 I retract this position. It seems my lack of background in oncology is showing. I am but a humble undergrad who does research and reads papers in my spare time for fun.

[Anonymous No.10597536]

>>10597529
yeah so take a pill and then eat a vegetable afterwards. then you get an exact dose of the actual active ingredient plus whatever crap you want from vegetables

there's literally no advantage to what you're suggesting

[Anonymous No.10597541]

>>10597529
Yeah, no one is saying you can't eat veggies too. Pills are just useful for shelf-life, dosing control, purity, manufacturability, and deliverability.

[Anonymous No.10597546]

>>10597528
Yeah, I'm not OP. No idea where he's getting baking soda and lemon juice from.

Cancer can only survive on anaerobic respiration (Warburg Effect)
How to actually kill cancer via starvation:
Get the majority of your ATP from ketones, ketones can only be metabolized aerobically, so cancer can't use them. Cancer also uses a huge amount of glucose as structural material to build new cells. So eliminate sources of glucose.
Use metformin or other drugs that lower blood glucose by blocking mTOR.
Go into hyperbaric oxygen chamber. Cancer can't survive in a highly oxygenated environment and the ROS will kill it, while healthy cells still have functioning mitochondria and will survive.

[Anonymous No.10597548]

>>10597536
>>10597541
most pills have side effects, some can literally fuck up other organs.

[Anonymous No.10597556]

>>10597546
>how to die from some combination of ketoacidosis and hypoglycemia

you can't just lower your blood glucose to zero and expect that it won't kill you - ketones are emergency fuel for brain cells during starvation. if you have 0mg/dL glucose you are a walking corpse.

[Anonymous No.10597558]

>>10597529
>chemicals that has no side effect
EVERY chemical that comes from a plant has a side-effect you dumb shit.

Also, I love pointing this out, some mood-stabilizing medications can knock a psychotic bipolar person right back into sanity and keep them there. This only works if the dosing is consistent but, so long as the med is physically tolerable to the patient, it almost always works.

[Anonymous No.10597561]

>>10597548
The same dose from plants would also have the same side effects. They are literally the same thing when dosed in the same amount. Pills are only more concentrated because there is an argument that the advantages of making it into a pill outweigh the side effects incurred.

>>10597546
Interesting. Before this thread I would have discounted this sort of stuff as quackery, but it seems to have some merit.

[Anonymous No.10597562]

>>10597548
yeah, the exact same side effects as a plant with an equal quantity of the active ingredient.

boil a bunch of pussy willow bark in a bucket and then drink the entire thing - you will die with the exact same side effects as downing three bottles of aspirin

[Anonymous No.10597567]

>>10597404
I should also get a nobel prize since I discovered rope can cure cancer and most illnesses
Just neck yourself OP

[Anonymous No.10597568]

>>10597558
>>10597561
>>10597562
https://anpa.asn.au/nutritional-medicine/

angry stem cucks that doesn't know about nutritional medicine.

[Anonymous No.10597569]

>>10597556
You can basically never get to 0mg/dL. And even with mTOR inhibitors you still make enough glucose via gluconeogenisis that the cells that need it will survive (which are only a very specific type of cell found in the brain, as every other cell can survive indefinitely without glucose metabolism.)

[Anonymous No.10597571]

>>10597561
>The same dose from plants would also have the same side effects
Many plants contain a cocktail of drugs that can augment or negate each other. You could extract the individual chemicals on your own without making a pill, but that would be absurdly difficult .

[Anonymous No.10597574]

>>10597568
naturopathy is pseudoscience and has no basis being funded by any public health system

stuff from plants that actually works isn't called 'naturopathy' it's just called medicine. we figured out that a compound from Pacific Yew could treat cancer, so we isolated it and made it into a drug called Taxol.

now that there's a synthesis for it, you don't actually have to cut down 100 yews to get a single dose for one person.

[Anonymous No.10597577]

>>10597569
>You can basically never get to 0mg/dL

yeah so your cancer cells won't be starved because they over-express glucose transporters.

[Anonymous No.10597582]

>>10597568
>Naturopathy is both an art and a science. Naturopaths are prevention medicine specialists. Today naturopaths use scientific evidence as well as traditional evidence in practice.

It's literally just dieticians and shit. I eat vegetables every day. Of course I know this shit already. Fuck off with your bullshit, everyone with decent parents knows to eat a balanced fucking diet.

[Anonymous No.10597584]

>>10597574
>getting the nutrients the body needs to self repair is pseudoscience
>changing your diet towards one that is mostly plant based and constantelly drink medical herbs has not medical effects on the body
>changing your diet and lifestyle has not effect on the body
>muh jew pills
ok retard.

>>10597582
yeah nigger, is just dietary medicine, which seem to have a protective effect on preventing illness.

[Anonymous No.10597585]

>>10597571
I know, I was just trying to make a point. Of course there will be many other interactions in the plant. All things considered equal though, you can experience side effects from the plant as well as the pill. And unless the pharmaceutical scientists AND FDA have done a miserable job, the pill will be better than the plant.

[Anonymous No.10597586]

>>10597584
>Eating shitty food makes you more likely to get sick

[Anonymous No.10597589]

OP has been brainwashed by Mercola.com or some other shitty pseudoscience factory.

[Anonymous No.10597590]

>>10597584
>>changing your diet towards one that is mostly plant based and constantelly drink medical herbs has not medical effects on the body

I hear nutmeg is a 'medicinal herb'. Do me a favor and eat about a kilo of it in one sitting.

Unless you're a starving African, you are getting enough nutrients to self-repair. I eat mostly hotpockets and mcdonalds and still heal when I get cut or scraped.

My long-term cardiovascular health is a different story but nobody is disputing that you should eat veggies. It's just not a substitute for actual medical care if you've got cancer or some shit.

[Anonymous No.10597592]

>>10597585
chemicals wont help the body to self repair, you need those nutrients the plant also has.

look up the effects of consuming fiber on the body.

>>10597586
apparently this is a secret knowledege taking into account those illness related to modern diets and fast food.

[Anonymous No.10597593]

>>10597584
>yeah nigger, is just dietary medicine, which seem to have a protective effect on preventing illness.

So how is that shit even relevant to a conversation on pharmaceuticals? Any pharmacist or researcher or medical professional is gonna say that a good diet comes first, then you use medicine to treat any conditions on top of that.

I don't even see why this needs to be called 'naturopathy' and have professionals practicing it. If you are paying those people, you're the one getting JEWED and you are getting JEWED hard. Eating a healthy diet should be obvious and can be googled by anyone.

[Anonymous No.10597594]

>>10597590
>>10597593
https://www.webmd.com/diet/features/missing-nutrients-in-your-food#1

most americans suffer from malnutrition.

[Anonymous No.10597597]

>>10597590
I know acute bronchitis can be contracted easily by those with terrible diets. Nutrition is even more important than doctors let on. That said, good post.

[Anonymous No.10597598]

>>10597594
Off topic. We're arguing the merits of pharmaceuticals here, and your stupid ideas about conspiracies. Of course Americans would benefit from getting better diets. If you care so much, you should go to a poor area and set up an event to teach people how to cook healthy delicious food cheaply and conveniently. Or join a likeminded organization.

[Anonymous No.10597599]

>>10597594
>WebMD
>modern medicine is a jewish conspiracy to poison you

pick your fucking position you sperg. you can't call medical science 'jew shit' and then cite the 'jews'

[Anonymous No.10597603]

>>10597597
I mean, that doesn't surprise me. Being stressed out is enough to weaken your immune system, so I wouldn't be surprised if burgers have a negative effect too.

[Anonymous No.10597605]

>>10597598
https://www.collective-evolution.com/2017/11/12/breaking-77th-holistic-doctor-shot-dead-in-her-az-home-with-her-entire-family/

because the guys that do that, get magically suicided for no reason.

trully a mistery.

>>10597599
shut up faggot.

look up who owns the pharmaceuticals.

[Anonymous No.10597610]

>>10597605
the cool thing about being a completely unsyndicated, fake news website is that you can claim shit like '76 other doctors have been shot dead' without listing any of them or citing anything whatsoever

I grew up in Phoenix. It's a big city - people get shot to death randomly. Down the street from me, there was a quadruple homicide because some guy got angry about his neighbor's dog barking.

[Anonymous No.10597614]

>>10597605
>look up who owns the pharmaceuticals.

yeah and WebMD, despite being kind of a shitty website, is operated by actual doctors working for actual medical clinics. so what business do you have citing them as evidence if you've decided the entire industry is evil?

[Anonymous No.10597617]

>>10597610
yes nigger, the mainstream industry will never lie to you.

>>10597614
they can't 100% lie everywhere.

[Anonymous No.10597621]

>if only you knew how bad things really are

[Anonymous No.10597622]

>>10597605
Look everyone, this retard thinks dieticians are getting assassinated for helping poor people

Keked.

https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/scottsdale-breaking/2017/11/11/police-identify-family-scottsdale-shooting/854957001/
sounds more like the husband got stressed or pissed and they had a domestic argument leading to a murder-suicide.

For reference, one of my professors at a major institution (billion dollar+ endowment) works with a charity to teach children nutrition in poor areas. Neither him nor his students have been killed or commited suicide yet. They've been at it for years.

[Anonymous No.10597623]

>>10597617
That headline looks like it was written by a retard more than a liar. Some people are malicious; most people are just incredibly stupid.

[Anonymous No.10597625]

>>10597617
>yes nigger, the mainstream industry will never lie to you.

is the picture supposed to be related to that? literally what does hillary clinton have to do with anything anyone has been talking about in this thread? are you actually retarded?

>they can't 100% lie everywhere.

in other words, the 2% of time they're telling the truth is when it just so happens to coincidentally overlap with all the bullshit that you believe?

[Anonymous No.10597626]

>>10597617
Congrats on being the most unintentionally funny post on the board right now. Even the most downright funny one.

[Anonymous No.10597631]

>>10597622
>>10597623
>>10597625
>>10597626
yes goy all those reports are clearly fake news.

see how hillary got 99% change to win across all major polls.

https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-34572482

yes, goy, let's ignore that placebos has been now even outpacing most drug trials and even people are now taking placebos to cure their illnesses.

yes goy, believe us, we could never lie to you.

[Anonymous No.10597632]

>>10597404

[Anonymous No.10597646]

>>10597631
let me get this straight: a bunch of pundits made spurious predictions about the 2016 election, so somehow that means that modern medical science is lying about everything? How do you even get from point A to B in that thought train?

>yes, goy, let's ignore that placebos has been now even outpacing most drug trials and even people are now taking placebos to cure their illnesses.

Imagine a medieval village where there's one blacksmith that makes swords. Every time the villagers bring him some ore, he crafts a brand new sword and tests how sharp it is by cutting into a straw dummy. Then, he cuts a dummy with a wooden sword. If the new sword does better than the wooden one, it's fit for sale.

Now pretend that the villagers have been mining so much ore that the mountain is basically empty. To find more they need to dig really deep, and oftentimes they just end up with rocks instead. So more and more often, when they bring 'ore' to the blacksmith, he makes a shitty sword that does no better than the wooden one.

Then some anon rolls up into town and says, "Hey, look, none of the blacksmith's new swords are as good as they used to be! Let's throw all our swords into the lake and start using the wooden ones, since they've done even better!" And so all the villagers throw their good, old steel swords into the town lake.

And then they all die from measles because this story is a metaphor for pharmaceutical drugs and how they're getting more costly to make.

[Anonymous No.10597652]

>>10597646
https://www.nhs.uk/news/medical-practice/survey-finds-97-of-gps-prescribe-placebos/

most pills on the market are placebos.

[Anonymous No.10597659]

>>10597652
>https://www.nhs.uk/news/medical-practice/survey-finds-97-of-gps-prescribe-placebos/

Literally part of that 97% in the study you're citing includes doctors that prescribe naturopathic and homeopathic treatments. You still feel right about citing that article?

Big thunk.

[Anonymous No.10597661]

>>10597652
That's not what that means at all. Can you even read English? It means that most general practitioners prescribe placebos. Not that they don't prescribe them in addition to working pills.

[Anonymous No.10597667]

>>10597659
>>10597661

https://www.livescience.com/42430-placebo-effect-half-of-drug-efficacy.html

I can keep posting news and articles all day long, faggots.

[Anonymous No.10597671]

>>10597667
>I can keep posting news and articles all day long, faggots.

evidently can't read them though

your last article described the thing you're trying to defend, naturopathy, as a placebo. Fake medicine.

all that article says is that medical doctors aren't behaving super ethically by prescribing bullshit like naturopathy that doesn't work. In which case, if that's the point you're trying to make, I'm in complete agreement.

[Anonymous No.10597675]

>>10597667
>>10597671
It's common practice for medical professionals to prescribe placebos since they are effective though. Whether this is ethical is up for debate. This in no way proves modern pharmaceuticals to be ineffective.

Essentially:
>Placebos are effective
>Modern pharmaceuticals are also effective

Literally not a point of argument, OP.

[Anonymous No.10597676]

>>10597671
https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2018/09/13/placebo-effect-works-by-affecting-brain-chemistry-circuitry.aspx

pills are literally not much better than placebos.

[Anonymous No.10597679]

>>10597675
so just taking tea of the same plant that has the chemical the pill is made would have the same effect than the pill, because of the placebo effect mixed with the chemical of the plant.

wow, I'm BTFO.

[Anonymous No.10597681]

>>10597676
I refuse to read Mercola because it is the single most unreliable website for science-based information on medical care

I won't open the link because it's unethical for me to give the man even $0.01 in ad revenue.

[Anonymous No.10597687]

>>10597679
If it is the same amount of chemical and the same bioavailability is achieved and there are no interactions with the other compounds in the plant and the active ingredient is not degraded, yes.

In which case, there would probably either not be a pill, or the plant would be significantly more expensive and probably worse for the environment than the pill. See >>10597574

[Anonymous No.10597696]

>>10597675
If by “common practice” you mean “severely illegal”, yeah sure.

[Anonymous No.10597698]

>>10597681
>>10597687
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5297475/

read this then.

herbal medicine has the same effects pills have on diverse illness.

It seems the body has self repair mechanism and doesn't need as concentrated quantities of the chemical.
It's logical to assume plants also have antioxidants and other nutrients which also seem to be important for the body to self repair.

glucosamine and chondroitin seems to be effective on ostoartritis because the body uses those to rebuilt the cartilage.

As such infections I believe could be treated by simply giving enough nutrition to your inmune system to just do what is designed.

[Anonymous No.10597703]

>>10597696
https://www.webmd.com/pain-management/news/20081023/50percent-of-doctors-give-fake-prescriptions#2
It's not illegal. The way doctors get the patient informed consent is to tell them that they will try a variety of different drugs, including a placebo. Then the doctors simply don't identify which one is the placebo, and use whatever makes the patient feel the best. It functions in much the same way that blind and double blind drug studies work.

[Anonymous No.10597714]

>>10597698
Antibiotics are usually produced as pills. They work consistently and doctors have incentive not to overprescribe them (treatment-resistant bacteria)

Also, plants contain toxins. Go eat some datura and see if your antioxidants help.

[Anonymous No.10597717]

>>10597714
yeah, but I was talking about non infectious disseases.

it seems infections are treated best with anti biotics.

[Anonymous No.10597720]

>>10597698
>https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5297475/

So the author's thesis here is basically that there are plant extracts that exhibit similar effects to pharmaceuticals in mouse models and cell culture.

The only study cited that takes place in /actual people/ is this:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4206007/

And that article makes no mention of plant extracts, so not sure why that was cited in the sentence about plant extracts treating artherosclerosis.

Did you read the part in the article where the author wrote:
>Patients or physicians should not engage in herbal usage
for complex conditions without knowledge.

>New or unproven remedies should be avoided.

Boom, your own article says that nobody should prescribe this shit.

[Anonymous No.10597730]

>>10597717
I made a post about bipolar disorder earlier. You might want to look into that further.

[Anonymous No.10597731]

>>10597720
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4032837/

herbal medicine seems to be legit and their recipes were discovered through trial and error for thousands of years.

[Anonymous No.10597734]

>>10597698

>glucosamine and chondroitin seems to be effective on ostoartritis because the body uses those to rebuilt the cartilage.
I don't doubt that there exist any useful herbal medicines. Just as there are some bad pharmaceuticals, there are some good herbal medicines. Although the case is often that herbal medicines discovered to be effective will very quickly have better pharmaceutical versions produced.

Generally, targeted pharmaceuticals and therapies at treating a condition are far more effective than pharmaceuticals that are just for allieviating pain and inflammation. If you want to skip pain meds and skip inflammation meds, more power to you. But if you skip modulators for genetic diseases, or aspirin for blood/heart conditions, or chemo for cancer treatment, you are being incredibly irresponsible.

>As such infections I believe could be treated by simply giving enough nutrition to your inmune system to just do what is designed.
Not a good idea. Please listen to your doctor and take some treatment for the disease if there exists one that will treat the underlying cause (eg. preventative vaccines, antibiotics)

[Anonymous No.10597739]

>>10597730
https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/nutritional-psychiatry-your-brain-on-food-201511168626

yes, because foods has not effect on the brain.

faggot.


>>10597734
I'm not denying that pharmaceuticals can't work.
I'm just telling you that I believe dietary changes and lifestyle changes are a more important factor in the regeneration of the body than just taking a pill but eating trash food and living a garbage lifestyle.

You wont really cure the dissease if you don't change your diet by example.
Change in diets has been shown to cure diabetes and obesity issues, by example.

[Anonymous No.10597740]

>>10597436
>everything you learn in school is jewish crap.
I'm an antisemite, so don't take it wrong, but Warburg was a half-Jew himself, so it's a weird thing to say in the context.

[Anonymous No.10597741]

>>10597731
>https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4032837/

What you have here is actually a really well-written and interesting article, and it doesn't claim anything about herbal medicine being 'legit'. What it actually talks about is the /screening/ of herbal medicines to figure out which ones work, so that you can isolate the compounds responsible for the effect to make pharmaceuticals. Basically the thing you were claiming was 'jew shit' about an hour ago.

Here's a great excerpt:
>A mass spectrometric compositional analysis of American, Chinese, and Korean ginseng, and Sanqi (notoginseng) revealed distinct “sterol ginsenoside” fingerprints, especially in the ratio between a triol, Rg1, and a diol, Rb1, the two most prevalent constituents, with the dominance of Rg1 leading to angiogenesis, but Rb1 exerting an opposing effect.

Wow, would you look at that? Actual scientists are concerned with /active ingredients/.

[Anonymous No.10597747]

>>10597739
Food is not enough to combat mania. Type I mania is debilitating to the point that someone in the throes of an episode cannot reasonably be expected to follow such a complex regimen. Hell, bipolar people can lose significant weight while manic because they simply don’t eat.

[Anonymous No.10597753]

>>10597741
>>10597747
I just told you that most illnesses that aren't infections or really fucked up genetic dissease can be treated with dietary changes as to give the body the nutrients it needs to self repair.

You can drink teas of medical herbs to clean your blood and kidney and will have a similar effect than pills.

The effect would be better with the plants because they also have other nutrients, antioxidants and other stuff that also are important not just for that specific illness but also has an holistic effect on several organs.

[Anonymous No.10597761]

>>10597753
>You can drink teas of medical herbs to clean your blood and kidney and will have a similar effect than pills.

A big part of the naturopath's lingo is about 'clearing toxins' but you guys never actually specify which ones you're talking about.

>The effect would be better with the plants because they also have other nutrients, antioxidants and other stuff that also are important not just for that specific illness but also has an holistic effect on several organs.

Again, let's say you have a plant that treats a disease because it contains compound X. Because of the fact that it's a plant and not a pill designed to be consumed by a human being, it makes however much of compound X it wants, which in some plants can be a huge amount of variance.

There are tons of diseases where having your dosage of medicine fluctuate at random will literally kill you. To name a few: antibiotics for sepsis, beta blockers for heart defects, insulin for diabetics, birth control for a mormon girl

[Anonymous No.10597771]

>>10597753
And I'm telling you it's impossible to "repair" a bipolar mind, especially not through tweaking one's diet. The disorder is common enough that the prospect of a long-lasting treatment has been researched exhaustively. Electroconvulsive therapy is somewhat promising, but you nonetheless can't make a bipolar mind non-bipolar. You. Can't.

[Anonymous No.10597780]

>>10597739
>I'm not denying that pharmaceuticals can't work.
Okay, well at the top you were claiming that a cure to cancer already exists and that the entire pharmaceutical industry is corrupt enough to hide it.

>I believe dietary changes and lifestyle changes are a more important factor in the regeneration of the body than just taking a pill but eating trash food and living a garbage lifestyle.
Well, if that is your stance, you should have said so in your original post instead of spewing a conspiracy theory and defensively linking >>>x. I am sure a lot of people in the pharmaceutical industry itself agree with this sentiment. I certainly do. It is nothing groundbreaking.

[Anonymous No.10597783]

>>10597761
>birth control for a mormon girl
hoho I get it

[Anonymous No.10597789]

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.........................................REMINDER........................................

THIS OP IS A NOTORIOUS COLOMBIAN SCHIZOPHRENIC
/POL/TARD WHO IS OBSESSED WITH COLOMBIA/WHITENESS
POSTING DOZENS OF BAITS LIKE THIS ON /INT/ EVERY DAY
TO ATTRACT WHITE PEOPLE TO HIS HELLHOLE COUNTRY
HE IS NOT A SANE MAN HE IS AN ANGRY 28 YEAR OLD VIRGIN
AND ONLINE STALKER/HARRASER NAMED CRISTIAN CERON
YOU CANNOT EXPECT A COHERENT RESPONSE FROM HIM
DO NOT REPLY TO THIS THREAD AND JUST LEAVE HIM ALONE
WHAT HE NEEDS IS NOT A REPLY BUT MEDICAL TREATMENT

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[Anonymous No.10597791]

>>10597789
>28 YEAR OLD
the pasta is a little outdated by now

[Anonymous No.10597793]

>>10597789
I'm not seeing any word salad, so I'm gonna go with "unspecified personality disorder" over schizophrenia. No clue what's up with you though.

Also don't shame angry 28-year-old virgins >:(

[Anonymous No.10597800]

>>10597793
trust me, he IS schizo, he is been medicated since childhood though, he always does this on EVERY board
he is probable laughing at you all 100% thinking he is right

and honestly, lol

[Anonymous No.10597813]

>>10597793
it's pasta, but it's true
the op was unironically diagnosed with schizophrenia according to himself, and lives off neetbux from the colombian government due to it
he spends all day watching conspiracy videos """"ironically"""" and wants to be a gamedev
this is his latest masterpiece (listen with headphones on, and try not to laugh)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hoPO5vhw2rs

[Anonymous No.10597818]

This is his voice btw
https://vocaroo.com/i/s1LsuiDQeysG

[Anonymous No.10598075]

>>10597404