/sci/ - Science & Math

[Anonymous No.10563653]

What is the great filter /his/?

[Anonymous No.10563654]

>>10563653
Laughing at poop jokes unironically

[Anonymous No.10563655]

>>10563653
OP.

[Anonymous No.10563656]

“Infinite” energy through a renewable source

[Anonymous No.10563657]

>>10563653
Having a constant, tangable outside threat to unify a group and all of its proles. We have nothing like that right now on earth. By the time climate change gets to that stage it'll be too late to stop it.

[Anonymous No.10563658]

>>10563653
melanin

[Anonymous No.10563659]

>>10563653
Society.

[Anonymous No.10563660]

>>10563653
The wastness of space and the hard rules of physics. Really nothing can travel faster than light and work arounds like folding spacetime are not possible. Advanced lifeforms are very rare and live thousands of lightyears apart, which means they will probably never be able to even send messages to each other, let alone probes or ships. Civilizations will most likely stay isolated because the distances are too big and space travel is too slow.

[Anonymous No.10563661]

>>10563653
We are.

[Anonymous No.10563662]

>>10563660
>Advanced lifeforms are very rare and live thousands of lightyears apart
Wow it's like I'm really on /x/!

[Anonymous No.10563663]

communism

[Anonymous No.10563664]

>>10563660
bet you believe the ice walls too

[Anonymous No.10563665]

>>10563653
Instantaneous interstellar travel. AKA stargates/wormholes. If we can portal to another part of the universe by bending spacetime without creating an infinitely dense singularity, we can collect virtually and resource without expending a shitton of energy to get it.

[Anonymous No.10563666]

>>10563653
The universe is kind of young. Gamma ray bursts and other such cosmic events that can wipe out life on whole planets in instants become less and less frequent as the universe cools. Most life hasn't happened yet.

[Anonymous No.10563667]

>>10563666
>Most life hasn't happened yet.
Oh please tell me more God!

[Anonymous No.10563668]

>>10563653
Are you assuming that these filters will necessarily destroy civilizations and not just bonk them down a few levels, pushing them back into primacy and forcing the inhabitants to rebuild over and over again?

[Anonymous No.10563669]

>>10563660
>Nothing travels FTL

Well we have non-local interactions as well you know. They aren't FTL but the effect is sort of similar.

[Anonymous No.10563670]

>>10563665
Yes and once you have all the resources you need it is time to expand from your pláne or planets: all life, if they have ideal conditions and the space to do so have the urge to spread itself. If a specieces achieved this they would start to colonize the rest of the universe, eventually meeting us. Or if not colonizing, they would just use their infinite resources to indulge their couriosity and Explorer alien races.

Since aliens never contacted us we can assume that wornholes etc. don't exist.

[Anonymous No.10563671]

>>10563670
What if our universe is just one of the infinitely many "island" universes in a sea of chaos?

[Anonymous No.10563672]

still at the mercy of the planet, weather and other life forms for too long

[Anonymous No.10563673]

>>10563667
There'll still be main sequence stars for about 100 trillion years. The universe isn't even ready for it's quinzinera (in the order of billions of years) party. It's really still a baby. The more massive stars, the ones more likely to blow up with the stuff around them will die out first. The universe will continue to move into a lower energy-density state.

[Anonymous No.10563674]

>>10563671
>"island" universes in a sea of chaos
>sea of chaos
If the things we consider fundamental constants happened to really be local properties (for a very big local, still) then everything goes out the window and a nonsense answer to "what is beyond our universe" is just as good as a a thought-out answer.

[Anonymous No.10563675]

>>10563653
There's what, like less than a dozen of yellow dwarf stars in the nearest stellar space?
My bet is on the most boring explanation: the nearest space-faring aylmao civilization is just very far to us.
Our signal either haven't reached them yet, or they're still not sure whether to answer us or not, or their answer hasn't reached us yet.
I think eventually we'll find some proof of alien civilizations existing somewhere too far for our technology to reach, and for a long time (200-300 years) it will be that. Just trying to commuicate across cosmic distances and decade-long latencies.
It will be exciting, but painstakingly slow. Will probably take some 100 years just to find a way to transmit and recieve meaningful information.

[Anonymous No.10563676]

i hope we meet aliens one day because learning about a complete different history of a completely different planet would be one of the coolest things imaginable.

[Anonymous No.10563677]

>>10563675
>1000 years waiting for response
>"i showed you my dick answer me"

[Anonymous No.10563678]

Waifu being made real in virtual reality or alternate dimension, therefore no need to advance further.

[Anonymous No.10563679]

niggers

[Anonymous No.10563680]

>>10563653
When selection goes from environmental and natural to artificial and self-made.
For example, before society only the fittest and strongest could survive and pass on their genes, if we can construct a society where that is done as well then evolution would favor positive characteristics and we'd enter a new age.

[Anonymous No.10563681]

>>10563653
"We don't know" is the only reasonably accurate answer to that question. Fermi's question of "so where are they?" was a slap in the face and a wake up call to a society which was used to thinking of life as this resilient thing that fills in every niche that it can squeeze itself into. What we do know is that if intelligent, spacefaring life was common, we'd have almost certainly seen the signs of it.

The giant honking question at the moment is whether or not the filter lies behind us in history, or ahead of us.

If it's behind us: great! We are a truly special and unique aspect of the universe. Maybe rocky planets like Earth are rare. Maybe the precise alignment of planetary chemistry and magnetics, geologic/tectonic activity, gravitationally stabilizing moon, distance from the sun create conditions which are 1 in a Billion Billion Billion, and Earth is the only planet in the entire freaking local group with life more advanced than primitive archaea. The universe is our pure, virginal waifu, just waiting for us to come out of our basement and seed her with our offspring.

If the filter is in front of us, that's horrifying news. We are not special, we are just another flash in the pan smudge of pink goo that is rapidly growing to consume all its locally available resources before dying out when they run out of resources to blow on frivolities like race wars or the space races. The challenges are simply too great, the costs too high, the pay off just not there to make intelligent life viable in the long term. Or maybe there's something inherent in mastering the forces electromagnetism that kills its users every-time, like nuclear weapons or sex robots. In this scenario, the universe is a used up slut who treats us like just another swaggering cock, to be momentarily enjoyed and then discarded.

[Anonymous No.10563682]

>>10563660
>Implying the Alcubierre drive won't be the equivalent to the discovery of deep ocean sailing when we discover how to create negative gravitational masses and contained artificial micro-black holes in a safe and reliable way

I will be the conquistador of the stars!

[Anonymous No.10563683]

>>10563666
What if the reason we haven't found aliens yet is because we are the first sentient species in the universe and the others just haven't come along yet?

[Anonymous No.10563684]

>>10563683
Or they all died off a long time ago.

[Anonymous No.10563685]

>>10563668
That's happened a lot already desu. However in the last 70 years we have essentially had the ability in more ways that one to irreparably damage or even eradicate our own species. Honestly, just existing in the atomic age is already evidence we are currently dealing with a potential great filter right now.

[Anonymous No.10563686]

>>10563680
That's dumb, we already have CRISPR and uae it to cure disbility prenatally. Future generation will be healthier, smarter and more capable thanks to genetic engineering.

[Anonymous No.10563687]

>>10563653
the great pleb filter of civilization is to realize that civilization is ultimately pointless if not detrimental to humanity and that we were better off as loose hunter gatherer societies. Self destruct humanity back into the stone age.

[Anonymous No.10563688]

>>10563675
You know this reminds me of something I was thinking about a while ago.

Say hypothetically Mars was green and supported life for billions of years alongside earth and had a civilization of sentient creatures on it at the same time as humans. We would have had telescopes to see them and realize there was a sentient race of beings on its surface for hundreds of years, and they would probably too but have no ability to reach each other or contact each other. It would just be a really uncomfortable, awkward few centuries of starring at each other and wondering what the other side was thinking about us...

[Anonymous No.10563689]

>>10563653
It’s the filter i use to avoid posts on this board including ww2 the holocaust or the Alamo

[Anonymous No.10563690]

>>10563682
Alcubierre drive is a meme. Once they started hammering down the details they realized how freaking impractical something like that would be.

You'd have to flash convert the mass of Jupiter into energy in order to generate a bubble large enough for a spaceship.
The interior of the bubble heats up to Planck temperatures, cooking anything inside of the bubble into a quark-gluon plasma.
You can't see through the bubble, you can't steer the bubble, you can't control the bubble, you can't tell it to stop.

Space is not an ocean, it's its own thing with its own circumstances, the largest ocean is insignificant by comparison. It's more likely that we will adapt ourselves to the rigors of space travel rather than find some workaround in the laws of physics. Our AI descendants with billion-year-long lifespans, for example, probably wouldn't mind the 15,000 year trip to somewhere more interesting than our boring little backwater.

[Anonymous No.10563691]

>>10563680
>before society only the fittest and strongest could survive and pass on their genes
I hate this brainlet interpretation of evolution. The MOST SUITED TO THE ENVIRONMENT survives and passes on its genes. THE MOST ADAPTABLE survive and pass on their genes. Neanderthals were much stronger and bulkier than homo sapiens, but this meant they never had to develop the advanced projectile technology our hunter gatherer ancestors did and went extinct

Strong =/= Success and it never has been that way as an exclusive rule of thumb in every scenario.

[Anonymous No.10563692]

>>10563682
mhm, just have to figure how to withstand the millions of C° generated in the process.

[Anonymous No.10563693]

>>10563683
The universe is in an age where its not as busy anymore as it used to be.
Formation of stars and other bodies in the past happened way more often.
You also had frequent blasts of radiation shoot through the wings of galaxies exterminating everything that could potentially be life.
The idea of us being early worms is not unlikely, maybe even too early, who knows.

[Anonymous No.10563694]

>>10563690
>You'd have to flash convert the mass of Jupiter into energy in order to generate a bubble large enough for a spaceship.
If we learn to effectively control sub-atomic particles this wouldn't be an issue with concentrated fusion reactions
>The interior of the bubble heats up to Planck temperatures, cooking anything inside of the bubble into a quark-gluon plasma.
Heat is transferred either through infrared radiation or through conducted through matter and both of these can hypothetically be controlled like they are using magnetic fields and bettering vacuum technology to try to achieve controlled nuclear fusion right now
>You can't see through the bubble, you can't steer the bubble, you can't control the bubble
Plot the trajectory before travelling the distance
>you can't tell it to stop.
This is potentially the biggest obstacle, but if you can create it, you can uncreate it or transfer it into a more inert state where it doesn't have the same properties. It's far off but not impossible
>Space is not an ocean
It's essentially a 3D ocean and we can adapt to the changes.

[Anonymous No.10563695]

>>10563688
Think for a moment how unlikely that would be on an evolutionary timescale.

100,000 years is nothing on the scale of life on Earth, barely even a drop in the bucket. Imagine a penny sitting on top of the Empire State Building, and you have a sense for how long humans have had agriculture with respect to the rest of the history of life on Earth.

However if one civilization was 100,000 years more advanced, they'd master space-flight and travel to the other planet and find primitives still barely past their ape years. One side would be like star-gods to the other.

If we did find ourselves in your scenario, the task at hand would be getting together with this other planet and then working together to figure out who put us there at the same time.

[Anonymous No.10563696]

>>10563688
We could probably manage a working language together.

Cryptography would probably be the first interplanetary business. You could relay enemy positions to an ally in another world and he'd return the favor in turn. You'd never actually have an opportunity to fight each other, so you'd be natural allies.

Later, you could exchange science and technology.

And with communications technology of the late 20th century, there could even be an interplanetary entertainment agency.

You could be playing chess, with a minimum 13 minutes between moves (26 minutes between the moves of the same player).

[Anonymous No.10563697]

>>10563653
There is no filter. The obsession with exploration and colonization is a uniquely Western phenomenon. That's why our civilization discovered and colonized the world, not Rome, India, or China. Not only is space travel extremely costly and dangerous, which alone would easily retard any attempts at exploring space, any alien life would need to develop a culture that values exploration for exploration's sake like ours does. On top of that, intelligent life itself is extremely complex and it took almost half the lifetime of the universe for it to appear on Earth. There is no Fermi paradox or great filter for these reasons. They say we know more about space than our own oceans; that's only because there's nothing out there.

[Anonymous No.10563698]

>>10563695
Dont be ridicolous, the first thing we would do is build a big enough trebuchet to hit them.

[Anonymous No.10563699]

Either >>10563668 or no FTL. The whole complaint/theory regarding the absence of radio communication is a load of nonsense. We've been looking for basically 100 years give or take. If radio communications can linger long after their projection then I am mistaken, but if not then it means we're having a temper tantrum that >>10563681 this piddly ass blue dot hasn't had anyone hear us. For all we know the radio broadcasts could catastrophically decay/be blocked by some interstellar phenomenon we don't know of. So unless the radio waves stay out long after the fact we'd have to count on someone's message having the serendipity of reaching us in a 100 year window.

There's definitely life out there, but we might be the only intelligent species in our galaxy. Not the universe, I am sure there are others out there.

[Anonymous No.10563700]

>>10563653
Nationalism

[Anonymous No.10563701]

>>10563697
Complete and utter bull. Humans spread to the whole world before the Age of Sail, sometimes even crossing high sea without sailboats (otherwise Australia wouldn't be populated), and you say until westerners came along there was no impetus to explore or colonize?

Even your examples are horseshit. Rome sent explorers to Subsaharan Africa, going near Timbuktu. Chinese sailors went as far as Egypt and Ethiopia. And what is "westerner" in this sense? Scandinavians reached north america and even tried to settle it much before west europeans like the portuguese and the spanish but they were lagging behind those for centuries after on the area of exploration/colonization, so it clearly wasn't a stable or contiguous characteristic of european peoples.

[Anonymous No.10563702]

>>10563694
>If we learn to effectively control sub-atomic particles this wouldn't be an issue with concentrated fusion reactions
That doesn't change the fact that you are talking about truly absurd amounts of energy, not anything that's going to be available to humans any time soon, or even any time in the next 10,000 years.

>Heat is transferred either through infrared radiation
Except that the heat being generated inside of the bubble is due to Hawking radiation, so who knows what its properties will be? Either way, you're still talking about temperatures far higher than the ones that are present during atomic fusion

>Plot the trajectory before travelling the distance
Except of, course, you can't tell it to stop so have fun roasting whatever you pointed your bubble at with gamma radiation before plowing right through it.

>It's essentially a 3D ocean and we can adapt to the changes.
It essentially is not. Air and water are both substances that flow and it was a relatively simple process for us to make vessels which take advantage of those fundamental electromagnetic properties without having to expend stupefying amounts of energy. Space is a vacuum, the scale is unimaginably vastly larger, the distances between interacting objects far greater, the influence of electromagnetism is strictly localized and gravity plays a larger role on these scales. Humans are creatures adapted to life on Earth. In space, robotic life is better suited, so it will not be us, it will be our descendent species colonizing the universe.

[Anonymous No.10563703]

The great filter might unironically be capitalism. The constant, rapid growth that it requires and that is explicit in the logic of market interactions is a driver of overconsumption and inefficient resource use, both depleting our resources and driving climate change.

[Anonymous No.10563704]

>>10563696
>tfw we could be shitposting with martians in this reality
Fuck we are in a shit timeline

[Anonymous No.10563705]

>>10563701
And how do hunter gatherer migrations fit into exploring space? Or the creation of colonial empires? Outlying explorers from other civilization don't matter at all in the grand scheme of things. Western civilization spread its influence and power across the entire world when no other civilization in history even attempted to do so, and thus is the only human civilization capable of dreaming of claiming space.

[Anonymous No.10563706]

>>10563700
Unironically this.

[Anonymous No.10563707]

>>10563660
The odds are still in favor of us being in SOMEONE'S radio shell.

[Anonymous No.10563708]

>>10563702
>That doesn't change the fact that you are talking about truly absurd amounts of energy, not anything that's going to be available to humans any time soon, or even any time in the next 10,000 years.
Still possible. We just aren't a type 1/2/3 civ yet
>Except that the heat being generated inside of the bubble is due to Hawking radiation, so who knows what its properties will be? Either way, you're still talking about temperatures far higher than the ones that are present during atomic fusion
iirc Hawking Radiation is just X-rays to not to different in general principle
>you can't tell it to stop
Addressed this already
>Humans are creatures adapted to life on Earth. In space, robotic life is better suited
Transhumanism.png

[Anonymous No.10563709]

>>10563662
cringe

[Anonymous No.10563710]

>>10563708
>Still possible. We just aren't a type 1/2/3 civ yet
It's just never going to be like Star Trek, and possibly too impractical to ever really be useful

>iirc Hawking Radiation is just X-rays to not to different in general principle
Except for trying to contain something so hot it strips matter down to its constituent quarks

>Addressed this already
Did you, though?

>Transhumanism.png
If this technology is even remotely feasible, it won't be any time soon

[Anonymous No.10563711]

psychological barriers to type three civilizations:
>>10563659
reconciling the individual with society.

technological barriers:
similar to nuclear power, we work the energies and forces in such vast amounts that they can wipe out entire swathes of existance if you fuck up.
i figure this is going to be either messing with such a high amount of gravity we risk creating blackholes, or we mess around with high energy fusion that we burn the sky, or blow up the earth or something like that.

perceptual barriers:
i ability to comprehened or percieve higher dimensions, also certain attachments to human form or human pride.

[Anonymous No.10563712]

>>10563691
Even that is not really how evolution works. Traits survive if they get passed on enough. It can be because they make you better at surviving/breeding, but it can also just be random. Or the trait is just more dominant, so it gets passed on more even though some kind of recessive trait actually gives you slightly higher odds of surviving.

[Anonymous No.10563713]

>>10563686
Why would that be dumb? You're basically saying that we'll pass the filter, not that that isn't the filter.
>>10563691
And the most suited to the environment were the stronger and fitter of humans.

[Anonymous No.10563714]

>>10563673
>There'll still be main sequence stars for about 100 trillion years.
Uhm, no sweetie. Current models expect the heat death of universe in 20 bilion years.

[Anonymous No.10563715]

>>10563705
Exploration is an evolutionary impetus shared by many mammals. It opens organism up to the possibility of new mates, new prey, new watering holes, etc. It is widely distributed.

>Western civilization spread its influence and power across the entire world when no other civilization in history even attempted to do so
Lots of civilizations were expansionist. The reason they didn't isn't because they were less curious or agressive, but because they didn't have the body of science and technology, the internal stability, the finnances, or the geographic position to do so. It isn't a freak ocurrence that Age of Sail started in the 15th century, when knowledge of the far east's wealth was well established, and westerners didn't replace the europeans that were there before the age of sail. It isn't a coincidence that the first explorers were iberians AFTER they had concluded the Reconquista and could then turn outward safely. It isn't a coincidence that the the first explorers were end-users of luxury goods of the far east, who had atlantic access, rather than the middlemen (Italians, Muslims, Mongols) that profited from interfacing between the far east and the distant atlantid nations.

The age of discovery started where it started and when it started, and not elsewhere or elsewhen, because of a frutuitous conjucture or capacity and motive that didn't align elsewhere.

[Anonymous No.10563716]

>>10563710
We are talking about hypothetical, of course it's not soon. And I addressed it in saying we could somehow manipulate it to become neutral/inert when necessary.

[Anonymous No.10563717]

>>10563653
>our space race ended with the cold war
>communism couldn't compete witj capitalism and the latter became dominant on the whole globe
>no more serious funding for space related projects because there is no profit to be made from that
>alien civs could have went the same way
>yfw capitalism is the great filter

[Anonymous No.10563718]

>>10563713
>Stronger and fitter
>Not more intelligent
You stronger than these lads?

[Anonymous No.10563719]

>>10563699
Civilised human life capable of sending radio transmissions has only lasted a tiny short time. Humans have only b existed for a tiny tiny tiny fraction of the life span of the universe. The chances of another civilisation occurring, being able to send or recieve radio transmissions and being in the same locality must be multiplied by the chance of multicellular life occurring in the first place.

[Anonymous No.10563720]

>>10563714
Google says it's 10^100 years actually.

[Anonymous No.10563721]

>>10563718
I'm sure they're relatively smart in their own environment.

[Anonymous No.10563722]

>>10563699
>but if not then it means we're having a temper tantrum that >>10563681 (You)
Are you socially retarded or something? The answer is "we don't know", and no amount of speculation on your part is going to change that

[Anonymous No.10563723]

Phosphorus scarcity (it pretty much requires a kilonova), developing multicellular life stage before a meteor fucks it (which ties in with environmental stability, ours' is extremely stable), and biological capacity for industrialization.

You think most aliens that become agrarian are actually fully sapient? IMO Most of the species that would occupy our premodern niche are either some 50 IQ herbivores like elephant analogs that till the earth or eusocial hive drones that would need another 10-30 million years to reach the level of homo. Before that happens a meteor strikes, climate shifts or a huge volcano erupts and resets the timer back to simpler life forms.

Humans are extreme outliers in their own planet: tree dwelling fruit eaters turned grassland persistence hunters. So big brains from fruit quickly growing even bigger from meat consumption, high stamina from hunting but still capable of eating plant matter, seeds even. If we turned out to be ambush predators for example by now civilization would probably be in the shitter still, waiting for a cataclysm to take us out.

I don't actually think technology will be the great filter for most species, it may be for us tho.

[Anonymous No.10563724]

>>10563714
More like10 to the power of 100 years

[Anonymous No.10563725]

>>10563723

PS And why is this asked on /his/? People here doin't know the 1st thing about biology.

[Anonymous No.10563726]

>>10563653
Goyim

[Anonymous No.10563727]

>>10563715
>Lots of civilizations were expansionist.
Only in their cultural regions. The Qin Empire, Roman Empire, Maurya Empire, etc dominated their respective cultural regions and not much further than that. The British and Spanish created vast colonial empires in uncharted lands, unlike the aforementioned empires that only became hegemons of their cultural regions.

>It isn't a freak ocurrence that Age of Sail started in the 15th century
You are right, it only occurred when Western civilization developed the want to look across the ocean with wonder that the Romans never could have had.

>It isn't a coincidence that the first explorers were iberians AFTER they had concluded the Reconquista
Yes it is. It could easily have been the French, as Columbus was considering undertaking his journey for the French crown. But he went with the Spanish, and so it was the Spanish that shaped Western colonialism as we know it.

>The age of discovery started where it started and when it started, and not elsewhere or elsewhen, because of a frutuitous conjucture or capacity and motive that didn't align elsewhere.
As I've said it could have been the French instead of the Spanish that first colonized the Americas, and this is no coincidence. The Western idea of exploration had formed around that time and Western states were eager to satisfy it.

[Anonymous No.10563728]

Virtual reality. What is the point of exploring the space when you can have a perfect world built by neurobots inside your brain?

[Anonymous No.10563729]

>>10563723

PS2 another thing I failed to mention and its important: there is no guarantee the aliens would ever reach sapience. If you consider termites or farmer ants they do just fine within their own narrow context and won't develop intelligence even if you macrosized them and waited a billion years.

They occupy the niche and keep other species out tho.

[Anonymous No.10563730]

>>10563728

You will run out of processing power and silicon so you'll want to send data banks with your digitalized guys inside of them to found new servers around other stars.

People will want to do everything they can, including having children and being immortal. Even in virtual reality.

[Anonymous No.10563731]

>>10563660
This is bullshit a human level civilization would create a Super intelligence that can make scientific breakthroughts that would take meat beings thousands of years to accomplish allowing them to circumvent the speed of light and move interstellar distances.

[Anonymous No.10563732]

>>10563653
More advanced subspecies get destroyed by the dumber ones.

Happening right now as we speak.

[Anonymous No.10563733]

>>10563714
The normies of the cosmic scale, the red dwarfs can live trillions. The universe is so young not even the oldest of them can be considered "old" for their kind.

[Anonymous No.10563734]

>>10563728
You know whats better than a fake reality? Controlling reality itself. Any smart race would also probably remove hedonistic stupidity this sort of thinking as well from them allowing them to become hyper efficient.

[Anonymous No.10563735]

>>10563714
The universe dies in 10^232 years actually.

[Anonymous No.10563736]

>>10563723
Honestly, considering dolphins and whales are shown to be nearly as smart as us, have complex social hierarchies, their own languages and accents and are effectively near sapien levels of intellect, the biggest thing that allowed us to be where we are is hands and opposable thumbs. Knowledge that can't be applied is trivia and being able to manipulate the world around you in such intriquite and refined ways we can is a HUGE advantage. Honestly, the next creature in line able to do what humans haven would probably be cephalopods due to their intelligence, but also being able to grab and manipulate their environment around them like us. Squids will inherit the earth when we are gone.

[Anonymous No.10563737]

The timescale of the Universe
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uD4izuDMUQA&t=1396s

tl;dr our universe on the scale of a human life span is still in the womb and will spend the overwhelming majority of its existence as a cold, dark collection of black holes flying away from each other at speeds faster than light

[Anonymous No.10563738]

>>10563727
>only in their cultural regions
What does that mean? What are these cultural regions. Was everything in the mongol empire, from China to the Balkans one cultural region?
>You are right, it only occurred when Western civilization developed the want to look across the ocean with wonder that the Romans never could have had.
But they did try. It was simply too hard to carry out the enterprise at that time. They didn't have the naval technology, they had unstable borders and they didn't know enough of where they were going and what was precious there to justify such collosal expenditure.
> It could easily have been the French, as Columbus was considering undertaking his journey for the French crown.
Another Atlantid nation, that had finished (much more recently) it's big existential crisis (the hundred years war). They could well have taken him up on that since, like the Iberians, they were stuck paying the Italian's through-the-roof prices on silk and spices.

>As I've said it could have been the French instead of the Spanish that first colonized the Americas, and this is no coincidence. The Western idea of exploration had formed around that time and Western states were eager to satisfy it.
The idea of exploration came with a precise target: the East Indies. The source of the most precious goods europeans knew of. Nobody paid a trip to the unknown, they were looking for a maritime path to the source of luxury goods of which they knew the rough location of. Colombus never set out to discover or colonize a new country, he promissed he could get to India and thought (like the idiot he was) that he could get there faster and cheaper going west - he disagreed with the scientific consensus of the time and figured the earth couldn't be that big so he should be able to sail westward from europe to asia just fine. Hence why the New World was known as West Indies.

[Anonymous No.10563739]

>>10563731
>circumvent the speed of light
That's not how science works. You don't get so much science that you can break the rules of physics. You can only get a better understanding of the rules.

[Anonymous No.10563740]

>>10563736

They won't. Cephalopods' problem is their overly specialised brain architecture that won't translate into a generalist intellect anytime soon. They will likely never give rise to full sentience and they've been here in ther modern form a lot longer than us.

This is a minor filter, just like lack of manipulators in whales. Not great filters tho, as multiple other creatures on the planet dodged them.

Hands are definitely not the "biggest thing" because literally dozens of species contemporary to us are great at manipulating stuff and it'd only take a few million years of increased tool usage to be jsut as good as us. Just compare chimps manual abilities to ours'. They're not drastically more competent than basic rodents.

[Anonymous No.10563741]

>>10563660
sounds a lot like when you're an adult with a job and you just can't make friends anymore like you could when you were back in first grade

[Anonymous No.10563742]

>>10563739

Your logic is more flawed than his. When we fly we do "circumvent" the law of gravity. He's not talking about outright miracles, while you talk like those people that claimed no machine heavier than air will ever competently fly a decade before the Wright brothers.

His failure is being completewly sure there's enough wiggle room and complexity within physics to "cheat" the speed limit. Yours' is established science cargo cult.

[Anonymous No.10563743]

>>10563740
Humans only colonized the world and adopted agriculture as a reaction to sudden changes in the environment. If something similar happened to cephalopods, generalist traits would become favorable and thus be passed on more and potentially lead them in the same direction. Honestly, socialization is more of an issue, but hunting packs of Humbolt squids show this isn't an insurmountable task for them either.

[Anonymous No.10563744]

>>10563739
Quantum mechanics already wipes its ass with macrophysical laws.

[Anonymous No.10563745]

>>10563743
>and adopted agriculture as a reaction to sudden changes in the environment.
No humans farmed because they farmed humans could remain hunter gatherers forever but some brilliant tribes decided that farming crops was a better idea eventually resulting in civilizations.

[Anonymous No.10563746]

The real great filter is the relative abundance of materials necessary to progress further in civilization. Good luck advancing past the stone age without sufficiently abundant metal alloys, good luck getting into the industrial age if your planet doesn't have significant coal/oil equivalents, or even basic fuel like wood that could conceivably be used as a substitute on a smaller scale. Fuck if the biology was different enough the ability to make steel on an industrial scale might not even be feasible, even if you had access to enough iron. There could be whole planets with civilizations stuck in the stone age or late renaissance, literally incapable of advancing further.

[Anonymous No.10563747]

>>10563736
On dry land you need an internal armor or an external armor to live, squids are slow as shit on land so any carnivore would nom them easily. Also those big brains will become serious problems on dry land since they are no longer suspended in water.

[Anonymous No.10563748]

>>10563742
But we KNOW that heavier than air is possible, we always knew it was possible, because birds were there for everybody to see. We always knew, even before we knew what gravity was, that it was possible. It's not a matter of wether the technology could be achieved or not like with flying machines, with light-speed there is a rule and that is: nothing can move faster than light in a vaccum. It's a fundamental constant. It's like we can't add 1 and 1 to get 3 no matter how good at math we are.

[Anonymous No.10563749]

Have you guys heard the notion "superhabitable"?

Superearths might be more propicious for life than smaller rocky planets. But chemical powered flight gets harder. Earth is not too far from the limit where we could achieve LEO. So there could be species out there more technologically developed than us but still grounded because it would take more advanced technology to enter the space age for them than it took for us.

[Anonymous No.10563750]

>>10563743
>Humans only colonized the world and adopted agriculture

Those are completely different phenomena separated by at least many dozens of thousands of years and both statements are varying degrees of wrong.

Homos never stopped spreading until they found a hard limit to their expansion, like subarctic climates before invention of the needle and thread or large bodies of water before navigation. This is true for not only us, not only earlier homos but of pretty much all life. Hominids spread constantly through diffusion for millions of years. None of the paleolithic migrations were great expeditions followed by colonists.

Agriculture was initially adopted due to climate change, yes, but also survived because the climate started to stabilize some 10.000+ years ago. Do you really think humans never attempted to farm before that? Could you recognize a 60k year old orchard?

> If something similar happened to cephalopods,

You're comparing adopting a different style of life or migration to pretty much growing a completely different organ.

>generalist traits would become favorable and thus be passed on more and potentially lead them in the same direction.

No? Absolutely not.

>Honestly, socialization is more of an issue, but hunting packs of Humbolt squids show this isn't an insurmountable task for them either.

You have no idea what I referred to, you did no research on cephalopod brain and you're rambling. This is why these threads belong on /sci/, not here.

[Anonymous No.10563751]

>>10563750
60K years ago humans were dumber than black americans.

[Anonymous No.10563752]

>>10563751
Imagine being an ancestral assburger who wants to have serious discussions and literally everyone else who exists is an IQ59 brainlet.

[Anonymous No.10563753]

>>10563752
You said why is there no farming evidence from the mesolithic, its because humans were too fucking stupid to farm that far back.

[Anonymous No.10563754]

>>10563748

It was unironically claimed ex catedra that machines scaled up for human travel were unfeasible. Like the rocket equation on a super earth.

>with light-speed there is a rule and that is: nothing can move faster than light in a vaccum.

as is

doesn't mean you can't do it.

>It's a fundamental constant

For inanimate, unorganized chunks of dirt (that we observed thus far). Like I said, you're a dogmatic cargo cultist. A popsci educator on youtube or in a classroom shies away from speculation to avoid sensationalism, someone like you picks up on this attitude and becomes the acolyte of the known.

Obvious example: there's no real "vacuum", you interact with space, with the quantum shit popping in and out etc., what if you could affect it some way? NO NO, IMPOSSIBLE, MUH CONSTANT. MUH LAWS. MUH STONE TABLETS.

If you think there's actually no chance that for the next x billion years nobody will crack this, absolutely zero possibility there's a workaround, out of the two of you're the crazier one by far.

[Anonymous No.10563755]

>>10563750
>Humans only colonized the world and ado
lol you got that right

[Anonymous No.10563756]

>>10563682
>I will be the conquistador of the stars!
Will you also rape lots of brown people in the process?

[Anonymous No.10563757]

>>10563756
*little grey people

[Anonymous No.10563758]

>>10563751

its not about growing brain power. Their goddamn nervous system is so chopped up you'd have to wait for them to evolve the equivalent of you fusing your heart and liver together.

If they're faced by a shift so steep it'll require an integrated brain they'll just be replaced by vertebrates. Only way they'll do it is essentially by accident, with the visual lobes slowly taking over over the course of dozens of millions of years of random unlikely adaptations.Unlikely because they way they developed is the more logical for their body type.

[Anonymous No.10563759]

>>10563753
That wasn't me

Even morons grasp basic plant reproduction. You can find below 70 IQ tribals in oceania right now that still domesticated tubers on their own.

[Anonymous No.10563760]

>>10563653
Statistics and distance.

[Anonymous No.10563761]

>>10563653
There is none
We are the Precursors

[Anonymous No.10563762]

>>10563657
Climate change insofar as it is a real phenomenon rather than a marketing tool, is not something that is taken particularly seriously by really anybody. You can see this by the solutions they produce which primarily consist of wealth redistribution from poor people in wealthy countries to rich people in poor countries.

The only way to very seriously tackle the issues of climate change and human contribution to the degradation of the global ecology is to seriously and scientifically examine their causes in a way that is often not done. For example anyone talking about per capita carbon emissions in the US/Europe while also advocating for population increases via immigration is not serious about reducing carbon emissions. Plastic bag bans in Oregon is not a serious way to address micro-plastics in the ocean when 90% of all plastics in the ocean come from 10 rivers, 2 in Africa and 8 in Asia. While there is a certain amount of that phenomenon that results from the exporting of American plastics to East Asia for "recycling" the vast majority of the plastic waste in the ocean is primarily industrial and related to goods manufacturing and distribution.

Basically, climate change certainly is real but nonsense like the "Green New Deal" has absolutely nothing to do with climate change and is basically just leftist political posturing attempting to disguise itself as revolutionary while basically just being a set of subsidies for international capitalism.

[Anonymous No.10563763]

>>10563759
If they domesticated anything they aint that low in IQ.

[Anonymous No.10563764]

>>10563754
>as is
>doesn't mean you can't do it.
Find me a physicist that claims it is possible. Not a "popsci educator on youtube or in a classroom", just a serious physicist.

>Obvious example: there's no real "vacuum", you interact with space, with the quantum shit popping in and out etc., what if you could affect it some way? NO NO, IMPOSSIBLE, MUH CONSTANT. MUH LAWS. MUH STONE TABLETS.
The electromagnetic wave travels in the void between all particles. If they "bounce" in an atom the wave will simply travel at the same, constant speed in the void until it bounces again. The "in a vacum" specifier is meant to make it easier for students to understand that light will cover a longer distance in the same amount of time if it travels unimpeded. But light never, ever actually slows down, it's velocity is always the same wether it is traveling straight or stuck hitting atoms in the atmosphere, or hitting a quantum particle in the black between the starts. If you could clear away every single particle between point A and point B a photon would travel with the same velocity - c - it always does. Light at a scale greater than the void between particles will travel slower than c - 299,792,458 m/s - but never faster than that. And it doesn't even matter much more energy you expend on it. For an electron catching up with light is a Zeno problem - it can approach it forever, infinitely, but it will never ever catch up with it.

Hey, maybe physics is wrong. But if you believe there is an objective external reality, there are things that work independently of our understanding of them. We can be right or wrong about them, but they are either real or not, regardless of what we think.

Genuinely curious about your philosophy on math? Do you believe there is a "workaround" 1+1=2?

[Anonymous No.10563765]

>>10563764
Another way to put it: c is an absolute. It's like 1 or 0, it is the same everywhere, even if you use a different symbol. Everything but photons travels at a proper fraction of c.

[Anonymous No.10563766]

>>10563653
>What is the great filter /his/?

Australoids.

[Anonymous No.10563767]

>>10563756
I hope so

[Anonymous No.10563768]

>>10563697
>exploration for exploration's sake like ours does.
Nah nigga, we value space exploration because there’s limitless resources just some million miles away
Imagine the mining potential of untouched Mars. Or the asteroid belt. Just imagine how rich we’d be if we could harness 1% of the Sun’s total energy emission.
We’d be gods. Very, very rich gods

[Anonymous No.10563769]

>>10563768
Gods would be beyond laws of nature, so no.

[Anonymous No.10563770]

>>10563702
>will not be us, it will be our descendent species colonizing the universe.
If I’m not at least 40% android by 2067 I’ll be very disappointed with human technological progress

[Anonymous No.10563771]

>>10563769
You could build your own worlds, fill them with minds, give them reasons to fear and love you, conceal your origin from them.

[Anonymous No.10563772]

Why do leftists associate climate change with some impending apocalypse? The world gets a bit warmer you retards. Just turn up your air conditioner. Now tundras across the planet will have their chance at vegetation before it all cools again as it always does.

[Anonymous No.10563773]

>>10563736
Squids and octopi have no social structures and can’t forge lasting conditions for the passing on of knowledge. Don’t forget that man was a social creature first, a smart one second.
Basically:
>tfw to smart to have social life

[Anonymous No.10563774]

[Anonymous No.10563775]

>>10563774
meant for >>10563772

[Anonymous No.10563837]

>>10563713
>And the most suited to the environment were the stronger and fitter of humans.
They obviously weren't, since they're extinct now.

Remember; "the fit survive" is backwards; it's actually "the survivors are fit"

[Anonymous No.10563843]

>>10563653
Virtual reality replacing actual reality. Everyone becomes a NEET and experiences infinite time in their own perspective in a utopic VR world

[Anonymous No.10563866]

And I bet those leaps are historical events used to support someone's ideology.

[Anonymous No.10563869]

>>10563656
Degenerate matter?
>>10563653
I'm gonna say ftl. Because as far as we know, nothing gas achieved it.

[Anonymous No.10563877]

>commonly achieved evolutionary leap after the great filter
You are the great filter, OP. You're the reason we're doomed.

[Anonymous No.10564205]

What if there is no great filter? What if intelligent life is abundant and only humans ever invented radio in the timespan it could reach without being garbled by natural phenomenon?

[Anonymous No.10564227]

>>10563653
Industrial society destroying their environment's carrying capacity like we're in the process of doing now.

[Anonymous No.10564232]

>>10563869
I don't believe this Fermi paradox stuff assumes ftl. It assumes shit like Von Neumann probes and Dyson swarms.

[Anonymous No.10565224]

>>10564227
Climate change and environmental damage arent really a species ending event for a fairly advanced civilization. There are plenty of non sepient species that survived a few degrees increase. It could cause a lot of damage but a colony could always move to Antarctica if things get too warm.

>>10563869
>>10564232
Colonizing an entire galaxy is doable with non FTL travel (event just current spacecraft speeds) in millions of year, which is nothing in astronomical timescales. If a civilization was able to get to a couple of nearby star systems theres not much stopping them from moving everywhere; not unlike humans on earth. Most likely either multi-cellular step or Eukaryota is one of the biggest challenges

[Anonymous No.10565244]

>>10563683
Based plastic neosound

[Anonymous No.10565275]

>>10565224
The current existential danger isn't a few degrees caused by CO2 emissions, it's that there are well over a thousand gigatonnes of methane in the permafrost in the arctic (land and under the shallow waters of the continental shelf). Once the sea ice is gone (probably in the next decade or so), we lose a HUGE heatsink and there's a very real chance of rapid release of enough of this methane to end us.
It's very possible that this is actually a very common type of event with any global scale industrialization event.

[Anonymous No.10565287]

>>10563653
Defeat of the Third Reich

[Anonymous No.10565290]

>>10565275
If it became that dire we could build methane and CO2 sequestering machines even if it was at a monetary loss.

[Anonymous No.10565339]

>>10565290
There are limits of what we can do on these scales in limited periods of time. Capturing and sequestering many gigatonnes of gas every year isn't something we "just do" unless we have many decades at least.

If it was that easy, we would have curbed CO2 emissions decades ago instead of setting new records every year.

[Anonymous No.10565345]

>>10563653
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nova#Recurrent_novae

Recurrent novae perhaps ?

[Anonymous No.10565453]

>>10563660
Why would something need to travel faster than light?

An entire galaxy can be mapped in a 100 000 years or so using von Neumann probes. While you may not be able to map the universe, you are able to explore a lot of it in a billion years.

[Anonymous No.10565838]

>>10563732
>More advanced subspecies get destroyed by the dumber ones.
>Happening right now as we speak.
Explains your presence

[Anonymous No.10565865]

>>10563683
Most likely not the first but maybe among the first "generation" of self aware life.

[Anonymous No.10565867]

>>10563690
This, robots will colonize space similar to "We Are Legion" a book about an emulated human brain in a space craft.

[Anonymous No.10565869]

>>10563691
Not only were they stronger but they may have been smarter too. Interesting how things work out.

[Anonymous No.10565874]

>>10563666
Really makes you think. If its true that the universe is young now, and cosmic impacts and gamma ray bursts still likely, maybe we should be seeding other planets with earth animal life so they can have aliens in the future? Like literally firing up cryogenic tubes and shooting off plant life, gametes in time ticker artificial wombs, etc.
Also preserving knowledge by doing shit like carving patterns into the sides of planets like graffiti.

[Anonymous No.10565889]

>>10563653
We are literally shitting where we sleep on this planet. It is quite sad.

[Anonymous No.10565908]

>>10563697
>exploration for explorations sake
We explored to mine resources and lack of immediate ROI is the main reason we havent gone back to Space, though sentiments are changing now that people are learning about what we could be doing with asteroid mining and business opportunities on Mars. I imagine intelligent aliens, especially any who grew by fighting one another like we do, might eventually come around to thinking about whether or not other alien life exists like we do. They'd then be rushing towards certain stars and black holes and attempting to build Dyson sphere based weapons in order to defend themselves from any other group that might have such technology. Or just make subjugating other groups a hell of a lot easier. It would kinda be like how we had our race for nuclear weapons here on earth a few decades ago. Plus, it makes more sense to ensure you have a superweapon in your back pocket before you go exploring random planets looking for alien life, particularly intelligent life.

[Anonymous No.10565909]

>>10563660
>live thousands of lightyears apart, which means they will probably never be able to even send messages to each other, let alone probes or ships.

We're able to detect and send signals from very far away.

[Anonymous No.10565949]

>>10563666
>>10563683
This goes against the Copernican principle and assumes that we are priveleged observers - literally medieval thinking. We should assume that our place in the universe is drawn randomly from the set of all observers, and if we propose that there will be many civilisations in the future, the probability of ours emerging as one the first approaches zero

>>10563653
Life arising from the spontaneous emergence of protein into DNA and the leap from prokaryote to eukaryote. Both of them are so exceedingly unlikely that they should not have happened once in the age of our universe and the probability of both occuring in the same place is so low that it beggars the mind. And so we must be the only life

[Anonymous No.10566028]

>>10565949
The first life emerged somewhere between 4.41 and 3.8 billion years ago. That's between zero and 610 million years since water first appeared on Earth. The timescale of the emergence of simple life on Earth is way too small for the probability of its emergence to be low. The prokaryote-to-eukaryote jump may contribute, though.

[Anonymous No.10566102]

dark matter is the ulitmate lifeform of consciousness

[Anonymous No.10566103]

>>10566102
spooks

[Anonymous No.10566105]

Calc II

[Anonymous No.10566111]

>148 replies
>nobody's mentioned birth rates

Come on /sci/, I expect better of you. It's an observed trend that as a civilisation "progresses", its birth rate falls. Before the end of this century, every country in the world will have below-replacement fertility. There are two ways this could play out:

Scenario A: perfect automation. Human labour becomes unnecessary. A comfortable and listless human population slowly dwindles into extinction.

Scenario B: human labour never becomes obsolete. The ratio of retirees to workers grows increasingly large over time, with geriatrics controlling ever more wealth and voting power. Eventually the burden becomes untenable and society collapses. Regression to a more promitive society raises birth rates, civilisation oscillates in this manner until Earth becomes uninhabitable.

In a hunter-gatherer society, the link between sexual pleasure and reproduction is self-evident; besides, from a purely selfish point of view a large family is a good idea, since they provide you with protection, welfare, support in your old age, et cetera. As society advances, it becomes better at tricking nature. The link between sexual pleasure and reproduction is progressively undermined: condoms, porn, abortions, gay pride, antibiotics for STDs, et cetera. At the same time the state takes over all the functions family once provided, meaning you have no practical need for a family and will live in more comfort if you spend your life accumulating wealth.

The conclusion is inevitable: sub-replacement fertility and a tendency towards extinction. If you live in the first world, this has already happened. Hell, if you live in an advanced province of a developing country, this has already happened. Hate to burst the bubble of your grandiose science fiction tier theories, but the Great Filter is actually you jerking off in front of a computer screen.

[Anonymous No.10566119]

>>10565224
>millions of year, which is nothing in astronomical timescales
But is unimaginable for humans there is no way they will survive the trip.

[Anonymous No.10566124]

>>10563653
evolution of life

[Anonymous No.10566161]

>>10563732
Getting destroyed from within specifically. Once a subculture becomes big enough to become self-sufficient, it starts eating the larger culture from inside out.

[Anonymous No.10566418]

>>10563653
How many of those threads are you gonna make?
>>10562686

[Anonymous No.10566496]

>>10563679
THIS

[Anonymous No.10566499]

>>10563653
Womens

[Anonymous No.10567308]

>>10565949
>We should assume that our place in the universe is drawn randomly from the set of all observers, and if we propose that there will be many civilisations in the future, the probability of ours emerging as one the first approaches zero
We should assume nothing about were we fall on the mediocrity-exceptionality spectrum.

If you are struck and crippled by a meteor do you think "it's more likely that this is a dream rather than a real occurrence" and dismiss present reality as it unfolds before you?

[Anonymous No.10567319]

>>10563756
>implying conquistadors raped anyone
Dude they were literally the only intelligent, successful, handsome men more than 5 feet tall on. the. entire. continent. That's a recipe for "enthusiastic consent"

[Anonymous No.10567339]

>>10566418
Seems this one got moved from /his/. They also made one on /x/.

[Anonymous No.10567537]

>>10563653
Jews

[Anonymous No.10567641]

>>10563717
if only the pinkos made it to the moon first

[Anonymous No.10567651]

>>10563653
>What is the great filter /his/?

Nationalism. literally impossible to progress when we are at war because

>LOL YOUR SKIN IS BLACK YOU MUST DIE.

>LOL Are you literally born ten meters after this rock? YOU ARE NOT IN MY COUNTRY, YOU MUST DIE

[Anonymous No.10567701]

>>10563694
this is peak of mout stupid ladies and gentelmen

[Anonymous No.10567833]

>>10567651
I agree, let's do what Europe did and spend billions of dollars on people who hate them, have an average IQ of 85 (or lower) and wish to rapidly outbreed them and remove everything they create and promote that moves forward our understanding of the world in favor of more programs.
Great idea, we'll start immediately.

[Anonymous No.10567904]

>>10563659
this but unironically

[Anonymous No.10567938]

>>10566028
There's a problem in the timescales though in that multicellularity was the leap that took the longest to occur at almost 4 billion years after abiogenesis or 2 billion years after eukaryogenesis, when it has nonetheless been observed to happen in singe-celled organisms in lab environments in multiple cases. Meanwhile, we are nowhere near creating life even with all the tools available to us, least of all to explain how these spontaneously emerged in the first place

>>10567308
This argument doesn't make any sense and already assumes that we are privileged observers without any grounds. Try, 'When I go out tomorrow, should I expect a mediocre day or the low probability event of being struck by a meteor?'

[Anonymous No.10567987]

>>10567651
I think you're are right. Brazil will obviously produce the next Newton and Euler and von Neumanns.

And giving up sovereignty to Globalists is the right thing to do, who, as masters of business, tax evasion, shareholder value, nepotistic insider transacting and organizers of crime, are the best, most caring and compassionate people for the job. This will become increasingly more true as we move towards enforcing diversity amount billionaires.

Putting your country first and holding politicians accountable to that self-evident primary responsibility is obviously racist and problematic. This is what I have been told by those with more power than me. What should be done instead is making sure sub Saharan Africans and Muslims and especially sub Saharan Muslims and Hasidic Jews feel comfortable living anywhere outside Asia and able to have as many children as tax dollars can support. By doing this we will simultaneously prove our own tolerance, open mindedness, non racism, and that the Talmud is true instead of horrifically evil and enable the continuation of the global wide economic Ponzi scheme keeping the comfort rolling in.

[Anonymous No.10568023]

>>10567987
this reminds me of how it's been recently found that big corporations are paying zero (read it: zero) taxes now in the USA thanks to new laws they have lobbied to have put in
says a whole fucking lot about the state of our media (also owned by these big finance assholes) that i found out about this from Jim Sterling of all people

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRWCr90Lhxw

seriously, handing our sovereignty over to an international oligarchy has to be one of the most stupid, destructive ideas imaginable

[Anonymous No.10568112]

>>10563773
Cephalopods are spirit animals of autists

[Anonymous No.10568116]

>>10563659
but we live in a society

[Anonymous No.10568118]

next filter is if we make AI or not
we'll all die but the AI can live on atleast

[Anonymous No.10568161]

>>10568023
>recently found
is this the absolute state of america ?

[Anonymous No.10568275]

>>10563772
A huge amount of the world's population lives near the equator and on the coast, which means they will be hit hard by global warming on multiple fronts. Sea level rise, extreme weather, and desertification destroying precious arable land. You think the current refugee crisis in Europe is bad? Wait until literal billions of Africans, Indians, and SE Asians uproot themselves and head north out of the simple necessity of not starving to death.

[Anonymous No.10568355]

>>10568118
>we'll all die but the AI can live on atleast
Why does everyone always think this is certainly what will happen? Of course it's a possibility but there is also certainly the opportunity for species to create symbiotic AI. This about the human brain. It's basically a series of layers which go from the most simple core (just keeping the organs all working to stay alive) to the most advanced outer layer (currently speech, forethought, advanced vision, etc). AI could just be another layer on top of what we have that we slapped on that allows for thing like instantaneous and accurate access to the knowledge of any other individual within a specified area and other such super human intellect feats. Seems plenty possible to me.

[Anonymous No.10568360]

>>10568275
Oh there will be death, but if the countries farther away from the equator (ie all the most advanced ones) are ready a large enough percentage of those people will survive and wouldnt take long to get back to a good state of society.

[Anonymous No.10568426]

>>10568275
>refugee crisis

Which is entirely manufactured, there is a deliberate hamstringing of Europe's ability to defend itself.
Nobody seems to wonder why the middle east isn't overflowing with people from Africa, compared to many areas of Africa it's a paradise.

(Hint: They don't give them free shit and defend the borders with guns. Egypt especially.)

[Anonymous No.10570173]

>>10566102
Why is /x/ so attracted to dark matter?

[Anonymous No.10570375]

>>10570173
because it is spooky

[Anonymous No.10570423]

>>10570173
Why wouldn't they be?
>unidentified substance
>shapes galaxies
>is probably streaming through your house RIGHT NOW

[Anonymous No.10570651]

>>10570173
>/x/
It's speculation, but it definitely isn't /x/. Look up Boltzman brain.
A complex enough system can have sentience.

[Anonymous No.10570655]

>>10563653
(you)

[Anonymous No.10570661]

>>10563660
Brainlet detected. A society where death has become obsolete wouldn't even care about how much time it takes to colonize the entire local group.

[Anonymous No.10570786]

>>10570651
If all of dark matter was conscious, the probability of our consciousness emerging in baryonic matter through evolution is near 0. If arisen from spontaneous fluctations, anything near sentience could not have happened yet. Dark matter is interesting but you shouldn’t contribute consciousness to it

[Anonymous No.10571218]

>>10568023
>seriously, handing our sovereignty over to an international oligarchy has to be one of the most stupid, destructive ideas imaginable
Sorry but you people have it completely backwards. Our nation is ALREADY corrupt to its core and controlled by the rich thanks to unchecked economic globalization. The entire point of political globalization is to counteract that process and ensure that economic forces are not wreaking havoc on the little people while the wealthy and powerful profit off human suffering.

This idea that globalization means "handing our sovereignty over to an international oligarchy" is so ass backwards. An international oligarchy already controls every nation. Transnational governmental structures are meant to do the opposite of that.

[Anonymous No.10571220]

>>10563660
And that's a good thing

[Anonymous No.10571246]

>>10563653
Niggers

[Anonymous No.10571329]

>>10571218
Oh you absolute buffoon, the same fucking financial structures control our political structures.

Citibank chose Obama's cabinet for fucks sake.

Stop thinking giving up all your power to a government is going to save you.

[Anonymous No.10571354]

>>10563653
eugenics

[Anonymous No.10571440]

Our current search for intelligent signals in space, is equivalent to taking a cup full of ocean water and claiming there's no dolphins.

The great filter is absurd and hilariously assuming.

[Anonymous No.10571463]

>>10568023
isn't it simple for you to participate in this tax avoidance? Just purchase shares in large companies and you too will benefit from their savings.

[Anonymous No.10571498]

>>10563666
>666
Satan dropping some truth bombs in this thread.

[Anonymous No.10571524]

>>10563739
We already know of things that break laws of physics. Every black hole does it.

[Anonymous No.10571528]

>>10571440
>Our current search for intelligent signals in space, is equivalent to taking a cup full of ocean water and claiming there's no dolphins.

A cup of ocean water is full of life. Similarly, if there are aliens out there, we should see them or their effects by now.

[Anonymous No.10571529]

>>10563692
Why would it generate heat?

[Anonymous No.10571537]

>>10563653
There is no great filter. Life is just very rare in the universe, intelligent life even more so. We are alone, at least in the local galaxy group, maybe in the entire observable universe.

[Anonymous No.10571542]

Who else /Firstintelligentlife/ pilled yet? It's the only answer that makes sense.

[Anonymous No.10571561]

>>10571542
I agree, Fermi paradox is called a paradox for a reason.

We are the Old Ones, /sci/

[Anonymous No.10571565]

>>10571561
My favorite canon, besides the one where we are just npc's in some kids mmorpg.

[Anonymous No.10571568]

>>10571537
Assuming you can't even observe 70% shit in solar system your claims sounds ignorant and egocentric.

[Anonymous No.10571576]

>>10571568
We can observe everything except for some small distant rocks. They just arent here.

[Anonymous No.10571590]

>>10571576
We arent even sure if there is still a planet hidden at the edge of our solar system.

Because it's looking more and more like there is still something big out there.

[Anonymous No.10571919]

>>10563660
You know this comment is based with this amount of replies.

[Anonymous No.10572046]

>>10563653
The leap from a individual organism to a machine race of collective conciousness

[Anonymous No.10572055]

Ideology ! :p