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/med/ - Medical school, dental and pharmacy general Anonymous Sat Apr 13 16:30:56 2019 No.10555155 [Reply] [Original]

DO vs MD edition

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We discuss research, offer advice (the best advice we give is "SEE YOUR FUCKING FAMILY PHYSICIAN), shitpost and make fun of dumb premeds.

Based labfags,Techs,PA's, NP's and RN's (students too) are welcome!

Remember, if you want to discuss vaccines, please make your own thread because it usually takes a lot of replies and the discussion usually degenerates.

Resources: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed
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>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 13 16:32:44 2019 No.10555162 Women be homemakers, not physicians.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 13 16:45:55 2019 No.10555190 >>10555162 Amen. If you’re /seething/, turn back now.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 13 16:49:28 2019 No.10555202 How do I deal with smug women in my medical school cohort?

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 13 16:56:30 2019 No.10555214 >>10555162 >>10555190 >>10555202 I say we're having great content so far. Thanks for ruining it lads!

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 13 16:58:04 2019 No.10555219 >>10555214 No problem, bro.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 13 17:01:42 2019 No.10555225 >>10555202 >dealing with anyone but yourself >/sig/

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 13 17:08:30 2019 No.10555239 >>10555202 Ignore them as much as possible, speak over them when you’re forced to work with them. That goes for all women.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 13 17:10:29 2019 No.10555248 tfw pharmacists will never be treated with the same respect as physicians

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 13 17:14:28 2019 No.10555261 >>10555248 Isn't it obvious? The job became a total meme. You're a live medicine dispenser.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 13 17:16:38 2019 No.10555266 >>10555248 You're treated with the same respect by high IQ physicians. Not by the plebs but I value you you, friend.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 13 17:17:42 2019 No.10555270 >itt: liberals false flagging so they can write a buzzfeed article about "racist and sexist doctors on 4chan"

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 13 17:19:14 2019 No.10555274 >>10555270 /ptg/ and reddit.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 13 17:19:47 2019 No.10555275 >>10555202 My (UK) medical school has an ‘undergound’ society for male students only. Find yours, or create one if it doesn’t yet exist. You’ll be able to discuss questions like yours there.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 13 17:40:36 2019 No.10555329 >>10555155 I have cellulitis and I received antibiotics. What will happen to me if I quit taking it? If it is death that'd be a great thing.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 13 17:44:22 2019 No.10555338 Medicine is great but the people are horrific. That's why I went for surgery, majority male instructors. At least now I know what I'm getting

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 13 18:02:12 2019 No.10555374 >>10554648 Anyone?

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 13 18:58:28 2019 No.10555479 >>10555202 Genuinely want an answer to this.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 13 19:00:30 2019 No.10555485 >>10555202 Ask them if they plan on having kids and how they will manage balancing work and children. Tell them sitters and daycare increases the chance of them being molested.

Anonymous Sat Apr 13 19:38:36 2019 No.10555577
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Post-Bacc fag hare.

4.0 in my Post-Bacc
2.9 Undergrad Cumulative
2.7 Science Undergrad
300 Volunteer/Clinic Hours
400 Shadow Hours
3 Medical Missions
Lived in Rural area, plan to go back and help underserved
MCAT scores of: 490, 493, 495, and 514

Do I have a shot with a DO or MD school?

>your grades suck ass

I was a complete fuckup (almost dropped out to go to culinary school) my first two years in my undergrad, scraped by with C-‘s, C’s, and the occasional B. Ended up getting my shit together my junior year and finishing strong (good upward trend).

>mcat repeats

I was stubborn and took the 2015 test. And then retook again in 2016, 2017. Ended up actually studying and getting the 514.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 13 19:46:06 2019 No.10555599 >>10555329 This though, need an answer from smart psychos.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 13 20:03:32 2019 No.10555646 What's the difference between an NP and PA Can both prescribe medication?

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 13 20:08:10 2019 No.10555660 >>10555577 DO yeah

Anonymous Sat Apr 13 20:11:05 2019 No.10555668

>>10555577
You have a pretty good chance DO but I don’t know how they’ll perceive you bombing the MCAT horribly 3 times in a row. Better have a decent reason for doing that and if you don’t you better make one up, because it makes you look like a fucking moron.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 13 20:13:12 2019 No.10555670 >>10555577 If you’re planning on applying next year I’d keep volunteering and get a research gig over the summer if you can. 300 hrs is ok but with your application, strong ECs would really help you out.

Anonymous Sat Apr 13 20:18:57 2019 No.10555685

>>10555668
I’ve discussed it with a DO Regional Director that operates through my town. (They send their california students through rotations in my hometown, which is rural california). From what she has told me, as long as you are honest as to why you bombed them you should be find considering the point jump was insane.

>>10555670
I’m planning the upcoming cycle, but if it falls through I have a research position with a surgeon lined up as a backup for the year. The medical missions I’ve been on have been quite helpful, considering its places where I go to regularly rather than doing that “one week and then never coming back schtick”

Anonymous Sat Apr 13 20:22:46 2019 No.10555704

>>10555685
Ok then I’d give you pretty good odds. Normally in MD medical missions are frowned upon as “medical tourism” but if you have actually returned to the same places over time then I think it’s a valid activity. As long as you apply early and to lots of DO schools I’d expect some interviews.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 13 20:24:42 2019 No.10555706 >>10555704 so what do MD want in premed real world experience. what's the gold standard? weekly shadowing/volunteering?

Anonymous Sat Apr 13 20:26:03 2019 No.10555713

>>10555706
What I’ve heard from adcoms is they want consistent and prolonged clinical/volunteer commitment. So they’d rather see you volunteer every week for 2 years at the same place. Shadowing is more lenient I’ve heard if you apply with 50 hours and you’re good.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 13 20:30:52 2019 No.10555723 >>10555577 holy shit are you literally me?

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 13 20:32:51 2019 No.10555727 Can DOs become surgeons?

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 13 20:38:46 2019 No.10555737 Had a stroke 2 years ago and starting to feel normal again. what concerns should I have. I felt like death today. Like I could have died in my sleep

Anonymous Sat Apr 13 21:05:20 2019 No.10555786

>>10555713
thank you. Sorry for the retarded followup, how medical need this volunteering be? I am looking at hospital volunteer programs, they seem to be wheeling patients around, talking to families of patients, working at a hospital gift shop. Maybe I'm not seeing something here but is this stuff meant to build understanding for medical work, or is there another class of volunteering that I'm not seeing?

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 13 21:09:16 2019 No.10555792 >>10555727 Yes. I know a DO Neurosurgeon.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 13 21:14:11 2019 No.10555800 What is the difference between infectology and pathology?

Anonymous Sat Apr 13 21:26:24 2019 No.10555826

>>10555786
The rule of thumb is that if you can smell patients, then it’s clinical volunteering. Adcoms want to see both clinical and non clinical volunteering showing commitment to your community (i.e., volunteer at a food bank, tutor underprivileged kids for free, etc.). Anything in a hospital, no matter how trivial, is clinical exposure. It doesn’t really matter what it does. Obviously you won’t be doing anything meaningful as a pre-med. It’s more about knowing what you’re getting in to in regards to patient contact and the frenzied environment.

Anonymous Sat Apr 13 22:00:43 2019 No.10555891

>>10555577

Canadafag here (basically death sentence as far as med schools go).

>3.65 cGPA in a fuckin BA in psychology degree.
>Not a full course load so I don't qualify for any GPA weighing formulas in Ontario.
>350 clinical volunteer hours over 5 years at the same health organization
>Odd jobs/volunteer events here and there
>1 poster presentation at a conference
>3 years of continuous employment at a very recognizable company that I sort of hate but looks good on a resume.
>1 undergrad research publication
>Have not written MCAT yet but naturally good at CARS/verbal reasoning
>Never applied to medschool before. Applying next cycle depending on my MCAT score.

Pretty sure I will inevitably just fucking fail here and go to Australia. I'm interested in primary care anyway so being an IMG doesn't really matter but I doubt I'll be able to come back to Canada for residency. Any IMG's here? Does everyone regard you as a self hating failure?

Anonymous Sat Apr 13 22:04:17 2019 No.10555899

>>10555338

I am not in med school yet but I agree with you to an extent. I have always sort of got this impression. Pre-meds are horrible, horrible people mostly. Inevitably the ones who get into medical school become narcissistic doctors. Clinical competence is one thing, personality and bedside manner is another and I dread the idea of having to deal with them. I just want to be a psychiatrist but not deal with retards who have a god complex. What do?

Anonymous Sat Apr 13 22:16:23 2019 No.10555920

>>10555891
Idk how different the standards are in Canada but in the US a 3.65 cGPA isn’t a death sentence if you have a good BCPM GPA. I’d have to assume Canada sees it the same way. Who gives a shit how well you did in gender studies if you aced both semesters of o chem?

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 13 22:58:27 2019 No.10556018 >>10555792 wow that's really cool, I had no idea that was possible

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 13 23:20:58 2019 No.10556057 >>10555920 3.65cGPA is essentially a death sentence for most schools

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 13 23:24:29 2019 No.10556069 >>10555727 The best Urology surgeon I've ever seen is a DO

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 13 23:36:51 2019 No.10556095 >>10556069 if he's so good, why did he go to DO school, unironically. Do some people just test bad but are kinesthetically and interpersonally competent so once they get through med school they become really good practicing physicians?

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 13 23:41:52 2019 No.10556112 >>10556095 Not sure, he's in his 70's. I'm scared to ask him such things.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 13 23:50:45 2019 No.10556126 >>10555891 Your chances are good for Aus if you do really well on the MCAT. 500+ and you have a chance

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 13 23:58:19 2019 No.10556140 >>10555275 If you aren't shitposting, please tell me more about this. And if you are, please continue to make stuff up like this

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 14 00:15:46 2019 No.10556169 >>10556095 Some people just slip through the cracks, and alot of the DOs now are a bit on the older side coming into med school, and they seem at least more personable and life-experienced compared to MDs I guess...

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 14 01:54:26 2019 No.10556334 >>10556112 wow he's old-school too then. when he went there must have been even more of a stigma

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 14 03:40:03 2019 No.10556497 >>10555374 Ortho

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 14 04:02:03 2019 No.10556531 >>10555176 Here we are behind anesthesiologists and surgeons in suicide rates. Lot of alcoholics and druggies as well, though anesthesiologists beat us there too.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 14 04:02:55 2019 No.10556534 >>10556531 What's so mentally taxing about being an anesthesiologist

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 14 04:16:27 2019 No.10556551 >>10555155 I don't know what the h*** a DO is but I automatically respect them more for using the true symbol.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 14 04:19:38 2019 No.10556555 >>10555248 pharmacist here. Idk why you ever thought we would be. I like our role and rarely ever have anything less than great interactions with MDs. medical assistants piss me off though

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 14 04:25:45 2019 No.10556559 >>10556555 Why? We can refill your prescriptions, do you not like talking to bossy single moms or something?

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 14 04:27:34 2019 No.10556560 File: 28 KB, 737x683, 1555196083183.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10555155 should i apply with a low gpa or just give up, I have yet to take the MCAT

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 14 04:30:21 2019 No.10556568 >>10556534 It’s a big specialty, here they deal with anesthesia, intesive care and EM. Long hours, stressfull work and an easy access to potent drugs.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 14 04:34:17 2019 No.10556574 >>10556560 What score?

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 14 04:37:20 2019 No.10556580 >>10556574 3.2

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 14 04:38:25 2019 No.10556584 >>10556580 it's really bad but I'm in engineering and I have alright ECs, research, etc

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 14 04:39:44 2019 No.10556586 >>10556584 How did you get into research with such a badd GPA m************?

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 14 04:40:42 2019 No.10556589 >>10556580 Yeah, you can give up on medschool.

Anonymous Sun Apr 14 05:06:35 2019 No.10556631
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>>10556589

Why? Is there no hope for the MCAT? I've been working my ass off, clubs, etc. My science GPA is higher, at around 3.5.

>>10556586
I applied and I got a position at a bio mechanics lab.

Anonymous Sun Apr 14 05:08:27 2019 No.10556637

>>10556559
I have nothing against them per se, but a big part of my job is calling to clarify with doc about something and they often act like im wasting their time. I'm always polite in my interactions but a lot of them can't grasp that theres a good reason i called.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 14 05:11:12 2019 No.10556641 >>10556637 Maybe because it's not a big deal and you did well?

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 14 05:28:27 2019 No.10556667 >>10556126 Good to hear that at least. I think I can manage 500 at least. Are Aussie MD programs good, as in comparable quality to US/CAD schools? How difficult is it to get a family med or psych residency in the USA after?

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 14 05:30:49 2019 No.10556670 >>10556631 I am not American but I think you have a shot at DO programs and international MD programs.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 14 05:32:34 2019 No.10556674 >>10555727 Will be a lot more difficult. And if you make it into a program, be prepared to be bullied, farthagged, etc. more than the usual trainee.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 14 05:33:05 2019 No.10556675 >>10556631 >he has to apply for things

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 14 05:39:14 2019 No.10556680 Why is IM regarded as a meme spec? Most IM docs I know are smart and easy going, but the specialists (Cards, pulmo, nephro) disregards and criticize them. (Big city, not some little town)

Anonymous Sun Apr 14 05:39:24 2019 No.10556681
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Does anybody get a DO without first accepting that every MD program is going to reject their inferior application, and that basically they didn't do well enough in college to become a real doctor?

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 14 05:43:40 2019 No.10556685 >>10556674 My brother is a DO resident suregeon and hasn't been farthagged.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 14 05:46:38 2019 No.10556690 >>10556685 >Farthagged Do Americans really do this?

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 14 05:52:47 2019 No.10556702 >>10556690 >farthagged Does that word even exist?

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 14 05:54:50 2019 No.10556709 >>10556702 Apparently not

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 14 05:55:14 2019 No.10556710 >>10556690 It's the new 'trend' of ways to shit on medical students and junior residents. It's more common in the macho specialties obviously.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 14 05:59:12 2019 No.10556719 >>10555202 Work harder, do better. It's not difficult, you brainlet.

Anonymous Sun Apr 14 06:00:17 2019 No.10556722

>>10556710

I would secretly record them and then sue like a faggot even if it got me blacklisted from the specialty. If I were a woman I could also throw in some sexual harassment allegations. Fucking macho faggot surgeons. God I hate surgeons so fucking much. I got the wife of one to cheat despite not even being attracted to her, just to spite the fucker.

Anonymous Sun Apr 14 06:03:14 2019 No.10556729
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>>10556710
Never heard of this shit, kek. Even when I had ortho rotations where the lads are supposed to be "macho" as you said, no one did this to us. I guess it's just an US thing, then.

>>10556722
Bad day, friend?

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 14 06:05:02 2019 No.10556732 >>10555329 The cellulitis will come back and there's a small but real chance you'll create an antibiotic resistant strain of whatever bacteria is itis-ing your cells. I'm not even a premed and I know this. Take your pills OP.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 14 06:05:16 2019 No.10556733 >>10556729 Kinda yeah :(

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 14 06:06:53 2019 No.10556737 >>10556722 Unfortunately recording it is pointless as the whole idea is to fart silently and act as if nothing has happened.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 14 06:15:36 2019 No.10556748 >>10556737 I'd provoke them

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 14 06:33:58 2019 No.10556772 File: 27 KB, 588x490, 299 - kgJgAF3.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10556748 How? >I bet you can't fart on me you little bitch ass nigger

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>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 14 06:45:54 2019 No.10556792 File: 28 KB, 400x400, 15 - 5gCeKiD.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10556781 I don't think he'll just fart on you if you say that. Most surgeons are somewhat frustrated and I have no idea why.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 14 06:59:49 2019 No.10556813 >>10556792 Surgeons are a bunch of psychos

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 14 07:01:43 2019 No.10556817 >>10556670 Thanks man, I hope for the best. Good luck with whatever you're doing.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 14 07:01:47 2019 No.10556818 >>10555202 Just know that 90% of them are gonna be shit doctors when they enter the workforce

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 14 07:02:35 2019 No.10556820 >>10556813 Why? Any specs more than others?

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 14 07:05:46 2019 No.10556824 >>10556820 Less reaction to aversive stimuli. I'd bet if you administered the PCR you would find more traits among surgeons than any other specialty.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 14 07:07:31 2019 No.10556826 >>10556820 Ortho > Gen surgery >>>>> The rest

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 14 07:14:11 2019 No.10556836 The only time I was happy was in the OR, I enjoyed the banter from the senior doctors. It's still sort of traditional in there.

Anonymous Sun Apr 14 07:23:01 2019 No.10556849
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>>10556836
>I enjoyed the banter from the senior doctors
>enjoyed

Never happened to me and I'm glad it didn't. Most surgeons here are very serious and strict and don't have time for shit like this, they always teach residents and students, asks us questions that we've forgot (anatomy ofc) and always gets mad when we miss the questions. Fuck all I want to do is to get into a spec with a relaxed atmosphere and easy going/laid back doctors that know their shit.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 14 07:27:06 2019 No.10556855 >>10556849 >easy going >laid back Psychiatry

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 14 07:49:55 2019 No.10556893 >>10556855 I was thinking family.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 14 07:51:31 2019 No.10556895 >>10556893 That too

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 14 07:55:36 2019 No.10556906 Why are cards the happiest spec in most countries?

Anonymous Sun Apr 14 07:58:28 2019 No.10556908

>>10556906
>cards
>happy
They have heavy workload, only cardiologists that have their own private practice are happy imo. When I had my cards rotation, most of them looked so miserable and were under a lot of stress, so many patients to consult, treat, check on them on top of having their residents to learn and us , the medstudents.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 14 08:23:38 2019 No.10556945 File: 567 KB, 2448x1228, 1543739960994.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >Just wanna be a psychiatrist >But likely have to go IMG route (Ireland or Australia) Any advice lads?

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 14 08:27:17 2019 No.10556956 Opinions on plastic surgery as a specialty?

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 14 08:30:44 2019 No.10556963 >>10556956 I am more interested in the reconstructive side of things as opposed to the vanity medicine aspects.

Anonymous Sun Apr 14 08:36:28 2019 No.10556971

>>10555737
>what concerns should I have
A second stroke? I hope you're taking some kind of medication.
>>10556680
IM covers everything why call it a meme. Also every specialist shits on other specialties. Like no fucking exception. It's normal when you have a narrow specialty to know a bit more about some condition than an IM, but why bash on them.
>>10556690
>>10556702
Literally today is the first time I hear about this. Google doesn't even show it. Is this really happening? People farting on each other? Please tell me I'm getting trolled.
>>10556818
I feel like an ass thinking about this, but most impressive doctors I've seen were all men and from my peers the smartest ones are male and as a whole men seem to develop better clinical thinking than women. I'm in no way sexist and I don't want it to be this way, but it is.
>>10556906
>>10556908
The cards ward in the busiest hospital in my uni has jazz playing in the coridors, every doc has time for coffee and a cigarette and they seem laid back as a whole. And they have hard cases, it's not like they don't have work, I think they just handle shit like that. Private practices are laid back too. Do echos all day and prescribe b-blockers lul.

Anonymous Sun Apr 14 08:39:22 2019 No.10556974

>>10556945
absolutely based pic. Psych is cool imo, but not for everybody.

>>10556956
>>10556963
>more interested in reconstructive side of things
It's fine, I guess. Mastectomy patients, burn injury patients, severe trauma patients are all pretty common.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 14 08:41:44 2019 No.10556982 >>10556971 >he doesn't want to be sexist https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nobel_laureates_in_Physiology_or_Medicine

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 14 08:44:15 2019 No.10556988 >>10555800 infectology is microbiology applied to pathology.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 14 08:47:04 2019 No.10556992 >>10556982 Counted only 4 women. Based and sexpilled.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 14 08:50:08 2019 No.10556999 >>10556992 and all of them won the prize with another guy.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 14 08:59:50 2019 No.10557014 >>10556999 Trips of truth.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 14 09:03:20 2019 No.10557022 >>10556963 >>10556974 In both cases the studies/residency are the same, I was asking more about what it's like.

Anonymous Sun Apr 14 09:05:12 2019 No.10557027

>>10557022
I have no idea, I'm just a med student that's not interested in any way in surgery. I have a friend that's nuts about it and goes to workshops and conferences specifically about plastic surgery. That should be a good starting point to get into it.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 14 09:33:08 2019 No.10557080 >>10556945 Where are you from?

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 14 09:47:13 2019 No.10557103 >>10557080 Canada. I know it is notoriously difficult for IMG's here apparently.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 14 10:35:46 2019 No.10557231 Anyone here actually have experience of farthagging?

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 14 10:38:38 2019 No.10557242 File: 157 KB, 625x712, 1712JEMSlam-p04.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10557103 And it will probably be even more difficult to get into residency in Australia even if you graduate overthere. I don't know about Ireland though.

Anonymous Sun Apr 14 10:47:38 2019 No.10557257

>>10557242

I've been told by Americans studying in Australia that it's relatively straightforward to at least get an internship after finishing medical school, that is usually about 2 years and then you apply to residency or specialist training spots. The only catch is you kinda need to be flexible on where you can go (rural spots too)

Anonymous Sun Apr 14 11:02:19 2019 No.10557296
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>>10557257
In Australia domestic students are generally allocated before international students and few year ago they had a huge internship shortage (see: http://media.amsa.org.au/committees/isn/publications/20120403_isn_letter_to_current_and_prospective_international_students.pdf).). Check forums and AMSA website before spending your $$$.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 14 11:08:48 2019 No.10557305 >>10557296 Thanks for the link. How about matching in the USA for psych? Very difficult? I'll be honest, if I could do rural psych or just obtain a residency in an "undesirable" location I would be fine with that. I don't really care where I end up.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 14 11:18:50 2019 No.10557330 File: 2.11 MB, 3300x2550, 0001.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10557305 >How about matching in the USA for psych? Very difficult? I'm sorry I have no idea since I'm not in the US.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 14 11:27:59 2019 No.10557336 >>10555275 Woah is that true? I'm ashamed of myself to say that that actually sounds fucking awesome.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 14 11:29:12 2019 No.10557339 >>10557330 That ECG doesn't look like STEMI. What is it? Imo it looks like hyperkalemia, just look at those T waves + the high QRS but there are no P waves either or at least I can't see them.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 14 11:30:21 2019 No.10557340 test

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 14 11:32:58 2019 No.10557341 >>10557339 It's not a STEMI or hyperK. I'll give answer if nobody find.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 14 11:34:32 2019 No.10557344 >>10557341 Answer please, I have no idea. I can see some bifid P waves in V2, V3 altough not so sure. Damn, I'm shit at this.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 14 11:41:37 2019 No.10557354 File: 2.08 MB, 3300x2550, 0002.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10557344 Same patient, ECG after treatment. That's all you'll have for now :^) I'll be back in few hours.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 14 11:55:15 2019 No.10557389 >>10557354 Narrow and tall QRS + elevated T wave. Is it a right and left ventricle hypertrophy, the patient is an athlete or something? Isn't that atrial fibrilation?

Anonymous Sun Apr 14 12:13:07 2019 No.10557433

>>10557231

Me. Posted about it yesterday. Have been out-and-out bullied by two resident surgeons as a medical student. Ignoring my questions, making me get coffee for them and the other students, telling patients I’m just here on work experience, giving all the other students easy questions and then asking me something ludicrously obscure, and, yes, farting on me.

Tomorrow I’ll be reporting them to both their attending surgeon and the manager of their surgical department, so will let you guys know how that goes.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 14 12:14:54 2019 No.10557434 >>10557433 Why don't you just tell them to fuck off man?

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 14 12:19:07 2019 No.10557444 >>10557433 This had me in tears laughing, I really hope it's not true. If it is then I wish you luck. Fuck bullying.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 14 12:41:26 2019 No.10557487 >>10557433 Let us know how it went.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 14 13:46:10 2019 No.10557631 What's the best residency if I want to do research?

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 14 13:46:44 2019 No.10557634 >>10557631 Pathology, med bio or oncology

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 14 14:01:36 2019 No.10557679 File: 35 KB, 405x720, 200 - t7qgUwE.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10557631 As the other anon said, path and onc are top tier. Also top tier: IC/Anaesthesia, nephrology, even sleep medicine is fun.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 14 15:18:45 2019 No.10557915 >>10557354 >>10557330 WPW, s/p ablation

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 14 15:21:51 2019 No.10557923 >>10557433 >making me get coffee for them and the other students Sorry bro but this had me in tears laughing

Anonymous Sun Apr 14 15:26:56 2019 No.10557938

>>10555374
Just do a PhD in computer vision from a top university. You can go into medical imaging or self driving cars if medicine doesn't work out.
There is going to be an increased need for geriatric doctors as lifespan increases, as well as for neuro/psych as people become increasingly antisocial.
Welcome to the real world.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 14 15:31:25 2019 No.10557949 >>10557915 Oh shit you're right. Now that I look better, there is the delta wave before QRS.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 14 15:31:32 2019 No.10557950 File: 10 KB, 175x175, 175px-OB-creature-Goblin_Witch.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10555155 If I have PTSD and autism what is the likeliness that I can be a good nurse? I am halfway through my college's program with straight A's so far.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 14 15:32:07 2019 No.10557951 >>10557923 Kek, the >other students part got me killed

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 14 15:32:08 2019 No.10557952 >>10557938 But what about the cool cyberpunk limbs and brain implants I was promised

Anonymous Sun Apr 14 15:33:39 2019 No.10557958

>>10557305
Psych has become more popular in recent years and is becoming harder to get into in the US. However, if you don't limit yourself to "desirable" cities and programs, you'll probably be okay with good clerkship grades in psych, a good sub-I and a strong Step 1 score.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 14 15:38:38 2019 No.10557966 >>10555155 should I go to a foreign school right out of high school, get an MBBS, and then come back to the US to avoid having to waste 4 years in college? How badly would that look on my residency application?

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 14 15:46:52 2019 No.10557990 >>10557950 All nurses are crazy, you'll be fine

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 14 16:27:13 2019 No.10558094 >>10557958 Thank you. What score should I be aiming for on STEP 1? Theoretically let's say my score is not that great, somewhere between 190-220. Death sentence or can you still match to some really shitty location?

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 14 16:42:04 2019 No.10558137 File: 876 KB, 2979x1787, 1605164-large.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10557330 >>10557354 >>10557915 >>10557949 Correct!

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 14 16:53:48 2019 No.10558189 >>10558094 FWIW you could practice psychiatry anywhere in the UK. It’s woefully under subscribed.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 14 16:55:06 2019 No.10558192 >>10557966 You can't get any decent speciality, unless you obliterate step1 and even then it's difficult

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 14 17:35:05 2019 No.10558303 Can any specialist theoretically become a GP if they want to? Which specialists are well-rounded enough for it?

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 14 17:43:12 2019 No.10558323 >>10558303 AFAIK, internal medicine can go into primary care.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 14 17:56:10 2019 No.10558358 >>10558323 Only IM?

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 14 17:56:39 2019 No.10558361 >>10558358 Yep, that's pretty much it.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 14 18:09:27 2019 No.10558379 >>10558189 Is it difficult to get a residency in the UK if I graduated from Australia.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 14 18:11:21 2019 No.10558387 >>10558379 EU get priority, you'll be competing with Chang and pajeet

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 14 18:11:30 2019 No.10558388 >>10558379 What do you want to train in? For the most part the answer is 'no'.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 14 18:23:47 2019 No.10558415 >>10558387 What if I have an EU passport? I have never lived in Europe but through my mother (ancestry) was able to get it. >>10558388 I am only interested in psychiatry.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 14 18:27:31 2019 No.10558420 Pros and cons of family med?

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 14 18:33:17 2019 No.10558428 >>10558189 Really? I always thought psychiatry would be one of the more popular options?

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 14 18:45:53 2019 No.10558456 is candida auris going to exterminate us?

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 14 18:54:35 2019 No.10558471 >>10558456 I was thinking about asking this too. Ah shit

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 14 19:20:51 2019 No.10558545 >>10558456 What makes you think it will exterminate us? Doesn't it normally only fuck with immunocompromised pts?

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 14 19:23:18 2019 No.10558549 >>10558545 i don't know, i'm just 2nd year pharmacy student

Anonymous Sun Apr 14 20:04:45 2019 No.10558654

>>10558549
He’s right, from what I’ve read it’s only threatening the young and elderly. The mortality rate is high (I saw 40%, don’t know how accurate it is) but I wouldn’t worry about it too much. It’s more interesting that several strains cropped up around the same time. I have no idea what the explanation for that is.

Anonymous Sun Apr 14 20:20:51 2019 No.10558682

>>10555891
>I don't qualify for any GPA weighing formulas in Ontario.
I was just going to say...
Consider doing a masters before going abroad, though. Lowers the minimum GPA required for Toronto. Might not help you much but at least you'll get your foot in the door. Also I feel like premed101 would be more helpful to you than 4chan.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 14 20:24:47 2019 No.10558690 >>10558682 I wonder if you have a chance at schools that don't look at all 4 years - or maybe those require you to be on a full-time course load. Western (best 2-yrs), Queens (most recent 2), Ottawa (3 years only).

Anonymous Sun Apr 14 20:50:37 2019 No.10558740

>>10558690

I looked into this. UBC (IP) will drop my lowest year so my average should be around 80% or so. Taking a 5th year and should qualify for Calgary's GPA formula. As long as I keep my grades up, I might have a chance. Will be throwing an application at McMaster if I score 130+ on CARS but as an OOP applicant that 3.65 is likely a death sentence. I could apply to Toronto and write an academic explanation essay but I doubt theybwould care about the reasons. I have been considering doing a masters degree in neuroscience or clinical psyc before going to med school but I dunno.

Anonymous Sun Apr 14 20:50:42 2019 No.10558741

Talk me out of nursing.

My current job pays well but I hate it, and am considering pursuing a nursing career via an accelerated BSN program. Health care / medicine has always interested me, I work well with people, I'm fairly intelligent, and can multitask and perform well under pressure. I think I'd make a good nurse, and I have a supportive family and enough savings so that I'd only have to take out modest loans.

I have no problem with bodily fluids / wiping assholes for a living - if I can make a positive impact on just one person's life it will be infinitely more fulfilling than my current dead-end job.

31 years old with a wife and 18-month old son.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 14 20:53:09 2019 No.10558745 >>10558549 >>10558654 Yeah i read into it a bit more, right now its not an imminent threat but it's pretty alarming how much resistance is going on, we gotta stop this shit

Anonymous Sun Apr 14 20:56:38 2019 No.10558753

>>10558741
shit pay plus the fact that many nurses seem to have an inferiority complex and to be bitter. Also you do a ton of scut work like collecting stool samples, cleaning patients, changing dressings, etc. If you can deal with all that then its fine

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 14 20:57:16 2019 No.10558755 >>10558753 This is true fuck them

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 14 21:13:00 2019 No.10558779 Will I finally get a girlfriend once I get into med/dental school?

Anonymous Sun Apr 14 21:16:50 2019 No.10558786

>>10558753

>Shit pay
Average reported income for RNs in my area is around $40 / hr. I know realistically it'll be less at first, but I can leverage a couple years experience into a higher paying position, no?

>Inferiority complex / bitter
I give no fucks about what other people think about me and have no illusions about my own knowledge. There's no shame in admitting ignorance and asking questions - what I don't know now I will know later.

>Ton of scut work
No problemo. Shit is necessary and doing it with competence makes everything else run more smoothly.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 14 21:26:06 2019 No.10558803 Alright sciencefags. Riddle me this. How the fuck do we deal with superbugs?

Anonymous Sun Apr 14 21:27:19 2019 No.10558805

>>10558741
It’s a fine career as long as you can put up with obnoxious patients, obnoxious doctors who will bitch at you for no reason or their own mistakes, and the fact that most people you meet from now on will ask you why you didn’t become a doctor instead. You can make big money as an RN but your hours will almost certainly be horrible, not necessarily in volume but in having to work weird shifts. Turnover rate is high because most people can’t handle the stress. Hopefully you’ve gotten some exposure so you won’t be blindsided.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 14 21:28:19 2019 No.10558810 >>10558779 Sorry bro it's genetic. My grandfather already had a kid before he was married or in dental school.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 14 21:41:01 2019 No.10558844 >>10558786 >I Can't really comment on the pay not sure how that works, but if you can get over the inferiority stuff and the scut work then go for it, im sure the job can be rewarding

Anonymous Sun Apr 14 21:48:26 2019 No.10558855

>>10558786
Volunteer at a hospital and see if you like it. If scut work and inferiority complexes don't affect you, I think it is a perfect career.
At least in Canada, nursing is a excellent profession. There is plenty of room to be promoted. CRNA nurses earn more then some surgeons and specialists, in Canada. You can also work in administration. In Canada, an regular RN has an hourly salary 80% of a doctor; your also protected by a good union in Canada.
Also, plenty of nurses work outside of a hospital. In office environments, working on things like immunizations plans and stuff.
Take what I'm saying with a grain of salt. I'm a electrical engineering PHD (Eng.D) student. My gf is an endocrinology resident. My dad was a radiologist.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 14 21:50:01 2019 No.10558859 >>10558855 Forgot to mention you work excellent hours (35 hours per week).Albeit they are usually scheduled weirdly. SO be prepared to work on weekends. This is for Canada

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 15 00:03:24 2019 No.10559158 >>10557330 >almost zero pr interval >normal qrs size, maybe delta wave in v1 Its wolfparkinson-white, right?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 15 00:05:46 2019 No.10559163 >>10558803 nuke pakies and it will sort itself out

Anonymous Mon Apr 15 01:34:34 2019 No.10559315
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>>10558415
Not the guy you responded to but by "EU" he probably means those who have done their med schools in EU additionally to the nationality criteria.

Moreover, if you're really only interested in psychiatry, you might have terrible times in med school as psychiatry is only a small part of most programs.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 15 01:37:41 2019 No.10559320 >>10559315 I mean I am opened to family med too (as you can do some outpatient psych through that). Ideally I'd like to do something in primary care overall. I'm sure I will generally dislike med school but I do love anatomy.

Anonymous Mon Apr 15 01:51:02 2019 No.10559336
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>>10559320
OK, you can always change your mind during your rotations anyway. If you're the guy I was talking to yesterday, this forum is pretty good if you search reliable information (there is a International Medical Forums category) : https://forums.studentdoctor.net/

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 15 01:52:44 2019 No.10559341 >>10559336 Thank you anon. I really hope if I end up taking this route I don't end up fucking up. Matching into a residency or obtaining a junior doctor internship is the most important thing.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 15 01:58:59 2019 No.10559348 File: 134 KB, 850x753, somethingswrong_3.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10559341 No worries, I'm sure you'll be fine.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 15 02:08:20 2019 No.10559355 >>10558803 It’s just a bigger hornet.

Anonymous Mon Apr 15 04:03:52 2019 No.10559543

>>10555155
I'm the person who worried about having diabeetus or something chronic and the one who didn't want to show their foot to the informative but annoyed poster.
I rathee the annoyed-of-me poster to respond but anyone else is free to do so too. I don't have an infection, turns out I have only a low vitamin D deficiency, to be exact, of 10. But the doctor will call me tomorrow to explain more because I asked what problem I might have. The secretaris said that the doctor noted that the vitamin D has no relation to any of my symptoms. That's bad for me, because it's something chronic like f*bromyalgia.
My legs are purpleish, reddish, depending on day, and hurt, a lot, i can't move them, they're stiff and swollen. What chronic but undetectable in blood and vitamin D deficiency of 10 problem do I have?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 15 04:04:54 2019 No.10559545 >>10559543 Could, not do.*

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 15 04:08:36 2019 No.10559548 >>10559543 What about you go to a doctor instead of asking on a Filipino cartoon board?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 15 04:41:33 2019 No.10559592 >>10559543 Rheumatoid arthritis? That's the only thing that comes to mind that's related to joints and vitamin D, and in some cases may cause inflammation of the legs and swelling but it's very unlikely that it's RA.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 15 04:52:31 2019 No.10559604 >>10559592 So it doesn't sound like fybriomyalgia?

Anonymous Mon Apr 15 05:02:12 2019 No.10559619

>>10555155
so I learned the other day that a lot of med students get experience doing OB/GYN exams with a speculum on women on the operating table, the women aren't informed about it beforehand or after, and don't give consent. Anyone else hear of this? Anyone else give enough of a fuck to do something about it?

I'm an RN student, saw it on the nursing subreddit and asked some faculty and they had heard about it, agreed it's hugely unethical, but kinda shrugged as to what/how to take action

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 15 05:07:15 2019 No.10559625 >>10559619 Yes, it happens even in court cases. It's horrible. No one will do anything about it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 15 05:17:02 2019 No.10559639 >>10559619 They have to learn somehow, don't they?

Anonymous Mon Apr 15 05:25:35 2019 No.10559652

>>10559619
>>10559625
I agree that it's immoral, but if the woman never knows about it and there is nothing to indicate that an exam has been performed on her, is it really harmful? I mean it can't be equated to rape, since the action is not harmful to the person and only serves to educate med students.

Anonymous Mon Apr 15 05:25:59 2019 No.10559654

>>10555155

If I study medicine in the UK and want to get a family medicine residency in the USA, what scores should I be getting on the USMLE? I doubt I'll be able to get more than 210-220 as I suck at test tasting and it's bothering me. I'm ok with going somewhere more remote/rural too.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 15 05:40:00 2019 No.10559680 >>10558779 No, you'll just be an incel with 200k of debt

Anonymous Mon Apr 15 05:46:28 2019 No.10559691
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>pulmonology rotation
>FM 2nd year resident is on shift too
>ask her if she's happy with FM
>"FM is what I wanted to do since day 1 of medschool"

At the residency exam she was in top 100 which means she could've chose whatever spec she wanted. Damn, I wish I will be a family physician like that.

Anonymous Mon Apr 15 05:55:44 2019 No.10559702

>>10559652
There's still potential for harm if anyone violates HIPPA, the women's right to autonomy and if she has strict views on chastity and what she allows to be done to her genitalia then there's some pretty significant psychological harm done.

I'm half tempted to find a similarly-minded OR nurse, and when the patient seems like they'd be willing to sue tip them off and hope to advance legal precedent and get that hospital to make policy changes. That's the only easy way to start combating it I can think of that doesn't involve organising around the issue.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 15 05:58:53 2019 No.10559708 File: 41 KB, 396x382, hrtyhere.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10559702

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 15 06:30:52 2019 No.10559743 >>10559702 >significant psychological harm done She's asleep for fucks sake, just let us learn how to finger a woman, that's our only chance!

Anonymous Mon Apr 15 06:36:50 2019 No.10559751

>>10559702

Absolutely based. More people going into medicine needs to have this mindset. You cannot be in a humanistic profession without being human, and empathy is arguably a defining feature of that. Autistic man children with no concern for ethics, patient advocacy, or bedside manner are the most insufferable cunts to be around.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 15 06:37:37 2019 No.10559752 >>10559751 So...surgeons?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 15 06:38:42 2019 No.10559757 >>10559752 Exactly.

Anonymous Mon Apr 15 06:41:32 2019 No.10559763

All senior doctor I've met don't follow bullshit professionalism we learn in class. They're always blunt and to the point.

Honestly I've never understood the empathy meme, doctors need to fix your body, not be your mommy. But I am going for surgery, if that explains anything.

>>10559751
I hate guys like you

Anonymous Mon Apr 15 06:41:59 2019 No.10559765
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>>10559652
>but if the woman never knows about it and there is nothing to indicate that an exam has been performed on her
>mean it can't be equated to rape, since the action is not harmful to the person
lol
by your logic somebody putting on a condom, giving some unconscious person drugs to relax their muscles, and then fugging them, is of no harm or concern since
>"herpderp they were unconscious and did not feel it nor will know about it"
do you ever stop to consider what your beliefs are ?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 15 06:43:36 2019 No.10559768 >>10559757 >this guy on every med thread complaining about surgeons Stop being so buthurt about surgeons and move on, you massive faggot.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 15 06:44:18 2019 No.10559769 >>10559763 This. Even my mom that's a family physician isn't acting that empathetic towards the patients. You came in for a refill? Here, done. You came here for a check up? You have a cold, here are the meds, next. Empathy is a fucking meme, lads.

Anonymous Mon Apr 15 06:53:28 2019 No.10559784

>>10559763
>>10559769

If I had to guess, I'd say you were Anglo subhumans. But that's another story. No one is saying every encounter with a patient has to be a hand holding goody feely experience. That can get fucking exhausting and let's be honest doctors are not superhumans. They get fed up with patients bullshit sometimes. But it's still important to be able to understand others, their emotions, and be able to place yourself in their shoes. Especially when dealing with those who are vulnerable and/or traumatized. I hate guys like you, always so objective, cynical, purely analytical. No room for human emotion, building rapport, or any regard for the oath you take. To me, people like you are the worst because you probably do medicine for the status and other such pointless empty, vapid reasons. Medical schools need to start implementing autist filter tests and some personality inventories into the application process to weed out freaks like you.

>>10559768

What are you talking about? I never hated on surgeons before. But it's not a surprise nobody likes you.

Anonymous Mon Apr 15 06:57:46 2019 No.10559790

>>10559784
Absolutely seething. You can do well as a doc even without that much empathy. A professional attitude does the job, basically listen to your patient -> advice/prescription/whatever->next patient. You'll get mentally exhausted if you would listen to every patient about what is going on in their life (Especially in FM).

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 15 06:58:17 2019 No.10559791 No one cares about your SJW faggotery, please leave and don't come back.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 15 07:00:46 2019 No.10559795 >>10559765 >tumblr filename Checks out. I never said it wasn't immoral, I just said that there was no harm done since you're doing a medical procedure, not bringing her to pound town.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 15 07:01:52 2019 No.10559797 >>10559790 Yes of course, what did I just say? Sometimes though you need to exercise empathy depending on the patient and situation. If you do not have this ability you do not belong in medicine unless you want to do pathology or radiology.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 15 07:02:43 2019 No.10559799 >>10559797 I'm going into a clinical specialty even though I'm bad with people and there's nothing you can do to stop me. :^)

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 15 07:03:21 2019 No.10559800 >>10559797 Any sane doctor would do that, but the best method is to not be so "friendly". Just choose your "favourite" pts and there you go.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 15 07:04:25 2019 No.10559804 >>10559784 The most competent physicians I've met were usually very cold and uncaring, but professional and to the point. Keep seething.

Anonymous Mon Apr 15 07:11:03 2019 No.10559810

>>10559800

Yes I agree

>>10559799

>Going into a clinical specialty even though I'm bad with people

Recipe for disaster, mark my words, your patients will eat you for breakfast and you will be miserable. If you're bad with people you should consider something with less patient contact. It can get mentally taxing to deal with patients constantly if you don't have the proper interpersonal skills.

>>10559804

>Cold and uncaring

That's a big yikes from me, sounds like they need to be checked out by the shrink, maybe checked for antisocial traits

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 15 07:12:50 2019 No.10559813 >>10559810 >something with less patient contact Radiology is uninteresting, pathology is for literal autists.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 15 07:13:51 2019 No.10559817 >>10559813 He said less pt contact, not zero.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 15 07:14:12 2019 No.10559818 >>10559813 >pathology is for literal autists. well what are you waiting for?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 15 07:15:44 2019 No.10559821 >>10559817 All other clinical and surgical specs have a similar degree of patient contact. >>10559818 I'm not autistic, just not very empathetic (outwardly at least).

Anonymous Mon Apr 15 07:18:38 2019 No.10559830

>>10559810
Dude, not every physician has to be engaging and pretend to care about everything the patient says. Unless you're in FM or psych, it's fine to be expeditious, it doesn't mean you're a sociopath lmao
Maybe it's very different in the US but you're blowing this out of proportion. A lot of specialists are cold or even downright assholes, that's just how it is.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 15 07:18:57 2019 No.10559831 >>10559821 >similar degree of patient contact Anaesthesia? Most of your patients are asleep and in the ICU they're mostly dead.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 15 07:20:05 2019 No.10559832 >>10559831 Anesthetists deal with patients to the same extent as surgeons.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 15 07:23:37 2019 No.10559833 File: 20 KB, 258x245, 209 - rL6RYm4.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10559832 >to the same extent as surgeons

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 15 07:24:00 2019 No.10559834 >>10559821 >just not very empathetic red flag my friend, get yourself evaluated

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 15 07:25:02 2019 No.10559837 >>10559830 Of course not, I'm not saying they should be. But being constantly cold towards vulnerable patients? big warning sign they are fucked in the head.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 15 07:27:28 2019 No.10559841 >>10559833 Yes.

Anonymous Mon Apr 15 07:29:32 2019 No.10559847

>>10559837
>But being constantly cold towards vulnerable patients?

EM docs already do it.

>>10559841
Not in a milion years. Much less pt contact. Surgeons have to evaluate the patient after it was admitted, have to check up on the pt post surgery and so on. Anaesthesists just put him to sleep, ICU after surgery and back in the room.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 15 07:30:52 2019 No.10559849 >>10559834 >anyone who isn't like me is a psychopath/autist/whatever Honestly you sound like the one with problems. And learn to read, I didn't say I had no empathy.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 15 07:35:24 2019 No.10559855 >>10559837 >being constantly cold towards vulnerable patients I mean most surgeons are kinda shitty towards patients. It's not a stereotype for nothing.

Anonymous Mon Apr 15 07:38:34 2019 No.10559859

>>10559849

Hey now stop putting words in my mouth and being rude. I never said you were a psychopath. Furthermore I read exactly what you said. You're not very empathetic at least outwardly. You're probably not a psycho but maybe have some kind of emotional and social deficiencies if I had to guess. It sounds like you have difficulty expressing yourself. I think you should get yourself checked out by a psychiatrist or maybe at least see a therapist. You sound like you need someone to talk to.

As for me, yes I have some problems but it is mainly from depression and some complicated situations I probably should not talk about here

Anonymous Mon Apr 15 07:43:47 2019 No.10559865

>>10559859
Huh well my bad, your posts came off as asshole-ish.
Maybe I do but I don't really see what that has to do with my overall capability to succeed in medicine.
I don't see how you'd gather from my posts that I "need someone to talk to" especially since people express themselves way differently on here than they do IRL.

Anonymous Mon Apr 15 08:01:13 2019 No.10559887

>>10559865

Well I just believe in the biopsychosocial model of care. There are shortcomings to strictly the medical model. Health encompasses much more than a lot of people realize. It is important to adopt a holistic style of medical practice tjat focuses on all aspects of a persons well being.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 15 09:01:46 2019 No.10559982 >>10559784 I did medicine for the money and prestige. That's what happens when you grow up poor as fuck. And I am an Anglo, I am as Machiavellian as humanly possible, but that's what it took to get this far.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 15 09:03:40 2019 No.10559985 >>10559982 Honestly don't see the issue as long as you're good

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 15 09:04:02 2019 No.10559987 >>10559810 You sound like a chick or a middle class poofta

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 15 09:05:56 2019 No.10559991 >>10559855 Eh you can't blame them, how many people have died on their table. After 500 surgeries you will change.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 15 09:18:57 2019 No.10560020 >>10559991 The problem is that they take that blame and it's revealed in their success rate. Otherwise, they would be normal.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 15 09:47:37 2019 No.10560074 wtf is this sjw shit going on?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 15 09:56:39 2019 No.10560091 File: 151 KB, 1080x648, bIAIL8k.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10560074 Reddit dumb cunt as usual >>10559619

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 15 10:36:33 2019 No.10560189 >tfw farthagged pajeet didn't update

Anonymous Mon Apr 15 11:29:12 2019 No.10560288

>>10559619
Just FYI, male OB/GYN students have a horrible time getting procedures and experience done they need. Most of the time patients don’t want students involved, especially males. I’m not defending the practice but pointing out why it happens. My OB/GYN rotation was utterly pointless. I was sent home or just studied elsewhere for basically the entire time because of patients not wanting med students present. Can’t imagine how much of a pain in the ass it would be if you actually wanted to do OB/GYN.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 15 11:30:15 2019 No.10560295 >>10560288 >if you actually wanted to do OB/GYN. Do any male students actually want to though?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 15 11:34:03 2019 No.10560310 >>10560295 The percentage of males entering the field is definitely sharply declining due to what is basically an extremely hostile training and work environment, but they’re out there.

Anonymous Mon Apr 15 11:55:07 2019 No.10560365

>>10560288
Kek, when I had ER rotations, a young female came in with pelvic pain. Altough she wanted me and a colleague out of there while she got checked the attending didn't give a fuck, told her we're future doctors and have to learn. So the gal shut up and we got to see procedures and pussy. (In the end she had an ectopic pregnancy that got detected very early) Is that shit a law in America or something? (Romanian here)

Anonymous Mon Apr 15 11:57:48 2019 No.10560371

>>10560365
No I don’t think it’s a law here. I’ve heard different things but really I think it depends on the attending. I’ve heard stories similar to yours in America where the attending just says tough shit. It probably has something to do with whether you’re at a teaching hospital as well.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 15 12:00:53 2019 No.10560381 >>10560189 Some say he’s still out there, buying coffees for the crew and getting farted on.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 15 12:26:29 2019 No.10560440 >>10560371 Then your attending was pretty shit, imo. >>10560381 Man, I'd really like to know how the whole thing went. Not so sure he has the balls to report residents to their attending but if it happens, THE MADMAN.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 15 12:39:51 2019 No.10560457 >>10560440 My impression is it’s pretty common in the US for that to happen during OB/GYN rotations. I’ve heard some talk about making OB/GYN an elective rotation. Personally I’m in favor, mine was a total waste of time.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 15 12:51:28 2019 No.10560468 >>10560457 Idk about America but here 9/10 ob/gyn residents are female. I personally am not interested in obstetrics or gynecology, I just want FM but extra knowledge is always useful.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 15 12:52:25 2019 No.10560470 >>10559543 Annoyed poster here, have you had this before like an episode? Do you have any changes in foot structure except color? Is your foot hot when you touch it? Both feet are symmetrically in same condition?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 15 12:56:47 2019 No.10560475 >>10559619 Fuck outta here

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 15 12:58:55 2019 No.10560481 >>10559702 Holy shit hahahaaha i swear this snowflakes will hinder science more than medieval church ever did

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 15 13:04:46 2019 No.10560491 >>10560288 Czech med student here. The gynecologists doesn't give a damn if the patients doen't want us to see. Basically they say, either you let the student observe the procedure or we won't preform the procedure at all.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 15 13:20:07 2019 No.10560527 >>10560491 I think that’s how it should be. It’s not like med students are random people, they’re future doctors. It doesn’t help that almost everyone I’ve met in OB/GYN is a miserable bastard and terrible to both residents and students.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 15 13:36:10 2019 No.10560572 >>10558303 Psychiatry is a good specialisation.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 15 13:38:40 2019 No.10560577 >>10560572 >outofcontext.mp3

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 15 13:41:35 2019 No.10560584 Is infectology good for research?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 15 14:29:19 2019 No.10560701 How do you deal with smug, overly-keen wimmin on your program? There’s too many of them

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 15 14:30:52 2019 No.10560704 >>10560701 Are you fucking blind? >>10555202 you have plenty of replies there. Now stop wasting replies with shitty questions that have been answered.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 15 15:17:52 2019 No.10560842 >>10560584 Yes.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 15 15:21:06 2019 No.10560857 >>10555577 which post-bacc took you with a 2.9?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 15 15:30:13 2019 No.10560878 How can I improve my blood circulation? I exercise and drink a lot of water, but my hands and feet are cold all the time.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 15 15:41:50 2019 No.10560896 >>10560878 Cut them off so you won't have peripheral circulation left. Just become a torso. You'll be fine, I guarantee it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 15 15:46:34 2019 No.10560905 >>10560878 That's normal if you're a wmn

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 15 15:46:36 2019 No.10560906 >>10560896 Alright, thanks anon.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 15 15:47:39 2019 No.10560912 >>10560905 No, I'm a guy.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 15 15:48:01 2019 No.10560914 >>10560288 Lmfao in the UK nobody cares if they're male or female

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 15 15:51:35 2019 No.10560928 >>10560912 Time to get on HRT

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 15 15:53:51 2019 No.10560932 >>10560912 Thank God.

Anonymous Mon Apr 15 15:55:51 2019 No.10560942
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>>10560932
But not that impressive. Imagine that if he has poor peripheral circulation, he can barely get his dick erect so because of this he hates women which means he's an incel, not a chad fucc boi like us famalam.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 15 15:58:16 2019 No.10560943 >>10560942 My erections and opinions on women are fine, I just get cold hands and feet. Aren't you guys supposed to be helpful?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 15 16:00:59 2019 No.10560949 >>10560943 >seriously asking health advice on a Filipino cartoon board Go to your FM you mong.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 15 16:02:00 2019 No.10560955 >>10560949 I'm not gonna go to my GP for something so minor though, hence why I'm asking here. It's not a handicap, it's just annoying.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 15 16:11:51 2019 No.10560966 >>10560878 Wear thicker socks and keep your hands in your pockets

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 15 16:17:23 2019 No.10560972 >>10560966 unironically this.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 15 17:06:40 2019 No.10561108 >>10560955 Exercise and lower you stress levels, while you do this consider getting more iron in your diet, liver or leafy greens like spinach. You don't have to see a doctor, but a blood test could check for anemia if this is recent thing.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 15 17:20:12 2019 No.10561136 >>10561108 >lower you stress levels How to do that durably? Stress is really hard to get rid of when it's been there for years.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 15 17:23:23 2019 No.10561139 >>10561136 Go to your gp ffs lad

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 15 17:29:06 2019 No.10561151 Since this appears to be the dedicated thread for me to ask about my medical problems without seeing my doctor I have chlamydia (trust me, I do) How many bottles of pet store penicillin should I take before it's gone?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 15 17:32:45 2019 No.10561160 >>10559982 Anglos are subhuman scum. I hope you get sued for malpractice one day.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 15 17:33:58 2019 No.10561161 >>10559987 And you sound like you're still a kissless incel.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 15 17:44:14 2019 No.10561184 >>10561136 You need a therapist, not 4chan.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 15 17:45:56 2019 No.10561190 >>10559987 That’s 99% of English medical students. Throw in the slimy poos and the insular orientals and you have a full cohort.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 15 17:50:54 2019 No.10561202 >>10560091 You've never been to reddit? I'm the poster you replied to, I've been on 4chan since 2007. 4chan isn't the golden standard for anything, it's generally the shit standard for most things actually.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 15 17:52:43 2019 No.10561205 >>10560491 I can respect that, I'm the original poster about the exam issue. But doing an exam on someone unconscious who never knows about it is quite different then actually approaching a conscious patient and trying to get students involved.

Anonymous Mon Apr 15 18:13:35 2019 No.10561248

>3.9 GPA in first 2 years because basically straight A's
>school is fun
>transfer from community college to university
>quality of teaching goes significantly down
>GPA is still mostly A but take more B's because of it
>not fun anymore
>GPA ruined
>Pharmacy schools look for upward trend in grades
>my grades trend downwards
>Goodbye this years pharmacy application
Thinking about challenging several of my professors to knife fights to the death for revenge. I probably won't survive all the fights, but I'll at least take a few shitty professors down with me lol.

Clearly just jk. I find it stupid how just getting a shit professor whose section has a 13% drop out rate compared to 2% for the same class but different section and professor, is all it takes to severely alter your career path.

This is also why I don't respect most medical professional as much anymore. A few of you guys are cool and deserve it, but I think most either save-scummed, sucked dick, used nepotism, or complained their way to good grade/acceptance. I saw a man cry because he got a B on the first midterm in this class and the prof bumped him up to an A-.

To put this in perspective:
>70% final
>pharmacokinetics math
>realize I need to prove myself
>55/61 on the final. Midterm was 29/30. A+
>Person failed both and got a B+
>That person is now in pharmacy school
HOW? Why do I keep getting overlooked?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 15 18:15:04 2019 No.10561256 >>10561248 >HOW? Why do I keep getting overlooked? I should have mentioned they got in last year while I got rejected.

Anonymous Mon Apr 15 18:26:02 2019 No.10561290

>>10561248
My grades were a lot better when I had the energy to complain
Then one day in bioethics they called security on me, and the department chair took this incident as reason to ignore whatever my complain was. Even though I was genuinely right that time.
Now I just live with the bullshit professors sling like everyone else while other premeds step all over me.

Anonymous Mon Apr 15 18:31:08 2019 No.10561302

>>10561290
That sounds like you went full /pol/ though. By complain I meant like the dude who literally shed tears over his B, which he got because is not a bright dude. Or the people who dropped my rank in this one class because they went to the professor to argue about grades when we were already at 95%. Like rly? You need to complain when you got 95%? Fags.

Anonymous Mon Apr 15 18:33:53 2019 No.10561305

>>10561248

Can definitely relate to this. Professors are mostly cunts. Highly doubt I will get into a med school in my country anymore and will now have to go to a slightly less competitive international school despite my A- average overall. 2 B-'s, 1 B and 1 B+ significantly killed my GPA.

Anonymous Mon Apr 15 18:38:40 2019 No.10561314

Surgical technologist, or Physical Therapy Assistant? Im engaged to an RN, her sister is a Doctor and her husband is a Hand Surgeon. I’ve basically got a great in for a job at a hospital right out of school, if I choose surgical technologist but in a tad skeptical about the difference in schooling, hours, work environment, and also ive heard working with some surgeons can be a nightmare. Any tips or advice?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 15 18:47:54 2019 No.10561330 >>10561248 complains about nepotism >>10561314 talks about his nepotism. LOL.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 15 18:48:48 2019 No.10561333 >>10561160 You can't get sued like that in the UK, were not slaves to the patients like you in the US You speak from privileged, you don't know what the grind is like for us high IQ northern poor folk

Anonymous Mon Apr 15 18:53:15 2019 No.10561339

Why is medicine filled with bitches? I honestly think the interview and selection process favour women and by extension effeminate men. People who kiss ass and love to volunteer, people with a caring disposition.

Thoughts? And dont get offended I'm not buying into your muh empathy bs (I'm extremely professional irl)

Anonymous Mon Apr 15 18:56:03 2019 No.10561344

>>10561330

Who gives a shit. Some people get lucky, some people don’t. I personally want to do PTA more than ST, in which I’d have no upper hand. Regardless, If I do the work and earn the degree, then I deserve the job just as much as the next guy. I just happened to have a connection. That’s not something that any of you can’t do yourselves. Med school/doctorate? Upper hand or not, guys like that will still end up in charge of me and making way more than I ever will. Don’t knock me for working my ass off my entire life to even get the opportunity to go to college. Somehow then woman I fell in love with had great connections, and that just so happened to be the greatest thing that’s ever happened to me. After a life of being held back by poor education and parents who never gave a fuck about my career, this is an amazing thing for me.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 15 18:58:04 2019 No.10561346 >>10561330 >grades trend downwards How is this blames on nepotism?

Anonymous Mon Apr 15 19:11:04 2019 No.10561383

>>10561339

Because people in general (as in the general fucking public, your patients) do not want autistic retards who don't care about them. Go on RateMD's and just look at all the lower rated doctors. Majority of complaints are always about how unprofessional/cold/cynical/careless they are. Nobody gives a shit if you studied day and night in undergrad to get your 4.0 in biology you socially stunted freak.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 15 19:27:00 2019 No.10561409 Ignore women in school. Talk over them.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 15 19:36:50 2019 No.10561430 >>10561383 Thank god I'm socially adept and know the game. Chad in the streets, Neet in the sheets.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 15 19:57:31 2019 No.10561473 >>10561409 This is how you get kicked out of med school lol

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 15 20:17:43 2019 No.10561513 >>10561473 it's a SJW false flagging, ignore it.

Anonymous Mon Apr 15 20:28:49 2019 No.10561546

>>10561513

I don't know if you ever go on /pol/ or reddit but a few months back there was this retard medical student in the US who unnecessarily went full autismo during an optional lecture on microaggressions which he chose to attend. The dean was informed, and a disciplinary hearing/committee was formed to decide what to do with him. He recorded the whole thing and put it on 4chan. It's just so cringe. He was hostile to his superiors and trying to challenge them. Dude had absolutely no self awareness. I think he was kicked out permanently like the idiot he is but the dude had absolutely no self awareness. Let me see if I can dig up that cringe fest. https://cloverchronicle.com/2018/12/29/university-of-virginia-med-student-receives-1-year-suspension-after-microaggressions-lecture/

If you search the /pol/ archives you can find the recordings he made and like 1000 posts of him sperging out trying to rally /pol/ to bring harm to the committee members who kicked him out lol

Anonymous Mon Apr 15 21:06:20 2019 No.10561657

>>10561383
agreed. And the doctors that fail at the human element will quickly find themselves enemies of most of the nursing staff and being paged at all hours and generally having a much harder time. The look I've seen a resident or an MD make when they get told off by some nurse and they look around the room and see everyone else look away or just stare back is priceless.

>>10561339
Academia in general has tilted towards women and medicine draws out the empathetic but highly motivated group of them.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 15 22:02:39 2019 No.10561799 >>10561333 Hold your tongue Anglo scum. You have a low IQ and I am not American. Checkmate.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 16 00:10:07 2019 No.10562052 >>10561151 Go to doctor

Anonymous Tue Apr 16 01:25:06 2019 No.10562176

I've had back pain for a while and finally got it xrayed. Mostly seemed fine except the thoracic disks looking a bit far apart and the 5th/6th disc up from pelvis (lumbar/thoracic) is a fucking triangle shape. Is there any hope? I don't know what the fuck went on with that but it looks seriously abnormal

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 16 01:46:11 2019 No.10562203 File: 3.15 MB, 2121x3771, 2019-04-16 15.44.36.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10562176 Pic, what does this look like to /med/?

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 16 02:16:48 2019 No.10562235 >>10562203 Shit pic but disc hernia.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 16 03:02:32 2019 No.10562291 >>10555155 Question for pharma bros, how does naproxen sodium interact with gabapentin? Does it potentiate the neurontin or what is the pharmacology here? Can't get a straight answer from Google so I figured I'd ask you folks.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 16 03:23:18 2019 No.10562318 >>10562203 I'm not an expert but I think that's a window

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 16 03:45:12 2019 No.10562344 >>10561202 Not him but I've tried reddit a few times and the community is just generally insufferable. 4chan's community is also annoying but not in the same way.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 16 03:46:56 2019 No.10562348 >>10561383 Why are people so mean to the socially inept

Anonymous Tue Apr 16 04:02:43 2019 No.10562370

>>10562348

Personally I am not in real life, just the one's in this thread who seemingly have a lot of other issues. Namely hatred of women/disdain for empathetic colleagues/and a lack of regard for patient dignity. But in general, people tend to be cruel to anyone who is pushed to the margins of society. Being socially stunted nowadays is almost like having leprosy in a sense. No one will want to be your friend.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 16 04:28:02 2019 No.10562399 >>10562370 If I'm doing my best to improve will I still be treated badly?

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 16 05:09:34 2019 No.10562441 >>10561546 Rule number one. Do not show your power level in public. Why is this so hard to understand for some people.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 16 05:37:56 2019 No.10562471 >>10561546 Only a 1 year suspension? Damn, if I even dared to challenge a prof, especially during lecture I'd be out in no time.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 16 05:54:52 2019 No.10562485 >>10555155 >>10562484 >>10562484 >>10562484 new bread

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 16 10:48:43 2019 No.10562944 >>10555891 stay out of America you fucking leaffag

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 16 11:51:24 2019 No.10563095 >>10562399 Not by all, but maybe by some. Unfortunately society is full of fucking vain, horrible individuals. But you have my best wishes anon. I hope the best for you.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 16 11:52:51 2019 No.10563097 >>10562944 No, I think I'll come to your shitty country to have sex with your women.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 16 15:00:04 2019 No.10563617 >>10563095 Thank you man.

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