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10554616 No.10554616 [Reply] [Original]

Straight lines are a human abstraction, there aren't any straight lines in the universe.

True or false?

>> No.10554631

True, next question

>> No.10554632

false

>> No.10554644

>pick literally any two points in the universe
>actually draw a straight line between them
>straight lines now exist in the universe

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>> No.10554649

false, Light goes in straight line and light is everywhere.

>> No.10554651

>>10554644
>do something with human abstraction
>it's totally not human abstraction, guys

>>10554646
Not straight on a molecular level, not straight on an atomic level, not even remotely straight on a relativistic level, not even remotely straight on a quantum level. Next

>> No.10554653

>>10554649
>Light goes in straight line
except it does not

>> No.10554655

>>10554649
Light follows a curve because there's no place in the universe without gravity

>> No.10554661

>>10554651
This is a bait.

>> No.10554663

>>10554616
What is light ?

>> No.10554670

>>10554663
Something that can move through the Higgs field unfettered

>> No.10554687

>>10554655
If you’re going to nuance this so far as spacetime curvature then sure, no straight lines exist outside of human abstraction.

>> No.10554696

>>10554651
>molecular level
don't fucking care
he showed you a straight line
you lose

>> No.10554704

Define straight. Geodesic exist and light always follows geodesic paths.

>> No.10554706

>>10554687
>nuance this far
Are you implying relativistic reality is somehow not real? I don't understand what you're getting at

>>10554696
But it's not straight

>> No.10554710

>>10554646
There is not a single straight line in that picture.

>> No.10554728
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>>10554651
>>10554706
>>10554710
WE NEED TO GO DEEPER

>> No.10554777

>>10554706
Where the hell did I say that. Calm the fuck down sperg, jesus lol.

>> No.10554783

Thanks a lot OP.
Time to play some more sc4.
If only people would let me design their cities it would be utopias everywhere.

>> No.10554784

>>10554616
They exist in the real of forms

>> No.10555062

>>10554616
Straight sexuality is a human abstraction, there aren't any straight humans in the universe.

True or false?

>> No.10555068

>>10554616
R E T I C U L A T I N G
S P L I N E S

>> No.10555093

The only "straight" shape that exists in nature is a slightly curved shape. This is due to entropy.

>>10554616
>>10554644
Not even humans can make straight lines.

>>10554646
Those are not straight lines.

>> No.10555210

>>10555062
Probably true

>> No.10555222

>>10554728
yo dem white things that hold them bolbs togethere apear to be straight lines, my dude.

>> No.10555310

>>10554616
Your mom travels in straight line to my house when I dial "Hoe" on my phone.

>> No.10555321

>>10554616
Lines aren't a physical objects. They exist, but nothing made if matter could perfectly match a line.

>> No.10555894

>>10554616
Spomeone show him a crystal

>> No.10555904
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>>10555894

>> No.10555905

>>10555904
Wow big

>> No.10556550

>>10554616
>he doesn't know about Newtonian physics
OP, 4chan is an 18+ website, you 3rd graders aren't allowed here. Also isn't it past your bedtime?

>> No.10556558

>>10555068
I really miss Sim City.

Nothing else comes close. Thetevare other city simulators but they suck ass. Once EA bought Maxis and the marketingfags realized they could sell their computer doll house (The Sims) to future thots for $$$, they stopped developing Sim City, except for that always-online shit, yeah great idea for a game that mostly appeals to introverts force them to always be connected and do a piss poor job at that.

>> No.10556583

>>10554653
>>10554655
Light follows a straight trajectory, it's the spacetime itself that is curved. But within that spacetime the light is going straight

>> No.10557043

Arrangement of atoms in CO2 molecule is along a straight line. Faggot.

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>>10557059
b....brother?

>> No.10557428

>>10557043
Elaborate? Show me the straight line?
>>10554649
The trajectory is an abstraction. Light does not exist as a straight line at any point in time.

>> No.10557528

>>10556558
I don't ever get tired of sim city 4, get the mod that fixes traffic path finding

>> No.10557773

>>10557043
Nope, unless you cool it down to 0K, which is impossible. Above that the atoms vibrate, as per definition, thus they can't be in a straight line.

>> No.10557781

if you take literal definition of "line" then no.
but if we think in finite terms of line segments then yes.
they have egineered perfectly smooth surfaces before.

>> No.10558067

>>10554616
>True or false?
False, Time.

>> No.10558077

>>10557773
Based and chemistrypilled

>> No.10558265

>>10557773
I mean even if you can say three things line up in space is it the same as a straight line existing? For example, any two things in space can be said to have a straight line between them but isn't that just abstraction?

>> No.10558713

>>10554616
Define a straight line.

>> No.10558720

>>10558713
A line that isn't curved :D

>> No.10558997

>>10554616
Riticulating splines

>> No.10559002 [DELETED] 

my PEE pee is straight when I wake up :)

>> No.10559009

>>10556583
/thread

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>>10554616

>> No.10559087

>>10556583
The path it travels through time may be straight but in space there is no line at any given point

>> No.10559570

>>10554655
dumbass, light goes straight
it's the universe that's curved

>> No.10559593

>>10555321
>>Lines aren't a physical objects.
>>10555321
>They exist,
i bet you think that numbers ''''''''''''''''''''exist''''''''''''''''''''

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>>10554616
The edges of the squares in the grid of Planck areas that coats the surface of the infinitely large universe which is the holographic film for existence.
A grid of squares projected onto the surface of a normal sphere would result in curved edges, but not on an infinitely large sphere coated in finite squares.

Checkmate,

DOUBLE.

NIGGER.

>> No.10559759

>>10554616

>pick up a ruler
> place ruler onto sheet of paper
> use hands to put pressure upon ruler to stop it from sliding around
> take pencil
> Draw a line while keeping the tip of the pencil in contact with the ruler’s spine
> conglaturatuons you just invented straight lines

>> No.10559778

>>10554616
In the same way there's no such thing as a perfect circle except in an abstract way. At least not that we have seen. If the universe is infinite there is a 100% chance that straight lines and circles exist in the physical as well.

>> No.10559803

>>10555093
Physicist brainlete trying to math

>> No.10559846

>>10554616
true

>> No.10559850

Human abstractions exist in the universe

>> No.10560418

>>10558067
Since when is time a straight line? Time bends and contracts same as space.

>> No.10560484

>>10560418
Only in relation to other things.
Your internal clock will always ticks forward at the speed of now.

>> No.10560500

>>10554616
Answer was True, thanks to everyone that participated.

Thread has now ceased.

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>>10560484
So you're saying a straight line is not a straight line from another point of view? But from my point of view it's perfectly straight?

>> No.10560651

>>10554655
it goes straight, youre the one thats curved

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dODjoVcuK54

>> No.10561204

False but too obvious to explain why

>> No.10561206

>Straight lines are a human abstraction, there aren't any straight lines in the universe.
All lines, by definition, are straight.
Next question.

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>>10561206
what about telephone lines??

>> No.10561250

False. Straight lines do exist. Just because you can bend the paper doesnt mean there wasnt a straight line drawn on it to begin with.

>> No.10561261

Everything is gay!

>> No.10561270

everything is composed of particles, particles are not straight
imaginary lines between two particles don't exist s dont even (you) me with that shit

>> No.10561278

>>10561270
imaginary lines are real nibba just ask quantum physicists

>> No.10561331

>>10561278
actually a quantum physicist told me imaginary lines aren't real. His name if Geromie and he is really smart

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>>10559778
Unlike straight lines, there are perfect circles. A slice of the observable universe would be a perfect circle.

>> No.10561457

Just Google fractal dimension FFS

>> No.10563064

>>10561447
>A slice of the observable universe would be a perfect circle
What

>> No.10563160

>>10560506
Relativity and frames of reference nigger.

>> No.10563171
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10563171

God draws straight lines with crooked paths.

>> No.10563304

>>10557528
is there a mod that fixes the game crashing on quadcore processors?

>> No.10563319

numbers and logical systems aren't based in reality. they're drawn on it.

>> No.10563468

>>10555905
For you

>> No.10563493

>>10554651
>Not straight on a molecular level, not straight on an atomic level, not even remotely straight on a relativistic level, not even remotely straight on a quantum level.

How I describe my sexuality.

>> No.10563954

one thing is for sure, nobody itt is straight

>> No.10564005

This is a bad question.

>>10554616

>> No.10565362

>>10555068
Sims 1 is the best sims

>> No.10565379

Every single thing is an abstraction

name something not an abstraction?

>> No.10565480

>>10554706
>But it's not straight
yes it is

>> No.10565485

>>10557428
>The trajectory is an abstraction.
no it's not

>> No.10565501

>>10554663
Damn sure not a line??

I'd vote particle or wave.

>> No.10565549

>>10554616
>implying something doesn't exist because humans cannot observe it

>> No.10565658

>>10554616
did anyone make levels in simcity and then play them on simcars and simcopter

>> No.10565696

>>10554616
Yes. No mathematical object exists in the real world. Math is completely meaningless and tautological and means absolutely nothing. It is useful as a language to describe the world and thats it.

>> No.10566378

>>10565379
The Sun

>> No.10566390

>>10565485
yes it is

>> No.10566409

>>10554616
>implying human abstraction is somehow separate from the universe

how do I even answer this question when it's flawed from the start you actual retard

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>>10566409
>human abstraction is somehow separate from the universe
It is. A word computer is an abstraction. An actual computer in front of you is not.

>> No.10566424

>>10566415
but the electric signals and chemicals in my brain that made that abstraction are ultimately a part of the universe.

if you could see everything my brain was doing you could rebuild the abstraction

>> No.10566439

Geometry is the study of space, not the objects within that space but the space itself.

Take any two objects in space and the shortest line between them will always be a straight line. It doesn't matter that such a straight line cannot be drawn, it nevertheless exists as part of the space.

>> No.10566443

>>10563493
>Brings up personal sexuality in a completely unrelated conversation.
What an obnoxious faggot.

>>10554616
Depends on how autistic you want to be about it. Since dots don't exist in reality (infinitely small restriction of space), the sum of all dots inbetween two dots can't exist either (infinite "thinness").

But if you aren't autistic about it, there's countless of lines in our universe that would be perceived as straight lines by the vast majority of people because those lines would fit their requirements for straightness (most people have a good amount of tolerance for the concept of straightness).

>> No.10566444

>>10566424
Abstractions are not a direct representation of reality, regardless of them being grounded in reality. That has nothing to do with it.

>> No.10566456

>>10566444
wrong.

An abstraction or an idea is still something that is taking place in some form of energy or mass in the universe whether you like it or not. there is not explaining it away.

>> No.10566467

>>10566456
But it's indirect. It could as well be a hallucination and you would never know.

What you're trying to claim is there's no distinction between the subjective and objective which if we were having a philosophical discussion I would probably entertain but since this is a scientific discussion it's a ridiculous point to argue.

tl;dr "no". Next question

>> No.10566495

>>10566456
wrong and gay

>> No.10566906

>>10554616
RETICULATING SPLINES

>> No.10566914

>>10563493
Sodomites and their aberrant behavior are not welcome on /sci/.

>> No.10567075

I like to think that a Black Hole is an ideal sphere, but you'll tell me that it's not.

>> No.10567383

>>10567075
what you're describing as a black hole is nothing more than the imaginary region we consider to represent the boundary created by the event horizon. This boundary represents a specific threshold continuous field. This threshold, though unambiguous, does not physically exist any more than the threshold between any other sphere and it's exterior around the hole
So yeah black holes are'nt spheres

>> No.10567401

>>10565696
This is the non-meme answer. Disperse, brainlets.

>> No.10567513

>>10563304
Not sure. I don't have too much trouble. Occasional crashes but it just got me in the habit of saving the same more often.
There's still a surprisingly active community if one were so inclined to seek them out.

>> No.10567560

>>10558713
the only sensible response in this thread so far

>> No.10567897

>>10554616
Subjectively straight, sure
Objectively straight, probably not. This is especially true if everything is composed of waves, which I guess would be the antitheses of straight.

>> No.10567952

>>10563064
What part do you not understand?

>> No.10567957

>>10567075
The event horizon is also not spherical if there's any rotation

>> No.10567964

>>10561447
The observable universe is an abstraction in the sense that it's a measured area. I could take a spherical measurement out of area and take a slice of it, and it'd be a perfect circle.

>> No.10567968

>it’s another “humans made it up so it doesn’t REALLY exist” thread
aren’t you faggots tired of this bait yet

>> No.10567974

>>10567401
except the hinge of an ark shell is a straight line, the only one not formed via gravity. Though you could get pedantic and say at the quantum level nothing is perfectly straight but then you're just a faggot

>> No.10568149

>>10567897
This is a bit of a thought experiment, but supposing that if everything is composed of waves, then at a particular moment given the right set of circumstances could there not be something that could be considered straight?

>> No.10568158

Uncertainty principle means you can't know if something is a "perfect" line or not.
Logically that also means you can't know if anything is real. Everything is an illusion. Good job OP.

>> No.10568164

>>10567968
>x isn't true prove me wrong
>no not with that evidence
>no not with THAT evidence
>not that evidence either
>why are you guys getting so mad do you hate inquiry or something
OP is either an entitled masturbatory prick who can't be taught a damn thing or so thickheaded that making people want to strangle him still counts as the good kind of attention

>> No.10568172

>>10568158
1. you have no idea what the uncertainty principle is
2. "nothing exists except your own brain checkmate everybody else i win all philosophy" is, to date, the only idea on human history more useless then your parent's decision to have you
congratulations. you win. nothing is real. feeling warm and fuzzy? reveling in your logical infallibility? now get the fuck out and give us an idea that actually accomplishes something

>> No.10568179

>>10566415
>An actual computer in front of you is not.
Schizophrenics see "actual" objects, and make "real" connections between them. Does that mean schizophrenics are in another objective reality that you and I do not have access to?

>> No.10568193

>>10554616
>Straight lines are a human abstraction, there aren't any straight lines in the universe
Human abstractions exist inside the universe, where else would they exist.

>> No.10568196

>>10568172
1. The product of delta x and delta y is greater than or equal to half of h-bar. EZ
2. You can't prove your brain exists. You can't prove anything exists. You can't even prove cause and effect exists. Science is useless. You aren't even a figment of your imagination.

>> No.10568210

>>10568193
>imagining a straight line is the same as a straight line

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I mean technically speaking everything that exists, by nature to its creation, is necessarily less perfect than the ideal ‘form’ of said object or thing.

For instance, if one wants to make a box, technically the box will not be composed of exactly straight lines, but the idea of it will. This idea is a lot like a personal philosophy one tries to apply to the world around him. It won’t work out exactly as intended, but it will be damn close. And the reason is, that when you have a project to complete, you have to try and make sure it gets completed, see the idea through to the end.

In other words, for something straight to have existed, the idea of it must have existed first. Even if no one thought it. Look into Aristotle’s Metaphysics

>> No.10568224

>>10568210
imagine imagining that imagined straight lines were somehow not a part of reality

>> No.10568321

God exists because I imagine it.

See ya gaytheists

>> No.10568327

>>10556583
superlative
/thread again

>> No.10568740

>>10554651
>Be a human
>Literally all your thoughts are abstractions
Also all distances are straight lines. The Cartesian space is the abstraction.

>> No.10568801

what about string theory if the universe is made of string you can take a tiny peice of that string and it'd be strait right and if not you just take a smaller peice and you just keep going until its straight also electrons????????

>> No.10568802

>>10565485
Name 1 (one) "straight" trajectory.

>> No.10568891

>>10568801
Strings are circles

>> No.10568897

You accelerate in a straight line toward the center of the Earth.

>> No.10568956

OP is so gay, he can't even think of a straight line.

>> No.10569193

False, anything visible is made of straight lines. Curved lines do not reflect light-photons and therefore anything that does reflect light is made of very straight line formations! In fact I will go so far as to say anything detectable can be reduced at some point to a straight line! Even if it appears perfectly curved!

>> No.10569302

>>10568897
But that's not an actual line

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>>10569302
What makes it "not actual"? Your center of gravity is being pulled in a straight line toward the center of the Earth's gravity. There is a direct, physical, causal relationship between the two, and it is in the form of a straight line.

>> No.10570556

>>10570501
Different anon, but it's not a perfectly straight line as the earth isn't a perfect circle, so, gravity isn't distributed exactly evenly.

>> No.10570559

>>10570556
not if you look at an infinitesimal point.

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>>10570556
The center of gravity is the center of gravity. Earth could be shaped like a pancake, it could be shaped like a meatball, it could be shaped like a donut. There is always going to be a center of gravity, where the displacement of spacetime is at its maximum. This will naturally draw anything else towards it in a straight line. In the case of you, your center of gravity and the Earth's center of gravity are drawing toward one another in a straight line.

>> No.10570577

>>10554649
Lite follows null geodesics.

>> No.10570618

False
Geodesics are straight lines in curved space.
If you want a straight line that looks like a Euclidean straight line, zoom in. Space is locally flat on small scales.

>> No.10570643

>>10570573
Looks like curved spacetime to me

>> No.10570658

>>10570643
Yes, curved spacetime. The universe doesn't care about euclidian definitions of "straight line".

>> No.10570675

>>10568956
rekt

>> No.10571027

>>10554706
>a line of shortest distance between two points is not straight
jesus how retarded can you get

>> No.10571031

>>10557773
the line moves, but it's still straight. as long as you don't add a third point, it's still straight.

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>>10554616

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Straight lines and geometric shapes are all over the place.

This line of questioning sounds like what happens when you get preening pseudo intellectuals from sociology or something trying to make inroads into actual science fields.
They just try and endlessly doubt everything, move the discussion backwards, be deliberately obtuse and just generally annoying because they hate being aware their field is fucking useless.

Fuck off.