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Scientifically speaking, how far can an average-IQ-person go in the chess world?

Can they reach an ELO of 2300-2400? Can they become Grandmasters?

By average IQ I mean 90~110.

>> No.10537059

>>10536961
High IQ can carry you to about 1400-1500 Elo typically, but beyond that it's just playing chess until your hands are raw for many years. From becoming a master, it typically takes players at least a decade to become a grandmaster. There are a little over 1,600 grandmasters in the world, and they all got there by playing a mindnumbing amount of chess.
An average person could probably become a grandmaster in 20 years if they were focused and competed in tournaments often.

>> No.10537067

once you reach a certain IQ threshold, other factors like memory are more important. Chess players need to be able to memorize lines and use each game they play as a learning experience like reinforcement ai.

>> No.10537098
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10537098

>another IQ thread

>> No.10537154

>>10537098
>another frogposter

>> No.10537162

>>10536961
It's not so much about IQ as it is about imprinting and starting young during the critical period

If you're an adult learner you might as well try to build muscle as a non-responder. IQ will be as useful as T levels or protein/carb intake

I can't build muscle

>> No.10537206

I'm fat.

>> No.10537251

In Asian boardgames, like go, they actually believe the only way to make champions is to find the most talented children and then put them into a go curriculum.

I'd imagine it would be pretty hard to compete with such children unless you also grew up playing it, aka "fluent" in it.

The difference is that if given around the same intelligence the person who has a fluency and brain development around the activity is probably superior for such a specialized game.

>> No.10537531

>>10537251
Do you have sources for those claims or is it just bullshit you invented?

>> No.10538118

>>10537206
This guy is fat.

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10538165

>>10537098
I know how it feels, bro. I can't stand any more IQ threads.

>> No.10538192

>>10537206
fatass

>> No.10538193

>>10537531
do you have sources for your question?

>> No.10538314

>>10536961
Chess is a waste of time it is all memorization at high levels. It is no good. Bobby fisher was right on all accounts.

>> No.10538607

>>10536961
>how far can an average-IQ-person go in the chess world
Not too far, I would imagine. Study all the theory you want, it won't save you when going up against a genius who worked just as hard as you did. Frankly, I'd be surprised if your average person could crack a 2k rating.

>> No.10538810

>>10537162
How much ya bench bro?

>> No.10538864

>>10536961
>IQ
Not science or math.
>>10537098
Based

>> No.10538873

>>10538810
low 200s for a 1rm after 2 years

>> No.10539898

>>10538873
That is pretty good. But I assume you you follow an optimal training with optimal sleep and nutrition, so I get your frustration.

>> No.10540025

>>10537098
You keep doing God's work anon.

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10540232

yes! another iq thread

>> No.10540562

imagine playing a game that you'll never be the best at. There's right now a computer that's better than you, and by the time you reach your peak it will do it 10000 times as fast. This is an historical artifact now, like practicing calculations with a slide rule when there's cheap calculators all over

>> No.10540876

>>10540562
>imagine playing a game that you'll never be the best at
you're never going to be "the best" at anything

>> No.10541039

>>10540876
the point is, in just about every field, some human will. You have a chance and if you care about it, it's worth striving for that spot. In chess, it's already 100% guaranteed not to happen for anyone ever again

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10541086

Pic related is the Polgar sisters from Hungaria. Their father wanted to prove a point, and that is if you train children to play chess from a young age they will become chess grandmasters.

He was right. Susan & Judit Polgar are both chess grandmasters with FIDE rating of 2577 and 2735.
Sofia is an International Master with FIDE rating of 2405.
>their father László Polgár, who sought to prove that children could make exceptional achievements if trained in a specialized subject from a very early age. "Geniuses are made, not born," was László's thesis.

>> No.10541107

Only low IQ folk takes IQ seriously.

>> No.10541452

>>10541086
>n=2
>the subjects are daughters of a famous scientist so obviously have a high iq
nice 'experiment'.

>> No.10541590

>>10538314
>it is all memorization at high levels
That's not true, games are decided outside of memorized theory. Otherwise it would just be a bunch of draws.

>> No.10541596

>>10541452
n=3 faggot... 100% success rate.

>> No.10541642

You don't need a high IQ to be good at chess you just need to have a basic understanding of chess geometry and a little memorisation of the sequences. It's a technique called "chunking". Bobby Fisher hated Chess because it wasn't the fluid tactical and strategical game everyone thinks it is.

>> No.10541728

>>10541642
Bobby Fischer hated chess because he was a paranoid schizophrenic and the Russians pissed him off so much he called them communists and cheaters (which was true)

Chess is not so much memorization as it is pattern recognition and positional strategy. If you want to play at a high level memorization just comes with the territory of practicing and studying many chess games.

For example the current world champion Magnus Carlsen could instantly could instantly name the players, year and competition if you set up the same position on the board. It's not like he deliberately memorized all past chess games but he spends a lot of time with chess coaches analyzing games to flesh out the significance of every move. After all he's a genius chess prodigy.. .to compete at such an elite level you NEED to have a strong memory and high spatial intelligence.

>> No.10542400

>>10537531
insei are real anon, most pro players have been groomed since they were five.

You technically can become pro until 30, but that's mostly to accommodate silly gajin.

>> No.10542483

>>10541728
>Chess is not so much memorization
Yeah sure bud. Nice opening preparation you got. Wait... You don't remember the variations? Good luck depending on your pattern recognition.

>> No.10542533

>>10540562
Why run when cars go faster?

>> No.10543994

Isn't chess literally 99% memeorizing as many boards as possible?

>> No.10544036

Without exception, all top tier chess players began playing at a young age and played obsessively. Their brains matured with chess as their primary focus. I don't think its possible for an adult learner to catch up.

>> No.10544039

>>10537206
Twerk it

>> No.10544281

>>10537059
>or is indian/chinese and was forced to play sense they were conceived the youngest person to achieve grandmaster title was 12. That is 12 years of not having a childhood only pushing wood and being trained by the best GM's and Coaches in their regions playing players that have decade of experience and before achieving GM one has to get NM or FM respectably and then IM then GM