Just a reminder

[Anonymous No.10529352]

We're absolutely fucked

[Anonymous No.10529361]

>>10529352
Good. Fuck this gay earth I hope it goes up in flames

[Anonymous No.10529374]

>>10529361
Nigga I wanna freeze to death we need to turn this ship around

[Anonymous No.10529380]

>>10529352
>We
Nah, only people who will be affected in our lifetimes are the poor and third worlders lmao

[Anonymous No.10529489]

>>10529352
>We're absolutely fucked
2020 will be the key. and you know why.

[Anonymous No.10529508]

Nigga, get some perspective.

The ecosystem will only start to collapse once we reach 4 degrees warming which will be sometime in ~2150 if we continue our current level of growing consumption and pollution.

However we are already implementing green technology and between now and 2150 we have a lot of space for innovation. Meaning the 4 degree date would most likely be not reached at all or be reached at a far later date like in the 2200s or 2300s.

The Paris Climate Accord is trying to keep global warming to 2 degrees which is far away from the 4 degrees doomsday target.

But what will actually happen once we reach the 4 degrees red line?. Well the permafrost permanently melts releasing a large amount of methane which will push the degree up to 10 degrees warming which in turn releases all methane cathlates from the bottom of the ocean which will increase the global temperature to 25 degrees warming.

At this point the global ecosystem completely collapses and all multi-cellular life will slowly die out.

HOWEVER. This collapse from 4 degrees to 25 degrees due to natural processes will slowly unfold over 20,000-50,000 years. We won't even notice the effects in the first couple of thousand years.

This makes it far more likely that humanity will just technologically reverse all damage done given thousands of years time to advance our technology. And even if we didn't and only had 2019 technology from today up to the year 22019 where all multi-cellular life died out, humanity could still survive using our current day desalination plants and having single-celled organisms create nutrients for us. Humanity could survive without an ecosystem, it would suck but it's technically possible.

All-in-all. The opposite of George Carlin is going to happen. The Earth is fucked, but humanity will be just fine.

[Anonymous No.10529533]

>>10529352
>time (million years BP)

[Anonymous No.10529704]

>>10529380
>third worlders

[Anonymous No.10529716]

>>10529352
600 ppm is when there starts to be a noticeable psychological effect from just breathing it in, you know.

[Anonymous No.10529725]

>>10529352
Wanna freak out climate change doomsdayers?

Just make a shitty graph with fake data that shows us heading into the end times.

[Anonymous No.10529727]

>>10529352
Totally, goy!
And remember, don't have kids!
Think of their potential carbon footprints!

[Anonymous No.10529746]

>>10529727
Population is not a race. Also, probably more than half of those Africans will die in less than 30 years.

[Anonymous No.10529756]

>>10529727
Here's the real data you absolute retard.

https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SP.DYN.TFRT.IN
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Total_fertility_rate

[Anonymous No.10529763]

>>10529756
stop spamming this when it's not comparable data you insufferable faggot

[Anonymous No.10529768]

>>10529727

Holy shit, I did not know it would get so bad. Close Africa now.

[Anonymous No.10529770]

>>10529746
>ctrl-f race
>zero mentions besides you

[Anonymous No.10529783]

>>10529727
>Meanwhile in reality
Africa has the most significant fertility drop of all continents

[Anonymous No.10529800]

>>10529783
>when a number is significantly larger it has a lot more room to fall
you dont say

[Anonymous No.10529808]

>>10529508
I'm not a doomsday preacher, and I agree with your general sentiment on our prospects for the future. But it's disingenuous to act like there isn't already significant damage being done, and like it won't get significantly worse in our lifetimes.
Reefs are getting fucked. Mean sea level has risen 8 inches and flooding of coastal areas is getting worse, which will gradually ramp up emigration from those areas. Tropical storms have become significantly stronger, killing more people and devastating infrastructure. Agricultural seasons have already started to change, improving output in some regions and worsening in others. Heat waves are getting more intense and happening more often around the world. Regional precipitation trends are changing, fucking over California for instance.
(IPCC and USGCRP Assessments)

[Anonymous No.10529842]

>>10529352
Time to filter out some species, we'll come out stronger than ever.

[Anonymous No.10529852]

>>10529842
It will natrually filter out many human lifestyles too.

[Anonymous No.10530140]

>>10529508
Yo dumbfuck.

Copy & pasting the usual response to your nonsense:
I feel like people get confused about the 2030 deadline and why the human race is still kicking despite these super high levels of CO2. What the media are pretty poor at explaining is that there's a time lag on warming effect of greenhouse gasses. These gasses dissipate into the atmosphere almost immediately, but then it takes time for the changed atmosphere to trap extra heat from the sun. By 2030, we won't be seeing 5 or 6C increases. We won't all have to migrate to the arctic circle. We won't yet be part of the mass extinctions. Etc. But we will no longer be able to prevent all that. We will be set up to endure that over the next 25 to 200 years.

Also, it's not a switch between CHANGED APOCALYPSE CLIMATE/GARDEN OF EDEN, it's a spectrum, and we've pushed through the previous warnings with gusto. This is why we're seeing such extreme storms in places right now like Mozambique, Bangladesh, the Gulf of Mexico, Kerala, the Philippines, all of which had record breaking superstorms in the last 12 months. The old warnings weren't a deadline for the whole human race to live, they were deadlines for low lying countries to survive. The changing goalposts don't mean the science is wrong, but that we keep sliding back on what we can prevent.

Right now, we're looking at 12 (11!) years until we reach so much warming that the planet's self-warming mechanisms start up, stabilizing eventually in some unknown "hothouse" climate, which would basically be a deadline for the whole human race.

[Anonymous No.10530148]

[Anonymous No.10530149]

>>10529508
>>10530140

When Will Climate Change Make Earth Too Hot for Humans?
http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2017/07/climate-change-earth-too-hot-for-humans-annotated.html?gtm=top&gtm=bottom

Trajectories of the Earth System in the Anthropocene
https://www.pnas.org/content/115/33/8252

Severe Weather Causes 1.9B in Insured Damage in 2018
http://www.ibc.ca/on/resources/media-centre/media-releases/severe-weather-causes-190-million-in-insured-damage-in-2018

Pliocene and Eocene Provide Best Analogs for Near-Future Climates
https://www.pnas.org/content/115/52/13288

For extra terror: Greater pre-2020 action is the “last chance” for 1.5C, says the latest annual UNEP Emissions Gap report (2016)
https://www.carbonbrief.org/only-three-years-save-1-5c-climate-target-says-unep

tl;dr: We need to end capitalism and start a planned economy banning fossil fuels wherever possible and investing at least a trillion dollars (should be easily doable, we could literally take it out of the pockets of the rich TODAY) literally right now and over the next decade. Even what the most progressive countries are doing today - countries seen as "radical socialist/green" isn't enough.

Hope this helps.

[Anonymous No.10530158]

>>10529361
>>10529727
>>10529842
>>10529842
>>10529852
this .
I hope the earth dies once and for all already, I actually burn old newspapers to do my part... earth can't die soon enough. I hope it becomes deserted like mars. no more wars, no more stupid humans.

[Anonymous No.10530191]

>>10530148
Except past "alarmist" predictions were pretty much correct. We have already prevented a lot of damage by taking action and regulating things. Without regulations and investments in green technologies, things would look at lot worse.

Some predictions of the media being wrong doesn't invalidate the science.

The science is most definitely settled and - as it turns out - scientists consistently *underestimated* the damage and threat caused by climate change. It's actually worse than we believed a few decades ago.

The most hilarious part about the caricature you posted is many of the predictions that it tries to mock actually are completely true:
-Global warming is in the process of wiping out entire nations through desertification and rising sea levels.
-Many rainforests are dead (so is the Great Barrier Reef).
-We literally lost about 45% of all insects globally already (depending on where you are from you might notice a lot fewer butterflies, etc. around than in the past).
-Glaciers are declining, many have practically vanished.
-Snow has practically become a thing of the past in many places.
-Never heard anyone claim "global warming causes fewer hurricans". First of all, scientists generally don't use the term "global warming". Secondly, the scientific community has generally agreed that there will be more glaciers.
-Who in 2008 claimed the Artic will be ice-free by 2013? Soudns like it will be a fun read.
-Yes, the science is, indeed, settled.

[Anonymous No.10530246]

>>10530140
Except we know the exact amount of CO2 the atmosphere has to contain before the effects of 4 degrees warming happen. We need to release an additional 4700 GtCO2 before we'll reach 4 degrees of warming.

Just to give you an indication. We need to burn about 60% of ALL KNOWN HYDROCARBONS in the world before we reach 4700GtCO2. 60% of all oil, 60% of all coal and 60% of all natural gas before we reach the 4 degrees warming line.

The warming effect is taken into account. You can actually pretty accurately calculate the heating based on how much GtCO2 is in the atmosphere. You need 4700 to reach 4 degrees of warming and we have about 390 GtCO2 in our atmosphere right now.

Sorry but can you really blame me that I don't think we'll ever reach 4700 if we only released 390 GtCO2 over the entire human history?

[Anonymous No.10530259]

>>10530158
Humans will still be around. We aren't really dependent on nature anymore. Our technology is good enough to sustain humanity even without an ecosystem in place.

[Anonymous No.10530308]

>>10530259
I want to believe, but once the aquifers get used up, our food supply will be at the mercy of weather. Furthermore, oil and coal are in short supply. Really we wouldn't survive mass desertification, you don't understand the magnitude and far reaching effects. We live in the Goldilocks era, it's easy to say that we'll survive now, but even then hurricane harvey was the most costly hurricane in history, imagine yearly hurricanes of that magnitude, wildfires worse than our current ones, and droughts.

[Anonymous No.10530315]

>>10530308
We have thousands of years of coal left and at least 500 years of oil. We also have enough uranium for 500 years worth of nuclear power and if we develop fusion we have enough salt water for 2 billion years of fusion power. Also Wind, Solar, Geothermal are going nowhere.

Desalination plants plus single-celled organisms creating nutrients combined with air conditioned habitats could keep humanity alive. Total ecological collapse is a tragedy for Nature, not for humanity.

[Anonymous No.10530324]

>>10529352
>Still posting the Global warmi... I mean "Climate Change" hoax.

[Anonymous No.10530325]

>>10529352
What does the top graph represent?

[Anonymous No.10530328]

>>10529704
Where are all the women and children?

[Anonymous No.10530329]

We wouldn't be able to survive shit without ecosystem intact. Barely sustainable minimal population after 99% of people die off extremely rapidly maybe, and then the population dies off the moment something bad happens since there are no prospects for expansion outside of sending some frozen semen to another planet and hoping the whole thing doesn't fail for a myriad of reasons.

[Anonymous No.10530330]

>>10530191
>Except past "alarmist" predictions were pretty much correct.
stopped reading right there.
There has not been one single prediction that has even been half true.

[Anonymous No.10530332]

>>10529508
>The ecosystem will only start to collapse once we reach 4 degrees warming
The eco system is already collapsing. Right now. We're seeing MASSIVE decline in most types of animals, including insects, birds, reptiles, amphibians and mammals, both in terms of species and absolute numbers.

[Anonymous No.10530343]

>>10530315
Desalination is nothing, it doesn't even amount to 1 fourth of 1 tenth of all the water our agriculture needs. Plus, it's coastline infrastructure, how is that even remotely viable given, oh I don't know, the rising seas and hurricanes? Also, in reality, our supply of fossil fuels nowhere near that long given our current level of consumption, do you even realize how many billions of barrels we use daily? You keep saying the ecosystem won't effect us, do you even realize how much of our crops are pollinated by bees/insects anyway? So you're expecting us to create artificial bees too?

[Anonymous No.10530346]

How can someone really belive this global warming panic hoax. I thought people here are more smart.

[Anonymous No.10530349]

>>10529508
>The Paris Climate Accord is trying to keep global warming to 2 degrees which is far away from the 4 degrees doomsday target.
except most countries other than Europe are not doing it, including trump's USA.

[Anonymous No.10530366]

>>10530191
>predictions were pretty much correct
If you predict fewer hurricanes AND more hurricanes you cannot fail much, can you? It is all like the Texas sharpshooter: first fire the gun and then paint the target around the hole in the barn.

[Anonymous No.10530377]

>>10530191
>-Who in 2008 claimed the Artic will be ice-free by 2013? Soudns like it will be a fun read.
Feed this into your favourite translator:
https://www.yr.no/artikkel/isfri-nordpol-1.5668722

BTW, Yr is a collaboration with the Norwegian institute of meteorology.

[Anonymous No.10530381]

>>10530366
I don't understand this sentiment. Would the fact that humans once thought that the sun orbited the Earth discredit our current understanding of astrophysics? Or the fact that scientists once thought that animals spontaneously generated mean that cell theory is fake?

[Anonymous No.10530389]

>>10530377
This just says that they suspect that there will be less ice within the north pole in 2009.

[Anonymous No.10530398]

>>10530332
This is the official scientific outline. They have done research on the effect per degree of warming total ecological collapse will only happen at 4 degrees of warming. reduction in biodiversity will happen increasingly from1 degree of warming upwards exponentially.

It's absolutely not collapsing though, not even close. Saying things like this is why most people don't take it seriously anymore they either think "it's not worth it anyway we are already fucked, why bother". Or people stop trusting information because everyone and their dog is exaggerating for more funding.

The real official global guidelines as seen in the Paris Climate Accord have the 4 degrees warming as the absolute limit after which the total ecosystem collapses.

>>10530349
>Most Countries
>As of February 2019, 194 states and the European Union have signed the Agreement. 184 states and the EU, representing more than 87% of global greenhouse gas emissions, have ratified or acceded to the Agreement, including China, the United States and India, the countries with three of the four largest greenhouse gas emissions of the UNFCC members total (about 42% together).
>On August 4, 2017, the Trump administration delivered an official notice to the United Nations that the U.S. intends to withdraw from the Paris Agreement as soon as it is legally eligible to do so.[77] The formal notice of withdrawal cannot be submitted until the agreement is in force for 3 years for the US, in 2019.[78][79] In accordance with Article 28, as the agreement entered into force in the United States on 4 November 2016, the earliest possible effective withdrawal date for the United States is 4 November 2019. If it chooses to withdraw by way of withdrawing from the UNFCCC, notice could be given immediately (the UNFCCC entered into force for the US in 1994), and be effective one year later.

TL;DR: Literally every country on the planet (even north korea) have signed into the accord. USA didn't leave (yet)

[Anonymous No.10530423]

>>10530246
Does that take any positive feedback mechanisms into account? Say like... the albedo effect (we'll be seeing an ice-free arctic quite soon) or methane, which is already spewing out at massive levels (pic related).

[Anonymous No.10530424]

>>10530246
If CO2 was the only greenhouse gas this would be true, but the positive feedback from warming makes this pure fantasy.

[Anonymous No.10530429]

>>10530330
>There has not been one single prediction that has even been half true.
Why are you posting blatant lies on image boards? What are you doing with your life anon?

[Anonymous No.10530437]

>>10530259
>We aren't really dependent on nature anymore
Without nature, you'd basically have to live on an equivalent to a Mars colony.

[Anonymous No.10530439]

>>10530389
No. "Isfri" means free from ice. That is in the headline and the ingress. And the time scale was in 2008.

[Anonymous No.10530446]

>>10530315
>Total ecological collapse is a tragedy for Nature, not for humanity.
What kind of a retard would actually want to live in such a world rather than prevent it form occurring?

[Anonymous No.10530450]

>>10530381
>Would the fact that humans once thought that the sun orbited the Earth discredit our current understanding of astrophysics?
No. Only that those scientists are totally discredited. Newer generations of scientists got onto the right track.

>Or the fact that scientists once thought that animals spontaneously generated mean that cell theory is fake?
No. Only that those scientists are totally discredited. So we need new scientists.

[Anonymous No.10530458]

>>10530423
It does. the feedback mechanisms are why 4 degrees of warming is the limit because at that point most permafrost and ocean methane cathlate get released causing the entire ecosystem to collapse as it creates a Venus like positive feedback loop. As long as we stay under 4 degrees of warming we'll be okay with just some biodiversity loss and a bit more extreme weather. The Paris Accord is limiting it to 2 degrees of warming though so as long as the world actually tries to reach that target (and then fails so it slips up to 3 degrees) we still have enough wriggle room to be safe.

The most likely scenario is that in a decade or two the climate situation will be fixed and we won't ever talk about it anymore just like Leaded air, Acid rain, ozon layer hole which were all individually pretty big environmental threats but we overcame them through international accords just like the Paris Accord which is actually pretty successful so far since no country has left the accord yet (despite threats from trump) and every big country has ratified it (90% of polluters) and every country in the world has at least signed and recognized it.

[Anonymous No.10530460]

>>10530439
but actually read the article, nowhere does it claim that the sea will be ice free the next year, just that it's decreasing.
>Although the sea freezes during the winter, we get less ice in total. This will repeat itself next summer, and this spiral will only be amplified as the sea gets warmer and warmer
The headline was probably made by some journalist to get people to read the article.

[Anonymous No.10530464]

>>10530398
So are you saying that studies like this are made up?
https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0185809&_ga=2.42103269.1751527880.1531267200-635596102.1531267200

And all the others showing the same thing? Are those made up too? And the ones showing the declines in other types of animals? Are they made up?
If everything dying off in huge amounts isn't a form of collapse, then what are we even talking about here?

[Anonymous No.10530465]

>>10530328
They are short, Tall men are always more visible in a crowd than women and children.

[Anonymous No.10530467]

>>10530458
Are these predictions based on the IPCC reports? Cause I know they don't take several feedbacks into account (in part because we don't know to properly model them).

[Anonymous No.10530469]

>>10530464
Decline in biodiversity is a VERY different beast from total ecological collapse. Total ecological collapse (extinction of all multicelular life) will only occur due to a positive feedback loop which starts at 4 degrees of warming. Loss in biodiversity is a minor setback but nothing serious. It will not impact human life in any tangible way.

[Anonymous No.10530476]

>>10530469
anon, are you aware of what a "keystone species" is?

[Anonymous No.10530479]

>>10530469
>Loss in biodiversity is a minor setback but nothing serious.
Things like pollination and nutrient cycling are dependent on insects, which as a whole, are in massive decline. This statement that it's no big deal has no basis. Any statement from the scientists studying this is that I've seen is among the lines of "extremely alarming."

[Anonymous No.10530666]

>>10530328
well I see mostly children I don't know about you

[Anonymous No.10530882]

I hope Winter Chan and Desert Chan reclaim the Earth. The alternative is Jewish tranny clown world

[Anonymous No.10530888]

>>10530666

[Anonymous No.10530958]

>>10529352
Alternatively, we could build self-sustaining structures and not give a flying fuck about what happens to the environment.

[Anonymous No.10530962]

>>10529352 (OP)
Alternatively, we could build self-sustaining structures and not give a flying fuck about what happens to the environment.

[Anonymous No.10531004]

>>10529352
yeayea we'll all be underwater by the year 2000 etc
Take your doomsday propaganda back 2 reddit

[Anonymous No.10531009]

>2030 is 10 years away
f

[Anonymous No.10531041]

>>10530148
>if the most extreme claims haven't come true then all claims are nonsense

[Anonymous No.10531044]

>>10531041

[Anonymous No.10531129]

>>10530191
>-Many rainforests are dead
Yes this is because global warming not because active deforestation.
>We literally lost about 45% of all insects globally already
Yes this is also caused by global warming not pesticides or pollution. Also these numbers are not mischaracterized at all.
>First of all, scientists generally don't use the term "global warming".
Yes the real term is "climate change". The climate of the earth has never changed before until evil humans showed up.
>Snow has practically become a thing of the past in many places.
It hasn't in the place where I live, but that doesn't mean anything!
>Glaciers are declining, many have practically vanished.
Any sign of the opposite is a fluke and should be disregarded.
>Yes, the science is, indeed, settled.
I do not need to look through your telescope, Galileo. The church science regarding the non-existence of Jupiter's moons is settled.

[Anonymous No.10531622]

>>10531129
Too bad you can't provide any evidence that indicates that glaciers aren't aren't shrinking due to increased global temperature, and that this increased temperature is almost entirely caused by anthropogenic activity. You aren't Galileo you're just a fucking idiot who believes what he's told to believe without question.

[Anonymous No.10531628]

>>10529380
it's why first world countries will let in more refugees.

the days of right-wing populist parties having power are coming to an end.

[Anonymous No.10531644]

>>10530158
>le ebul humans

[Anonymous No.10531709]

>>10530962
There is something fucked up with this image perspective

[Anonymous No.10531827]

>>10529361

[Anonymous No.10531830]

"The Industrial Revolution and its consequences have
been a disaster for the human race."


Get fucked nerds.

[Anonymous No.10531833]

>>10530148

[Anonymous No.10531836]

>>10530149
>We need to end capitalism and start a planned economy banning fossil fuels wherever possible and investing at least a trillion dollars (should be easily doable, we could literally take it out of the pockets of the rich TODAY) literally right now and over the next decade. Even what the most progressive countries are doing today - countries seen as "radical socialist/green" isn't enough.

Nah we need to kill fags like you.

[Anonymous No.10531843]

>>10531836
lol i dont think this retard understands what he is proposing, thats khmer rouge tier.


but yes any real global warming solution requires the mass extermination of the majority of the population, quickly.

its not going to happen, progressives dont have the balls, feeding their brown pets is more important.

[Anonymous No.10531845]

>>10531628
They are only beginning retard, diversity + proximity + resource exhaustion ALWAYS = war.

[Anonymous No.10531926]

>>10531628
Imagine believing this. More like civil conflict

[Anonymous No.10532044]

>>10531845
>>10531926
Ironically global thermonuclear war caused by famine will be what prevents the earth from reaching the point of runaway warming.

[Anonymous No.10532087]

>>10531830
Calm down Kaczynski

[Anonymous No.10532234]

>>10531628
Clearly you have no idea about what is happening in Europe. Why did you think right wing politicians are on the rise in France, Italy, Hungary, Poland, Sweden, Germany etc.?

[Anonymous No.10532306]

>>10530476
Are you aware of positive feedback loop?

[Anonymous No.10532317]

>>10531833
Thank you so much

[Anonymous No.10532570]

No matter what, humanity will adapt to the new environmental conditions, and I don't give a fuck about other species, especially if all mosquitos will die out.
We can grow meat in labs, we don't even need millions of cows, sheeps and chickens anymore.
The only ones who will be affected by famine and desertification are inhabitants of poor shitholes, and it's not much of a loss, especially if we'll secure and guard our borders and our resources.

[Anonymous No.10532605]

>>10529352
I know I should be scared and stuff, but most of the time I just don't have the energy to care about any of this. My own life is complicated enough already. If I really wanted to care about this I'd have to give up my own life.

[Anonymous No.10532607]

>>10532570
This post is why you're an incel. Fucking faggot

[Anonymous No.10532640]

>>10532570
Poor shitholes and people that live in places like spain and caliornia.

[Anonymous No.10532650]

>>10532640
>Poor shitholes
>spain and caliornia.
I see no difference.

[Anonymous No.10532659]

>>10532605
That wouldn't be very productive. The people capable of doing something significant aren't that many. Better to prepare for yourself.

[Anonymous No.10532665]

>>10529361
I'd rather it freeze since then we get to watch the African spectacle when they don't know how to deal with the cold and put on a good show
Then if mother nature would kindly burn Asia and the USA I'd be one happy chap

[Anonymous No.10532709]

>>10531830
Based

[Anonymous No.10532727]

>>10532570
You are a selfish imbecile, I don't care if you're just pretending to be retarded. Things don't turn sustainable because you want to, and if the system collapses so will you and anyone you care about.

[Anonymous No.10532733]

>>10529352
>Only going back 3 million years.
lol. This is complete psued cherry picking

[Anonymous No.10533675]

>>10532733

[Anonymous No.10533709]

>>10529352
>999k BC
>be primate
>burn firewood
>cook my meat
>accidentally set up whole forest on fire
>co2 settles on the ground
>we die
>get covered by earth
>be 2k AC
>OMG there was gobal warming 800k BC
>it's cycles!!!
Little do they know, I was just cooking my meat.

[Anonymous No.10533910]

>>10529727
>Populations can grow without bounds
>Population can grow if it has little access to food, clean water, had no healthcare and medications
It's like the first thing you learn in ODE class, men are not bacteria on Petrie dish with unlimited food supply, no predators and no other threats around. It's just a silly graph (it's hard to call it a prediction) made to scare stupid people off