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10522005 No.10522005 [Reply] [Original]

Why is recycling such a difficult concept for people?
Is it because it is "too much work?" Or do they simply just not give a fuck?
Is it intruding to the comfort of every day lives? Do people not think of the outcome of every single use plastic they throw away? Is it ignorance?

>> No.10522013
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10522013

Everywhere I go, I see copious amounts of plastic waste on the side of the road. Don't they know the Earth will end up feeding it back to us?

>> No.10522016

>>10522005
they will be dead by the time it's an issue.

>> No.10522017

My city doesn't pay me to do it, so why should I.

>> No.10522018

>>10522016
Is it not already an issue?

>> No.10522020

>>10522018
my bad, they will be dead by the time it's an issue for their comfortable lives*.

>> No.10522021

>>10522017
Why do you need a monetary incentive?

>> No.10522036
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10522036

The results are so much more detrimental than something as retarded as immediate comfort.

>> No.10522037

>>10522018
I could burn 5000 lbs of trash in my front yard every day, and as long as I wore a respirator I'd be fine.

>> No.10522038

>>10522021
Because it's the easiest. What other incentive did you have in mind.

>> No.10522044

>>10522005
>Why is recycling such a difficult concept for people?
Location of the ecological problem = Africa & Asia
Location of pretentious dicks saving the world from ecological problem= Europe & USA

>> No.10522046

Because it's not cost effective in any way.

For years the U.S and other countries have relied on sending a vast majority of its recycled material to China and other eastern Asian countries, The kicker here is that China created a MASSIVE system designed to recycle it into other products, Which was its own can of worms. Over the past few years however they've basically started halting plastic imports along with a portion of other countries.

A lot countries don't actually have a domestic capacity to recycle there own materials. That's why a lot of places are outright banning a chunk of plastics now. At best countries will burn it, At worst they do what OP's pic is doing.

>> No.10522048

>>10522037
>>10522038
At least animals don't think it is food.
Does it not bother anyone that we will end up eating plastic?

>> No.10522053

>>10522044
Only 10% (or even less) of people in America actually recycle their single use plastics. Many restaurants do not recycle. I do not disagree that Africa and Asia are even worse about it.
Japan has it right, though.

>> No.10522069

>>10522017
Oy vey you tell him Moshe

>> No.10522070

Why would I do it? Everyone that talks so much about environment and recycling is a hypocrite, one minute they force me to throw my trash in 8 different bags and next minute they use a smartphone to order more Coca Cola.
The truth is corporation generate the most waste, you want real change stop sucking their dick.

I hate every eco fuck because they are all hypocrites. If I lived in countryside I would trash in my fireplace just to spike those faggots.

>> No.10522080

>>10522070
*burn trash.

>> No.10522089

>>10522005
>do someone else's job for them
by littering im literally creating jobs and benefitting the economy

prove me wrong

>> No.10522099

>>10522005
>you know what they'er doin with the recycling right!>>!
>THEY JUST THROWI IT IN THE WATURRRR!!!

quote from my dad

>> No.10522115

>>10522070
>if you don't live in the woods surviving only off of self grown veggies you're just as bad as me.

fuck off

>> No.10522169

>>10522005
>Be American
>Recycle to help save the environment and get the do-gooder dopamine high
>Recycling company cannot make a profit from recycling so it sells the "recyclables" to China
>China takes the money and dumps the trash in the ocean.
China is happy with the money and the do-gooder is happy with their dopamine high.
Things are easier when people don't know how the sausage is made.
>Is it ignorance?
Yes.
Consumers aren't rational on long time scales.
They don't care about where the product is made, how it is made, what it is made of, or the working conditions of the workers that made it.
They only care about the price.
A lower price is better for the consumer in the short term.
A lower price usually means sacrificing quality in those other categories.

>> No.10522177

>>10522169
>Recycling company cannot make a profit from recycling so it PAYS China to take the "recyclables"

>> No.10522191

>>10522005
Humans are individualistic for the most part, that's why we need governments to enforce these rules. Its out of sight and out of mind once they toss it away. People like to believe they are moral and logical but in reality we just do what feels best.

>> No.10522195

>>10522005
Im Swedish, you're basically shamed if you don't recycle

>> No.10522234

>>10522195
I agree. I think its a proud part of our national identity. Also the state of order in a residential recycling station has tured out to be a very good measurement of segregation.

>> No.10522243

>>10522005
Because recycling isn't made easy and there's lots of waste in recycling facilities. Also there's no money in it, therefore its not made a priority, like most common sense things.

>> No.10522286

>>10522115
It's not about being perfect. It's bitching that people use plastics while you do the same shit you're bitching about. Like people who say "it's time to stop fossil fuels" then drive off in an SUV.

>> No.10522297

>>10522005
It is literally too expensive.
We can do amazing things with polyethylene/propylene/Polyethyleneterephtalate and all that, but we don't do it on a scale where it matters.
The logistics are too difficult, because you need to source the polymers from some place, you need them sorted by type and so on.

You can throw PE into a pyrolizer, get some neat pyrolysis oil or syngas and funnel that into your refinery. But the logistics are just too difficult. It's easier to just burn what's easy to burn and throw the rest into a landfill.

>> No.10522307

>>10522005
I am a lizard spaceling. We have a thousand year dispute with a species of turtle on this planet so we litter your ocean with plastic in order to exact revenge for the great genocide of Obadong IV in the galatcta star time 482 alpha

>> No.10522311

>>10522048
We already do. Apparently all salt you get at the store has plastic in it now

>> No.10522341

>>10522046
This.
Recycling is a meme.
Ban the materials or go home, kid.

>> No.10522413

>>10522053
Most states don;t have the same output as the west anon.

>> No.10522415

I recycle but ultimately I know it costs so much money to do it alongside the sheer waste that pops up in recycling facilities which hurts efficiency. Reduction actually makes recycling more efficient.

>> No.10522679

>>10522038
The incentive of not turning the planet into anymore of a shithole than it is right now.

>> No.10522695

>>10522005
Plastics, for all intents and purposes, don't recycle. We should be recycling more cardboard because of the popularity of internet shopping, although we need to teach people that cardboard contaminated with food does not recycle. The amount of aluminum we can recover directly affects the price of beverages.

>> No.10522717

>>10522005
Its neither too difficult, not too hard.

The problem literally is that it is too expensive.

The cost of recycling is expensive.
The cost of using recycled materials is too expensive as well (even if only by a penny per unit).

Businesses will always choose the cheaper alternative, given the option, because they want to make money and that depends upon market values of inputs and outputs. If it doesn't make sense in a market perspective, than recycling will never be in wide use.

>> No.10522748

>>10522717
So literally, pollution is economical.

>> No.10522766

>>10522679
Economics is a religion literally tailor made to do exactly that.
>>10522717
More proof that economics is cancer.

The vast majority of people in the west believe in economics. We need a name for them.

>> No.10522772

>>10522679
When you were born in a white country and an adult all you see are darkies and everything is overpopulated it's hard to give a shit what happens to the land

>> No.10523059

>>10522772

If you're in a community that feels like you're surrounded by "darkie" people you're probably just as much of a poorfag as they are.

>> No.10523110

>>10522005
Is my recycling going to save the planet? The result is the same so who cares

>> No.10523204

How is it not cost effective to reuse what has been already made to be modled into something else?

>> No.10523207

>>10522679
This exactly

>> No.10523209

>>10523110
That's the thoughts that is the culprit of the problems

>> No.10523214

>>10522005
Recycling is a meme. The only people making a profit from it are big corporations. For example: Most of the plastic pollution of the oceans source from a few countries. Namely china and india. There are actually people there that do recycling for a "living" if you can call it that. They gather, sort and sell plastic and other junk to recycling centers for near nothing. These are processed and sold again. That accounts for almost nothing though. Did you know that burning plastic foil for energy IS counted as recycling? To my knowledge every country does that, they prettify official statistics with that. The actual numbers of truly recycled, that is actually reprocessed plastic is far lower. It's all a big hoax. And don't even get me started on electronics.

>> No.10523227
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10523227

>four bins
>>plastic
>>paper
>>metal/glass
>>misc
>right next to eachother
>bunch of chucklefucks (largely gen Z) still manage to throw metal along with plastic or into the miscellaneous stuff
>rarely throw plastics in the right place
>spend maybe an hour or so a month moving stuff that is on the top in the wrong bin to the right one but what does it really matter
I would say the world is fucked

>> No.10523233

>>10522005
https://youtu.be/8rh6qqsmxNs?t=15

>> No.10523250

>>10522005
We already have the technology to recycle just about everything but unless it's affordable to do so it usually doesn't happen.

The few things we do recycle often get recycled at all only because they're just barely cheap enough to justify the practice, either that or they get government subsidies somehow.

>> No.10523252

>>10523250
See
>>10522017
Apparently in Michigan you can make bank recycling aluminum.

>> No.10524008

>>10522048
I don't give a fuck about animals. If they are too stupid to not eat a plastic sandwich then they deserve nothing less than getting savagely suffocated by a ding dong wrapper.

Only poor people eat plastic. I get all of my food from a natural grocer and whatever I can grow in my yard.

>> No.10524037

>>10524008
We need the animals for the environment to fourish. We eat the fucking animals in our environment.

>> No.10524041

>>10524008
Also, it is hilarious you say that when we eat plastic ourselves.

>> No.10524294

>>10523252
>Apparently in Michigan you can make bank recycling aluminum.
All cans have a 10 cent deposit on them. The thing is in michigan no one leaves cans lying around because they're worth money.

>> No.10524302

Telling people to do things does not work.
Individual responsibility is a meme.
If you want people to recycle
1. create a government program to oversee it
2. reward or punish them

>> No.10524500

>>10524294
In Finland we have had the same system in place for over 30 years now. For plastic bottles too. I'm perplexed that the EU has not forced all the member states to use deposit fees for beverages.

>> No.10524503

>>10524008
Congrats, you might be a genuine psychopath.

If you consider that the entirety of humanity is like a living creature, then I believe people like you are a form of malignant cancer, that is eating away at our life support system for your own shortsighted and selfish benefit, and if left unchecked will eventually kill us all.

>> No.10524526

Living in a small small small small.....you see what i mean...in eastern France, recycling is totally understood and most inhabitants do it. We have specific places where to throw our recycled garbage (glass/ papers/ plastics) + a 2 weeks roll to collect recycle bins for plastics and papers. I don't understand why some people aren't able to do it, it's so easy and does not modify your way of life in any way...

>> No.10524532

>>10524500
Have the same thing here, in eastern France. Mostly on supermarket parkings or places like that.

>> No.10524967

>>10524500
>>10524532
Two white eueopean countries seem to be well managed

>be living in America
College graduates cannot read or follow simple directions

"No Lids"

>How can we make it simpler to help stupid people?
Did I mention college degre

>> No.10524993

>>10524503
Oh he definitely is. There are always going to be a hard core of at least 5-10% that are just evil.

Recycling is a problem for a civil-scale high IQ management.

In America business lobby runs the government. They long ago secured their position to control packaging. Packaging is -the- number one way to increase sales and profits. Is so absurd. People will pay twice as much for pickles in a glass jar, a colorful label. Etc.

People haven't got any idea how bad this problem is. Chemical industry lobby big help too. They poisoned (and continue to poison) with endocrine disruptors in can lining. Ur going to hear more about PFCs but the damage has already been done.

Poison before they plant. Poison while it grows. Poison after harvest. Poison in the packaging. Poison in your body. Poison in the air (burn it). Poison in the environment. Poison concentrating in the food chain.

PFCs half life in body= 4 years. Environment = Forever. Over 95% of Americamns have exceeded body burden for risk of cancer associated

Shhh. Keep it quiet. Mueller Report important. Russia. Da jews. Etc. Pay no attention. Everything is jews

>> No.10525008

https://www.acsh.org/news/2018/07/26/asia-africa-cause-90-plastic-pollution-worlds-oceans-13233

Hm....

>> No.10525009

>>10522053
American plastic waste goes into landfills. It doesn't clog up the oceans. You can't just gloss over that fact you retarded cu.ck.

>> No.10525010

>>10524503
What if I told you empathy is a recessive trait and only is present in large quantities in certain haplogroups

>> No.10525015

>>10524993
I think it's a lot higher than 5-10%

>> No.10525019

>>10525010
There is probably a lot more to it than that. Empathy is learned (or more often than not, not learned). Look at how kids treat eachother.

>> No.10525025

>>10525010
Drugs and alcohol tend to rob people of their empathy as well, or more accurately keep them from learning empathy.

>> No.10525057

name one (1) form of recycling that doesn't produce pollution itself. It only mitigates pollution, and thats simply a fact. The argument then becomes of an inevitable future for humans. At what point in the distant future do we want to come to terms with the pollution? What will the pollution cause? Telling people to recycle more and forcing them, which will eventually happen in some capacity i predict, only pushes down the poor further into a well and generally hurts the working masses. Obviously its easy to say people are retards for not recycling when you live in an extremely developed economic city or hub in europe or the united states, but the virtue signaling gets more and more distasteful the more you interact and pay attention to peoples with developing economies. I think youll tend to find its rich moral arbiter upper class people that tend to have this view point, for obvious psychological and economic reasons. Its a wonderful way to both ignore how society is working economically, and claim superiority over others; not on a monetary basis, but on a virtue basis. Anyways, the peoples and nations that want to lift themselves out of poverty will always be more in number then the people who are in the upper classes, simply because birthrates are a direct function of the general wealth of a society. The more poverty stricken, the more familial structure and development there is; this is because of the sheer utility that having several children brings to a developing economy. All in all, the only way to mitigate the eventual destruction of the planet in meaningful capacity, let me re iterate, in evitable after all, is implementation of totalitarian style eugenics and population control. This is just one reason why china will be a super power relatively soon, and will continue to rise.

>> No.10525142

>>10525057
Uncle Ted had it right. A global rejection of industrialization is the only hope in the long term.

>> No.10525333

>>10525019
How can social sciences be so cucked? Empathy like everything else is nature and nurture. Nurture only goes so far. There are obviously innate genetic markers for mental traits.

>> No.10526172

>>10522297
I disagree, but your solution is still way better than just throwing all that shit into the ocean.

>> No.10526349
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>>10522005
only harmonious societies can pull it off.
case in point based japan. pic related, from left to right: burnable, non-burnable, takeout containers, plastic bottles, cans, bottles.
part of the reason is their islands are overpopulated, they don't have much space for landfills.
we also did it in the navy (burnable/plastics/cans), but that was also out of absolute necessity because they had to store the trash on board until they can get somewhere to dump it. which meant burning as much as possible and crushing the rest down.
it definitely won't work in america where half the population are brainlets, many of whom refuse to do it unless you pay them, and even businesses just dump their shit anywhere they want because muh profits. we had literal syringes from nearby pharmas washing up on beaches in new jersey

>> No.10526352

>>10524037
The animals in the environments that I eat from are controlled. Grass fed beef on established ranches and a good sized garden. I network with my neighbors and trade for things I dont grow myself and vice versa. I get fresh beef and chicken raised on renewable food sources grown on private property. Completely separate from whatever you peasants are eating from ChinaMart.
>>10524041
You might, but I sure as fuck dont. I get my food via the methods explained above, and have access to a community well tapped into a natural aquifer.

>>10524503
Kek not falling on the sword of envirotardism wallet first is going to kill us all? Sign me up.

>> No.10526383
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10526383

>>10525057
>virtue signaling
this is little more than appeal to motive to avoid addressing the position you disagree with.
the purpose of a business (and money itself, for that matter) is ultimately to serve people. by not completely fucking things up for the people they serve, they actually help themselves in the long run.
you shear the sheep. you tend to and feed the sheep even though it costs you some of your profits. that's not virtue signaling, it's good business.
niggers rob, sell drugs, and in general fuck up their own neighborhoods for profit. are you a nigger, anon?

>>10526352
>and have access to a community well tapped into a natural aquifer.
enjoy it while it lasts cucklord.

>> No.10526625

>>10526349
>harmonious societies
Here's your reality check, you fucking weeb
http://www.italiangoodnews.com/italy-is-the-waste-recycling-leader-in-europe/

>> No.10526631

>>10526625
nothing about the article contradicts anything that was claimed

>> No.10526653

>>10522017
I remember reading about this concept city they wanted to make in korea. Hyperconnectivity and systems like you scan a product before you throw it in the recycling bin and it credits you money or else. It's a strong way to push people to do it imo.

>> No.10526666

>>10522005
People suck and no, the vast majority of people can't think further than their next meal. Fact of life.

>> No.10526676

>>10522005
BECAUSE OCEANS ARE NOT PRIVATISED

>> No.10526678

>>10526172
m8, when oil costs less than sorting and collecting polymers, there's no reason to not use oil

>> No.10527187

>>10522005
it just makes no sense. If you really wanted to reduce pollution, you should JUST FUCKING BAN WRAPPINGS and disposable bottles. Collecting trash for the nigger ruling at the time to take care of it is retarded non-solution.
Fucking brainlets I swear...

>> No.10527189

>>10522679
yeah right, because if 1/7.000.000.00 does something it has impact.... fucking brainlets!!!!!!!! it is the same as believing people would pay taxes voluntarily because they would want to contribute to their conutry....
god

>> No.10527191

Watch sadhguru.

>> No.10527194

>>10524500
>>10524532
same in germany for cans and bottles.

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>>10526631
>the niggers of europe
>"a harmonious society"

>> No.10527576

>>10526625
anything is possible in the minor leagues anon. yet the best european country matches the average of asian countries.
seethe harder faggot.

>> No.10527633

>>10526352
>not falling on the sword of envirotardism wallet first
lol ya that's pretty much exactly how a true psychopath would view some pesky concept like "the common good"

I like 4chan because reminders that people like you are lurking out there are important to keep grounded.

>> No.10527648

>>10522005
Because it is a white thing, and the world is becoming less and less white.