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10489821 No.10489821 [Reply] [Original]

How does little Singapore have two top 10 tech universities? Do they even invent stuff?

https://twitter.com/spectatorindex/status/1109273558365163520

>> No.10489847
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10489847

>>10489821
hmmm

>> No.10489848

>>10489847
Why are countries with a weak phenotype in that list, has /sci/ lied to me/?

>> No.10489864

>>10489821
> Engineering
> tech
There's your answer.

>> No.10489869
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>>10489821
anything after 5 is irrelevant

>> No.10489876

>>10489848
Singapore welcomes foreigners with money, so their genepool is wider in that area.

>> No.10489878

>>10489847
>implying causality

You get good research with good funding and good management. Those attract good researchers, and good researchers attract more good researchers.

Saying Singapore has good universities because the average Singaporean is smart is like saying Madrid has good football teams because the average Madrileño is a good football player.

>> No.10489880

The quality of berkeley eng/tech students is actually quite low compared to other colleges on this list.

>> No.10489885

>>10489869
Nice arbitrary cut off. You're pretty strong for a failure, moving those goalposts all by yourself.

>> No.10489888

>>10489821
>How does little Singapore have two top 10 tech universities? Do they even invent stuff?

A good look at their budget will reveal the mystery to you.

>> No.10489891
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>>10489878
damn, you knocked that straw man the fuck out

>> No.10489893

>>10489880
That's obvious to anyone who has went to any of the ones on that list.

>> No.10489896

ETHZ budget is 1.1 billion, and it doesn't invent or innovate that much. Most good students use it to move to Ivy leagues, while students from 3rd world countries use it to do research.

>> No.10489900

>>10489821
Singapore is rich as shit.
It's like you're vising some star trek planet.

>> No.10489907

>>10489821
Singapore is rich af.
They can buy the best equipment, pay for the best staff, and attract the quality students.

Genius researchers/students make good schools, not the other way around.

Schools with good funding can attract the geniuses.
Those geniuses are more likely to accomplish things.
The school gets credit for playing a role in those accomplishments and receives more funding.
Repeat.

The money attracts the quality and the quality attracts the money.

>> No.10489911

>>10489869
Berkeley is literally Cope U

>> No.10489918

>>10489847
Then why aren't South Korean, Japanese, and Chinese universities on the list?

>> No.10489930

>>10489918
This is the second person to make this non-sequitur. I didn't make any claims about causality, all I did was point out Singapore has the highest IQ and that it gets the noggin joggin.

>> No.10489937
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>>10489918
>Chinese universities
ROC>PRC

>> No.10489941

>>10489930

If you're not claiming causality then why do you point out the data without any indication about what your argument is?

Singapore having the highest IQ is not an argument by itself, that's just the data.

>> No.10489962
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>>10489941
>argument
I never brought an argument. It's just interesting that Singapore has the top universities while also having the top IQ.

>> No.10489964

>>10489821
No, Singapore is all banking

>> No.10489968

>>10489962
Good point. You really did just say hmmm. Though it's understandable that they thought you meant it causally.

>> No.10489982

>>10489968
I can kind of understand why they would take it to be causal, especially how a lot tends to be implied in chan culture, but formally speaking there is no way to validly infer any claim about causality in what I've said. I suppose I expected /sci/ to be less promiscuous in drawing conclusions but we're all human.

>> No.10490000

>>10489918
It's almost as if geopolitical and socioeconomic factors have an outsized effect on outcome?
Nah, can't be true, that would contradict the known truth that genetics > all

>> No.10490013

>>10489911
What is UCLA then?

>> No.10490016

>>10490013
"Public Ivy" U aka Cope II U

>> No.10490026

>>10489821
>The Spectator Index
Top tier thread. Their twitter lists them as a 'global media company' and they solely exist as cut + pasting headlines into their twitter timeline so it's literally just one guy spamming.

>> No.10490051

>>10490013
A university for people who didn't get admitted into UC Berkeley

>> No.10490066

>>10489962
>>10489982
>OP asks how/why Singapore has two top 10 universities
>you reply to that post with a table that says Singapore has the highest IQ and no text other than a 'hmmm'

I wouldn't blame a person for inferring that a reply to a question pointing out some data was indeed an attempt to answer that question.

>> No.10490084

>>10489982
formally speaking you write like a fag and your shit's all retarded

>> No.10490095

>>10490066
The reasoning would still be invalid.
>>10490084
wtf I hate logic now

>> No.10490104
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>>10489821
>America has #1 and #2 spots
>America also has more blacks than all other countries in that list combined

Alright, if that doesn't prove black people have the highest iq I don't know what does

>> No.10490683

>>10489900
>>10489907
Correction: Chinks are rich as shit.
>>10489918
Singapore is practically China.

>> No.10491550

Is McGill a decent school or is it UCLA tier? How about Kings College London.

Thinking of either for mathematics.

>> No.10491553

It doesn't.
Rankings are not what you think they are.

>> No.10491591

>>10490683
>Singapore is practically China.
That's Shanghai you ignoramus.

>> No.10491618

>>10489847
Ouch!
Does the US even break 100?

>> No.10491640

>>10491618
Our IQ average would be higher if we had less blacks and Latinos

>> No.10491644

>>10490013
The fun but less smart version of Berkeley

>> No.10491650

>>10489821
Non US/European universities don't count. How can Tsinghua be a #10 tech school when they don't even have google in China?

>> No.10491776

>meme list from meme magazine from meme country
>doesnt even have the (((blue checkmark)))
thanks, into the trash it goes

>> No.10492621

>>10491650
Huawei, Alibaba, Baidu, and Xiaomi shit on Silicon Valley.

>> No.10492803

>>10491640
Excuses are like assholes

>> No.10492946

>>10492803
If we didn't have them, everyone would be full of shit all the time?

>> No.10493066

>>10491591
Singapore has a huge Chinese population, retard.

>> No.10493133

>>10491550
What a retarded post

>> No.10494008
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10494008

Tfw graduated from ETHZ, feels great

>>10489896
this guy is a retard

>> No.10494193

>>10492803
so are niggers

>> No.10494331
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10494331

>tfw ba/ma from ethz
>every job I want
>600k starting

>> No.10494357

>>10494008
I will be at ETH in one year, it's my dream...Could you please share your experience or any advice?

>> No.10494361

>>10494357
ba or masters?

>> No.10494363

>>10494361
masters

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10494395

>going to top 400 school
>mfw literally best school in my post code
undergrad school doesnt matter , r-right g-guys ?

>> No.10494669

>>10490051
Ahem, you meant to say "The University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign"

>> No.10494741

>>10491640
Oh gee 2-3 points so big. Much smart.

>> No.10494761

>>10489821
Zurich is better.
It didn't win because "diversity" is a metric.

>> No.10494765

>>10490104
blacks don't go to college

those are like 80% white cuck 20% everyone else

>> No.10494925
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10494925

>>10489869
BASED and if I do say myself BLUE&GOLDPILLED

>>10489885
>>10489880
>>10489911
Cringe!

>> No.10495501

>>10494363
just study hard and do your work. the hard part at eth is the bachelor with drop out rates over 50% in the first year

>> No.10495572

>>10495501
Thank you anon. Which master program did you choose? I plan on going either in control systems or electrical engineering

>> No.10495629

>>10494008

funny i graduated too and you are a complete brainlet if you dont understand that smart people dont stay at ETHZ but rather move on to MIT and Ivy leagues if they are good enough

>>10495501

the failure rate for bachelors are not 50% anymore. They made the bachelors a lot easier in the last 10 years

>> No.10495729

What is the best Russian STEM university?

>> No.10495922

>>10489869
you mean 3

>> No.10495929

>>10495922
>more goal post moving
kek

>> No.10496016

>>10493066
So does Vancouver, what's your point?

>> No.10496030

>>10495729
KGB

>> No.10496149

>>10495629
bullshit
https://vis.ethz.ch/de/visionen/pdfs/2018/visionen_2018_5.pdf?end=30&start=25

>> No.10496177

>>10496149
That doesn't look very different from your typical European university in terms of fail/pass ratios. The question is how hard it is to get a 4 (pass) compared with other universities. That is, how smarter ETHZ students are.

I recently sent an email to apply for an open PhD position. Wish me luck.

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>>10489821
>>10489847
Thanks to this old white guy.
https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/education/how-ntu-climbed-the-rankings

>> No.10496200

>>10494395
if ur a med fag then sure,

>> No.10496283

>>10496149

That's nowhere near 50% failure rates.

>> No.10496301

>>10496149


> 75% passed the second block exam , in the past year 66.6%

> then from the people that took the first semester exam in their second semester (46 people, including people who repeat already) , only 34% passed

overall this is an extremely high passing rate, 3/4 passed and from the people that repeated 1/3 passed

>> No.10496319

>>10496283
>>10496301
that's because it's only half of the story

https://vis.ethz.ch/de/visionen/pdfs/2018/visionen_2018_3.pdf?end=12&start=10

passing rate in the first semester was 49.9%. of those who passed only 70% passed the second part

>> No.10496329

>>10496319
>https://vis.ethz.ch/de/visionen/pdfs/2018/visionen_2018_3.pdf?end=12&start=10


yes, but the year before 71.6% passed the first semester. second semester is much more representative anyhow because any swiss person can go and study at the ETHZ and many also just study one semester because they want to retake the medical entry exam

>> No.10496338

>>10496329
even with a passing rate of 70% in both exams you still get ca. 50%. but that's not thend of it as we all know. passing rate in 3/4th semester is ca. 70% again

>> No.10496340

>>10496338

70+% each semester is standard for a uni and a STEM course

>> No.10496346

>>10496340
so?

>> No.10496350

>>10496346

the ETHZ is not special in this case and the bachelor students are not specially "weeded" out compared to other unis

>> No.10496357

>>10496350
that's where you are wrong. only students who already belong to the top 20% even try to study at a top stem uni. there is a huge qualitative difference between eth, mit and what not student and someone studying at a random uni.

>> No.10496364

>>10496357

anybody can take the entrance exam for ETH, its not even that difficult and it is also not curved. medical entry exam is much harder to get into and is actually curved
a lot of the people who fail, do so because they swap their subject and/or never intended to complete the bachelor in the first place
not because they are being wed out

that's where your -30% pass rate comes from mainly
it's really not that hard to pass and enter in ETHZ if you do your work

>> No.10496385

>>10496364
Disregarding entrance exam, how are ETH courses compared to MIT?

>> No.10496397

>>10496385
he has no idea. he is a buttmad fasthochschüler

>> No.10496447

>>10496397
I can understand and vouch for him, studying in a Fachhochschule is a maddening experience. No rigor whatsoever, watered down "math" courses, high school level physics...

>> No.10496448

>>10489821
Seychelles

>> No.10496455

>>10489821
having trouble believing Berkeley is that high, based on the people it produces

>> No.10496461

>>10496397
>>10496447

I got a bsc and msc in physics from ETHZ you retards. no wonder everybody looks down on ITET brainlets

>>10496385

There isnt much difference on the bachelor level in between european Unis.
The ETH graduate courses can range from very good (taught by a fields medalist) to completely memey (taught by some swiss farmer from butthurt nowhere).
It's definitely not as competitive as MIT, but there isn't much competition on the bachelor level anyway.
Thirdworlders and eastern euros come to ETH, good people from ETHZ go to the US (MIT, UCLA etc.). This has always been the case.
The swiss gov has been pouring money like mad onto ETHZ to change that, but nothing has changed in the past 10 years. Swiss people just aren't very competitive academically.

>> No.10496463

>>10496461
fasthochschüler confirmed

>> No.10496465

>>10496463

> claims 50% failure rates
> check department
> D-ITET

lol

>> No.10496467

>>10496465
>claims to have degree x
>cant even into basic algebra

>> No.10496469

>>10496467

> thinks failure rates of a third rate clown department or faculty mean anything

>> No.10496473

>>10496469
>moves the goal post even further without realising that he only makes himself look retarded

>> No.10496475

>>10496473

> has to take baby math because real math is too hard for him

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>>10496475
>talks of "real maths"
>claims to have studies physics

>> No.10496486

>>10496200
cs

>> No.10496530

>>10494925
if you're mathanon, help me out.
Rieffel is teaching 202A again, is he that bad or is it chill as long as you read shit on the side?
Also did you see the list of grad classes for next year? I might have to make myself take 214 (diff manifolds) with Hutchings in the spring, despite what a clusterfuck 140 is with him. Seems like a foundational class, only prereq is 202A.
Pugh remains absolutely based and redpilled however. Half his in-class proofs are, "look at it, obvious".

>> No.10497330

>>10489869
Retard. Your meme ranks are useless. Anyone who understands how academia works knows that you have too look at the departments, not the universities as a whole. The best one to go is the one where the best researchers in your field work. MIT, for instance, doesn't even compare to european top schools in control engineering.
>inb4 fuck academia, I'll go into industry
Then it literally doesn't matter where you got your undergrad degree (knowlodge-wise, but going to top schools may grant you status, since there are retards who think more of people who go to top schools).

>> No.10497333

>>10489821
>Singapore
It’s a US vassal state and one of the shining examples of American Nation Building.

>> No.10497336

>>10489821
Where's Texas A&M?

>> No.10497361

>>10497336
this

>> No.10497704

>>10496030
Wtf not stem?? I'm mostly interested in statistics

>> No.10497710

>>10489847
Why do western retards, especially in Americas are measuring "intelligence" with some shitty IQ tests that were designed by some idiots that have received their humanitarian degree in psychology after 3-5 years of studying?

>> No.10497714

>>10497710
And why do hundreds of versions of these retarded tests exist? Is it to complicated for them to understand that evaluating such nonexistent subject like "intelligence" is a pretty senseless entertainment?

>> No.10497716

>>10497714
I am starting to think that the only valid criterion for determination of ones intelligence level is ones position on the topic of verity of the IQ test results.

>> No.10497722

Cali fucking sucks and everyone posting in this thread is a fag

>> No.10497734

>>10497722
Cali is good when it is installed on a huge server cluster, or a super computer

>> No.10497737

>>10497734
In fact, majority of the super computers run on some version of Linux

>> No.10497738

>>10497734
Everyone in thread confirmed for fags.

>> No.10497822

>>10489937
帥哥在幹嘛

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>>10489821
No California Institute of Technology? Hmm...

>> No.10497846

>>10491550
>Is McGill a decent school
Yes.

>> No.10498250

>>10497330
Could you pls tell me which uni is the absolute best in the world for studying computer engineering?