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10471132 No.10471132 [Reply] [Original]

>"We have no right to assume that any physical laws exist, or if they have existed up until now, that they will continue to exist in a similar manner in the future."

>> No.10471147

>>10471132
planck was so great. he was really the first physicist besides einstein to truly understand special relativity, and if you read his writings about it from early on, he stressed how the _invariance_ of the physical laws and the invariance of c was the best part of the relativity principle. also:
>Planck stressed the objective and absolute character of the natural constants. This was not only crucial from a scientific point of view, but also held a moral value for him. In his autobiography of 1949 he drew a parallel between the values of the absolute constants of nature and 'absolute values in ethics'. An outspoken critic of positivism and relativism (not to be confused with relativity!), it was important for Planck to present fundamental physics as completely detached from the human mind. In an address of 1908 he spoke of the [Planck] constants of physics as signifying an 'emancipation from anthropomorphic elements'. Because they were universal in character and independent of particular substances, they could be used to 'determine units of length, time, mass, and temperature, and these units must necessarily retain their meaning for all time and for all extra-terrestrial and superhuman kulturs... [They] are such that the inhabitants of Mars, and indeed all intelligent beings in our universe, must encounter at some time--if they have not already done so'.

>> No.10471295
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10471295

>In Munich, Planck enrolled as a student in the well-respected Maximilian Gymnasium school. Planck excelled in school and was interested in many subjects. He enjoyed the study of philosophy and was a gifted musician. However, he had also become very interested in physics thanks to his math teacher, Herman Muller, who spent extra time teaching him about astronomy and physics.

>tfw modern physicist are contaminated by the faggots on the right and think that "philosophy is dumb" and not helpful to physics.

>> No.10471679

>>10471295
Philosophy is not helpful to physics, but forms of science can be similar to philosophy in the sense of finding shit out and using it.
The reasons the good scientists were also interested in philosophy and such is mainly because their brains were not as one-sided as other people, modern physicists are still great but not as great as these, not because they don't enjoy philosophy but rather because they just don't have the same brain structure that allows for creativity.

>> No.10472205

>>10471132

Physical laws are created by humans to try and explain what is observed, but is it assumed that they 'exist'?

One could make laws that stop working at random times to be replaced by other ones but I don't think there has been much success with this kind of approach.

>> No.10472220

>>10471147
incel nerd

>> No.10472238

>>10471147
>he was really the first physicist besides einstein to truly understand special relativity
>I mean other than the guy Einstein stole it from: Henri Poincare.

>> No.10472256

>>10471295
let philosophy come up with something novel and useful, then ill reconsider my position on it you dumb faggot

>> No.10472443

>>10472256
>if I can't make stuff with it, its not useful
Stupid NPC mindset

>> No.10472450

>>10472443

I upvote this guy: >>10472256
I downvote this guy: >>10472443

>> No.10472459

>>10471132
Sounds reasonable to me. It's already been guessed that the laws of physics vary in different areas.

>> No.10472461

>>10472459
What laws govern the variance of laws with respect to space?

>> No.10473248

>>10472443
>talking about science
>utility shouldn't be upheld as virtue
im a math guy and even i know this shit
leave it to a philosophy fag to defend total abject failure

>> No.10473445

>>10472256
>let philosophy come up with something novel and useful

You mean like physics

>inb4, physics is its own thing now, who cares that scientific thought was a direct result of philosophical thinking that happened to work out super well

>> No.10473861

>>10471147
explain this to me im a brainlet

>> No.10473874

>>10473445
>figuring out the right equations to describe reality
>"the meaning of life" "if i rebuild a ship little by little does it change lmao"
they have always been separate you pathetic shit
trying to shoehorn these two entirely distinct things together is just you trying to prop up your position with the success of something unrelated

>> No.10473908

>>10473874
>figuring out mathematical descriptions of reality

Has been a philosophical pursuit since antiquity and if anything it's idiotic to not at least give credit to philosophers for laying the groundwork for modern science.

>"the meaning of life" "if i rebuild a ship little by little does it change lmao"
>Shit that gets shown to be empty pointless questions in any phil101 class

You're either not even trying or are ignorant of the subject. Ignoring the enormous influence the philosophical tradition has had on the foundational thinkers of the various sciences, as if some dudes just sprung up and said "lol, just science this shit, isn't it obvious" is pleb tier shit.

I mean we still barely have good theory of mind and idiots going around claiming that "you REALLY just feel shit because of, like, chemicals", so how do you expect that to get resolved?

>> No.10473938

>>10471295
You mean neo"liberal" centrists and SJWs, right? People like Krause and Bill Nye are so far from the right.

>> No.10473943

>>10473938
He meant "right" in the picture

>> No.10474613

>>10473874
You are the second dumbest type of person, beaten only by actual retarded people.