Why does the Universe have a speed limit? Is it a restriction of the simulation?

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Anonymous Thu Mar 14 23:19:58 2019 No.10468297 [Reply] [Original]

Why does the Universe have a speed limit?
Is it a restriction of the simulation?

Anonymous Thu Mar 14 23:26:04 2019 No.10468314
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>>10468297
Space has something like density and compressibility that defines the speed of light.

[math] \displaystyle
c = \frac{1}{ \sqrt{ \varepsilon_0 \mu_0}}
[/math]

source:
https://arxiv.org/pdf/1003.0070
A quaternionic unification of electromagnetism and hydrodynamics
page 7

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 14 23:27:35 2019 No.10468316 >>10468297 >Why does [law of physics work the way it does]? Does it imply [nonsense bullshit untestable pseudo-metaphysical pop sci result]?

Anonymous Fri Mar 15 09:20:55 2019 No.10468959

>>10468316
>Law of physics
>Not just how it happens to be
There is no law stating that nothing can travel faster than the speed of light, it's just so happens that that's the fastest anything without mass can go, therefore the top speed. Sorry if you can't understand the difference.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 15 13:56:26 2019 No.10469454 File: 29 KB, 339x382, 1552532518731.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10468297 It's the speed at which the universe creates itself

Anonymous Fri Mar 15 14:28:32 2019 No.10469532

>>10468297
You're going at 0.5c,
there is a region of space you originated.

You measure the velocity of light in region you originated that is static, it's going faster than light in your region, can you explain why that light is moving faster than c?

Where is local time reference point fucking stated in theory of relativity? Can somebody point out or you just pop tier brainlets?

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 15 15:06:30 2019 No.10469637 File: 21 KB, 250x180, Gospers_glider_gun.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >pic related

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 15 15:08:12 2019 No.10469642 >>10468314 mai nigga, first response, best response. Nigga anon delivers.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 15 15:09:34 2019 No.10469647 >>10468314 If space has something like density you're talking about luminescent eather, how pathetic.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 15 15:13:21 2019 No.10469658 >>10468297 It's locality. Without it this planet would be colonized by some retarded intergalactic faggots and you wouldn't exist to ask this question.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 15 15:16:06 2019 No.10469670 >>10468314 >tl;dr: aether Am I being meme'd on? I'm just brainlet with layman-tier understandings of astrophysics and subatomic particles

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 15 16:37:02 2019 No.10469885 max processing speed of the simulation is running on ayylmao-amd because ayylmao-intel was too expensive so now we're stuck on this fucking planet with no interstellar empire

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 15 22:13:59 2019 No.10470662 >>10469647 >density >luminescent eather choose one

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 15 22:15:02 2019 No.10470664 >>10469670 >>10470662

Anonymous Sat Mar 16 02:26:23 2019 No.10471235

>>10468314
So how is this different in functionality to a torpedo moving through water?

If space has density then would that not make it a very light fluid? In any case density implies mass. Mass implies matter. Matter implies empty space is made of "something".

If true, and if understood and exploited, would that not make concepts similar to supersonic cavitation possible? By something absurd like firing quarks out the nose as the thrusters fire antimatter pebbles out the ass...

I don't know. Do you WANT to break reality? Because if true, then it is likely that the limitations placed on the speed of light could be broken. If those limitations could be understood.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 16 02:30:37 2019 No.10471242 File: 259 KB, 471x446, 1429608177818.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10470662 density of what?

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 16 02:51:45 2019 No.10471270 >>10468314 >>10157216 >>10125924 >>9680440 >>9580905 >>9450191 >>9161879 >>8853060 based "Space has something like density and compressibility that defines the speed of light" poster...

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 16 02:53:27 2019 No.10471274 >>10471242 who knows. doesn't mean that you can ignore the fact that [math] \varepsilon_0[/math] and [math] \mu_0[/math] have specific values

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 16 02:59:28 2019 No.10471285 File: 73 KB, 850x400, cd373b11a398ca9153278114f7f2a42f.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10471274 >who knows. Well it's not "space". Space has no properties. How is a change in density a "speed"?

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 16 02:59:36 2019 No.10471286 >>10471235 look, gravity has a similar formula as EM. no one rational is saying than this means that they are the same thing, it's just that their symmetries have some similarities. same thing probably at work in >>10468314

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 16 03:00:59 2019 No.10471290 >>10471285 read the last line again those constants apply to the vacuum

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 16 03:04:20 2019 No.10471297 >>10471290 >the vacuum elaborate.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 16 03:08:14 2019 No.10471300 >>10468297 are there other cases of literal infinites?

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 16 03:37:23 2019 No.10471340 >>10469454 Ok, I'll believe this.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 16 03:42:26 2019 No.10471346 >>10471297 Vacuum is space devoid of matter.

Anonymous Sat Mar 16 03:51:48 2019 No.10471356

>>10471346
That is what is taught but at one point in time people were taught that the sun revolved around the earth.

I find it plausible that a vacuum COULD be made up of some charge or tiny fragments of particles or something similar.

However there is currently no evidence for any such thing. Aside from a claim that vacuum possesses a force which can reduce the maximum speed of light, and that our observed speed of light may not be its maximum possible speed at all.

Which could throw theories of time travel into chaos. It could be implied then that FTL travel is possible without breaking time.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 16 03:51:50 2019 No.10471357 File: 187 KB, 768x768, 1551759720945.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10471346 So what is being "compressed"? How does something "devoid" have density? Shit doesn't make sense.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 16 03:53:47 2019 No.10471358 Yes

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 16 03:55:49 2019 No.10471363 Limiting your simulations is good software engineering principles

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 16 03:57:59 2019 No.10471366 >>10471357 >>10471286

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 16 03:59:59 2019 No.10471370 >>10471356 >I find it plausible well duh https://profmattstrassler.com/articles-and-posts/particle-physics-basics/virtual-particles-what-are-they/

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 16 04:11:53 2019 No.10471385 >>10471366 Yeah and? What is this an answer to? I am asking what the shit is made of? It's a medium is it not? If something has the ability to be "compressed" and "dense" then its something is it not? It's not "nothing", that makes even less sense.

Anonymous Sat Mar 16 04:24:00 2019 No.10471407

>>10468297
>Why does the Universe have a speed limit?
I think the answer has something to do with the way time works. If you imagine time as being a direction you are moving in and by accelerating in a spacial direction your velocity in the time direction decreases. The speed limit would be the point where you have stopped moving forward in time and are instantaneously moving from point to point in space.

Anonymous Sat Mar 16 04:43:08 2019 No.10471428

>>10471385
>an answer to
Stop talking religion.
Permittivity and permeability of the vacuum are measurable in any good lab.
The math works a lot like hydrodynamics.
You screaming autistically that space isn't water is just emotional hand-waving, nobody is claiming it. But something similar is going on mathematically, and whatever that is, it isn't the naive "absolutely nothing" that jesusfreaks talk about.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 16 05:36:45 2019 No.10471538 >>10471407 this

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 16 05:50:51 2019 No.10471558 >>10471270 damn... he swoops in quick for these threads

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 16 06:47:27 2019 No.10471645 >>10471558 whom?

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 16 07:28:12 2019 No.10471678 >>10468297 Yes, but if you bend space far enough and make light suck its own dick, the fuckery that ensues is more game breaking than dividing by zero. In fact, it may be this very thing in our 'simulation' that IS the equivilant of dividing by zero.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 16 07:31:35 2019 No.10471680 >>10469532 Brainlet post

Anonymous Sat Mar 16 09:03:40 2019 No.10471782

>>10471346
Call me when we've achieved true vacuum and thrown a photon through it.
If we have trouble creating perfect vacuum for giant balls of energy (atoms), why on earth would we have achieved vacuum of the tiniest particles (dark matter). It'd be like trying to catch sand with a fishing net.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 16 09:07:16 2019 No.10471788 >>10468959 There is no difference you pseud, saying "sorry you can't understand the difference" means nothing but a pathetic attempt to assert fake superiority.

Anonymous Sat Mar 16 09:14:22 2019 No.10471802
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>>10468297
>Why does the Universe have a speed limit?
It's the only way to make Maxwell's equations work right in all inertial frames of reference.

>Is it a restriction of the simulation?
If the universe is a simulation, the "computer" it's running on is WAY different than anything we've ever conceived in the way of computer hardware, so there wouldn't be one human being on Earth qualified to answer this question.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 16 09:19:26 2019 No.10471810 File: 81 KB, 842x792, CE5B7B49-D56B-41AF-B9B1-95CC975A3CD9.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10471407 Big brain post

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 16 09:22:55 2019 No.10471819 File: 318 KB, 699x680, 21445A5A-C930-4436-81A9-D4D93DE9A926.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10471242 >>10471370 Berserkfag btfo’d again everytime

Anonymous Sat Mar 16 13:02:19 2019 No.10472173
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>>10471428
>Stop talking religion
Stop giving me the runabout. You're the only one here pretending to know something. I am asking a question.

>Permittivity and permeability of the vacuum are measurable in any good lab.
So it's a medium then?

>The math works a lot like hydrodynamics.
So the math describes it as a medium?

>You screaming autistically that space isn't water is just emotional hand-waving, nobody is claiming it. But something similar is going on mathematically, and whatever that is, it isn't the naive "absolutely nothing" that jesusfreaks talk about.

THEN WHAT IS IT? I never said it was water, I'm asking whether it's a medium or not.

>>10471819

>Hey he's an article with a bunch of shit berserkfag already said in different descriptions!
>"It refers precisely to a disturbance in a field that is not a particle"
The only thing that's been "blown out" of me is my sides, they're in the next galaxy as we speak.

>"For those who learned (and recall a bit of) freshman physics, what is happening is that the (oscillating electric field) that makes up the (photon) is polarizing the electron field — inducing a dipole moment. Remember (dielectrics and how electric fields(dielectric field) can polarize them)? Well, (the vacuum of empty space itself, because it has an electron field in it, is a polarizable medium — a dielectric of sorts)".
Gravity is incoherent dielectric acceleration. Fields are not particles, actions aren't particles, and space is "filled space". A medium. Now fuck off.

>Only in a world with no forces — with no interactions among particles at all — are particles merely ripples in a single field!
Holy shit imagine that. What if we has this ONE UNIVERSE that followed the law of thermodynamics and never created nor destroyed anything it had and instead followed the order of itself forever. Ordering itself and the principle of it like ONE FIELD.

>>10471407
How does a measurement "work"?

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 16 13:52:16 2019 No.10472262 >>10469647 >I don't know anything about QFT. Clearly.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 16 13:53:35 2019 No.10472265 >>10468297 >Why does the Universe have a speed limit? It doesn't. Matter waves can't form standing wave patterns at certain speeds; that's all.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 16 17:10:48 2019 No.10472686 >>10471782 This is largely irrelevant. A particle of light would be affected by any matter it interacted with regardless of whether than matter was also in a vacuum or not. Totally different to investigating vacuum itself.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 16 18:10:00 2019 No.10472871 >>10468297 >Why does the Universe have a speed limit? It doesn't. There's just not enough energy in the universe to get anything with mass up to the speed of light or beyond.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 16 18:17:16 2019 No.10472892 >>10468297 If you go over the limit you get fined and sent to the Mass mines

Anonymous Sat Mar 16 18:43:34 2019 No.10472968

>>10469532
Except that has literally never been observed. Theres no need to state a reference frame for measuring light in sr because it is literally an assumption (made for good reason) that light is the same in all reference frames.

What point are you trying to make with your nonsensical jargon?

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 16 19:03:35 2019 No.10473027 >>10472173 >I'm asking whether it's a medium or not It's a medium because it is neither rare nor well done.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 16 19:19:25 2019 No.10473052 >>10468959 >it's just so happens that that's the fastest anything without mass can go why do?

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 16 19:25:42 2019 No.10473063 File: 760 KB, 259x214, 1546473419897.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10473027 >It's a medium because it is neither rare nor well done Proof that the average American grill boomer is smarter than a physicist.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 16 19:33:21 2019 No.10473076 >>10468959 >it's just so happens that that's the fastest anything without mass can go That's what we refer to as a law.

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Anonymous Sun Mar 17 09:33:34 2019 No.10474480

>>10468959

You are incorrect sorry. For example, it is straightforward to write down a theory for the electromagnetic field coupled to spacetime curvature (and without mass term) in a way such that photons would propagate faster than regular photons.

It is fairer to say that as far as we can tell, gravitational waves and light propagate at the same speed, following null geodesics in the appropriate limits.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 17 09:59:03 2019 No.10474506 >>10468297 It doesn't. Speed is just an improper quantity. Us rapidity instead, which is appropriate for hyperbolic spacetimes. It is unbounded.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 17 10:28:30 2019 No.10474555 >>10474506 It's about whether things propagate inside the light cone or not. The light cone structure is ultimately determined by the spacetime metric.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 17 13:57:15 2019 No.10475143 >>10474121 Read the definition, retard

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 17 17:59:27 2019 No.10475936 File: 62 KB, 482x637, 54e0cf0a1c6d86540ee918c64698808f.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10468297 >Why does the Universe have a speed limit? gravity >Is it a restriction of the simulation? unknown

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 17 18:05:58 2019 No.10475948 >>10468297 Because that's how God wants it and you can't question God because hes everywhere and he is love.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 18 02:12:11 2019 No.10476874 >>10468297 I mean theoretically you could go over the speed limit, but then your breaking the law.. of physics.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 18 08:22:26 2019 No.10477395 File: 91 KB, 640x921, Von_Braun_in_the_1960s.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10468297 >Why does the Universe have a speed limit? For good reason!

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 18 08:43:58 2019 No.10477413 What would be the implications of a universe without a speed limit?

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 18 09:53:32 2019 No.10477543 >>10468297 Whatever sets the limits doesn't abide by them, therefore there are no limits.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 18 10:03:57 2019 No.10477557 >>10468297 It actually doesn't. You can accelerate forever, without ever actually hitting the limit.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 18 21:43:36 2019 No.10478943 >>10468297 The speed of light is a property of the universe. Light cannot move faster in our universe without creating causality paradoxes. Because of the limited speed of light, all observers can and must agree on the order of events.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 18 23:06:34 2019 No.10479085 >>10469885 No, it’s because the ayyylmao Jews kept all the intels to shield their ethnostate from mud blood spaceniggers like us

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 18 23:30:12 2019 No.10479142 The SI meter is defined by the speed of light. Something to ponder https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Variable_speed_of_light

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 19 00:18:01 2019 No.10479267 >>10474555 That's exactly what I said.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 19 19:13:46 2019 No.10481653 File: 6 KB, 194x259, Zizek.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10471407 this is true. things that happen at the speed of light happen simultaneously

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 19 19:19:53 2019 No.10481667 >>10468314 they were right all along

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