Vaccines and Autism

[Anonymous No.10464625]

I was watching this clip from Joe Rogan's Podcast with Peter Hotez where they were talking about Anti-vaxxers and Autism. He claims there was a study done that links 99 genes associated with early fetal development to the development of Autism. Therefore vaccines can't have any impact on Autism because these genes manifest prior to vaccination.

I'm not an Anti-vaxxer, but I do think it's worth questioning. If what Peter Hotez and the study claim to be true, I don't think that necessarily clears vaccines from playing a part. Wouldn't that just mean that the vaccines could've had an adverse (yet harmless) effect on the parent, but altered or otherwise influenced the develop of these 99 genes? It may be far-fetched, but certainly not biologically impossible. It would still coincide with the raising rates of autism in the developed world. It still coincides with the fact we're not seeing the same rates in impoverished countries. And would also coincide with the the study. I just find it odd that in all the uncertainty surrounding genetics, psychology, and pathology has a whole; that the scientific community knows with 100% certainty beyond a shadow of a doubt, the absolute truth that vaccines have no connection to Autism. That seems like a grandiose statement for something that everyone admits we don't fully understand yet.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AwjNM2P8IVs [The part in question starts around 6:20]

[Anonymous No.10464693]

>>10464625
>vaccinated
>posts here

vaccines do cause autism.

[Anonymous No.10464714]

>>10464693
Tho I would assume OP retardation to be genetic

[Anonymous No.10464723]

>>10464693
It was either here or /fit/. I figured you guys would be better. I'm starting to question that though.

[Anonymous No.10464736]

>>10464625
>Mental health becomes less of a stigmatized subject in developed countries while remaining unheard of in developing countries
More doctor visits and checkups means more diagnoses.
>Doctors decide that autism is a spectrum and more kids get lumped into it
A "weird kid" from 30 years ago wouldn't have any diagnosis, but might be considered on the spectrum now.
>People in developed countries are waiting longer to have kids on average
Its been known that there is a link between older mothers and children having developmental problems. Compare that to other countries where they are popping out kids like crazy as young as possible.

[Anonymous No.10464917]

>>10464723
/sci/ and /fit/ are horrible places to ask health questions because both are infested by agenda autists who will spam any thread that mentions one of their trigger words.

[Anonymous No.10465174]

>>10464625
>Anti-vaxxers
You mean plague vectors.

[Anonymous No.10465294]

Who gives a shit? Anti-vaxxers only hurt their own progeny and we'll probably be better off with less of them in the gene pool.

[Anonymous No.10465304]

>>10465294
They hurt people who can't get vaccines too though.

[Anonymous No.10465314]

>>10465304
Good, fuck poor people.

[Anonymous No.10465318]

>>10465314
I meant for health reasons, but I'm sure you have an edgy reply for that as well

[Anonymous No.10465326]

>>10465318
That's just natural selection at work.

[Anonymous No.10465329]

>>10465326
Why get vaccinated at all then? Kids dying of measles is just natural selection after all XD

[Anonymous No.10465341]

>>10465329
That's not how natural selection works. Our current environment has vaccines, so the ability to get vaccinated is a trait that will be selected for survival.

[Anonymous No.10465403]

>>10464625
The entire vaccination question begins and ends with Big Pharma's decision to go from not vaccinating very young babies (so they can develop their own immune system) to sticking kids with multiple simultaneous shots that you are not legally allowed to refuse.

[Anonymous No.10465410]

>>10464625
causation is too messy for complicated problems like this, that kind of logic is not reliable

what is reliable are empirical studies, which the medical community did, and after doing found no link

[Anonymous No.10465823]

don't know the veracity (especially considering it is but a single study) of his but it's an interesting read nonetheless
https://translationalneurodegeneration.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/2047-9158-3-16

[Anonymous No.10465898]

>But they debunked vaccines and autism, just look at the science!
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK190028/
>Conclusion 10.6: The evidence is inadequate to accept or reject a causal relationship between diphtheria toxoid–, tetanus toxoid–, or acellular pertussis–containing vaccine and autism.
Oops. Guess they forgot to do the science.

[Anonymous No.10465907]

Should also be mentioned they've never studied the vaccine schedule and that vaccines are only tested independently. Why have we never thought "Hm, maybe injecting children with 50+ vaccines by the age of 6 could have a negative health impact". Imagine if children were walking out of the doctors office with 8 pills each visit multiple times a year, that doctor would be charged as a criminal, yet it's okay for vaccines even though they've NEVER tested it?
Proof
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK206948/
>The committee found no evidence that a trial has ever been conducted to evaluate the entire immunization schedule
>Experts who addressed the committee pointed not to a body of evidence that had been overlooked but rather to the fact that existing research has not been designed to test the entire immunization schedule.
>studies designed to examine the long-term effects of the cumulative number of vaccines or other aspects of the immunization schedule have not been conducted.

How in the hell is any science settled here when you've literally done none?

[Anonymous No.10465916]

>>10465907

157 research papers that lend credibility to the claim of a vaccine-autism/disease link.

https://www.scribd.com/doc/220807175/157-Research-Papers-Supporting-the-Vaccine-Autism-Link