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10459660 No.10459660 [Reply] [Original]

Why are planes so complex these days?

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1105468569800839169

>> No.10459670
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>>10459660
yeah, fuck those brainy nerds, especially since they're all in a giant conspiracy with the chinese. Sad!

>> No.10459686
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>>10459660
>I don't want Einstein to be my pilot
The retards fear the intellectually superior

>> No.10459696

>>10459686
>REEEE WHY CANT I BE AS SMART AS SABRINA ITS NOT FAIR REEEEEEEE

>> No.10459751

Fuck smart people

>> No.10459755
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10459755

>simplicity bad!

>> No.10459759

>>10459755
Exactly my /b/to
Why can we go back to the old days and use simple paddle boats to cross the ocean rather than relying on scary, complex machines doing the work for us
Praise kek

>> No.10459771

I always disliked high IQ people. We have too many of those. We need to return to the old days when humanity actually did things properly using technology that could be understood by everyone

>> No.10459774

>>10459759
I too use a Rube-Goldberg machine to open a door, my good sir! Thanks for the gold, kind stranger!

>> No.10459780

>>10459774
It's called a button

>> No.10459786

>>10459780
Low IQ

>> No.10459792

>>10459774
I concur that doorknobs are too complex
It should just be simply opened by push the door open without any complex locking systems

>> No.10459818

>>10459792
I don't want to touch doors. They should open by motion detection

>> No.10459892

>>10459759
The point of automation is to simplify the complex. The benefits vanish when you need a fucking engineer to operate a machine. People who disagree with this notion are in fact people who want complexity for complexity's sake so they can feel smart.

Although what Trump is saying is retarded since flying planed actually used to be more complex and specialized in the past before autopilot and when there still needed to be a navigator to hard to plan the course using vector algebra.

>> No.10459894

>>10459660
Allow me to paraphrase:

>I want any idiot to be able to hijack, and then crash, a plane.

>> No.10459900

>>10459894
based simple minded poster

>> No.10459905

>>10459892
>more complex and specialized in the past before autopilot and when there still needed to be a navigator to hard to plan the course using vector algebra.
This. If flying a plane is complicated for the pilots these days, it's because pay is too low and hours are too high so only brainlets want the job

>> No.10459907

>>10459660
The point applies to everyday products but I’m pretty sure pilots have their shit together

>> No.10459912 [DELETED] 

Plane should have a race detector, if a dothead, towel or taco enters the cabin, the plane enters in auto and lands in the nearest place.

>> No.10459915

>>10459894
Yeah, better let a hacker hijack it, at least the criminal won't die.

>> No.10459916

>>10459912
Planes should automatically land on trump tower at 500 km/s is that what you want?

>> No.10459919

>>10459916
Depends, how many yanks are in there, it will be boring if only one mutt dies.

>> No.10459920
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10459920

>lemme appeal to my low IQ redneck rural suburban retards
>My voters enjoy low IQ supremacy
This is what trump was thinking

>> No.10459955

>>10459670
>Donald Trump says something perfectly reasonable.
>Like clockwork, leftard has a fit.
Kys

>> No.10459959

>>10459955
He wants another 9/11 so he can press that nuclear button.

>> No.10459965

trump is actually not wrong

>> No.10459970

>>10459660
The problem with everything that beomes more and more sofisticated by a technological point of view is that after some time you only see the particural 1/1000000000 failure and then start blaming "technology". The problem is that we don't see what would have happened without this technology

>> No.10459975

>>10459965
Trump is never wrong. Race war now!

>> No.10459976

Fly by wire was done to replace the cost of pilots, to allow remote hijacking, aka twin towers part II, and to see how many dumb fucks still will get on board a human carrying RC airplane.

>> No.10459977

>>10459920
based mind reader hallucination

>> No.10459984

>>10459660
Wait til he sees the self driving motorcycle. The most pointless vehicle ever devised.

>> No.10459993

>>10459660
I laughed way too hard, what he fuck is he about ?

>> No.10459999

>>10459660
He has a point though. There is a point to be made for cheap low tech solutions, even if they have lower performance. We've let our technological progress get to our heads.

That said, it's still worthy to spend money on researching high tech solutions.

>> No.10460005

>>10459892
What are you even doing on a science board?

>> No.10460114
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10460114

>>10459686
>le particle/wave postulate makes me the smartest person in history!"

Fuck off

>>10459755
t. BMW (Hitlers revenge)

>>10459894
Allow me to paraphrase:

>I want any idiot to be able to hack and control a plane remotely without risk to the terrorist.

>>10459955
Shhh. They still think he caved on amnesty/the wall.

>> No.10460130

>>10460005
you are deep in cognitive dissonance

>> No.10460165

>>10460130
not him, but do you even know what that phrase means, or are you just parroting a buzzphrase?
>The point of automation is to simplify the complex. The benefits vanish when you need a fucking engineer to operate a machine
except it doesnt, because you only need one engineer to watch after many machines, which are all vastly more efficient than more "simple" methods.
I know what you're trying to convey, that overengineering complexity for complexities sake can be detrimental, but blanket statement saying automation benefits disappear because someone has to watch over it is asinine.

>> No.10460169

>>10459660
He's not wrong. He's saying that things need to be easier for emergencies, and you faggots are saying "LOL I WOULD RATHER DIE IN A PLANE CRASH THAN SUPPORT ANYTHING DOMEMBALD BLOAMVBLOMOFMSPF EVER SAYS"
Jesus fuck

>> No.10460185

>>10459915
>>10460114
Good point.

I guess we should ensure all vehicles can be operated remotely.

Just kidding; I'm not that patriotic.

Any nation using drones consents to having automated weaponry be used against it. The terrorists won the moment you escalated.

>> No.10460208

>>10459660
Ah yes, the great aerospace engineer Donald Trump with another reasoned opinion backed up by experience and rigorously developed theory

>> No.10460225

>>10460169
The result of low tech solutions was 9/11

>> No.10460232

>>10460225
9/11 was a terrorist attack, not a result of "low tech solutions" . Planes now have huge bulky cockpit doors preventing that, not a bunch of buttons put there to 'confuse the enemy' or something

>> No.10460257

>>10459686
He's right you know
I would much rather have a veteran USAF pilot than some dude shit out by a university. There's classroom instruction and there's practical experience. And even with the high bar for US pilots (1,500 flight hours for large passenger aircraft) I still want my pilot to be a "natural" pilot in the sense that they are comfortable with flying an aircraft and just know what to do in a given situation. It's reflex.
Ethiopian airlines only requires 200 flight hours, which obviously was a big part of the max crash.

>> No.10460344

>retards saying he's right
Show me an actual commercial airlines company that where "pilots are no longer needed" and computer scientists with no flying hours are hired to fly the planes.
This is what he always does: offer his 2 uninformed cents from his soapbox whenever anything big happens. I would bet actual money that he completely forgets about this shit a week or two from now, because he's not offering actual solutions to any airplane design problems that he doesn't really give a shit about.

>> No.10460347

>>10460257
The guys from university don't fly planes unless I'm wrong. They only assist the pilots.

>> No.10460354

>>10460344
>not offering actual solutions
So he's less productive than a modern comedian.

>> No.10460357 [DELETED] 

>>10460354
Sure, what's your point?

>> No.10460371

>>10459660
Compare failure rates, maintenance costs, and general usability of pre-modern planes to modern planes

>> No.10460387

>>10460357
Mostly an observation to spark a heuristic.

>> No.10460392

>>10460387
I would say he's rather useful to corporate and politically conservative interests, so it's a matter of perspective.

>> No.10460399

>>10460392
Corporations want to kill us because there is money in death. Either half of your perspective or half of your statement is toxic.

>> No.10460400

>>10459959
dude we need a real war again, relax.

>> No.10460405

>>10460399
I'm not saying those interests are "correct" or "right", however Trump is definitely useful to them.

>> No.10460435

>>10460165
cognitive dissonance confirmed

>> No.10461116

If I'm not mistaken he's calling the Ethiopians too stupid to fly a plane

>> No.10461136

He's right

>> No.10461168

>>10461116
Basepilled and red

>> No.10461294

>Why are planes so complex these days?

Same reason submarines, tanks and space shuttles are complex. The larger the vehicle, the more instruments for guidance purposes are needed. Also because you are taking the human out of their natural element of mobility to augment travel abilities thus reducing their total peripheral vision/ head rotation those guidance instruments become increasingly necessary.

It would be easy to call Trump an idiot for such comments but people probably need to be reminded about the necessity of such features.

So until personalized commercial flying vehicles are a thing where it can be small and maximize human optics. People are going to have to accept the complexity.

>> No.10461379

>>10459660
If you peel back the layers of retardation in his phrasing, he is actually right. Excessive layers of abstraction in modern software is a cancer that infects everything it touches. Look at what it did to the F-35. They are chasing diminishing returns while rapidly accumulating a laundry list of very serious maintainability and reliability issues.

>> No.10461389

>>10459660

holy shit this kid is retarded

>> No.10461447

>>10459660
>Why are planes so complex these days?
because humans are too retarded to fly them

>> No.10461779

>>10461379

This. The control logic has basically remained the same. How can you screw this up? Drones have better reliability than these planes.

>> No.10461788

>>10459660
It's called UX Design Donnie. We're working on it.

>> No.10461857

>>10459955
>take event and twist it into some paranoid, grandstanding non-statement
>perfectly reasonable
I'll grant you, exploiting useful idiots is not just perfectly reasonable but everday reality.

>> No.10462683

>>10460185
>if a country doesn't consent to a method of attack then suddenly they're immune from those attacks
woah that's incredible! someone tell the Secretary of Defense immediately!

>> No.10462688

>complex
>auto pilot written in java script

>> No.10462800

I am a control systems engineer and he is right. We incorporate mechanical and analog safety fallbacks at my work to prevent exactly this.

You are forbidden from disagreeing with this post unless you are also a controls engineer.

>> No.10462807

>>10460114
>le particle/wave postulate makes me the smartest person in history!"
Who are you quoting, you retard?

>> No.10463271

>>10462807
The retards that think Einstein was smart. They do exist, unfortunately. Hopefully I'm not quoting you.

>> No.10463653

>>10459660
he has a point. the only thing pilots do is handle take off/landing, in the air the plane flies itself and pilots just monitor

>> No.10463674

Old news.

Air France 447 was all the proof you needed.

>> No.10464577

https://www.statista.com/chart/3335/people-killed-in-commercial-plane-crashes-since-1942/
https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/IS.AIR.PSGR
>number of airline fatalities decline
>while the number of people taking trips on airplanes continue to grow
>while aviation controls become more technology dependent
>somehow it's all the fault of growing automation cause anecdotal accident
Tard leader using tard logic to appeal to tard voterbase. I bet you fags oppose nuclear energy cause of merely 3 historical incidents.

>> No.10464604

>aviation safety is at an all time high!
>aviation is too complex, we should go back to how things used to be!
I wish I could just blatantly refute my own points and still have millions of retards think that I'm a genius.

>> No.10465430

Donald Trump is actually kind of dumb. Who could have possibly guessed?