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10452599 No.10452599 [Reply] [Original]

Why are anti-vaccers looked down on with scorn, when they use the same exact logic that environmentalists use?

>> No.10452603

Would Phoenix Wright support the conservative party of America?

>> No.10452610

Why do antivaxers and climate deniers exist when scientists use the exact same science that makes your car run, and your cell phone work?

>> No.10452620

>>10452599
My only question with this reasoning is why there are so many anti-vaxxers who also deny climate change

>> No.10452621

>>10452610
that's the part i like the most
they use their 4G cell phone with AMOLED display and rechargeable battery to stream their digital videos across the internet to argue that science is bullshit and academia is a jewish fraud

>> No.10452642

The only argument I see anti-vaccers use is "I don't want to inject my kid with a disease"

>> No.10452721

>>10452610
NPC LOGIC

>> No.10452736

>>10452599
>same exact logic
Anti-vaxxers claim that there's a link but they have no idea what it is while environmentalists do?

>> No.10452747

>>10452599
Antivaxxers are not scientists and don't use science to determine if their beliefs are in fact true.

>> No.10452753

>>10452621
They don't think tech is developed from theoretical physics, chemistry, etc. They think it's all just invented by Steve Jobs or something without any R&D. You just need to dream big.

>> No.10452804

Do you really think all the evidence for climate change comes from a single graph and all the evidence against autism/vaccine link comes from a single statistical analysis of a single graph?

>> No.10452814

>>10452610
oh so climate scientists are performing experiments on a planet's climate? TIL

>> No.10452813

>>10452599
Well clearly the difference is that vaccines are man-made and global warming isn't

>> No.10452822

>>10452813
Oh you

>> No.10452823

>>10452599
But we actually know the mechanism by which greenhouse gasses cause warming and can determine the effect of other factors on the current climate.

I’m confident this is bait but there’s a possibility you’re a real retard.

>> No.10452824
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10452824

LMAO at the bamboozled schlongtards who think environmentalists are climatologists.

>> No.10452825

>>10452642
A neutered disease that will render them immune to it. Are you dumb?

>> No.10452827

>>10452621
>>10452753
This is a lazy fucking strawman. You can reject one part of science without rejecting the whole. I know this gets brought up a lot, but this cult-like mentality would have you guys laughing at Copernicus for going against the mainstream consensus at the time. Appeals to majority, authority, and incredulity are anti-science.

>> No.10452830

>>10452814
>oh so climate scientists are performing experiments on a planet's climate? TIL

Determining the effect of CO2 on the thermal energy of a system via experiment is trivial.

>> No.10452832

>>10452830
and climate models are shit

>> No.10452833

>>10452827
>Appeals to majority, authority, and incredulity are anti-science.
What about appeals to a single study with flawed methodology paid for by a lawyer who represented parents trying to get money.

>> No.10452835

>>10452832
>climate models are shit
Is your opinion.

>> No.10452836

>>10452827
>I know this gets brought up a lot, but this cult-like mentality would have you guys laughing at Copernicus for going against the mainstream consensus at the time. Appeals to majority, authority, and incredulity are anti-science.

That’s not true at all. The resistance to heliocentrism was religious in nature rather than scientific.

>> No.10452840

>>10452832
>and climate models are shit

How so? The prediction that increased greenhouse gasses will increase earth’s thermal energy at the surface sure came true.

>> No.10452964

>>10452840
Didn't they predict that the ice caps would melt, and then later on say that the ice age was coming, and now we're heating up again? I get models change, but so far it's been a broken clock, hasn't it?

>> No.10452971

>>10452964
>Didn't they predict that the ice caps would melt, and then later on say that the ice age was coming, and now we're heating up again? I get models change, but so far it's been a broken clock, hasn't it?
No, scientists did not predict an ice age, they predicted a warming trend and gradual melting of the icecaps.

>> No.10453000

>>10452964
Nobody said that an ice age was coming. Maybe some nutjobs in the 70s did. The current consensus is that the polar vortex will weaken and inevitably throw off pieces of itself across the world. Temperature will destabilize, basically massive oscillations around a general warming trend.

>> No.10453007

>>10452964
>Didn't they predict that the ice caps would melt

Who, and when? They ARE melting, as they do every summer, and the amount they melt has been increasing for decades.

>and then later on say that the ice age was coming

Myth.
https://journals.ametsoc.org/doi/10.1175/2008BAMS2370.1

>and now we're heating up again?

We’ve been warming for a good century or more.

>but so far it's been a broken clock, hasn't it?

No.

>> No.10453022

>>10452964
I'm old enough to remember the real scare over Y2K, so when someone tells me the world is ending in a casual conservation over a glass of wine I tend not to worry too much. That's not to dismiss the body of science, just to say that whatever the case is with global warming, it's not nearly as bad as anyone thinks it is or will be. If you thought otherwise you'd be in a bunker.

>> No.10453033

>>10453022
“it's not nearly as bad as anyone thinks it is or will be”

Prove it.

“If you thought otherwise you'd be in a bunker.”

Why would you go into a bunker because of a few extra inches of water in our lifetime and famines in sixty years?

>> No.10453059

I'm still waiting on that ice age we were promised :(

>> No.10453066

>>10453059
We’re in an ice age and always will be until there’s no permanent ice sheet.

>> No.10453072

>>10453059
https://youtu.be/ztninkgZ0ws?t=10m

>> No.10453074

>>10453066
Who is "We"? My area doesn't get Ice at all.

>> No.10453075

>>10452825
No, the people who don’t want their kids vaccinated are. Are you dumb?

>> No.10453136

>>10453022
Shits going to get fucked mate. There’s going to be a lot more refugees

>> No.10453182

>>10452599
For a good response, see >>10452823. As a condensed form of argument, I will point to the fact that the papers suggesting a connection between vaccines and autism had negligible data, and were redacted. This is not the case with the melting ice berg of climate change studies.

>> No.10453286

Because the pharma industry spends billions on lobbying and advertisement so obviously they are going to attack every single person who speaks against them.

One of the largest lobbies in the U.S.

>> No.10453307

The reason why we're seeing such a large increase in autism in children is mainly because of two reasons.
1) the parameters of the spectrum of what constitutes autism gets wider and wider each year, anything from general "I don't know how to talk to people, I guess" to full blown "why didn't you put me down?"

2)Women are having children later and later in life compared to past generations, which increases the chances of defects in the fetus. Uteruses are meant to be used (physiologically speaking) from about 16+, with pregnancies becoming more and more genetically problematic around the 25+ mark.

>> No.10453399

>>10453307
Are you sure it has nothing to do with the ever growing vaccine schedule which now injects day 1 old babies and children get up to 50+ vaccines by the age of 6 compared to the 5 given 50 years ago?

Now try telling me you've studied vaccines and autism while having never looked at any vaccines for any of the following.
Vaccinated vs unvaccinated
Cumulative study of the 72+ given vaccine schedule
real placebo studies using saline and not another vaccine.

>> No.10453446

>>10452836
> religious in character
Exactly. Do you not notice how passionate laypersons get about sinful anti-vaxxers and blasphemous climate deniers

>> No.10453834

>>10453307
>2)Women are having children later and later in life compared to past generations, which increases the chances of defects in the fetus. Uteruses are meant to be used (physiologically speaking) from about 16+, with pregnancies becoming more and more genetically problematic around the 25+ mark
what's the success rate of screening in utero for children that will be autistic for this reason? asking because personally relevant

>> No.10453872

>>10452827
Actually using the strawman in this case not only permitted but also reccomended: when someone is debating against basic logic and factualism you quite often won't be able to reason with that person so using their same logic to undermine and invalidate their arguments. I give you it's lazy tho, and even more lazy was those anon approach. I mean something like
>they are given birth by an obstetrician and survive thanks to hygienic and health discoveries yet argue that science is bullshit and academia is a jewish fraud, Imagine beliving that plasters are evil.

>> No.10453878

>>10452599
What anti-vaccers dont get is that all the vaccines that were suspected to potentially cause autism were outlawed and taken off the market. The fearmongering however lives on.

>> No.10453888

>>10453834
That's morally objectionable, because she might want to abort a possibly defective fetus.

>> No.10453936

>>10452599
Let's assume they're both right.
Anti-vaccers correctness and action (inaction?) will still result in disease spreading.
Environmentalists correctness and action will result in more forests and make the air cleaner and more breathable at the expense of trinket currency.

Thats why. Anti-vaccers, even if right, will do nothing but fuck us all over.
Also quit eating fish. The mercury levels you're complaining about will hold longer and stronger from 1 salmon dinner than a single vaccine shot could ever dream of.

>> No.10453948

>>10453936
>at the expense of trinket currency
the costs involved are non-trivial you absolute brain dead NPC

>> No.10453954 [DELETED] 

>>10453834
Depends. What race are you? There's jew doctors and nurses that take bets on how many white parents they can convince to abort. So the answer is "higher than actual"
>Inb4 >>>/pol/
Wake up and realize there's a group of people that might have significant reason to hate a group thats much larger than them and so they do it in quiet. Realize some of them truelly believe they're God's chosen people and the rest of us are beasts. The fact they still cry muh 6million means they never got over it. Maybe nor should they. Regardless, they're not hapless idiots.

>>10453888
Irrelevant

>> No.10453960

>>10453954
>There's jew doctors and nurses that take bets on how many white parents they can convince to abort. So the answer is "higher than actual"
>Inb4 >>>/pol/
Lol

>> No.10453963

>>10453948
Doesn't change the argument tho does it. The only adverse effect is we allocate resources into something else. Smog still has an effect on your health and that resource allocation will benefit us all either way.

>> No.10453970

>>10453960
Remaining ignorant to feel good about yourself never benefits you.

>> No.10453976

>>10453970
Epic redpill my friend

>> No.10454204

>>10453074
Earth. Earth is in an ice age. The ice age will end when there are no permanent ice caps.

>> No.10454206

>>10452814
Oh so astronomers are performing experiments on the planets??

#FAEKSPAEC #NASALIES #NIBIRU2020

>> No.10454207

>>10453307
I also suggest General pollution is involved. The rate of diagnosed autism in New Jersey is extremely high in comparison to other states.

>> No.10454211

>>10453399
>Are you sure it has nothing to do with the ever growing vaccine schedule which now injects day 1 old babies and children get up to 50+ vaccines by the age of 6 compared to the 5 given 50 years ago?

Please demonstrate a mechanism by which vaccines could cause autism to magically appear. How does a dead flu virus make your brain fail neural pruning?

>> No.10454213

>>10453022
Who said the world is going to end? Just that climate is going to get more extreme and have big repercussions on human development. Quit strawmanning.

>> No.10454233

>>10453954
>Depends. What race are you? There's jew doctors and nurses that take bets on how many white parents they can convince to abort. So the answer is "higher than actual"

Prove it.

>Wake up and realize there's a group of people that might have significant reason to hate a group thats much larger than them and so they do it in quiet.

Literal conspiracy now. Prove it.

>Realize some of them truelly believe they're God's chosen people and the rest of us are beasts.

Haredi Jews are doing anything but getting jobs as doctors.

>The fact they still cry muh 6million means they never got over it. Maybe nor should they. Regardless, they're not hapless idiots.

No, Haredi are pretty stupid.

>> No.10454273

>>10452814
Modeling. They use the same modeling techniques we use in oil and gas reservoir development and we're murdering that shit.

>> No.10454318

>>10452599

The problem for the autism/vaccination argument is that there is no mechanism and no correllation.

Anti-vaxxers in the news recently are mainly from orthodox religious sects in mini herds.

Mennonites, Huttites, and Orthojews, for example

Anti vaxxers are scum. I'm doubled up on MMR vaccines myself. Feeling great, btw

>> No.10454472

>>10452599
What else would be causing the Earth to be heating up so rapidly?
At least there's a plethora of reasons why autism rates are rising, there is literally no other reason the Earth could be heating up at such a rate other than man made causes

>> No.10454532
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>>10453954
>There's jew doctors and nurses that take bets on how many white parents they can convince to abort.
[citation needed]

>significant reason to hate a group thats much larger than them
[which one?]

>they do it in quiet
"There's no evidence. That proves my point: they're SOOOO good at hiding hings y'know..."
Also that's not coherent with your containment board's worldview. Remember all those totally-not-fake quotes and those totally-not-staged videos where Jews explain their super dark secret Disney villain agenda for the public to see.

>Realize some of them truelly believe they're God's chosen people and the rest of us are beasts.
That's not what the chosen people thing is about. In fact you're describing muh-European-with-blue-eyes-and-blond-hair-who-must-spread-the-word-of-Varg-our-lord-and-savior white supremacists in this sentence.

>they still cry muh 6million
They don't. You just keep reading /pol/'s cherrypicked world vision instead of actually talking to real Jews.

Now back to >>>/pol/ indeed.

>> No.10455156

>>10454211
Considering we already have paid out thousands of cases for brain damage, I think that speaks for itself.