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Consciousness MYSTERY SOLVED. Anonymous Fri Mar 8 18:47:58 2019 No.10449284 [Reply] [Original]

https://www.princeton.edu/~graziano/evolution_of_consciousness_2017.pdf

Anonymous Fri Mar 8 19:14:22 2019 No.10449330

>>10449284
"We are not attempting to explain the content of consciousness, but instead how one gets to be conscious
of that content" that's in the introduction. Which mystery of consciousness are you referring to which was solved here? In my understanding the primary question is with what it is. Not how it got here. But probably how consciousness arises will be important somewhat in answering what it is.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 8 19:44:46 2019 No.10449406 >>10449284 >Consciousness MYSTERY SOLVED. define "consciousness"

Anonymous Fri Mar 8 20:12:53 2019 No.10449495

>>10449330
>"We are not attempting to explain the content of consciousness, but instead how one gets to be conscious of that content"
If you read the carefully, the "content of consciousness" he's referring to is "memories, thoughts, decisions, and sensory perceptions"

An example is an apple. You are aware of an apple. The apple is the content of which you are aware.

It's not a step-by-step way of producing consciousness but gives you an overview of how it works and early experimental results supporting this theory.

If you read the paper you realize what is solved. Especially 3.29.4

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 8 20:15:10 2019 No.10449503 >>10449495 To add, it is step-by-step from a top down perspective but not a bottom up. (You won't be able to go out and create AI tomorrow after reading this)

Anonymous Fri Mar 8 20:56:05 2019 No.10449609

>In today’s information world, there is no mystery about how a machine can have memories, make decisions, process sensory information, contain self-information, and so on.
1 sentence in and already an insane extrapolation. yes a machine can make a """""decision"""" (e.g. solve a minimisation problem with a meme network if necessary). but to recognise the necessity to make a decision is something completely different. in reality all computers decide is saying true or false to a decision a human already has coded in. a computer doesnt recognise the quality of a good or bad.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 8 20:57:45 2019 No.10449617 >>10449284 >evolution_of_consciousness_2017.pdf >2017.pdf

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 8 21:11:04 2019 No.10449658 >>10449609 >all computers decide is saying true or false to a decision a human already has coded in. Implying we aren't biochemical machines with no free will.

Anonymous Fri Mar 8 22:04:58 2019 No.10449753

>>10449609
This paper describes awareness as a highly developed but incomplete attention schema evolved gradually so as to better have control over attention itself (loss of schema/internal model = unstable and degraded ability for control).

It says right there at the end of the paper how humans have additional cognitive and linguistic layers of the brain that allows us to TALK and THINK about the nature of this consciousness

>1 sentence in...
l2read you fucking retard

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 8 22:13:43 2019 No.10449770 >it's just the internal model of attention makes sense to me

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 8 22:15:02 2019 No.10449771 >>10449617 some of today's most prominent ideas about what consciousness is were developed in the 90s and 80s.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 8 22:56:07 2019 No.10449841 Thousands of years of philosophy condensed into a 9 page pdf.

Anonymous Sat Mar 9 01:36:17 2019 No.10450163

Clearly consciousness is an ever-changing probability field which encompasses all other fields. We live in a probability dream. Within it consciousness tricks itself to believe that it is detached from it's infinite whole which is both nothingness and infinity. In other words, this universe is made of pure mathematics with both form and meaning. What you see in front of you and within you is meaning. You can even think of impossible probabilities, such as that of a self-originating consciousness that exists only within a physical brain. Coming back to the nature of pure consciousness, it is without form and so without origin. It just is the source. The source of probability itself.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 9 02:26:48 2019 No.10450266 File: 70 KB, 480x608, 3EFD74C1-CBA9-4071-B87E-DF4104DA3F75.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10449495

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 9 03:01:25 2019 No.10450341 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dkaFgVzzSWI

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 9 03:04:20 2019 No.10450349 >>10450163 Desu I'm into Advaita Vedanta myself but the theory presented in the article makes a ton of sense if you understand it.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 9 03:06:01 2019 No.10450354 >>10450266 Durrrrr we cant KNOW anything but I still have my personal beliefs I'm not willing to change in light of new, more compelling evidence than that which I base my current beliefs on.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 9 03:07:15 2019 No.10450358 >>10450354 I meant to be Larping as you btw, if you couldn't tell.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 9 05:33:46 2019 No.10450588 Read it. Meaningless repetitive word vomit. Sage.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 9 06:23:32 2019 No.10450662 >>10449753 it is a shit paper. it makes giant leaps and assumptions and draws conclusions from that. reductionistic bullcrap

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 9 06:40:50 2019 No.10450684 File: 678 KB, 1200x758, singularity pepe.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10449284 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BBbFuudKAic

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 9 06:42:27 2019 No.10450686 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ui8oEvUwzkc

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 9 07:11:58 2019 No.10450703 >>10449609 >insane extrapolation ..that you did yourself? they didn't do anything of the sort, their sentence is valid

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 9 07:39:35 2019 No.10450741 File: 27 KB, 456x810, 1550814692490.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10450703 >..that you did yourself? they didn't do anything of the sort, their sentence is valid you poor brainlett

Anonymous Sat Mar 9 07:42:16 2019 No.10450744
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>>10449284
>STEMTARDS TRY TO THINK
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GO BACK TO YOUR KEKSHED OF A LAB AND BE A GOOD OBEDIENT SLAVE, ITS ALL YOU CAN DO ANYWAY.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 9 07:42:37 2019 No.10450745 File: 30 KB, 552x630, 9sps1toefok21.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10449284 >It doesn't exist Solved it, where's my Nobel?

Anonymous Sat Mar 9 08:51:06 2019 No.10450865
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>>10450662
What giant leaps? Their paper is supported by examples from medical literature about the link between "awareness" and the ability to control attention deduced from damage to certain areas of the brain. It also gives evidence of evolution of said regions and limits of the conscious experience found in other species (comparative anatomy).

Anonymous Sat Mar 9 09:18:21 2019 No.10450930

Consciousness isn't a mystery.

As long as neuroscience has been around, the general understanding is that's it's caused by a network of neurons sending, storing and receiving impulses, and that this evolved out of organisms that survived via neural-impulse improvement.

What kind of loons don't understand the "mind" is just a synonym for neurological activity, and that neurons are physical.

You do know your brain, when modified, affects your processes, right?

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 9 09:57:53 2019 No.10451026 File: 877 KB, 1100x968, 1527966319846.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10450865 read again what you wrote. if that arent giant leaps then I dont know what is

Anonymous Sat Mar 9 12:44:37 2019 No.10451421

Guys i just got a crazy idea, the humans mostly make the decisions on their survival instincts, like food reproduction water etc, if we put parameter to the AI, for example to make all its decisions based on how it will finds energy to.support itself what it would happen?

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 9 13:51:23 2019 No.10451606 >>10450930 Where is the model you live inside?

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 9 14:09:32 2019 No.10451650 >>10449658 This dude gets it.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 9 14:28:24 2019 No.10451693 >>10449658 Determinism doesn't preclude free will.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 9 14:29:39 2019 No.10451695 >>10449658 are you saying god coded all the decision into us already?

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 9 14:31:41 2019 No.10451699 >>10449658 are you saying that we have all possible decisions hardcoded? and who did that?

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 9 14:34:21 2019 No.10451708 >>10451693 Well, what is your definition of free will? >>10451695 You don't need determinism to not have free will. Even in a world where randomness is a thing, free will can't happen.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 9 14:35:36 2019 No.10451710 >>10451699 Why did you delete your old post talking about god?

Anonymous Sat Mar 9 14:37:04 2019 No.10451715

>>10451708
you are completely the actual issue if we follow your line of thought:
my claim:
>all computers decide is saying true or false to a decision a human already has coded in.
your claim:
>Implying we aren't biochemical machines with no free will.
and thus it follows that we already have all decision hardcoded. what are you saying to this?

>>10451710
because it was a grammatical abomination

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 9 14:39:08 2019 No.10451724 >>10451715 >because it was a grammatical abomination It still is. Can you correct it?

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 9 15:05:51 2019 No.10451796 >>10451708 >Well, what is your definition of free will? Free will means you make your own choices; they aren't forced onto you by external actors or forces.

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