Do we exist?

[Anonymous No.10435024]

I just watched this and I can't get what he's saying out of my head https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8kX62n6yNXA
Basically in the video he goes on about how all our thoughts and actions can be determined that none of them are really ours and we have no control over them. This notion does nothing but give me existential dread. If nothing that I think about or do is actually me then why bother having dreams and ambitions or ever searching for a purpose in life? I feel like a lot of the discoveries that we're making in science about the nature of our mind is all pointing towards the notion that consciousness is just an elaborate illusion and we really have no control over our thoughts and actions.
They try to end the video on an uplifting note by saying that we are self aware and because of that then that's what makes life awesome but that sentiment feels so empty and meaningless when they've spent most of the video explaining that all these thoughts and actions that you get to be aware of aren't even yours.

[Anonymous No.10435032]

>>10435024
Lmao
Imagine being so gullible
Stay stagnant
Anothe

[Anonymous No.10435033]

>hurr durr I don’t exist
Descartes proved that at least (you) exist. Imagine being so stupid that you don’t believe you personally are real

[Anonymous No.10435077]

>>10435033
But what does it mean to exist? What does it mean for something to exist? I already know that inexistence is impossible. But I still don't know what it means to exist.

[Anonymous No.10435084]

>>10435077
go kill yourself and find out

[Anonymous No.10435093]

>>10435084
I already said I know inexistence is impossible. Killing myself won't solve the problem.

[Anonymous No.10435100]

>>10435033
He's not worried about existing, he's worried about having free will.

[Anonymous No.10435101]

>>10435033
But is whatever that makes me who I am even me? Is it all just stuff that the brain is doing on an unconscious level and then tricking me into thinking I thought of it? There was that one study out there that shows when people were hooked up to a fMRI machine and were given the choice to press a button on their left or right whenever they felt like it and it showed that they had already made the decision in an area of their brain before they had even consciously made to decision to push the button. You gotta think about what that sort of shit implicates about the true nature of what we are.

[Anonymous No.10435120]

>>10435101
dude, even if the answer was "yes" to all those questions. Nothing would change.

[Anonymous No.10435136]

>>10435101
>the unconscious mind moves faster than conscious thought
whoa that must mean I’m not really me. so deep...

[Anonymous No.10435156]

>>10435024
everyone is a npc but me in the crazy video game im trapped in.

[Anonymous No.10435183]

>>10435024
I've seen this video so many times. And I already knew all of the things in it before I even watched it for the first time. This guy is smart and I'm glad he's enlightening the NPCs who may as well be talking dogs. But seriously. SERIOUSLY. I don't even know how to finish this sentence. Oh yeah. I think trying to talk to a dog will not cause him to speak.

[Anonymous No.10435195]

>>10435120
Things would change.If it's true that we aren't in control of our actions then there is no point to having a sense of self and having an ambition or drive to do anything.
>>10435136
We can't define ourselves by what our mind does unconsciously and there is evidence that could suggest that all our thoughts and feelings are a product of our subconscious so it raises the question of there being any part of us that we can define as being 'us'

[Anonymous No.10435204]

Go read about Buddhism's Doctrine of Emptiness and non-self (anatman). People were having such thoughts long before modern neurology existed and found ways to continue extracting meaning and fulfillment from life. You just need to accept that some of your assumptions about reality are either unprovable or downright wrong.
Good luck

[Anonymous No.10435213]

>>10435183
He's "enlightening the NPCs" by essentially showing us that we are all npcs doesn't really feel that enlightening at all.

[Anonymous No.10435220]

>>10435204
Thanks. I'll give that a look. Hopefully it will have some answers to the questions that I have.

[Anonymous No.10435229]

>>10435220
It will but probably not the answers you want to hear. Keep an open mind and you might realize that those things you're so afraid of losing aren't as important as you think they are.

[Anonymous No.10435236]

>>10435024
> Do we exist?
*looks at hands*
Yep

[Anonymous No.10435242]

>>10435204
ALL of our assumptions about reality/life are inherently wrong. What the hell is this claptrap?

[Anonymous No.10435255]

>>10435033
>I define myself therefore I am an illogical clod

René Descartes famously said the contrary "I think therefore I am" , but a thing defining itself is a logical fallacy known as "circular reasoning/fallacy of reification". If science and philosophy exist for the sole purpose of learning how to think, then it is painfully obvious that we don't know how to think...yet. You are learning how to think. You are "becoming" that which "is". "Becoming" is not "being". You think therefore you think . You think therefore you search for the answers or do not accept the answers. You think therefore you become therefore you ARE NOT, for if you were then you wouldn't think about it now would you?

I think, therefore I am not.

[Anonymous No.10435256]

>>10435229
Letting go is easy. Anyone with more than two brain cells can do it. You don't need fucking Buddhist teaching to do that. Unless you're a brainlet, I guess.

[Anonymous No.10435265]

>>10435255
wow
good post

[Anonymous No.10435285]

>>10435255
oh it's pasta from steam
i knew it couldn't be original it's too good

[Anonymous No.10435295]

>>10435285
Just don't friend me k?

[Anonymous No.10435323]

>>10435255
>it is painfully obvious that we don't know how to think...yet. You are learning how to think.
What a load of shit. We all think, but we can learn new ideas. No one learns how to think.

[Anonymous No.10435331]

>>10435323
>We all think, but we can learn new ideas

So you didn't know beforehand.

>No one learns how to think.

Rofl maybe you don't, but I sure am not a manbaby.

[Anonymous No.10435578]

>>10435213
What NPCs like you don't understand is that it doesn't MATTER that you're an NPC. Information is coming into your brain. Your brain is making sense of it. Progressively, this results in some kind of result. You need to live for that result, not for "yourself", since "yourself" is illusory anyway.

[Anonymous No.10435634]

>>10435578
>t. NPC

[Anonymous No.10435688]

>>10435024
Depends on your definitions of "we" and "exist."

Personally, I love the video you posted. I watched it twice last year.
A few takeaways. I started looking more into Buddhism after that which I recommend you do.
The video goes to show what people sometimes say as "the self is an illusion."
Your identity doesn't exist inherently as some core self or soul, but at the heart of it YOU are an Awareness without an identity. And that goes for everyone.
If you're looking for more info from here, read Free Will and Waking Up by Sam Harris.

[Anonymous No.10435696]

>>10435204
This. Ironically, I believe in Advaita Vedanta's atman as well.

I like the tongue twister my belief makes up. Anatman atman. (Soul with no self) An awareness with no core identity.

[Anonymous No.10435700]

>>10435256
WRONG.

[Anonymous No.10435728]

>>10435024
>your brain processes language "automatically" therefore none of your thoughts are yours
Yeah most of the video was right but this is a crock of shit. Sure, your unconscious mind might beat your conscious mind to the punch, but that unconscious mind is still "you". Unless you choose to identify only with the contents of your small, conscious mind, in which case I suggest you look into Buddhism and awareness and identifying with something other than the conscious mind. Godspeed anon.

[Anonymous No.10435734]

>>10435688
>Awareness without an identity
And this is what I'm saying. I already knew that without reading a word of what the Buddha taught. If you're smart, you'll figure it out on your own.

[Anonymous No.10435778]

>>10435734
It really depends on the environment you are brought up in.
For me it took a few books on neuroscience and the video OP posted to get it.
For some, they will never see it.
In America especially, your identity is shown to be important (climbing up social ladder, competitions) and advertising creates a false inferiority to convince you buying their product will improve your identity.

[Anonymous No.10436068]

>>10435195
>.If it's true that we aren't in control of our actions then there is no point to having a sense of self and having an ambition or drive to do anything.
the older I get the most I belive we are pre-destine. if we really have free-will it's clearly limited to "life barriers".... so I guess we don't have true (or complete?) free-will. the older I get the more nihilistic I become (nothing REALLY matters) but that doesn't mean I don't have any ambitions to do anything... the things I do I do to "entertain" my existance on this meme world.

[Anonymous No.10436142]

>>10435101
>B: we have no free will
>A: therefore, we don't exist
A does not follow from B, my friend. We could have no free will but still exist and have lives that are worth meaning.

[Anonymous No.10436163]

You are fundamentally put together by the world around you. If you were forever in a sensory deprivation chamber, your neurons wouldn't form any experiential connections. In this sense, the world shapes you. Some people figure out how to shape the world.

[Anonymous No.10436180]

>>10435778
Yes. This post encapsulates the average American identity.

[Anonymous No.10436546]

>>10435195
>there is no point to having a sense of self and having an ambition or drive to do anything.
It's not like you can choose this viewpoint then.

[Anonymous No.10436565]

>>10436142
>d have lives that are worth meaning.
Pls explain the mind bending arguments here.

[Anonymous No.10436775]

>>10435024

[Anonymous No.10436890]

>>10436775
What is Mickeys point here? That by using axioms and presupposing certain things that implies a belief in something metaphysical?

Doesn’t make sense

[Anonymous No.10437449]

this vid is clearly about free will and not about weather you exist or not.

[Anonymous No.10437463]

>>10436163
id say it is a back and forth
we are able to shape the world and the world shapes us

one could also ask where do we start, where does the world end and vice versa. to what extent are we the world?

[Anonymous No.10437486]

>>10437463
This post brings us back full circle. Ultimately, fundamental questions of existence are inscrutable, and I suspect, will always remain so. What should one be asking, then? This only leaves more pragmatic questions. Ones that have been handed to us directly by evolution itself. How do we survive in our environment? How de we survive in this universe, with its particular laws and its particular form? Beyond that, there is not much more we can do.

[Anonymous No.10437511]

>>10436890
>That by using axioms and presupposing certain things that implies a belief in something metaphysical?
I think he's saying that you shouldn't draw metaphysical conclusions ("there is no intrinsic value") from science. He's either arguing for a priori Kantian-ish ethics or Nietzschean transvaluation of values. Considering the last line, I would say the latter.

[Anonymous No.10437560]

>>10437486
your questions raise even more questions.
other than that your questions are built on the possible answers of these existential questions.

like who are we?
Id say these fundamental questions are more important than your ones. I find that the answers to them should be solved on an indivdual level rather than on an universal level though.

[Anonymous No.10437575]

>>10437560
I'd say they are more interesting, but not necessarily more "important". But this requires a definition of the notion of "importance". What is important, anyway?

[Anonymous No.10437577]

>>10435033
Nope, Descartes proof of the self is invalid, this is accepted among philosophy scholars, if he proves anything is that *something* exists.

[Anonymous No.10437583]

>>10437577
That's good enough for me.

[Anonymous No.10437598]

The greatest tragedy of life is not death but the impossibility of its inexistence.

[Anonymous No.10437608]

>>10437486
>>10437560
read
>>10435255
>"Becoming" is not "being". You think therefore you think . You think therefore you search for the answers or do not accept the answers

You are not your beliefs, you are defined by what you DO. Yet "beliefs" can certainly affect what actions you take. In the end though, your actions are completely independent from you. You may think something is going your way, but the environment around you is also composed of other such actions and wills. It can and will throw curve balls in your way and it will force you by necessity to change who you are and what you believe. "Free will" is certainly not "free", it's earned because its nature need to be understood. This is why in every culture there is always a "greater and poorer" paradigm. By necessity, change must occur so a "spectrum" of change.

Some appear to have more "free will" than others and some less. As a whole humanity is just the potential for either of those things to happen. You can "acquire" more "free will" by becoming smarter and understanding how the system works. Utilizing it to do what you want it to do. Or you can be swept away and willed by it, revoking your own will and letting it carry you wherever.

Sorry for the metaphysical rant but this is a question for metaphysics. If reality is indeed an illusion then math and science will only give you the illusion of answers.

[Anonymous No.10437610]

>>10437575
well Id also say that what is imoprtant should be resolved on an idividual level.
I say that they are more important because these question are the fundament and you can build on top of them. The way we think about ourselfs shapes our actions, it helps us define our environment.

you think that questions about survival are more important because you have the other questions figured out to some degree.

[Anonymous No.10437612]

>>10435024
Saint Augustine had these same observations in the 4th century.
Read books 10 to 13 of his Confessions.

[Anonymous No.10437620]

>>10437608
berserkfag finally makes a post that doesnt make me want to claw my eyes out

congrats, it's been a long time coming

[Anonymous No.10437630]

>>10437608
I bet you're physically attractive, too

[Anonymous No.10437646]

>>10437608
for anything what you said to be true youd have to know who you are.

that is why I said it is important to know who you are(or have a concept of yourself). the undestanding of yourself shapes how your percieve the environment, whether it is a true perception or not is out of the matter.

you cant build a house with no fundament

[Anonymous No.10437647]

>>10437608

You don't acquire more free will by becoming "smarter" and "understanding how the system works" just by themselves - That's just technical info.

Getting more free will is about not letting your passions and unruly insincts control you. That's a discipline and practise thing, as well as a technical thing.

Otherwise, you'll be one of those degenerates who uses all of their technical know-how to make fuck-bots or whatever, and that's a technical product of someone enslaved by a passion, not a product of free will.

[Anonymous No.10437650]

>>10437608
The only thing I would change about this post is convert the phrase "free will" to "self-control". Some people have more self-control than others, and therefore are more able to change themselves and the world around them. This is a function of the prefrontal cortex. Some people certainly have a more developed prefrontal cortex than others. As such, it's more a question of biology than metaphysics. From here, you can argue about how much of it is inborn (IQ fags, this is your cue) and how much of it is upbringing and how much stimulation you received during your developmental period, and even how much you stimulation you receive as an adult.

[Anonymous No.10437652]

>>10435024
I’m better than you because I believe in free will. Materialism and atheists btfo

[Anonymous No.10437659]

>>10437608
The only thing I would change about this post is convert the phrase "free will" to "self-control". Some people have more self-control than others, and therefore are more able to change themselves and the world around them. This is a function of the prefrontal cortex. Some people certainly have a more developed prefrontal cortex than others. As such, it's more a question of biology than metaphysics. From here, you can argue about how much of it is inborn (IQ fags, this is your cue) and how much of it is upbringing and how much stimulation you received during your developmental period, and even how much stimulation you receive as an adult.

[Anonymous No.10437662]

>>10437652
Belief in falsehoods can on occasion improve your performance, for sure.

[Anonymous No.10437667]

>>10437662
I know I exist. Therefore, I am. But I don’t know if the universe around me exists. I have no way to prove that

[Anonymous No.10437675]

>>10437667
>I therefore I
nice job presupposing the I there retard

[Anonymous No.10437679]

>>10437667
You certainly can't. But you can bet you will be back here to ask these same questions all over again. The only thing my dying, suffering mother asked of this world on her death bed was, in her words, "I don't want to come back here." I'm sorry mom, but this world is fundamentally a cruel and unyielding place.

[Anonymous No.10437683]

I don’t need to argue with you, P-Zombie. I personally don’t care if you doubt my existence and claim that “I think therefore I am” is meaningless. I’m the only one in this place that I know to have consciousness and free will

[Anonymous No.10437698]

Why are we alive? Simple. Because it is not possible to not be alive.

[Anonymous No.10437699]

>>10437679
What a stupid argument. It’s just like people who say any god can’t exist because the world is unloving

[Anonymous No.10437704]

>>10437699
You have misunderstood the argument. Or perhaps I failed to communicate it correctly. Perhaps both. It is neither good nor bad that we are stuck here forever. It's just a fact.

[Anonymous No.10437710]

>>10437699

[Anonymous No.10437714]

>>10437710
now, time itself is not cyclical, but our experience of it is

[Anonymous No.10437718]

>>10437704
how is this a fact?

[Anonymous No.10437727]

>>10437718
It can't be proved with science, if that's what you're asking.
>so it's bullshit
not really

[Anonymous No.10437733]

>>10435024
lol just try not to think about it

[Anonymous No.10437737]

>>10437727
This is not new. Of coarse it can’t be proven with science. This is exactly why there’s concepts like the hard problem of consciousness.

It’s absolutely hilarious to see small minded disgrunted atheists get upset at problems that question their weak idea of reality

[Anonymous No.10437739]

>>10437718
The closest thing to a "proof" that I can think of is this:
How unlikely is it that you are alive? Look around you. All you can see as far as the eye can see is dead matter and empty space all the way to the edge of the universe. Yet, despite these unlikely odds, you are here. How is that possible? The only reason it could be possible is because of Nietzsche's eternal return or eternal recurrence. That's the only way you can explain your existing in the world.

[Anonymous No.10437742]

>>10437727
in other words we cant be certain.

[Anonymous No.10437753]

>>10437742
Of course you can never be certain of anything. You can only make up your mind about your own reality. And that's why religions exist.

[Anonymous No.10437812]

>>10437647

>Getting more free will is about not letting your passions and unruly insincts control you. That's a discipline and practise thing, as well as a technical thing.

Right, but your "unruly instincts" are inherently part of "the system". By "system" I mean everything including you.

>That's a discipline and practise thing, as well as a technical thing.

right, and you still have to have to understand what it is that needs discipline.

>Otherwise, you'll be one of those degenerates who uses all of their technical know-how to make fuck-bots or whatever, and that's a technical product of someone enslaved by a passion, not a product of free will.

Yes of course, that ties into the last part of my post. Not just "slaves" to something else, but to oneself. You literally become your beliefs, even though it's just an illusion.

>>10437620
It's because metaphysics and physics are the same thing. Go ahead, I can take the hate.

>>10437659
I agree, I just think "will" implies "what you are capable of doing". If you have no self-control then obviously you have no will that is controllable or "free".

[Anonymous No.10437819]

>>10436775
>All knowledge is ultimately based on that which we cannot prove.
He can't prove that tho

[Anonymous No.10437827]

>>10437449
4:30-5:40

[Anonymous No.10437833]

>>10437608
>You can "acquire" more "free will" by becoming smarter and understanding how the system works
Free will is binary. It is either free or is not.
You have will and it can have more or less freedom.

[Anonymous No.10437838]

>>10437667
There is awareness therefore there is something rather than nothing.*
"I think therefore I am" is false.

[Anonymous No.10437841]

>>10437683
>I’m the only one in this place that I know to have consciousness and free will
>being this retarded

[Anonymous No.10437847]

>>10437833
>Free will is binary
"will" is "will" and "more" and "less" are simply qualifiers to "will". An illusion of a duality, it's just "will".

[Anonymous No.10437851]

>>10437841
let him be retarded, its better this way

[Anonymous No.10437857]

>>10435077
>can u pls define existence
I really qish philosophy undergrads would leave

[Anonymous No.10437859]

>>10437667
>>10437838
if you know "YOU" (quote unquote) exist you know SOMETHING exists
and that's all you need to know
if there is something then there is something
there is nothing more you need to know

[Anonymous No.10437875]

>>10437859
>there is nothing more you need to know
I need to know how plumbing works because I don't want to be a poo in loo

[Anonymous No.10437897]

>>10435024
>"If nothing that I think about or do is actually me then why bother having dreams and ambitions or ever searching for a purpose in life?"

So you basically make the DECISION to don't bother having dreams and ambitions or ever searching for a purpose in life because you think that you DECISIONS are a illusion and free will (-in other words the ability to make DECISIONS by your self) doesn't exist.

The decision to think that decisions that were made by yourself doesn't exist is itself a decision by yourself.

[Anonymous No.10437908]

>>10437897
op is too much of a brainlet to even have a glimpse of self awareness. He's a magic hand cuck

[Anonymous No.10437928]

>>10437841
Can I prove otherwise? I don’t know if you have qualia

[Anonymous No.10438001]

>>10437897
Oh you can make decisions all right.
They're not free tho.

>free will (-in other words the ability to make DECISIONS by your self)
You described will. Are you ultimately responsible for them, though? No. Free will is about the cause of these decisions.

You are the product of a unique blend of matter and experience which, interacting, manufactured you.

If you doubt it, what was your part in:
1. Becoming?
2. Your life in the womb, shaping your genetic self?
3. Your time and place of birth?
4. Your genetic inheritance?
5. The mutations in your brain and body throughout life?
6. Your nurture and experiences in infancy and childhood?
7. Your parents, relatives and race; your physical stature, looks, smile and voice; your intelligence, sexual drive and proclivities; your wit, personality; your natural ability in sports, music and dance?
8. Your early life; your religious indoctrination; economic circumstances; cultural influences; political and civil rights; the prevailing customs of your times?
9. The blizzard of experiences throughout life not chosen by you but which happened to you – and changed you?

To the extent you made choices, at the time you made them, they derived from 1 – 9. If not, how can they be from you?

[Anonymous No.10438004]

>>10437928
You do not have free will.
Just conscious awareness.

[Anonymous No.10438007]

>>10438001
*yawn*

They came from the free will of your pro creators.

Next.

[Anonymous No.10438017]

>>10438007
>They came from the free will of your pro creators.
Where did that come from?

[Anonymous No.10438038]

lol go with da flow =DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD ayy lmao aliens are coming watch out bruh..

well since i showed my high intelligence now, i can umm how is this word... leave with dignity!

no but like, wow, wisdom.. god damn wisdom help thy god...

yes, so true... so so true...

help urself wtffffff....

god damn.... help yourself aaaaaa...

so haaaaaard... do it yourself... aaaanooo

anoooo
nooo nooo
noo
so hard...

ok so...

does talking rly help sometimes i wonder =)
it sure does a lot.
what can be said to make it good?
something like: stay cool.

conclusions rly are whack sometimes, doubt is also not that right, oh damn wtf are we even talking about... oh right something about us existing or what...

u know, sometimes people go deep and they become like machines, psychedelic machines,
they are called the wisemen or some shit,
shrooms bruh. but idk about that, jesus christ savior.

but what i mean is,
sometimes understanding comes, and u realize the truth, the understanding comes from some kind of physical state, like if ure meditative, or in trance or whatever, then the realization comes, now sometimes ure just in pain and u cant change it, but what i think, that if u was long time in nature
if u was with trees and river and wind, u might get something out of that.
u might lose the bad pain, and get the good pain,
and after getting the good pain, u might realize it,
but idk, its all weird, like look how ez people live now, but its not about that trust me,
how does genius is born? how does one become one?

that i dont know at all, it just happens, and like...
it is what it is, basically.

u can make rules about it if u want,
but like, rly, go with da flow i suppose,
but damn when its real hard god damn,
when ure in enormous pain god damn,
well, enjoy da ride i guess................................................

[Anonymous No.10438042]

>>10438038
mental pollution is rampant in your head

[Anonymous No.10438051]

>>10438042
thank you,ill read on that now.

[Anonymous No.10438065]

>>10438042
yeah its a serious problem, i dont get it. im just gonna like god damn yeah, keep on god damning, thanks though, maybe u have something more to say about it?

like how to heal it or whatever?

[Anonymous No.10438070]

>>10438065
god dam yea, like heal it or some
ha yea god dam, like sit
like haha yea god dam mannnn.....
Or stuff

Like meditate or dont actually haha damn like god dam yea

[Anonymous No.10438071]

>>10438017
This is a very good question with a very good answer from one of the greatest scientific minds that has ever lived
>Life is nothing but an electron looking for a place to rest
As bizarre at that may sound at first glance, our willings are derived directly from the world we inhabit

[Anonymous No.10438077]

>>10438065
like sometimes you think, wow god dam yea and it comes to u and u realize it is what u thought, so stuff like aaaaaaa man but god dam its there. U know it but u figure out that stuff is a trance, u have a iq but like god dam stuff like STAY COOL u kno man

[Anonymous No.10438081]

>>10435024
>we're not proto-cosmic deities, we're superior animals
wow, who would've thunk it

[Anonymous No.10438085]

>>10438004
Daniel Dennett would say even consciousness is an illusion. But there is still David Chalmers who disagrees. So at the very least, we have consciousness, if not free will.

[Anonymous No.10438090]

>>10438070
hello, i like to talk, i dont care if u listen, i just like talking, about nothing about eveything i dont gie a shit, i just like talking typing that little keyboard of mine, shitposting the whole board with my little idk words and talkings damn its just the best talking with myself with others, i just love it, socializing, connecting all of that, loving, damn its just like wow, like feeling real well here yo, like what was i talking aobut idk. my friend, im not going insane. im just playing a game. a game called go insane. u can trust this little game, just lose ur eyes, forget ur name, forget the world, forget the people, and we ll erect a different steeple, this little game, is fun to do, blabal i forget whats new. goodbye im going babababa P :!!!!!!!

lol love everybody, love!

oops, u know, so its rly wise to be silent,
but 4chan is a place where u can talk freely
cuz we nynmama.

[Anonymous No.10438092]

>>10438085
there is no free will (almost probably)
we (our consciousnesses) are just along for the ride
witnessing events and action along the way
but who are "we" (our consciousnesses) exactly?

[Anonymous No.10438094]

>>10438090
hahaha you got offended! hahahaha

[Anonymous No.10438101]

>>10438094
i dont rly get offended easily, i like ur attitude though, makes u look a little more happy. =D

well, now when u said i got offended, i got a little offended, bcs u think i got offended. that offended me, the only thing.

but i think beyond that is deep insecurity, but i dont want to be mean at u, bcs if i was mean to u, then id be totally offended. so idk my friend, tell me how u feel? or ure just good at talking about other people, tell me, whats up in 3 sentences ?? =DDDDD AYy LMAOO!!! =DDD

[Anonymous No.10438104]

>>10438090
>u
u is a letter, not a word

[Anonymous No.10438106]

>>10438104
>I
I is a vertical line, not the totality of your existence

[Anonymous No.10438107]

>>10438101
Everything gets disordered over time, it's your duty to keep them ordered, disorder is the natural state we revert to

[Anonymous No.10438113]

>>10435024
Well then if you don't try, you've essentially fulfilled your own prophecy. You came to the wrong place, because we couldn't care less if you're a wallflower for the rest of your life.

[Anonymous No.10438116]

>>10438107
But if the entire universe's destiny is to become totally disordered, as far as we can tell, isn't this just a fool's errand?

[Anonymous No.10438125]

>>10438106
so ure saying my existence is not just me. well. now think about it. my existence is not all me. so if this computer is me. if this whole world is me. then theres something more than all of existence? im all, baby. but u dont have to believe, it doesnt make a sense no no no, its just is what is, and thats it.

u prbably meant something cool and psychological, like deep, liek society or whatever, like xmas or idk.

and u is sure a letter, but it also can mean you if u didnt know, i know u know, but ure playing dumb, and idk what ure trying to do with that? are u trying to prove a point? are u trying to make me feel worse? why do u do that my friend, why not enjoy life with me? life is great, come with me, be a hobo and go to the sea.

[Anonymous No.10438133]

>>10438125
I can't believe you're attacking me after I defended you. This is how I know you're just a 5pence troll.

[Anonymous No.10438140]

>>10438116
Life is what you make it.

[Anonymous No.10438141]

>>10438133
He's trying to type all of his thoughts but doesn't realize this disorganized type of thinking is going to lead to a mental disorder one day.

[Anonymous No.10438143]

>>10438133
dude, i rly dont know what is happening, werent u the same dude idk.. u i idk its just letters why not love each other =D?? lmao

sorry folks, ima go now, go and write in my diary or sleep some song.

btw sorry if its bad

[Anonymous No.10438145]

>>10438140
I don't like this answer. It is devoid of meaning.

[Anonymous No.10438167]

>>10438141
ehh... now... buddy.buddy... why get all the guns out? why be so suspicious minded? i know its hard, i know people hurt each other, but u dont have to be like that! u can be better than them, i mean not better, but u can be good,and being good is good, like u feel alright, ur heart is calm, ure feeling fine and all...

sure i am disorganized, yes, idk, im just on top of my head i suppose, or something like that, there is some truth in that of course there is, but its a mean thing to say, and how could u help me havent u thought? u can say whats the problem, but thats ez street my friend, but how to actually heal and fix things? now thats what im trying to do, to fix things, but now when i think about it, whats there to fix? idk, its rly weird, problems and all of that, really really really weird, like what is life wow. so that i dont know. idk what is life. and thats just so weird, like what its supposed to be? what am i supposed to do now? what am i supposed to say to u? are u wrong are u write? what is between those and that? what is going on in this poisition? what is all about it all and that and all of that in all of it? hmm... i dont know... i just want to be good, u know, cuz, i cant be bad, and i cant say that that i cant be bad, bcs it hurts... it hurts to say some things... even if they are reasonable, its not about being reasonable, its bullshit, my friend, its about being helpful and caring, but reasonable too, but maybe none of them, whats it all about, how should one be? how should one exist or something... so im jus gonna choose to meditate, just gonna relax and be cool, i dont know the answer, idk how u should be, idk how i should be, i feel normal now, so im gonna continue feeling normal if i can. so ill just be now. sleeping ...

[Anonymous No.10438169]

>>10438145
it's all subjective. I choose to believe in humanity.

[Anonymous No.10438173]

>>10435033
>Descartes proved
kek

Shows how much of a brainlet you are. Descarte is the goto punching bag in philosophy for his stuff. Modern philosophy have moved on to process based theory of the selfhood. This is inline with modern neuroscience. Also coincidentally, with Buddhist ideology on the self-hood, or rather lack of such.

[Anonymous No.10438178]

What is the right course of action in a world with no meaning? Kant tried to figure it out. It was our last best effort since the Greeks. By all accounts, he failed. The. Nietzsche took it up a notch by saying that future, better beings will figure it out. He may well have been right, but we, living today, have no way of knowing whether he was really right or not. We must bring these higher beings into existence, and that is the only way we (or rather they) will ever have any hope of knowing the answer to this seemingly basic question.

[Anonymous No.10438183]

What is the right course of action in a world with no meaning? Kant tried to figure it out. It was our last best effort since the Greeks. By all accounts, he failed. Then, Nietzsche took it up a notch by saying that future, better beings will figure it out. He may well have been right, but we, living today, have no way of knowing whether he was really right or not. We must bring these higher beings into existence, and that is the only way we (or rather they) will ever have any hope of knowing the answer to this seemingly basic question.

[Anonymous No.10438187]

>>10438167
The obvious solution is to learn how to organize your thoughts. You can't articulate anything clearly, so I can assume in your head you can't do that either, so how will you format your brain to allow yourself to link more complicated ideas and concepts? How will you know what is related to what and how will you know what is true or false? You will learn the hard way how acting aloof and "random" will bite you when you want to do something serious that involves mental work.

[Anonymous No.10438203]

>>10438085
>Daniel Dennett
He'd say consciousness is an illusion but also that we have free will. Go figure.

[Anonymous No.10438211]

>>10438167
If you're under 30 please see a therapist at least one time. It is very possible you might have some hyperactivity disorder or precursor to schizophrenia. There's no shame in it please see one. If something is wrong, the sooner we catch it the better.

[Anonymous No.10438224]

>>10438203
that's why i don't subscribe to his newesletter

[Anonymous No.10438229]

>>10438203
that's why i don't subscribe to his newsletter

[Anonymous No.10438233]

>>10438203
Almost all modern philosophers are determinists, Dennett is so. However he also thinks that somehow thoughts are immune to chain of causation and that that's enough of "free will" because there may still be wiggle room on how thoughts work, but most are certain its just deterministic all the way down.

[Anonymous No.10438240]

>>10438233
In other words, most are compatibilists, which is true. Still doesn't make sense to me.

[Anonymous No.10438286]

>>10438240
When he talks, I feel like he admits we don't have free will then says we do.

[Anonymous No.10438351]

Yeah idk about that
Im a Jung man

[Anonymous No.10438382]

>>10435077
Look into osho and tell me what you learned.

Just google: osho exist

[Anonymous No.10438424]

>>10438286
That's what some hard determinists don't like about compatibilitists. Then compatibilities get mad when people call out on that.

[Anonymous No.10438503]

Look at all these plebs here trying to cope with the fact that they are nothing more than determent energy configuration. The desert saga religion really did a number on philosophy with its autistic "soul" idea.

[Anonymous No.10438512]

>>10438351
I'm a Freud man and I see why he distanced himself from Jung. Freud saw religiosity as a type of mental disorder, akin to OCD in its structure and ritual.

[Anonymous No.10438513]

>>10438382
Osho is a false guru

[Anonymous No.10438544]

>>10438512
>>10438351
https://www.osho.com/iosho/library/read-book/online-library-psychoanalysis-jung-mind-20083eda-92a?p=bf6ea6ea67e56e5af901690a944d101b

[Anonymous No.10438552]

>>10438544
Do yourself a favor and unhypnotize yourself from this dude's stare.

[Anonymous No.10438762]

>>10438512
Yeah pal I read the Ender books, too

[Anonymous No.10438795]

>>10435077
“What is love? What is creation? What is longing? What is a star?”—so asketh the last man and blinketh."

[Anonymous No.10438811]

Metaphysics and ontology aside, do you guys ever get the existential angst? Not a normal type of anxiety, but an extreme intense feeling of dread. The realization that there is no free will, we are ultimately conscious machines. Questioning why space exists, questioning why time exists are so profoundly tense for me if I am in the right mood

[Anonymous No.10438840]

>>10435688
So how do I deal with forever having no identity?

[Anonymous No.10438848]

>>10438840
you read neitzche. You realize truth dosent mean anything. You create a new character and rise from the ashes of your previous character. Basically as soon a second you realize that truth is bs, your mind, thoughts, body, personality become a canvas and you become a living piece of art

[Anonymous No.10439011]

>>10438848
>You realize truth dosent mean anything
Truth let's you build technology and change human society completely, truth is what separates the weak from the masters, the elites are elites because they understand something you don't.

[Anonymous No.10439052]

>>10438840
>how do I deal with forever having no identity?
I just burst out laughing for some reason.

[Anonymous No.10439078]

>>10438169
How do you believe in humanity?

[Anonymous No.10439094]

>>10435024
>you aren't you because you're affected by things outside your control
>you aren't you because your brain is a physical system
explain these fake and gay arguments that I keep hearing

[Anonymous No.10439843]

>>10435024
The gif makes more sense once I watched the Spongebob episode!

[Anonymous No.10439845]

>>10438811
No because self is an illusion.

[Anonymous No.10439848]

>>10438840
>how do I deal
>no identity
Who is dealing with it if there is no self? Think about it for a bit.