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How far are we from building a moon base?

>> No.10433010
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10433010

i imagine everyone driving around the moon base on little scooters like really fat or disabled people on earth because walking on the moon is such a bitch apparently.

>> No.10433036
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10433036

take me to your dinner.

>> No.10433050

>>10433010
No you just change ramp, stair, and ladder proportions to fit with the extra bounce.

>> No.10433063

>>10433005
i guess you could build one. i could only really see it as a location to set up a place where deep space missions are set up for space crafts. better get some good rebreather systems in place and a decent power plant.

>> No.10433077

>>10433005
how far are we and your gay? tough shit you moon fag

>> No.10433087

If we're being serious though, assuming DearMoon performs its manned lunar free return flight in 2023, anywhere in 2024 to 2026.
Bigelow has been waiting in the wings for years, their architecture is ready for lunar surface habs and cargo Starships could easily carry them. Mostly it's a matter of organizing the effort and allocating funding, so a year's delay after a private showcase is sensible as the minimum delay.

>> No.10433136

>>10433087
i know how to save them a crapload of money but it's not like i could ever even talk to those people.

>> No.10433158

>>10433136
>i know how to save them a crapload of money
Care to share?

>> No.10433170

>>10433158
no not really lol. sorry.

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>>10433170
Oh...

>> No.10433254

>>10433005
It's a tough question to ask because 90% of the roadblocks are to do with human motivation to accomplish the task. Most of the technologies already exist or will exist within the next couple years, and if there were more motivation they could be expedited significantly. If people had their acts together we would already be on the moon, moon bases would probably dot the surface of the moon as different countries competed to have the biggest and most impressive extraplanetary outpost. If there were zero motivation we never would have gone to the moon, people would have completely ignored it and never bothered to try.

We're sitting in a limbo where several very rich people and a handful of normalfags are super excited for it and the rest of the planet couldn't give less of a shit if they tried. It's like cutting some vice out of your life, it's something you can do practically with the snap of a finger and sufficient willpower, but something which gets hard to do if you try to drag it out over time.

>> No.10433991

>>10433005
no moon bases anon. i don't want you throwing rocks at me from there

>> No.10434020

LOP-G is going to take good 20-30 years before its built, used, and retired. A moon base could be the next program but it's not very likely.

>> No.10434421

>>10433005
Why would we want one? There's nothing on the moon

>> No.10434456

>>10433005
>How far are we from building a moon base?
we could have done it in 1970
a series of insulated pressurized cylinders burried under a pile of moon dirt with monthly resupply missions isnt exactly a technical challenge

>> No.10434493

>>10434020
LOP-G is supposed to be the hub where you either go to the moon base or onto Mars or asteroids.

>> No.10434602

>>10434493
Before the ISS became "nofun allowed microgravity research only" its proponents promised all kinds of spectacular benefits ranging from orbital fuel depot and assembly dock to full blown factory for the ultimate ball bearing.

The gateway is no hub. It's a toll booth with a hefty price tag. Why would you need it before you can go to the Moon, Mars, or anywhere else, is a good question that will remain unanswered for a long time.

>> No.10434603

>>10433005
20 billion dollars.

>> No.10434942
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>>10434020
Thank God LOP-G is highly unlikely to be the first low lunar orbit station, Bigelow's BA330's are essentially done and waiting only for a vehicle to launch them, and two are already planned to go up in 2020, one for the ISS and the other to be kitted out in 2021 for a mission to insert it into low lunar orbit in 2022. Assuming that it takes two years minimum (after the first one it will probably shorten significantly) by the time the Gateway station is fully assembled in 2026 there could be a private station made up of 3 or more BA330's. This is of course assuming that Bigelow Aerospace limits themselves to launching only a single module a year and spending another whole year outfitting it, I think it could end up being significantly faster if the first mission is a success.

>> No.10434949

about 250k miles ;)

>> No.10434950

>>10433005

384,400 km

>> No.10435528

Would it be feasible to prep the base site with a nuke to turn the regolith into pretty glass?

>> No.10435853

>>10435528
more likely we use the regolith to make a type of cement to shield our settlement from radiation

>> No.10436062

>>10435853
yeah but the regolith is a pain in the ass. neutralizing it where your base is going to be might not be a bad idea

>> No.10436066

>>10436062
>neutralizing it
What do you mean?
You mean trying to keep it out of the base?

>> No.10436154

>>10433087
can the bigelow inflatable things withstand meteorites that hit the moon? or is it mostly the same as what the space station/satellites get hit with on the regular?

>> No.10436511

regolith is the bigbad of the moon. it gets everywhere and erodes everything that has moving parts. nuking the base site beforehand would fuse the ultra fine hyper sharp nastiness into much less problematic material would it not?

>> No.10436751

>>10436511
It would lift a ton of it up where it would float around for ages.

>> No.10436768

>>10434602
Yeah, there's no point in a 'hub' unless it's a gas station, and it's not a gas station unless there's a moon base with a fuel refinery first.

Once that is true, a hub is actually pretty useful, since instead of spending fuel bringing fuel out of Earth's gravity well, you can get it off the moon for cheap. Until then, it's premature.

>> No.10436776

>>10436751
>vacuum of space
>float
pick one

>> No.10436779

>>10433005
About 40 billion dollars from it.
Or 100bilion yuan's (Chinese are cheaper than NASA, well anybody is cheaper).

>> No.10437247

Moon base never.
70s guys knew better and never spent much time on the surface.
What really kills it is it's 28 days rotation period.
If you stay too long, you'll either fry or frost.

>> No.10437261

>>10437247
temperature is cozy and constant several meters underground, also polar colony would have access to solar power all the time due to peaks of eternal light

>> No.10437269

>>10437261
You're gonna tell me digging a base is ez.

>> No.10437275

>>10436776
Maybe he meant that the particles get sent to orbit by the nuke? Then again, the amount of particles that would be sent to orbit is quite small.

>>10437247
Polar bases alleviates the problem. Plus ice from those permanently shaded craters is a nice bonus.

>> No.10437274

>>10437261
Also,
>peaks of eternal light
There's only a handfull, and they're all crater rims.
Not really where you want to land.
Also, visibility will be a real issue.

>> No.10437281

>>10437275
Not really.
Poles aren't flat, in fact they're the most fucked up terrain on the whole moon.