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http://m.nautil.us/issue/18/genius/super_intelligent-humans-are-coming

>We can imagine savant-like capabilities that, in a maximal type, might be present all at once: nearly perfect recall of images and language; super-fast thinking and calculation; powerful geometric visualization, even in higher dimensions; the ability to execute multiple analyses or trains of thought in parallel at the same time; the list goes on. Charlie Gordon, squared.

How do we stop this Chinaman from making this world a reality? I refuse to be a subhuman brainlet surrounded by gods.

>> No.10412170

>>10412165
Once you're dead, you won't care that you're dead.

>> No.10412173

>>10412170
what if i care about what happens after im dead

>> No.10412174

It's the way of the future and your fearful amygdala can't stop it.

>> No.10412177

>>10412173
The problem with this statement is that you are afraid of being inferior (which in all likelihood you already are). This is not caring about a future in which you don't exist, but caring about a present in which you do exist and are inferior.

>> No.10412180

>>10412177
what kind of projection is this? Im mean im all for genetic engineering but dont pretend like this isnt going to get to a point where a large chunk of the overpeople consider the masses psychologically stunnted

>> No.10412182

>>10412180
There won't be any "masses" when this process is finished. You watched too many Gattacas.

>> No.10412185

Do you think these edited people will virtue signal that we're all equal and let us flood their neighborhoods, or will they keep us at a distance?

>> No.10412186

>>10412182
>when this process
nigger we cant even get everyone fucking water, how the hell are we going to generically engineer a fucking higher race

>> No.10412187

>>10412185
/pol/ stay out of this. You have nothing to contribute intellectually

>> No.10412192

>>10412186
I said this already. The people who are not engineered will eventually die off. I don't know when this will happen. I did not give a timeframe. It could be a whole millennium or more. But it will happen eventually.

>> No.10412196

I think we as a society should stop focussing on IQ scores and start focussing on better social ability, because that's actually what we need nowadays

>> No.10412199

>>10412192
>The people who are not engineered will eventually die off
what? you are literally making things up at this point

>> No.10412200

>>10412196
And why do we need that? Only because of high tech making us asocial, which we have never been in our history. Smash all dumbphones. Easy solution.

>> No.10412202

>>10412199
Maybe there will be a few left, scurrying around like the rats they are. But they certainly won't be dominant in any sense.

>> No.10412207

>>10412200
I'd rather be well socialised than smart

>> No.10412210

>>10412207
And not advance any field

>> No.10412212

>>10412207
It's not a binary choice. I know a few people who are both.

>> No.10412215

>>10412202
they will definitely survive, the creation of a higher ruling race would be the best thing for them and all types of humans. they will most likely be a lower class breed, like the difference between upper class whites and low class blacks.

>> No.10412216

>>10412212
I can't speak for myself obviously lol

>> No.10412217

>>10412215
>they will definitely survive
I don't care. Let them survive or not. I really don't care.

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10412226

le ebin elon to the rescue

>> No.10412227

>>10412215
You can't make that comparison.
The difference between an übermensch and a white would be far greater than the difference in your example.

>> No.10412231

>>10412217
you ought too, the epitome of a healthy society depends on the mediocre masses. hyper intelligent socially adjusted, and physiologically strong humans dont matter unless the herd props them up, this has always been the case. The beautiful examples of human excellence have always been roses budding from a field of thorns, notice with the supremacy of modern humans we generate an excess of lower life forms

>> No.10412239

>>10412227
probably, if we go by the orthodox philosophical overman theories, but difference will ultimately manifest in class on a societal level, which is what i was trying to illustrate.

>> No.10412240

>>10412231
I imagine that even superhuman engineered humans will have social stratification. Unless they somehow engineer that away. I mean, social stratification is an internal construct. You could just delete it.

>> No.10412241

>>10412212
At least somebody high in EQ won't commit suicide when they're 16

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10412257

>>10412240
>You could just delete it
sounds like wishful thinking pseudo science

a human being is a herd animal and it always will be, more of your thoughts and actions are driven by subconscious then you know. It almost as if you consciousness is just a witness, not an actor.

>> No.10412270

>>10412257
I'm talking 1000 years in the future. But theoretically, you could.

>> No.10412275

>>10412257
>you consciousness is just a witness, not an actor
And yeah, I wholeheartedly agree with this. Consciousness is just along for the ride

>> No.10412277

>>10412239
So if it was up to you, would you rather keep feeding the brainlets or basically "delete" 95% of the population and have a superior 5% human race left?
Why would we be interested in helping them?
I don't see how they could survive, even as a lower class.
If most of humanity doesn't even care about sharing the planet with other species, I can't imagine why the elite would be kinder towards inferior humans who would be wasting their resources and possibly represent a threat to them.

I could be wrong, but if it was up to me..

>> No.10412278

>>10412165
>nautil.us
Don't do this.

>> No.10412281

>>10412165
https://www.unz.com/akarlin/neural-augs-are-hard/

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10412286

>>10412173
>wanting to be dead

>> No.10412289

>>10412278
I remember when they used to be good. Then the collectors came a-knocking. Now they can't afford the best scientists to write articles for them anymore.

>> No.10412295

>>10412270
bullshit, you can't even delete it in principal. The drive to accumulate, dominate, subordinate, learn, create, exert oneself is present in every thing in the universe. Even when you simply talk to someone/a group of people in a conversation you can observe the sub conscious power dynamic developing, some people are more timid, some more stright forawrd. Some people take on "roles" like the "jokster" or the "pothead". Or the "chad leader". or the "nerd". Those are only the most concrete example of what happens in social enviorments, it is usually much much more subtlety played out. Society itself IS social stratification.

>> No.10412303

>>10412295
The drive to acquire resources is indeed basic. Even bacteria have it. You can't delete that without deleting life itself. But I was thinking that engineered humans would be so advanced that they would be able to find an alternative. So not delete it with no replacement. But delete it and find a better alternative. Like Arthur Clarke's Overmind.
>Society itself IS social stratification.
You are exactly right.

>> No.10412310

>>10412289
They were never good, just another new age popsci initiative by the Templeton Foundation.

>> No.10412321 [DELETED] 

>>10412310
Fucking Templeton Foundation. Why won't religious people stay out of science. At least phys.org and quantamagzine.com are free of christies still.

>> No.10412325

>>10412303
>The drive to acquire resources is indeed basic. Even bacteria have it
im describing an even more fundamental property of the universe, a sort of shopanhuarean/neitzchean will to power that dictates everything. I am essentially observing that it is not the inner will of wanting resource/food/etc that drives an organism seperatley then the will of entering social engagments. I am arguing these drives are fundamentally the same thing. An organism eats, fights, runs not because it fundamentally wants to survive, but because it wants to exert power. A dead organism has no channels of exertion or domination. An animal that is fundamentally content with its biological resources moves on to exert its power in other spheres. In other words, there is fundamentally no way to structure a human situation, that dosent necessarily involve stratifications.

>> No.10412327

>>10412185
>>10412187
Actually it's pretty interesting. I would say intelligence has no bearing on the matter and they could be indoctrinated.

>> No.10412329

>>10412310
Fucking Templeton Foundation. Why won't religious people stay out of science. At least phys.org and quantamagzine.org are free of christies still.

>> No.10412330

>>10412196

Could you imagine how many autists would be upset if genetic engineering for intelligence actually doesn't provide a substantial increase abstract abilities or there was a hard limit?

>> No.10412332

>>10412325
I see. Yeah you're right.
>Life is nothing but an electron looking for a place to rest
According to Albert Szent-Györgyi

>> No.10412337

>>10412325
an organism wants to exert power in order to survive

>> No.10412350

>>10412325
ridiculous. you, like nietzsche, got the cause and effect backwards. the only reason any organism desires to have power is that it wants to survive. not the other way around. i can't imagine how anyone could get such an obvious thing backwards.

>> No.10412356

>>10412337
explain suicide

an organism is a conglomerate of matter and that alone. an organism is the universe self configuring itself through the will to power. Life as we know it, is actually only a special case of the will to power. I am abstracting the idea of biological will to physical will because the theory most elegantly explains the nature of how we form societies and even explains why things like communism and anarchism failed in the past

>> No.10412357

>>10412337
>>10412350
These are only true from a simplistic biological prospective.

>> No.10412369

>>10412356
>an organism is the universe self configuring itself through the will to power
Like I said through Albert Szent-Györgyi's quote, I think what Nietzsche is describing here are natural attractive forces. No one really knows why the forces are configured in the way that they are, to be sure. Not even Einstein did. That's why he invoked an impersonal "god" to explain the laws that govern everything we know of.

>> No.10412370

>>10412350
>the only reason any organism desires to have power is that it wants to survive
there is not a single organism ever that threw up its arms and said "ok im done" when it got enough resources

>> No.10412381

>>10412370
where is the contradiction? resources=survival for any organism. so why would any organism ever stop desiring more resources than it has?

>> No.10412403

>>10412381
thats a hint that it not fundamentally about surviving. It is about exertion of power.

>> No.10412412

>>10412403
that's a wrong hint. survival is blind. nietzsche was both wrong and blind

>> No.10412473

>>10412412
whats the evolutionary purpose of suicide? or cutting yourself? or shooting up a school?

>> No.10412492

>>10412473
Getting attention

>> No.10412501

>>10412492
which is a form of power accumulation

>> No.10412507

>>10412501
Sure, accumulating power when you're dead. Ok.

>> No.10412511

>>10412165
All a bunch of memes. Our actual knowledge of genetics and human biology is practically non-existant, anyone pushing this shit is a huckster trying to get funding for his meme projects.

>> No.10412513

>>10412507
physiologically, a human being that kills them self can excersize its power in nothing of the phenomenal world, it feels overwhelmed. so it over powers its biological drives and derives power, structure, form, from killing itself. This is what suicide is.

>> No.10412517

>>10412513
If power is more important than survival, then perhaps the will for power is a curse.

>> No.10412538

>>10412517
it is not a curse, but it is unsettling and viewed as a curse mostly because our morality is completely based on covering up the essence of this. For example, Christian/Liberal/Enlightenment morality that has been dominant for quite some time is completely based off of pretending like one is superior for denying "primal instincts", killing, hurting, being aggresive etc. But in actuality it is a psychological trick of unprecedented magnitude. We humans have created an ideology in which the less aggresive individuals derive their power from NOT taking part in worldy pleasure and being aggresive. Such a psychological insight immeadtley reveals the mindset of buddihst and chiristian monks...... they are not "moral" for giving up sensual pleasures, their phsyche has simply been moved to a point where they are able to derive self power from giving up everything sensual. They are necessarily this way. All in all, the will to power searches for every dimension of channeling, and wants to be discharged; it is the foundational behavior of life

>> No.10412997

What is the point of existing if we will just be obsolete in a few years?

>> No.10414654

>>10412997
the question implies not being smart means youre obsolete

>> No.10414668

>>10412165
>I can't have it so I want to stop everyone else from having it
What a pussy, trying to stop the progress of humanity because you won't live to benefit from it. What a weak minded faggot you are.

>> No.10414681

>>10412473
>whats the evolutionary purpose of suicide?
It's a side effect. It's an evolutionary spandrel. Read Pinker

>> No.10414687

>>10414681
biological spandrels shouldn't exist if every organisms soul purpose is to survive, your point pre-supposes their is a more general all encompassing theory

>> No.10414691

>>10414687
But they do. Evolution is kinda complicated, not so straightforward as some of the "slogans" make it seem.

>> No.10414697

>>10414691
in other words, biological spandrels are instances of power accumulation, an organisms inner most being sees and chases power, sustenance even when it is detrimental to it biologically