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[Anonymous No.10407990]

Anyone know anything about farming insects as a source of food and protein for humans?

Is it generally more efficient to farm insects or does it run into similar issues to beef?

[Anonymous No.10408004]

>>10407990
cut out the middleman and make protein directly from sunlight or electricity:
solarfoods.fi

[Anonymous No.10408015]

>>10408004
You mean like, plants?

[Anonymous No.10408031]

>>10407990
>more efficient to farm insects
cows: to get 1 kg of protein you have to feed them 10 kg of food
insects: to get 1 kg of protein you have to feed them 1.1 kg of food

[Anonymous No.10408034]

>>10408031
Is this based on theory or practise?

[Anonymous No.10408038]

>>10408031
Just give humans the plants that you would use to feed animals to then feed humans.

[Anonymous No.10408043]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insect_farming#Reduced_feed

[Anonymous No.10408096]

>>10408015
Yeah but cut out the plant middle-man which is the process where plants sustain themselves so that it's even more efficient.

[Anonymous No.10408106]

>>10408096
Most efficient would be cannibalism.
So many problems would be solved at once.

[Anonymous No.10408111]

>>10407990
I wonder where they get their insects from. Are there insect farms?
auch: wo kann man die Teile kaufen? Hab das hier noch in keinem normalen Supermarkt gesehen

[Anonymous No.10408125]

>>10408111
>>10408111
>Are there insect farms?
Yeah. We already do breed a bunch of insects as fodder for animals and pets.

>auch: wo kann man die Teile kaufen? Hab das hier noch in keinem normalen Supermarkt gesehen
Rewe, anscheinend:
https://imgur.com/a/GiH655R

[Anonymous No.10408133]

>>10408015
Bacteria fed with hydrogen produced by solar panels or electricity is a more efficient means of producing protein than photosynthesis.

[Anonymous No.10408137]

>>10407990
more lives extinguished, more moral dilemmas of ending life for sustenance. But life is perhaps less mentally complex as a cow

But in terms of resources used, it is more efficient and some say it'll be a major protein source for the future. That is of course, if we're willing to give up other meat sources in order to build a sustainable ecology of this earth and prevent uncontrolled global warming. Which so far we're not willing to do that.

[Anonymous No.10408146]

>>10408106
We already suffer from underpopulation you uneducated retard.

https://ourworldindata.org/uploads/2013/05/Updated-World-Population-Growth-Rate-Annual-1950-2100.png

[Anonymous No.10408151]

>>10408146
>underpopulation
topkek

wow what a retard you are

[Anonymous No.10408156]

>>10408151
>He doesn't get it

wow what a retard you are

[Anonymous No.10408163]

>>10408151
Everyone in the world stopped fucking due to internet you absolute mongoloid.

India, the middle east and half of Africa has lower population growth than the USA right now.

If we don't do something about it white people will be the only ones alive in the 23rd century. The UN is already campaigning about it and books are being written about the subject but keep acting retarded while spouting overpopulation bullshit from the 1990s while reality is almost the exact opposite.

http://www.rollingalpha.com/2016/12/20/underpopulation-is-the-new-overpopulation/

[Anonymous No.10408229]

>>10408146
>We already suffer from underpopulation you uneducated retard.
How are we "suffering" exactly? That graph you posted is saying that even IF we continue on current trends, the human population will still be growing in 2100.

[Anonymous No.10408234]

>>10408163
>If we don't do something about it white people will be the only ones alive in the 23rd century.

White people have the lowest fertility rate you moron. If anything, black people will be the only ones alive.

[Anonymous No.10408262]

>>10408163
good, the planet can barely sustain our current civilization, it couldn't handle a bigger one

[Anonymous No.10408279]

>>10408262
>the planet can barely sustain our current civilization
Can it actually?

[Anonymous No.10408281]

>>10407990
1 gram of insect protein generates about 1/7th the amount of greenhouse gases compared to 1 gram of beef.
https://phys.org/news/2011-01-cattle-edible-insects-smaller-quantities.html

Insect farming requires dramatically less water.

Insects are also not prone to many diseases that could be dangerous to us, because they're not mammals and too far removed from our physiology.
Much easier to produce clean, hygienic mealworms than clean, hygienic beef, pork or chicken. They're also not exposed to pollution like fish.

I have sampled mealworms and grasshoppers.
Both tasted great but grasshoppers are not very appealing. Mealworms however taste great. In between chicken and potato. I would integrate them into my daily diet if they were cheaper. As of now it's a novelty food, more expensive than regular meat.

Someone should open a kebap stand but with mealworms instead of poultry.

It's the meat of the future.

[Anonymous No.10408287]

Mainstream acceptance will probably require further processing though
People associate worms with spoiled food
You can grind them up and process into burger patties

[Anonymous No.10408292]

>>10408163
>India, the middle east and half of Africa
all have more people than ever

retard

[Anonymous No.10408301]

>>10408281
>Both tasted great but grasshoppers are not very appealing. Mealworms however taste great. In
this is just bullshit, nobody in the 1st world is going to eat insects like that in any large scale.
fucking disgusting
The only way to do it is grind them up into a protein powder, and use that as an ingredient in various normal-looking foods.

[Anonymous No.10408308]

>>10408301
Don't underestimate how culture can change. Something that we find disgusting today can be completely normal in 20 years. There certainly is an economic benefit to eating meal worms.

[Anonymous No.10408312]

>>10408301
>fucking disgusting
How so?
If people eat shrimp and prawn, they can eat worms. Personally I think shrimp are far more disgusting than meal worms.

If you think insects are disgusting, but regular meat is not, consider this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Bovine_diseases

Insect farming however is very easy to get right. They're much simpler organisms and as such not vulnerable to many diseases found in cows, pigs and birds.

I ate insects twice, once at the museum, during an exhibition on sustainability, and once at an upscale restaurant that offered insect dishes.

Don't knock it before you try it.

[Anonymous No.10408314]

>>10408308
this won't change. if shop A sells worms and shop B sells powder, it's only a question of time when shop A goes bankrupt.

[Anonymous No.10408316]

>>10408314
>it's only a question of time when shop A goes bankrupt.
Shop A can sell salted, fried worms as a snack.
Quite tasty. Good alternative to potato flips.

Powder also doesn't go well with salad. You can just sprinkle the worms over your salad.

Try to be more open minded.

[Anonymous No.10408322]

>>10407990
>Is it generally more efficient to farm insects or does it run into similar issues to beef?
It's much harder to milk a million ants than a cow.

[Anonymous No.10408330]

>>10408312
people like you are the biggest hurdle to getting insects mainstream
you just come off as insane
Maybe you're hot shit among your hippie tipi crew, outside of that you have the appeal of a subway fapper with a sprinkle of worm breath

[Anonymous No.10408340]

>>10407990
Just another step in the dehumanization of the elite's adrenochrome and organ farms. If you live in a city, or a suburb of one, you are being actively farmed.

[Anonymous No.10408342]

>>10408034

underrated post

[Anonymous No.10408346]

>>10408330
Maybe pictures of tasty food will convince you.
How can someone on a science board not be intrigued by such an efficient, clean source of protein?

[Anonymous No.10408348]

>>10408342
You are a retard if you think insect farming isn't done already to feed animals.
Google it.

[Anonymous No.10408351]

>>10408346
You are like a pedo showing pictures of children "look how pretty"
fucking revolting

[Anonymous No.10408356]

>insects are disgusting
>this isn't

[Anonymous No.10408369]

>insects trigger right-wing conservative nazis for some reason

[Anonymous No.10408370]

Honestly I'd switch right fucking now if it was competitively priced

[Anonymous No.10408376]

>>10407990
Insect farmer here.
I used to farm mealworms. You can raise them on just about any grain. We used to use a mix of oats and leftovers from the beer industry. It's much more efficient than beef for sure.

Why I quit is because the main ingredients are:
- space
- heat (electricity)
- any grain

Obviously space is expensive in the NL and so is energy. Most bugs therefore get farmed in south asian countries since you need no heating and space is free. There is no competition. Bug farming in Northern countries is useless.

Any bugs you eat come from grimy Asian countries. No regulations. Fed on shit most likely.

[Anonymous No.10408381]

>>10408351
oh, poor baby, doesn't like anything except mac & cheese and chicken tendies.

You're more worthless than the insects, you don't want to eat

[Anonymous No.10408399]

>>10408301
>fucking disgusting
Dude, there is no way they are as disgusting looking as the meat we eat right now. And if people don't care about the stuff we eat now, I doubt they will care about eating insects in the future, especially because people already eat them.

>ew no one is gonna eat this
I bet Brits said the same about chicken tikka masala ages ago.

[Anonymous No.10408400]

>>10408376
What kind of shill are you?

[Anonymous No.10408414]

Lol I'll the Indians, chicks and other subhumans eat all the insects while I get the beef

[Anonymous No.10408420]

>>10408414
>anon died to prion disease shortly after

[Anonymous No.10408442]

>>10408381
no money for you, hippie

[Anonymous No.10408497]

>>10408146
Better economies = better child survival rate = less need for children
Who'd've thunk it

[Anonymous No.10408766]

>>10408146
Wow, Africa has actually made a lot of progress reducing birthrates.

[Anonymous No.10408768]

Flax seed is a pretty need binding agent in baking. You can sample cookie dough without risk of salmonella and it keeps better than eggs.

[Anonymous No.10408788]

>>10407990
>mit soja
Haha I ain’t taking that shit

[Anonymous No.10408795]

>>10407990
>Is it generally more efficient to farm insects or does it run into similar issues to beef?
Look up "Trophic Levels" op.
When you have a foodweb

[Anonymous No.10408802]

>>10408768
It's pretty versatile, when I was an artfag I used flax and linseed oils in place of turpentine to thin out oil paints.