/sci/ - Science & Math

[Anonymous No.10392122]

This is what the first swede looked like. According to /sci/ence. (https://www.svt.se/special/mot-de-forsta-svenskarna/))

What did your ancestors look like?

[Anonymous No.10392122,1]

based

[Anonymous No.10392186]

>>10392122

[Anonymous No.10392188]

>>10392122
My ancestor :)

[Anonymous No.10392194]

Are they for real?

[Anonymous No.10392208]

>>10392194
Tax payed real!

[Anonymous No.10392684]

>>10392194
No, that is just a nigger shopped with blue eyes.
It's true that first europeans were dark skinned and blue eyed though, a race that doesn't exist anymore.

[Anonymous No.10392695]

>>10392684
>No, that is just a nigger shopped with blue eyes.
It's pretty clearly a swedish guy with his face painted black. Guy basically has the same phenotype as Pewdiepie.

[Anonymous No.10392725]

>>10392695
yeah no. look at that flattened monkey nose and massive monkey lips and low IQ brow. This publication is just one more step in the kalergi plan. if you don't know what the kalergi plan is, you're wilfully ignorant

[Anonymous No.10392733]

>>10392725
His nose isn't even flat lmao, it's just wide, and no black person has facial proportions like that. For someone that hates blacks so much you sure are bad at identifying them.

[Anonymous No.10392737]

>>10392122
Why is this news? If the human species originated in eastern Africa then that should be logical, right?

[Anonymous No.10392739]

>>10392733
There is no reason to hate niggers if they just stayed in Africa.

[Anonymous No.10392779]

>>10392733
Black americans look like that.

[Anonymous No.10392787]

>>10392779
Nope, they retain reduced height of the lower third like other west africans, they also have a completely different shape of the orbital rims, brow and nose (notice the deep sellion).

[Anonymous No.10392831]

>>10392695
Those nostrils and lips are very un-swedish

Remember last year when an Uppsala university researcher fabricated evidence that vikings were muslims?

[Anonymous No.10392843]

>>10392831
>fabricated evidence that vikings were muslims?

Considering that the two cultures did mix and were well aware of each other through trade and other activities I would not be surprised if some 'vikings' did actually adopt the Islamic religion and settle in Muslim lands.

[Anonymous No.10392896]

>>10392122
It looks like a fucking Somalian. I’m sure (((they))) aren’t pulling anything funny, considering Somali subhumans are the biggest import into Sweden at the moment.

[Anonymous No.10392921]

>>10392843
To my knowledge, I did I say anything conflicting your statement, which adds very little to the debate. From your argument, we may more reasonably say middle-east or native american peoples were part vikings, than the other case.

What I talked about was the anti-Swedish propaganda in Sweden, backed and funded by the state.

[Anonymous No.10392922]

If humanity developed in the middle east in the cradle of civilization, they probably developed darker skin to suit sun exposure. When man immigrated, it's reasonable to assume skin color didn't change over night, so is it that much controversy that the first Europeans had darker skin?

[Anonymous No.10392931]

>>10392122
Uga booga swede cuck

[Anonymous No.10392936]

Looks pretty Swedish to me.

[Anonymous No.10393607]

>>10392843
irrelevant supposition

[Anonymous No.10394242]

>>10392737
>>10392922
The difference is that the story used to be that blacks came out of africa like 100k years ago, now they claim blacks settled in Sweden only 10k years ago, and white people only became white like 2000 years old.

[Anonymous No.10394282]

>>10392188
Woah look at him go

[Anonymous No.10394306]

>>10392922
The thing is migration to sweden wasnt a tribe going on a hike from kenya to sweden. Groups slowly migrated northwards, and often interbred with people on the way. Very dark skin is found almost exclusively in the tropics, and people seem to develop somewhat light skin (light brown, think south east asian, native american, middle eastern) convergently if they move away from the tropics.

So far the research has shown that some ancient european groups lack the genes associated with pale skin in modern europeans, but there are many other groups that don't have deep black skin but also don't have these genes.

So its more likely that those ancient european hunter gatherers had light brown skin, certainly darker than modern northern europeans but not as dark as africans or papuans.

[Anonymous No.10395367]

>>10392122
I love this series. They push swedes as being black, and talk about how multiracial Sweden was way back, the most diverse country in the stone age with massive immigration from the middle-east 6000 years ago.

While it's not untrue. The way they package it is really saying "there is no such thing as a Swedish ethnicity or culture".

[Anonymous No.10395369]

>>10392725
Kalergi Plan literally doesn’t exist. He never spoke or wrote of it. Fuck off to /pol/ with your batshit conspiracy theories.

[Anonymous No.10395371]

>>10392896
>MUUUUH JJJJOOOOOWS

Fuck off.

[Anonymous No.10395374]

>>10395367
There isn’t. There’s only an arbitrarily defined “Swedish” identity that only goes back so far. If you want to be autistic, all Europeans except for Basque are foreign invaders. Proto-Indo-Europeans are from the steppe.

[Anonymous No.10395386]

>>10392684
they weren’t aryan.

[Anonymous No.10395389]

>>10395386
Aryans, the people that live in Iran, Pakistan, and west India? No, they definitely weren’t in Sweden.

[Anonymous No.10395393]

>>10395389
the original aryans.

[Anonymous No.10395396]

This triggers /pol/

[Anonymous No.10395402]

>>10395396
Falsifying history and science to troll the trumptards

[Anonymous No.10395412]

>>10395402
>Falsifying history and science

Please refute the proposition that a prehistoric human living in Sweden over ten thousand years ago would have been browner than the modern stereotypical Nordic phenotype. You will, right?

[Anonymous No.10395415]

>>10395412
It’s worth noting that every other human shown much more closely resembles a more modern “Swede”. /pol/tards just focus on the one brown guy,

[Anonymous No.10395416]

>>10392122
the first swede was a neanderthal.

[Anonymous No.10395419]

>>10395412
nordic => aryan

[Anonymous No.10395422]

>>10395416
To my knowledge, there’s no evidence of Neanderthals in Scandinavia, only Britain.

>>10395419
I’m not aware of any Nordic people that invaded India two thousand years ago.

[Anonymous No.10395430]

>>10395422
they were called the aryans.

[Anonymous No.10395451]

>>10395412
Why would I? You’re certainly eager for me to make such a bad argument.
Are you going to argue that that the Swedes living during an ice age were as dark as modern day sub-Saharan Africans?
Are you going to argue that such a portrayal was made with scientific accuracy in mind, or concede that it was made with politically leftwing intentions?

[Anonymous No.10395461]

Whites/blacks have a common ancestor, whites aren't literally evolved blacks. Do they understand the implication of pushing that bollocks?

[Anonymous No.10395462]

>>10395451
>Why would I? You’re certainly eager for me to make such a bad argument.

That’s how /pol/tards usually work, yes.

>Are you going to argue that that the Swedes living during an ice age were as dark as modern day sub-Saharan Africans?

Of course not. They were lighter than them but with the various eye shades of Caucasians, like the person pictured by OP.

https://www.nature.com/articles/nature12960

>Are you going to argue that such a portrayal was made with scientific accuracy in mind, or concede that it was made with politically leftwing intentions?

https://www.nature.com/articles/nature12960

It was made with scientific accuracy in mind. If anything, people living in Sweden thousands of years before this person would have been even darker, as the genetics for lighter skin had yet to arrive from Anatolia during this man’s lifetime.

[Anonymous No.10395475]

>>10395462
The person studied also shared the closest genetic similarity with modern Scandinavians, so yes, it’s entirely possible that the “first Swede/person living in Sweden during this interglacial period” was a rather dusky fellow with blue eyes.

[Anonymous No.10395481]

>>10395451
>Are you going to argue that such a portrayal was made with scientific accuracy in mind
Yes, they were darker than modern Europeans and had blue eyes. Of course their phenotype was different, but they obviously couldn't use a white actor with blackface.
There are some clips from the first episode on their website and all later groups are portrayed as light skinned (Eastern Hunter Gatherers, Funnel Beakers).

[Anonymous No.10395487]

>>10395481
No! Grug think this sneak sneak by Big Nose Tribe. They try make people in many moons think Grug not look like snow. Grug smash Big Nose!

[Anonymous No.10395495]

>>10395481
You’d wonder why it’s an issue, since Somalians are very caucasoid.

[Anonymous No.10395505]

>>10392843
I taught my cousin with down syndrome and dyslexia some calculus. He knows the chain rule and can do some rudimentary stuff like find the slope of a line in a mechanical, plug and chug manner. Therefore down syndrome is not an impediment to learning maths, and we should start teaching retards about group representations and differentiable functions on non-Euclidean hypersurfaces. Next week Im gonna teach my cousin about HNN extensions and normal subgroups of non abelian groups of finite order.

[Anonymous No.10395506]

>>10395495

Not him but when you're desperate to disassociate yourself from others you will start using poor arguments.

[Anonymous No.10395515]

It's more accurate than black Hannibal or black English queens.

[Anonymous No.10395542]

>>10392122
The "swedes" had not changed much from the sub saharan africans by that time. It was only later when people migrated to Sweden from modern russia and the middle east when whiter genes came.

[Anonymous No.10395567]

>>10395462
>like the person pictured by OP.
not even close! I do appreciate you including a citation, but it shows a 7000 Spanish hunter with approximately the exact same pigment as you’d expect from a modern day Spaniard. That weakens the argument that a Swede (although 3000 years earlier) would have almost the darkest possible pigment. I get that poltards are the pits but it’s obvious you are acting in bad faith.

[Anonymous No.10395577]

>>10395412
How on earth can it be a black man? Surely the ice retracted so slowly that the pigment of the people below the ice already evolved to being white

[Anonymous No.10395579]

>>10395461
They very much understand the implications and therefore push it it with ever more zeal.

[Anonymous No.10395596]

>>10395577
These people came from the South - Balkans or Spain, probably the former. No one lived in Ice Age Sweden.

[Anonymous No.10395603]

>>10392122
is anthropology already infested by sjws who are using it to push their propaganda? :(

[Anonymous No.10395623]

>>10395603
Thanks to archeogenetics we returned to 19th century migratory theories. We went from peaceful integration and pots not people to holy shit, aryans genocided everyone in Europe and raped their women.

[Anonymous No.10395626]

>>10395567
“Although the precise phenotypic effects cannot currently be ascertained in a European genetic background, results from functional experiments indicate that the allelic combination in this Mesolithic individual is likely to have resulted in dark skin pigmentation and dark/brown hair. ”

Careful with using hypothetical reconstructions.

[Anonymous No.10395638]

my ancestors :3

[Anonymous No.10395639]

>>10395626
Shouldn't the same apply to the swedes whos hypothetical reconstruction is a sub-saharan african?

[Anonymous No.10395646]

>>10395487
I said leftwing not da joooooos!!!1

Also, thinking about why I’m dubious about it in the first place, I read this article recently and since then I’ve been acutely aware of times when people on the left may be trying to solve racism by over-promoting minority groups. Academics are now arguing that dating sites should match people specifically in order promote interracial relationships, not based on preferences.
I’m sure you’ve got a facetious reply about how it doesn’t matter, dating sites can do what they want etc.. doesn’t matter here’s the link to the article in case you’re interested.

http://news.cornell.edu/stories/2018/09/redesign-dating-apps-lessen-racial-bias-study-recommends

[Anonymous No.10395653]

>>10395626

Not him but at least 1/3 of current technology is based on hypothetical models. Yet you seem to have no issue adopting said models and applied tech.

[Anonymous No.10395655]

>>10395646
I doubt a documentary about Neolithic and Bronze Age Scandinavia will be very pro-immigration. Every new wave of people was hostile to the original inhabitants. Then the steppe guys came murdered the men and took their women. This doesn't sound like a pro-refugee propaganda.

[Anonymous No.10395658]

>>10392122
ITT: brainlets

no hsit the first swedes looked like niggers. the first everything looked like niggers. you think we just developed white skin the second we stepped out of africa?

fucking brainlet low IQ snowniggers in this thread

[Anonymous No.10395663]

>>10395658
B and rp

[Anonymous No.10395671]

>>10395639
You mean the kind of Sub-Saharan African that’s over 30% caucasoid? That’s just the ethnicity of the actor, not the person he represents. You won’t find any Somalians with blue eyes, but we do have evidence that prehistoric Europeans had dark skin and blue eyes, which would fit comfortably with what the show represents and what we know about the population history and genetics of prehistoric Sweden.

https://journals.plos.org/plosbiology/article?id=10.1371/journal.pbio.2003703

An initial, darker but still blue-eyed population being replaced by a lighter-skinned and lighter-haired population is exactly what we see in Sweden’s archeological history and exactly what is represented.

[Anonymous No.10395679]

>>10395655
I would doubt that a any coverage for Hannibal of Carthage would be terribly pro immigration either but he was portrayed as black too.

[Anonymous No.10395689]

>>10395671
That's not an actor its a reconstruction. Blue eyes is just a mutation, surely many of them had brown eyes as well.
That man looks like a modern nigerian man with contacts.

[Anonymous No.10395695]

>>10395646
I am unable to understand the issue since I prefer partners of other races almost to exclusion. If doing that creates the mono-race faster, whatever I guess.

[Anonymous No.10395700]

>>10395430
No, the people of Iran were called Aryans

[Anonymous No.10395701]

>>10392122
>What did your ancestors look like?
like a dindu with blue eyes...

[Anonymous No.10395704]

>>10395689
>surely many of them had brown eyes as well
Surprisingly not. The frequency of blue eye alleles in European hunter gatherers is much higher than in modern European populations (more than 90% of them had blue eyes).

[Anonymous No.10395706]

>>10395689
>That's not an actor its a reconstruction. Blue eyes is just a mutation, surely many of them had brown eyes as well.
That man looks like a modern nigerian man with contacts.

What genetic evidence we do have suggests only non-brown eyes even by this time.

[Anonymous No.10395714]

>>10395679
>I would doubt that a any coverage for Hannibal of Carthage would be terribly pro immigration either but he was portrayed as black too.


How is portraying a Carthaginian Warlord as black “pro immigration”? Carthage literally burned babies.

[Anonymous No.10395726]

>>10395695
If you actually are unable to understand then just abstract the terms a bit: race based dating despite preferences. In your case that would be the equivalent of matching you with same-race more often (maybe even exclusively). If it wasn’t exclusively, and, if you lived in a low population area that wouldn’t be an issue, but where potential matches isn’t the limiting factor and available time to use the app is, then it’s taking away actual real opportunities.

[Anonymous No.10395736]

>>10395714
Neither are pro immigration. Idk why you brought the term up in the first place but I decided to just go along with it.
Btw in your opinion why was Hannibal probably portrayed as black?

[Anonymous No.10395743]

>>10395726

Not him but don't use the apps then. I personally don't use dating apps regardless of "convenience" because it's way too easy to start on insincere footing.

[Anonymous No.10395749]

>>10395706

[Anonymous No.10395758]

>>10395743
I brought up the app to bolster the point that leftwing types are aiming to improve racial equity through artificially increased exposure to people of colour, saying “don’t like it don’t use it” doesn’t even begin to address that.

[Anonymous No.10395815]

>>10392188
Oh shit, i think we're related!

[Anonymous No.10395818]

>>10392122
Huh... Look at that.. Despite my very white skin, I seem to have been black all along. Does this mean i can say the n-word in public?

[Anonymous No.10395828]

>>10395700
no. indo-europeans were called aryans.

[Anonymous No.10395830]

>>10395818
Your ancestors killed off these guys. You can apologize and pay reparations.

[Anonymous No.10395859]

>people legitimately believe that white people just suddenly started existing some day

[Anonymous No.10395864]

>>10395859
we were neanderthals.

[Anonymous No.10395872]

>>10395864
no, some of us just fucked neanderthals

[Anonymous No.10395876]

>>10395872
white people came from neanderthals. we are a separate species.

[Anonymous No.10395882]

>>10395876
thats like straight up fucking racist dude, neanderthals were humans too.

[Anonymous No.10395888]

>>10395882
yeah. neanderthals were the first aryans.

[Anonymous No.10395913]

/sci/'s average IQ shows in these kind of threads

[Anonymous No.10395939]

"swedish" people as the identity started to be constructed by was mostly by indo-europeans and corded ware peoples, which were light skinned and fairer haired people. the european hunter-gatherer is often what these sorts of scientific publications try to pin down as "black" or "ethnic" people but the reality is that native european hunter gatherers were only slightly darker (think mediterraneans) and this is in comparison with later migrations. besides this, their features were similar to features you see in european (white) peoples today.

[Anonymous No.10395941]

>>10392122
First Russians

[Anonymous No.10395988]

>>10395369
And US politicia are not israeli puppets either. It's just a coincidence that they gave another 3 billions to Israel in the latest appropriations bill that was meant to fund their own government.

[Anonymous No.10395993]

>>10395988
>coincidence
Cohencidence*

[Anonymous No.10396004]

>>10395941
Ancient Russians were obviously darker so I see nothing wrong with your pic

[Anonymous No.10396009]

>>10395374
Dig deeper.
All species are just arbitrary distinctions of nucleotide arrangements. If you are not autistic about it, you understand that all life in the planet is basically the same.

[Anonymous No.10396020]

>>10395374
Well, the vikings were blond and fair skinned, around Denmark red hair was common. https://en.natmus.dk/historical-knowledge/denmark/prehistoric-period-until-1050-ad/the-viking-age/the-people/appearance/

So the "Swedish" identity goes back at least 1000 years,

[Anonymous No.10396028]

>>10396020
back to the aryans and the neanderthals.

[Anonymous No.10396153]

>>10396020
The vikings were way darker than the scandinavians of today. Also those living in scandinavia today are barely related to the vikings as the vikings left for England, Russia, Turkey etc.

[Anonymous No.10396166]

>>10396153
no they weren’t.

[Anonymous No.10396182]

>>10395882
I guess whites and them have alot of things in common. Both like going extinct.

[Anonymous No.10396215]

>>10396182
the neanderthals live on as aryans.

[Anonymous No.10397418]

>>10396166
Yes, they were. Take your insecurity back to /pol/

[Anonymous No.10397432]

>>10397418
Do you have anything backing your claims up? Are you also claiming that the skin of the people up north has gotten whiter the latest 1000 years..? It hasn't happened that much immigration since then to enable such an effect (and if the whitening of the skin is due to immigration, where did these whiter folk come from?), evolution doesn't work that fast either (and if it did, it would've happened several thousands of years ago anyway).

[Anonymous No.10397451]

>>10397418
Reading OP's article, the scientists propose that a dark-skinned people migrated via Denmark, and a light-skinned people came from Russia.
This happened after the last glacial period, about 11 000 years ago, and the resulting mixed population gradually developed lighter skin.
So perhaps the skin tone has slightly changed over a millenium, but most of the shift would have already taken place by then.

[Anonymous No.10397808]

>litar på svt

de var det första misstaget

[Anonymous No.10397814]

>>10395462

They weren't much darker than present day Europeans, here is a study looking at ancient Europeans from all across Europe (not just Spain like yours, Moshe).

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4918750/?report=reader

>The second strongest signal in our analysis is at the derived allele of rs16891982 in SLC45A2, which contributes to light skin pigmentation and is almost fixed in present-day Europeans but occurred at much lower frequency in ancient populations. In contrast, the derived allele of SLC24A5 that is the other major determinant of light skin pigmentation in modern Europe appears fixed in the Anatolian Neolithic, suggesting that its rapid increase in frequency to around 0.9 in Early Neolithic Europe was mostly due to migration. Another pigmentation signal is at GRM5, where SNPs are associated with pigmentation possibly through a regulatory effect on nearby TYR27. We also find evidence of selection for the derived allele of rs12913832 at HERC2/OCA2, which appears to be fixed in Mesolithic hunter-gatherers, and is the primary determinant of blue eye color in present-day Europeans. In contrast to the other loci, the range of frequencies in modern populations is within that of ancient populations (Fig. 3). The frequency increases with higher latitude, suggesting a complex pattern of environmental selection.

[Anonymous No.10397822]

>>10397814
By they I mean Swedes

[Anonymous No.10397836]

>>10397814
>6500 and 1000 BCE

We’re talking about a person that lived over four thousand years before this.

[Anonymous No.10397855]

>>10397836
Even the mentioned Spanish remains are a whopping two thousand years older than even the oldest remains detaied in https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4918750/?report=reader

The demographic shifts that can occur in TWO THOUSAND YEARS should be obvious.

[Anonymous No.10397867]

>>10397814
>Moshe

Moshe is a Neanderthal skeleton sixty thousand years old from the Levant. What does he have to do with the skin tone of some European populations twelve thousand years ago?

[Anonymous No.10397963]

>>10395481
>they obviously couldn't use a white actor with blackface
That is quite literally what it is though.

[Anonymous No.10397975]

>>10397418
the dark people weren’t vikings.

[Anonymous No.10398008]

>>10392122
didn’t the vikings kill all the goblins?

[Anonymous No.10398011]

>>10392122
they made him a negroid.

[Anonymous No.10398840]

This treasure or Paleoanthropology is the skull of Crô-Magnon 1. It dates back to 30,000 years, yet his features and cranial capacity place him way ahead of most modern Homo sapiens from an evolutionary viewpoint. The more robust constitution and the square jaw of Cro-Magnon is due to a nutrient-dense palaeolithic diet which promotes optimal skeletal mineralisation and bone density.

Cromagnon is related to the White Nordid race and with ethnic groups like the blond Guanches of the Canary Islands (mtDNA U6b1), and is the oldest Homo sapiens of the European continent. Cro-Magnon appears in Europe about 40,000 years ago, during the period known by the Hindus as Krita Yuga or Satya Yuga, equivalent to the Greco-Roman "Golden Age" concept. Its origin is at present clearer: today, no serious palaeoanthropologist asserts that Cro-Magon comes from Africa. The African hypothesis has not a solid foundation because, among other things, during a glaciation, it makes no sense to migrate northwards, where the environmental conditions become harsher, but southwards.

If we look at the skull presented, we will see essentially White Nordid features: dolichocephalism, a not totally vertical forehead, squared jaw, sharp chin and a tall stature. With regards to Cro-Magnon’s broad face and the heftiness of this type when compared to modern White Nordids, there is a simple explanation: Cro-Magnon’s nutrition consisted of fresh products obtained from hunting, fishing and gathering —in other words, he had a hunter-gatherer diet, or paleodiet, which is by far the most complete form of nutrition. This diet, along with a more natural and healthy lifestyle, builds a stronger skeletal consistency, a higher muscular development and a wider face than the later cereal-based diet imported from the Near East during the Neolithic, which tends to blur sexual dimorphism (morphological difference between male and female).

[Anonymous No.10399002]

>>10398840
Neanderthal mutt