IQ

[Anonymous No.10389423]

Is IQ static? As an example, someone is "born with an IQ of 164" and it will stay that way throughout his entire life (assuming no brain damage or anything of the like).

Can someone with a 64 IQ improve his IQ to 164? Where are the limits?
Can someone get dumber by not training or maintaining his "intellect"?

[Anonymous No.10389428]

>>10389423
No you can train iq this is what all the top iq testers did

[Anonymous No.10389433]

>>10389423
Iq is a little bit fluid, but it has boundaries. Practicing IQ tests can also improve your scores on them

[Anonymous No.10389457]

>>10389423
Iq is largely genetic
>>10389433
Aren't you not supposed to do the same iq tests very often for this reason?

[Anonymous No.10389460]

>>10389423
>64 IQ improve his IQ to 164
Sure, he just has to outsmart the people who set the test.

[Anonymous No.10389465]

IQ is quite fluid among children. There was a study that took children who tested with IQs of 80 and put them in poor, middle-class, and rich households. By adulthood the children who grew up in the rich environment had a staggering 20 point increase while the ones in the poor environment had the same IQ score. So education and environment clearly plays a role. Also lifestyle changes like exercising can help increase your cognitive performance (and by extension your iq score). The consensus is that IQ is part genetics and part nurture, so a child with an IQ in the 80s could probably hope to end up average but will never become a genius. And regarding the part about getting dumber, it is possible. Taking drugs can contribute to this, so can missing a lot of school among children.

[Anonymous No.10389473]

>Another IQ thread

[Anonymous No.10389482]

>>10389473
>Another antisemitic, racist, misogynistic, trump-supporting, islamophobic, and transphobic frogposter

[Anonymous No.10389595]

>>10389482
le drumf supporter

[Anonymous No.10389597]

>>10389423
No. I was borned with 63 iq points and now I have 86

[Anonymous No.10389634]

>>10389423
>Can someone with a 64 IQ improve his IQ to 164?
No. If you could they would do it in schools instead of trying to teach <90 IQ kids.
These kids spend most of their lives in school being taught to think and they all stay dumb.

[Anonymous No.10389638]

>>10389457
>Aren't you not supposed to do the same iq tests very often for this reason
All iq tests have the same formula so they basically are all the same. Some tests are harder or easier which just leads to even more variability.

[GenericMage No.10389647]

IQ tests are completely Pseudoscientific, they don't measure any true variables like Aptitude tests or Achievement tests. Intelligence itself is a subjective human notion which usually manifests itself in memory span, attention, problem solving and abstract thinking, but all these can vary depending on who you ask.

[Anonymous No.10389727]

>>10389647
>t. 60 IQ

[Anonymous No.10389754]

>>10389634
I think it’s an attitude issue honestly. The dumb kids don’t work towards being smarter and retaining what they’re taught.

[Anonymous No.10389769]

>>10389473
based

[Anonymous No.10389773]

>>10389423
You're born with a potential range of about a standard deviation.

[Anonymous No.10389812]

>>10389423
IQ is never static, but it flatlines for most people after a certain point
You can increase your IQ on a test by practicing the sort of stuff it asks, but you won't actually be that much more intelligent genetically.
Somebody who has 64 IQ probably has a number of disorders, but even if you don't it's implausible to increase IQ by anywhere near that much using current strategies.
Getting dumber is possible, if you have a particularly bad day or don't eat/sleep it's possible to lose double digits on a test, but having good health will improve consistency.

[Anonymous No.10389834]

IQ STARTS BIG GETS A BIT BIGGER
IQ ONLY GOES DOWN AFTER 18
YOU ARE FUCKED
YOU ARE FUCKED
YOU ARE FUCKED

[Anonymous No.10389904]

>>10389423
IQ varies across the life of the individual. Your brain grows until you're 10 years old, and then it matures until you're 25.

Drugs and not doing sports will age the brain faster, resulting in a drop in IQ. I believe that your intelligence is principally developed by 13 years old, and fully unlocked by 25 years old. It becomes measurable at 20-25 (in a meaningful ways), and remains measurable into old age.

You cannot increase your IQ, but you certainly can decrease it by hurting your head with concussions and drugs. Alzheimers has been described as "Type 3 Diabetes".

The brain does behave like a muscle in certain aspects, not practicing memory games will make you more forgetful in the short term. You cannot become smarter, but you can become faster at tasks (consider physics problems, if you've done 10 of them, you're slow and constantly need to look up formulae, if you've done 10000 of them, you'll know all the tricks by heart).

>>10389433
"Practicing IQ tests" can improve your score by 1-3 points for the serious clinical ones. You're really just practicing test taking skills though. You will not become smarter.

>>10389457
Correct about the genes, the frequency of taking IQ tests doesn't matter.

>>10389465
Proof of this study?

Pic related is a study pioneering a method of predicting the phenotype from genetic information alone. The yellow line is their model, the blue line is the observed phenotypic average. Blue area is the confidence interval.

[Anonymous No.10389911]

>There was a study that took children who tested with IQs of 80 and put them in poor, middle-class, and rich households
Lol, I don't believe this. Link to the study.

[Anonymous No.10389914]

>>10389911
Its possible that they are misrepresenting the conclusion, by not accounting for population differences in intelligence of the children.

[Anonymous No.10389922]

>>10389904
Once every two weeks or so I engage in boxing sparring with my Muay-Thay teacher. Hes a pro fighter who competes in local championships. He takes it easy on me because I'm only starting it now (still hurts quite a bit). How much ass beating can my noggin take without getting Rocky tier slow dumb dumbie ?

[Anonymous No.10389933]

>>10389922
>How much ass beating can my noggin
I am kek irl.

From what I know, if you guys agree not to go for the head (which defeats the point of Muay Thai probably, but I'm not educated on MMA), and you don't fall on your head too often, you shouldn't walk away with serious damage.

If you feel like its causing lasting damage, stop immediately, or look for a martial art that doesn't do your head in.

[Anonymous No.10389945]

>>10389914
the part I'm dubious about is where they allegedly put some kids in poor families just to see what will happen to their IQ

[Anonymous No.10389952]

>>10389945
Might also be misrepresented. Adoption studies look at information after the fact. Afaik no one's had the opportunity to design adoptive environments and implement them for study, however the way adoption works in the real world effectively lets you model it that way. These studies look at who was adopted where, and at any intelligence testing information you can get from the adoptees and the adopters.

I also personally doubt that smart kids got put in dumb households, and that's because adoptive homes skew for high SES.

[Anonymous No.10389966]

>>10389423
no

[Anonymous No.10389977]

>>10389423
>Is IQ static
No. It should be obviously from the its construction.
>Can someone get dumber by not training or maintaining his "intellect"?
Yes.

[Anonymous No.10389997]

>>10389933
>If you feel like its causing lasting damage, stop immediately, or look for a martial art that doesn't do your head in.

What are some signs I can look upon ?

[Anonymous No.10390009]

>>10389997
Just check yourself every once in a while. If you start feeling slower or forgetful, those are your signs.

Its the same approach I took with stopping drinking alcohol. After 3 years of frequent drinking and no tolerance breaks I started noticing that my short term memory went to fuck, and that my apprehension of complex concepts became slow and hampered. That's the point when I stopped the frequent drinking.

[Anonymous No.10390019]

>>10390009
Is there any place for regeneration or are your neural functionings fucked forever ?

[Anonymous No.10390031]

>>10390019
Neuron regeneration isn't well understood. Sometimes they grow, sometimes they don't. Its questionable whether regeneration would work, since its not known whether the brain would incorporate additional neurons into its established thinking networks. The brain is capable of rewiring though to account for damage, and that's mostly what it does, but this is taking functions previously performed in one area of the brain and distributing it elsewhere.

It's possible in the future that stemcell or genetic treatment can trigger full brain regeneration the same way it grows while you're a child.

[Anonymous No.10390257]

>>10389465
soo basically bring around money equals higher iq ?

[Anonymous No.10390279]

>>10389423
>YET ANOTHER IQ THREAD ON /SCI/

[Anonymous No.10390304]

>>10389423
Of course IQ is not static, it can always go down.
The upper bound is 100% genetic tho

[Anonymous No.10390306]

>>10389423
I imagine you have a low IQ when born, then when you grow, by being well nutritionally nourished you can increase it IQ. Genetics and what you started with obviously will be a cap.

[Anonymous No.10390311]

>>10389634
An 50 IQ teacher can't teach 64IQ kids to be smarter. It has to start from someone smarter.

[Anonymous No.10390323]

>>10390031
>>10389997
>>10390009
I think college might've damaged my brain

Cons
>make no friends for 4 years; loneliness
>be VERY sad that my major has no future prospects
>In last two years, almost every weekend I'd drink alcohol alone to the point of getting drunk; only vomited once night

Pros
>mentally challenges myself with courses in calculus and chemistry over 4 years

I'm in sales now, so I don't get the opportunity to challenges myself mentally anymore. But I wonder if I harmed by brain due to being socially isolated for 4 years.

If I did damage myself, how can I recover?

[Anonymous No.10390348]

>>10389754
Woke'd't've

[Anonymous No.10390357]

>>10390323
You didn't cause neuronal damage by not talking to people, you only failed to train your soft skills. Think of it like installing driver software, the hardware is always the same.

Don't drink so much, and challenge yourself again. Study the difficult stuff in your free time for fun.

[Anonymous No.10390364]

>>10390357
But I've been hearing that loneliness can cause damage worse than smoking.

[Anonymous No.10390373]

>>10390364
Source?

[Anonymous No.10390390]

>>10390373
https://www.webmd.com/balance/news/20180504/loneliness-rivals-obesity-smoking-as-health-risk

[Anonymous No.10390884]

>>10390323
dont get why people like u obsess over whether youve harmed your intelligence when you only seem to care for the sake of the label of being smart rather than having something you need to be intelligent for. you havent even said if youve noticed anything bad just that you think you might have so clearly regardless of whether you think youve damaged yourself.

[Anonymous No.10390899]

>>10390884
I'm not afraid of having harmed my "intelligence" per say. I'm afraid of having harmed my brain.

[Anonymous No.10390918]

this thread

[Anonymous No.10391091]

>>10389482
> stereotyping a meme this hard

[Anonymous No.10391346]

>Is IQ static?

No
>Can someone with a 64 IQ improve his IQ to 164?

No, the most reasonable improvement via research is about 8 IQ point increase. This comes from regular consumption of iodine from pregnancy through childhood. Complete lack of iodine during pregnancy through childhood can result in a 12 IQ point decrease.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/15734706/

>Where are the limits?

Genetics and Age
>Can someone get dumber by not training or maintaining his "intellect"?

Illiteracy and gross malnutrition during childhood and adulthood.

[Anonymous No.10392609]

>>10389423
http://www.cell.com/current-biology/abstract/S0960-9822%2811%2901267-X

Pic related.
The posterior hippocampi of average-IQ adult subjects who passed the difficult Knowledge exam for London taxicab drivers showed significant enlargement as opposed to before they began studying for it.
The posterior hippocampus is associated with memory and spatial navigation, both of which are strongly correlated with g. Similar effects were not observed in any of the control group, or in any of those who failed.
This was actually a repeat experiment with a larger sample size (n=88), i.e. the results are predictable and reproducible. You can find the pilot study in the citations. Oh, and all subjects were fully-grown adults age 30+, so their "normal" brain development had already run its course.

This means we have hard, reproducible, undeniable evidence that the brain PHYSICALLY restructures itself in response to focused training, and so it can physically become more capable of performing tasks associated with high IQ. Therefore, you can actually become smarter.

[Anonymous No.10392620]

>>10390918
has nobody taken the time to animate this?
would be worth

[Anonymous No.10392630]

>>10392620
there is an animation of it. I might post it if I find it.

[Anonymous No.10392949]

>>10389465
Can you post the link to the study?

[Anonymous No.10393031]

>>10392609
This is actually true.
The hippocampus thing is sort of a given because it has stem cells that can turn into new neurons even if you are already fully grown, but the part about the brain being able to physically restructure itself is less obvious.
The thing is it can be done, but the amount and more importantly the methodology of work required for this makes it a bit complex to be applied in large scale. This is basically neuroplasticity, and in many cases you will need exercises tailored for you specifically. Also it requires huge personal dedication, beyond the point where most people just give up.
It's not only the will power to do the exercises but to not give into the temptation of going around it. For example. If you have a incredibly hard time understanding a subject from a book, then decide to just get the clif notes from a youtube video, you are already harming the process. In this case you would be stimulating something called "learned disuse" that might keep your reading skills stagnated for the rest of your life. Also if you are just too anxious and go straight to the highly complex stuff that you can't understand, you might not have any improvement at all. The correct way would be doing it as if you are a child learning to walk.

But there is one thing about this that seems to have a genetic foundation. There was a study done with Vietnam veterans who suffered brain damage. Keep in mind that since they were military, their IQ scores were on record. The study found that the most successfull recoveries from brain damage were directly correlated with the highest IQ scores.
This suggests that high IQ people have higher neuroplasticity, which makes learning new things easier.

[Anonymous No.10393073]

>>10390304
>The upper bound is 100% genetic tho

No, you can kill everyone smarter than you and raise it.