/sci/ - Science & Math

[Anonymous No.10367272]

would an interstellar empire that uses ships travelling at subluminal speeds be tenable if the average human lifespan was 5000 or 10000 years?

[Anonymous No.10367288]

>>10367272
due to the lack of a predictive theory of human behavior at large scales this question cannot be answered
/thread

[Anonymous No.10367317]

>>10367288
>humans will go insane if they live to be 5000 years old just trust me bro
not /thread at all

[Anonymous No.10367325]

>>10367317
No. We cannot predict if the empire will be tenable. We cannot currently predict empires. /thread

[Anonymous No.10367327]

>>10367325
ostensibly if humans could develop tech that allows humans to live 5000 years they would also be able to develop tech that allows them to psychologically cope with living 5000 years

btw, you are not allowed to /thread your own posts you stinky redditor scum, therefore your /thread is nullfied THRICE over thus far

[Anonymous No.10367343]

Who says that we all aren't on a thousand-year voyage to a new home right now, and all of this is merely an interconnected simulation for our brains so they wouldn't atrophy in the meanwhile?

[Anonymous No.10367344]

>>10367343
simulations are supposed to be pleasurable

[Anonymous No.10367351]

>>10367327
living for 5000 years isn't the problem here, it's that we cannot predict empires or even general trends in politics. /thread

[Anonymous No.10367355]

>>10367351
we can predict anything we want if we are high iq enough go back to making threads about engineering or something

[Anonymous No.10367367]

Ants are the dominant species on Earth. They hold more biomass than humans. They control more land than humans. They farm, forage, enslave other races, and wage wars.

Ant would have conquered the entire planet if only they didn't fight among themselves. We are like the ants. We could conquer the cosmos, if we didn't fight with ourselves. We could be post-scarsity civilization with flying cars, free health care and education for all, and be living on Mars and the Moon by now, if we didn't fight among ourselves. Humans will never stop fighting each other.

No human civilization is tenable on the long term.

[Anonymous No.10367372]

>>10367344
You'd get bored of that fast, and other parts of the brain might atrophy. It makes more sense to make the simulation dynamic, as to stimulate as much brain activity as possible.

[Anonymous No.10367375]

>>10367367
>Ant would have conquered the entire planet

[Anonymous No.10367377]

>>10367367
>flying cars
Apart from the fact they're a bad idea, and you might aswell just own an autogyro or helicopter.

[Anonymous No.10367387]

>>10367327
>ostensibly
Is the right word in this context:
>... as appears or is stated to be true, though not necessarily so; apparently.
Because that is a non sequitur really, considering the differences in the fields of study that such technology would be drawn one. One is biomedical, the other psychology.
One does not necessarily follow from the other.
That's like saying:
>Well clearly, if we had the technology to develop near instantaneous global communication, we would also have the technology to deal with the resulting health issues, like a rise in heart disease.
But we don't really.

[Anonymous No.10367391]

>>10367272
Depending on how close it is to lightspeed, the time dilation would allow it with current lifespans

[Anonymous No.10367393]

>>10367387
>we can modify your genes to live for 5000 years, but for some reason we can't modify the genes that make up your psychological processes to cope with it
c'mon now

[Anonymous No.10367394]

>>10367372
No I wouldn’t. Just remove the ability to get bored.

[Anonymous No.10367397]

>>10367394
That still doesn't answer:
>It makes more sense to make the simulation dynamic, as to stimulate as much brain activity as possible.
The brain uses different parts of the brain for different types of inputting, encoding; storing and outputting.
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_brain#Function
And even these have "subsystems".

[Anonymous No.10367402]

It's pretty obvious that the only subluminal interstellar empires that exist are robotic ones controlled by some sort of swarm artificial super intelligence. Carbon based life forms only exist as intermediary form of life to breed sentience into silicone via computers and AI.

[Anonymous No.10367403]

>>10367393
Negligible senescence is far less complex than the interplay between genotype, phenotype and enviroment in relation to human cognition.
For instance, we have a pretty good idea what needs to be done in terms of negligible senescence, "engineering it" is the issue. Yet, we hardly even understand human cognition, and have very little idea about how to engineer it, which is why we still use primitive fields like psychoanalysis, rather than connectome scanners, or fMRI.

[Anonymous No.10367404]

>>10367397
Doesn’t matter as long as you remain active. Why even have a meat brain, actually? Become robots and we’ll be good until heat death.

[Anonymous No.10367406]

>>10367402
>swarm artificial super intelligence
Lmao, stop fangirling over AI you faggots, AI is a meme. We haven't even moved past machine learning, they can't even think for themselves, without us training them for certain behavior.

[Anonymous No.10367409]

>>10367404
There isn't really any point in arguing with you, neo/sci/ folk, is there?
The brain becomes damaged when deprived of information.
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brain_in_a_vat

[Anonymous No.10367410]

>>10367406
Your parents trained you, and their parents trained them, and the chain goes all the way back millions of years to homo habilis. Every form of intelligence has to start somewhere anon.

[Anonymous No.10367412]

>>10367404
>>10367409
Also, you can't transfer consciousness, consciousness is just the continuum of sentience.
If you encode those memories into silicon, you break than continuum, it has your memories, but a new consciousness.
And also, that type of tech is further away than negligible senescence.

[Anonymous No.10367418]

>>10367410
No, are aren't tabula rasa. Machine learning is.

[Anonymous No.10367431]

>>10367272
Yes, if the empire spanned only a small number of stars that are close together. Without FTL comms, an empire's reach would be limited to its own solar system or a few close stars if extremely lucky. Its possible that human colonists in the future may be similar to anarcho-capitalist communes, in otherwords, humanity would resemble a vast mosaic of isolated cultures who would periodically trade cultural ideas and luxury goods, in other words, a macro version of a pre-industrial world.

[Anonymous No.10367433]

>>10367431
>FTL comms
Good, because that's physically impossible.

[Anonymous No.10367467]

>>10367272
Subluminal speeds locked empires sound like a huge pain in the ass to maintain if they go too wide, it would be much better to expand inwards into a virtual world with the resources of your solar system and the relatively close stars to your native system.

[Anonymous No.10367516]

>>10367433
agreed

[Anonymous No.10367517]

>>10367467
Could the black spot be a hyper-advanced society who masturbates in virtual space for all eternity?