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So basically mars fucking sucks and we shouldn’t go there?

https://youtu.be/uqKGREZs6-w

>> No.10356344

>>10356338
Yes, let's clean this planet up, minimize our use of resources and preserve what we have down here. We can still work towards colonizing mars, but jesus fucking Christ, let's appreciate what we already fucking have

>> No.10356349

>>10356344
"We" can't do shit (unless you're american, then kindly make everyone collectively an hero). The majority of people making the world go to shit is china and the third world.

>> No.10356352

>>10356349
"We" can't do shit because "you" don't want to. Fuck you.

>> No.10356374

>>10356352
I dont live in any of these countries:
https://www.ecowatch.com/these-5-countries-account-for-60-of-plastic-pollution-in-oceans-1882107531.html

or even these:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_carbon_dioxide_emissions

So kindly go fuck yourself. There's literally nothing I can do even if i wanted to. Stop being delusional.

>> No.10356381

>>10356374
>There's literally nothing I can do
>literally
Don't use that fucking word like an over-emotional spaz. There is a lot you can do. But i'm barely one to judge. I just keep my living standard low and try not to use much electricity or natural gas.

>> No.10356388

>>10356381
>>10356374
>>10356352
>>10356349
Nobody who gives a shit about the environment would waste electricity posting here

>> No.10356401

>>10356388
I only give enough of a shit about the environment to use enough electricity to cook food, have a bit of lighting, and communicate with people in the world on 4chan.

>> No.10356419

>>10356381
Oh like what, recycling? Not having a child? Taking the bus? Nothing of that sort of shit has even the slightest impact. The biggest help to global environment would be to let the top 1% live on, and let the rest die out from some magical plague.

>> No.10356422

>>10356419
You sound like an angsty depressed spoiled little brat. Shut the fuck up.

>> No.10356426

>>10356422
>You sound like an angsty depressed spoiled little brat. Shut the fuck up.

>> No.10356431

>>10356426
>I know you are but what am I
now i'm exchanging blows with a full blown toddler. fucking awesome

>> No.10356437

>>10356431
>>I know you are but what am I
>now i'm exchanging blows with a full blown toddler. fucking awesome

>> No.10356444

>>10356437
yep, the next thing you post will be the end of this dialogue.

>> No.10356446

>>10356444
>yep, the next thing you post will be the end of this dialogue.

>> No.10356449

Climate cuckery in a nutshell

>> No.10356487
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10356487

>>10356338
actually the conclusion is:
Moon colony first!

>> No.10356489

>>10356422
And you sound like you're out of arguments. Enjoy your life in denial though, the planet is going to shit and there's nothing you can do about it and none of it is your fault so no amount of self guilt is going to save you since it's all really a overconsumption-/overpopulation problem caused by the capitalist marketingforce in USA, which in turn feed the entire economy and makes the world spin. Either become A. A climate denier or B. Apathetic.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem

>> No.10356495
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10356495

>>10356338

>> No.10356499

>>10356349
>china

Guess who is paying them by move all factories and shit there...

>> No.10356513

people ruining the planet is just flat out retarded

>> No.10356520

>>10356489
i'm not out of arguments, i'm just have no desire to conjure up more than 1. lower your living standard to whatever you find comfortable and hope others do the same.

>> No.10356521

>>10356513
i mean they know that they are fucking up the planet so they have it coming

>> No.10356526

89% of the planet are retarded

>> No.10356530

>>10356489
And i'm not in denial. I enjoy the anti-natalist/efilism perspective. What i don't like is the whiny bitch woe is me the world is harsh let's not even try aspect of it. Do what you can. Or be a whiny little bitch like you. Whatever.

>> No.10356535

>>10356489
you're using that wrong. insulting someone is not an ad hominem
>you're a brat
>you're wrong because you're a brat
only one of these is an ad hominem

>> No.10356542

i love how people are ruining the planet like they can just travel to another one in a snap

>> No.10356547

if we go to another planet abandon the mentally retarded because they are just extra weight

>> No.10356554

people will nuke the planet because they are stupid

>> No.10356556

>>10356530
You've yet to tell me what I can do.

>> No.10356562

>>10356344
Spacex is a private company and they just want profits. Space exploration is gonna be a huge market and that's the only fucking reason why that stupid lucky melon musk bastard is doing it.

>> No.10356563

>>10356535
>"Ad hominem (Latin for "to the person"[1]), short for argumentum ad hominem, is a fallacious argumentative strategy whereby genuine discussion of the topic at hand is avoided by instead attacking the character, motive, or other attribute of the person making the argument, or persons associated with the argument, rather than attacking the substance of the argument itself."

>> No.10356566

>>10356556
>>10356530
Enough flirting, why don't you both just fuck already?

>> No.10356567

>>10356556
No I didn't, but i'll repeat it anyway.

Lower your living standard to whatever you find comfortable. Limit your use of electricity and non-renewable resources. Hope others do the same. You don't have to get crazy with it.

>> No.10356570

>>10356566
i'm not really sexually active, unless masturbating makes you sexually active.

>> No.10356581

>>10356374
You're retarded if you talk about how much pollution per " country " and not look at their population density. I mean .. the whole "country- pollution" shit is retarded, divide it into square units, measure the average population density, then talk about pollution.

>> No.10356584

>>10356570
well maybe you can jerk each other off in private, at least

>> No.10356594

>>10356567
This does nothing at all but to pat yourself on your back in order to lower your climate anxiety. My people don't even produce one per mille of neither plastic nor climate gasses and the countries who does don't give a fuck about what we do. Do I care? Not really. I'm not the one who'd going to die from any causes climate change may have anyway. I'm just stating reality and are so sick of people changing their lifestyles as if it were a religion in their own country when there's nothing they can do.

Let the third world + America consume their way to floods and catastrophes for all i care. They don't contribute to much anyway. Bummer about ocean life i guess, but the earth will recover, it always has.

>> No.10356747

>>10356594
I have no climate anxiety. I don't see the danger in the global temperature increasing. But I would like to see nature be preserved and allowed to flourish.

>> No.10356761

>>10356747
Yeah, okay, so how do you stop all the plastics being thrown into the ocean by developing countries? They're destroying the oceans completely, from the plankton and up.

>> No.10356768

Those people are excellent example as to why going to Mars (and elsewhere) is a good idea.

>> No.10356779

>>10356761
It is the developed world that is to blame for climate change. Developing countries are actually fighting climate while growing unlike the western industrial powers who polluted the environment without care.

>> No.10356791

>>10356563
yes, thanks for supporting my post. if you say "I'm right because i'm attacking you", that's an ad hominem. if you just attack the opponent and aren't using that to support an argument, that's just being rude, not an ad hominem.

>> No.10356803

>>10356761
shit I can't control what other people do. some dutch guys supposedly invented a machine that can clean up the bottles within 10 or 20 years though. that's pretty cool.

>> No.10356899

>>10356338
>- You can't cross those mountains, it's impossible!
>- You can't sail accross the sea, it's impossible!
>- Humans can't fly, it's impossible!
>History repeats itself. Now, we can't colonize other planets - it's impossible!
Why are youtube comments so cringy?
The entire comment section just reeks of "SCIENCE!!!"

>> No.10356911

>>10356791
We were talking about climate change when he decided to not answer the arguments i put forth by instead calling me a brat. "whereby genuine discussion of the topic at hand is avoided by instead attacking the character, motive, or other attribute of the person making the argument"

Are you trolling me or are you lacking basic reading comprehension, alternatively deductive ability?

>> No.10356936

>>10356344
This. We colonize other worlds not to escape Earth, but to make more Earths, because Earth is great.

>> No.10356963

>>10356899
They're not wrong; what's wrong with the plebs being excited?

>> No.10356997

>>10356963
I firmly believe not everything is possible.
Colonizing Mars, for all the reasons evocated in the videos and more, will be nothing much but a pipe dream with no return on investment.
In fact, once we realize how futile it is to try to tame Mars, we'll definitely leave it forever, and maybe I hope relocalize our dreams into living among asteroids in the asteroid belts. In spining habitats. Shielded from radiation with hard asteroid shells. Mining precious materials.
Lets face it, living on Mars would be a terrible experience for any sane person and would bring nothing of value.
Just let the robots colonize it once our cybernetic overlord take the lead.

>> No.10357021

>>10356899
Personal benefit by fitting in and rallying against something foreign to them.

>> No.10357023

>>10356997
>mars tourism will be no return investment

yeah sure buddy

>> No.10357053

>>10356997
>Mars is impossible
>Muh gorrilion dollar oneill cylinders are not

Ok buddy.

>> No.10357067

>>10357053
>>10357023
Buddy buddy buddy buddy
You know what?
Ok buddy.

>> No.10357074

>>10357053
Building reasonably sized Oneill cylinders are much more feasable than having to deal with Mars gravity whenever you want to add or take something from there.
And you can just carve a station within an asteroid.
Boom, maximum comfy achieved.

>> No.10357077

>>10356344
Libtard

>> No.10357079

>>10357077
wrong i side with republicans on most shit but i'm still a nature faggotboy

>> No.10357082

>>10357074
>having to deal with Mars gravity

Pure speculation, get back to us on the effects of Martian gravity when we have literally any data sets whatsoever. Micro g is not an argument.

>> No.10357109

>>10357082
>get back to us on the effects of Martian gravity when we have literally any data sets whatsoever.
Maybe I phrased it the wrong way but what I meant to say is that you need to fight gravity to land things on Mars and launch stuff from it.
Space stations do not have this major inconvenient.
>Micro g is not an argument.
It is actually an argument, whether or not you like it.
From this perspective, mining the asteroid belt is a lot more worthwhile than mining Mars.

If humans ever tried to expand into space, colonizing the asteroid belt would be one of the first thing to do on the checklist instead of wasting time fighting against all the problems you would encountered on Mars.

>> No.10357162

>>10357074
>And you can just carve a station within an asteroid.

Not if you want artificial gravity.

>> No.10357173

>>10357079
>I want to pay less
>I also want to have the benefits of paying more
you and everyone else pal how does it feel to have the political opinion of a 15 year old

>> No.10357182

>>10357162
>Not if you want artificial gravity.
Just spin the asteroid around one axis.

>> No.10357186

>>10357182
It will fly apart long before you get any fraction of a g. The Expanse lied to you.

>> No.10357189

>>10357186
>It will fly apart
How so?

>> No.10357192

>>10356338
Send autonomous drones to begin constructing the first settlement on Mars then send in humans centuries later to live on them.

>> No.10357195

>>10357189
Asteroids and rock in general is very weak in tension. Maybe if your asteroid is a solid piece of metal it could work. Definitely not with any other type.

>> No.10357196

>>10357192
why even bring them at this point.
ah yes, the "wouhou we did it!" factor. Totaly forgot about that one

>> No.10357199

>>10357196
To live on the planet thats the entire reason the drones were sent to the rock in the first place.

>> No.10357203

>>10357162
>>10357182
>>10357186
>imbed cylinder within the asteroid
>spin that instead of the asteroid
>grabity get
Basic problem solving skills motherfucker, do you have them

>> No.10357206

>>10357189
>>10357195
Also many asteroids are not one solid mass. Many are conglomerates of gigantic boulders.

>> No.10357208

>>10357199
who on earth would even want to live on mars.
you'd get suicidal in a matter of months.

>> No.10357209

>>10357203
This motherfucker gets it!

>> No.10357210

Science fiction always portrays advanced races as being organic when in reality any race that wants to live allover the cosmos must ditch their evolutionary meatsuits in favor of something inorganic. The problem is not Mars the problem is humans, we are squishy chemical computers trying to exist outside of our limited element.

>> No.10357219

>>10357203
And the advantage over simply orbiting the asteroid is?

>> No.10357223
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10357223

>>10356349
>yeah but china china china china china, might as well stop trying

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10357231

>>10357206
>>10357189
>>10357195
That is why you need to make some sort of support structure to held it together. Something akin to spraying it with truck bed liner then covering it with metal netting. lol

>> No.10357233

Well, the sit-rep is we don't even know how to survive in Earth orbit without a food delivery service and trash pickup service right around the corner, we wouldn't know how to survive extended stays on the Moon, so why on Earth should we - at our current state of technological and human development - expect to be able to survive going to Mars?

>> No.10357234

>>10357203
>Just like build a gorillion tonne oneill cylinder bro
>How are you powering it
>Lmao just use fusion bro
>Where are you getting your organic material from
>Lmao just like import it from Titan bro

>> No.10357238

>>10357231
>Gorillion tonnes of gravel and ice trying to shred itself apart
>Bro, just like, wrap it in a net lmao

>> No.10357240

>>10357233
There's no dedicated space station colony trying to eventually be self-sufficient.

>>10357238
No, you rip it apart first.

>> No.10357249

>>10357240
>There's no dedicated space station colony trying to eventually be self-sufficient.
That's because you try to find out whether it's possible BEFORE attempting it. And guess what scientific experiments on Earth and on the ISS are trying to do. Colonizing Mars isn't exactly like steering a sailing ship towards the Americas in the 16th century, you don't just send a ship there and see how it goes.

>> No.10357250

>>10357240
>Pull apart a gorillion tonnes of asteroid and put it back together
>How?
>Idk like robots bro lmao

>> No.10357266

>>10356487
Based

>> No.10357283

>>10357173
I don't understand where you're pulling this shit from. I'm fine with the price of everything.

>> No.10357314

>>10357249
>And guess what scientific experiments on Earth and on the ISS are trying to do

Grant farming, that is all.

>> No.10357320
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10357320

>>10357250
Blue collar wagies and their space unions.

>> No.10357329

>>10357283
You'r replying to a chat bot.

>> No.10357362

>>10357234
You forget how massive asteroids are
They may be small compared to moons and planets, but several hundred cubic meters is still a lot of material
Add in the fact that asteroids include most of the peroidic table, and finding the needed material is less of an issue
Also, solar power works great in space out all the way to jupiter

>> No.10357369

>>10356349
>The majority of people making the world go to shit is china and the third world.
Global White Eco-Juche is only way to save the Earth.

>> No.10357383

>>10357320
WE GON RISE UP

>> No.10357522

>>10356761
>>10356779
The greatest per capita polluters have the greatest capacity for improvement.

>> No.10357541

>>10356936
We still have to leave at some point, because earth is going to be rendered uninhabitable one way or another no matter what we do, and the sooner we work to get off, the more likely we'll be somewhere else when it happens.

>> No.10357558

>>10357541
Certainly.

>> No.10357713

>>10357329
OH SHI-

>> No.10357729

>>10356344
we're dooooomed
too much game theory going on

>> No.10358703

>>10357208
You'd get suicidal on the way there.

>> No.10358761

Two things about that video: 1. A centrifugal habitat for artificial gravity like shown isnt possible on Mars, because the floor would need to be angled and thus you wouldnt have the same force throughout. For this effect to be unnoticeable they would need to be hundreds of miles big 2. Terraforming Mars is only possible if you masa-import greenhouse gases from the asteroid belt plus keep a giant artificial magnet field alive. At this point, it will probably be easier to just take mars and push it to an orbit much closer to the sun.

What im trying to say is, comfortable life on Mars will never be possible. Colonialists would forever live like molepeople.

>> No.10358785

>>10357362
Why not colonise asteroids instead?

>> No.10358788
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10358788

>>10356338
The moon is a better option in all respects for our first colonisation:
>closest celestial body- quick travel time for both objects and communications
>low gravity, easy to land on
>easy to launch from, could serve as launch point for colonisation missions to other bodies
>no atmosphere, great for solar power, and no wind to kick dust all over the panels
>dirt composition similar to earth materials, may be possible to turn it into fertile soil
There are probably a hundred other reasons but yeah, that video is right, Mars would be a massive pain to settle and without much benefit

>> No.10358794

>>10358788
Capitalists will deface the moon. How long until you see a massive burger M on the moon?

>> No.10358823

>>10358794
Hopefully soon

>> No.10358829

>>10356338
>kurtzgefilte
don't forget to vote for Hillary like we explained in our democracy explainer

>> No.10358833
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10358833

>>10358829
>>10356338
Remember diversity means BLACK male and WH*TE female.

>> No.10359348

>>10358833
Dum triggered newfag.

Show me a statistically significant trend within this specific YouTube channel, else your post is irredeemably off-topic and a blatant attempt at derailment.

>> No.10359358

>>10359348
the chances of this being an unintentional exception or statistical anomaly are not very high

>> No.10359362

>>10358833
That's an Indian male and a middle eastern female brainlet.

>> No.10359481

>>10359348
>he pretends most depictions of interracial relationships in the media are not black-male white-female
Wew lad.

>> No.10359492

>>10359481
I think your confirmation bias is showing.

>> No.10359503

>>10356338
1. The moons of saturn and jupiter are much more promising for subterranean colonies.
2. Proxima Centauri and Alpha centauri are much more promising.
3. We could make floating cities in the gas giants that focus on resource extraction.
4. elon musk is retarded

>> No.10359588

>>10359492
As is yours

>> No.10359873

>>10359503
>1. The moons of saturn and jupiter are much more promising for subterranean colonies.
Perhaps, I wouldn't know
>2. Proxima Centauri and Alpha centauri are much more promising.
It is stupid to travel light years away before we settle our own solar system, and how do you know they are more "promising"?
>3. We could make floating cities in the gas giants that focus on resource extraction.
The gravity of gas giants would actually mean that floating cities would be harder to build there than on Earth or Mars. We may as well build orbital stations instead.
>4. elon musk is retarded
Yeah but at least he's trying to get us to do some shit in space. NASA have become useless and without imagination

>> No.10359888

>>10359873
doesn't the gravity of Saturn have less acceleration than the gravity of Earth? I just looked it up, cloud-tops are 10.4 m/sec2, so only barely more than earth

>> No.10359893

>>10356338
pretty much all of space is dead and inhabitable so no wonder mars also sucks. but the point is to overcome theoretically impossible conditions with supreme technology

>> No.10359917

>>10356338
i would rather be stuck in the trenches of verdun than to listen to this fucker with his mind grating accent

>> No.10359935

>>10359888
Huh, I guess I never knew that. Saturn does indeed more gravity but at any one spot it is lower than Earth due to lower density. Perhaps that could work then.

>> No.10359936

>>10359935
no bro, at the cloud-tops Saturn has more gravity than Earth, but not by much

>> No.10359952

>>10359873
>NASA have become useless and without imagination

NASA is the only reason SpaceX exists. They also are putting JWST into space and put Curiosity on Mars.

>> No.10360157

10359952
Low effort bait

>> No.10360370

>>10356419
>not having children
If you don't plan on having kids just go ahead and kill yourself while you are young that way you don't have to depend on the tax payer in your old age rather than your kids

>> No.10360386

>>10360157
But it's literally true. SpaceX was the winner of the NASA COTS-programme and it is putting the JWST into space, which will be the most important scientific achievement for astrophysics in this millenia so far.

>> No.10360523

>>10359358
Null hypothesis, nigga.

>> No.10360536

>>10356344
One day we're going to need more than this planet, and we also need to not put all of our eggs in one basket, in case of shit like an impact event.