Race is(nt) a social construct

[Anonymous No.10332336]

So im hearing so many people saying that theres no difference between a white man and a black man or an Asian etc....
now im here are some clearly provable things:

First of all their phenotype clearly differs.

Secondly different races have different muscle fiber compositions, different joint lengths and muscle insertions. Its especially visible between blacks and non-blacks... Blacks always winning medals in every running sport, while non-blacks are superior in lifting etc...

Different red and white blood cell distribution.

Different gene expressions for fat metabolism.

Hell Blacks and non-blacks even do have different medicine.

There are also other, unprovable differences like IQ or different causes of death on average for given race that may or may not be created by their lifestyle.

I dont believe that you can tell that someone is of one race, but i do believe that its a gradient which you could observe on the percentage of autosomal DNA.

Dogs were domesticated just some 10 000 years ago now there are several different races... Wouldnt it be plausible to believe that if we migrated out of Africa 70 000 years ago that we split into different races ?

Just because someone is better at x doesnt mean that you are inferior... because you're better at y. People 100 years ago were nazis who treated people in their colonies like dirt, however that shouldnt mean that race is a derogative term... I dont want to be too political however. Also ancestral populations of various races could be taxonomically classified to some extent. E.G ancient northern eurasians or early neolithic farmers.

[Anonymous No.10332344]

>>10332336
Yeah sure let's talk about race instead of the AIs that get 120 IQ on their IQ tests. AI can replicate themselves and defeat humans at everything but let's waste time on race instead of combatting the apocalypse that is machine learning. You /poltards want the world to end

[Anonymous No.10332347]

>>10332336
Race is a social construct by definition, a social construct is a way to divide reality into categories to facilitate its description, but it doesn't mean that niggers are equal to whites in terms of IQ or that IQ differences are not caused primarily by genes.

[Anonymous No.10332350]

>>10332336
yes, mate, we know this. Posting this on /sci/ is just preaching to the choir

[Anonymous No.10332355]

>>10332344
>t. popsci faggot with no understanding of AI / ML

[Anonymous No.10332369]

>>10332344
How the fuck is machine learning apocalypse? Will your ego be hurt if you work less and there would be some superior intelligence?

[Anonymous No.10332378]

>>10332344
AI isnt that super bright robot and wont be it for another 100 years.
AIs are just self-correcting algorithms that are effective in sorting and finding data Strings with certain semantics.
Very different to a sentient being.
Also id rather fear that mankind destroys us. Machines can be programmed to control our economy, people cant be programmed,they are greedy and they are polluting this planet to oblivion right now.

[Anonymous No.10332381]

>>10332344
Also id say that we didnt even develop the right type of Turing machines to recreate human conscience.

[Anonymous No.10332390]

>>10332381
Machines solve patterns better than the average human. So they have a higher IQ.

[Anonymous No.10332395]

>>10332336
Recent large scale population genetics studies, enabled by cheap whole genome sequencing, show that races are real and significant. Of course they just call them genetic clusters due to political correctness, but it is the same thing as classical races, somewhat more overlapping. So much for the "social construct" BS.

[Anonymous No.10332397]

Yes goyim. AI is not a threat. Keep fighting other biological organisms. It's not like machines are going to outstrip you anyway. Don't study biology goyim. Focus on race and race wars as we take over the earth.

[Anonymous No.10332403]

>>10332395
>tfw associate graphs with colours and dots on them with low quality /pol/ bait threads so I almost avoided >>10328242 because of it's image
Lmao

[Anonymous No.10332409]

>>10332390
You really think so ?
What about the calculations we are doing subconsciously... calculate the parabola to throw a ball in certain wind conditions, readjust the mechanical states of your extremities to throw the ball at that parabolic path... our body does it automatically and very precisely.

But not only that... we are capable of understanding the meaning of things. We are vastly superior in extracting relevant information from our environment to any known computer.

Just because a computer can quicksort an array in few ms doesnt mean its smarter. The program was written by a person... the computer is just his slave who uses simple binary circuits to do his math homework.

An AI wont be smarter just because of the fact that the neuron can have more states, while the deterministic Turing machine can have only one state. As I said a true Neural Turing machine will take us some 100 years to make.
Hell a computer today would have a lower IQ than a fly...

[Anonymous No.10332471]

>>10332344
>>10332397
I FUCKING LOVE SCIEEENCE

[Anonymous No.10332517]

>>10332336
>Dogs were domesticated just some 10 000 years ago now there are several different races

And yet, a Great Dane and a Chihuahua can have puppies. You are mistaking "race" for "breed".

[Anonymous No.10332523]

>>10332336
>So im hearing so many people saying that theres no difference between a white man and a black man or an Asian etc....
No you're not. So lying.

[Anonymous No.10332576]

If there was a difference between races then doctors would specialize in only treating people of the same "race". But that doesn't happen. You can be a doctor who learnt it all in rural racist america and still be able to accurately treat people of another "race" in Asia and Africa. Apparently all the functions of the human body are too similar to require medical specialisations

[Anonymous No.10332738]

>>10332336
>So im hearing so many people saying that theres no difference between a white man and a black man or an Asian etc.

strawman. no one says that except your imagined ebil socialist culthural markist feminazi libtard that you're getting oppressed by in the imaginary autism-land in your mind

[Anonymous No.10332761]

>>10332336
You are saying the obvious and preaching to the choir.

[Anonymous No.10332788]

>>10332336
> if we migrated out of Africa 70 000 years ago that we split into different races ?
No. Evolution does not work that quickly. In geologic time, 70,000 years is nothing.

You are making arbitrary differences based on skin color (and yes, shape of skull). Why shouldn't you declare brown haired people to be a different race than redheads? Or blue eyed people to be a different race than green eyes? If a person has two different color eyes, is he/she biracial?

Here's your (you). Now go back to /pol/ and stop spouting bullshit.

[Anonymous No.10332810]

>>10332788

[Anonymous No.10332819]

>>10332788
You already have reddit to post your SJW crap. /sci/ is for discussing topics pertaining to science and mathematics, not politics.

[Anonymous No.10332845]

>>10332819
> /sci/ is for discussing topics pertaining to science and mathematics, not politics.
Then why do (you) post the same old "hurr durr nig nogs be dum" thread every day?

Oh, yeah, because it gets (you)s. Enjoy your two. Now go back.

[Anonymous No.10332865]

>>10332810
> Inb4 buh buh that's just SJW propaganda

[Anonymous No.10332894]

>>10332390
Machines have done calculus better than humans for 60+ years. IT doesn't mean anything.
Have you ever noticed that the people in charge probably don't know calculus?(Or can even send a fucking email half the time)
It's because doing math well doesn't mean shit.

[Anonymous No.10332900]

>>10332344
>AIs that get 120 IQ on their IQ tests. AI can replicate themselves and defeat humans at everything
lets see them AIs fist fite me m8

[Anonymous No.10332902]

>>10332576
That's not true anymore. As medical science is improving doctors are noticing that drugs are working better on white people because drug trials happen more often on white people. Blood pressure medication and heart medication doesn't work as well on black people, that's part of why they die from heart issues more than white people.

[Anonymous No.10332909]

>>10332390
ill believe that when i see an AI analyze a poem and decipher the meaning

[Anonymous No.10332912]

>>10332845
Look into it retard. This is actually harming black people more than you think. They are dying at higher rates because medications and medical research are mostly made with white people as the test subjects, and doctors are noticing the treatments don't work as well on other races.
People are different, people are less different if they lived geographically close to each other historically. WOW! shocking! I can't believe I'm saying something so RACIST.
You're so fucking dumb.

[Anonymous No.10332916]

>>10332909
That doesn't mean anything. I want them to read a poem and cry. Show me that AI.

[Anonymous No.10332917]

>>10332865
>Diamond was born in Boston, Massachusetts, United States. Both of his parents were from East European Jewish families who had emigrated to the United States.

[Anonymous No.10332923]

>>10332917
>(((Diamond))) was born in Boston, Massachusetts, United States. Both of his (((parents))) were from (((East European families))) who had (((emigrated))) to the United States.

FTFY

[Anonymous No.10332925]

>>10332788
>No. Evolution does not work that quickly. In geologic time, 70,000 years is nothing.

Evolution does happen in a few generations, if the selective pressures are high enough. This argument is fucking dumb.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domesticated_red_fox

[Anonymous No.10332928]

>>10332923
Just another coincidence

[Anonymous No.10332939]

>>10332928
DESU though his theory made sense.
Europeans and Chinese had more access to domesticated crops thanks to their geography which made it easier and faster to create agrarian societies.

[Anonymous No.10332945]

>>10332939
>Europeans and Chinese had more access to domesticated crops
>had more access to domesticated crops

the crops had already domesticated themselves before the arrival of European / Chinese?

[Anonymous No.10332959]

>>10332912

A. evidence?
B. show that your evidence CANNOT be blamed on something else.

If youre gonna science you might as well do it right...

[Anonymous No.10332961]

>>10332945
No, the different cultures at that latitude all domesticated a few crops, and eventually the crops spread east and west. Western europeans domesticate a few, arabs did few more, the chinese a few more, and then they all spread so we now have a few dozen different grains. Different animals were domesticated at that latitude that would die in the cold of the north or die from the diseases in the south.

Did you even read the fucking book?

[Anonymous No.10332965]

>>10332959
Google it you mongoloid. You obviously realize you lost if all you can argue at this point is for me to post a citation.

[Anonymous No.10332978]

>>10332344
As I said to you in a different thread, you spastic. The reason they can do IQ-like tests, isn't because they've learnt to, we programmed them to mimic human cognition, that's their fucking purpose. Of course, they can perform certain tasks that favour a high-throughput better than us, because they're fucking computers.
But they don't understand what they're doing, and aren't yet creative. The best you can get, is one generates a semi-random output that is defined by "wanted characteristics" and then a second AI "rates it", and if it doesn't think it meets those "wanted characteristics" it makes the other AI generate another semi-random output, from even stricker "characteristics".
That isn't intelligence, or creativity, that's chance.

[Anonymous No.10332999]

>>10332961
I was commenting the post, not the book

>Europeans and Chinese had more access to domesticated crops thanks to their geography which made it easier and faster to create agrarian societies.

It wasn't very clear what was meant by this sentence. I intepreted as the Europeans already finding domesticated species to cultivate, which doesn't make much sense.

>Did you even read the fucking book?

I'm sure it's full or reasoned arguments, but somehow I can't take the "there are no domesticable animal/crops in Africa" argument seriously. I mean,are zebras really that different from horses? I don't have time to read the entire book.

[Anonymous No.10333012]

>>10332928
Cohencidence

[Anonymous No.10333020]

>>10332965

>I can't prove YOUR point, therefore, I lost.

I checked 10 different studies on the role of race in disease treatment and they all cite systemic oppression and cultural views as the major relevant variables.

So unless you are going to argue for something other than race being a social construct, you lack of evidence is fucking joke.

[Anonymous No.10333034]

>>10333020
I really don't care if you believe me, I'm white so I lucked out and get the best medical care.
Blacks are the ones who stand to lose if you keep up this bullshit charade that humans aren't different based on geography.
By all means, keep letting the blacks die earlier.

[Anonymous No.10333081]

>>10333034

Youre the race realist. I'm the med student. I'm not worried about what you think.

[Anonymous No.10333082]

[Anonymous No.10333086]

>>10333020
>systemic oppression

Never post on this board again.

[Anonymous No.10333103]

>>10333081
You're the one defending policies that will result in more black people dying.

ur the racist here braj.

[Anonymous No.10333104]

>>10332403

[Anonymous No.10333105]

>>10332336
Stop talking about race. Go back to /pol/

[Anonymous No.10333116]

>>10332336
i have between top first and second skin color and a little bit of bottom second hair

what am i

[Anonymous No.10333117]

>>10333081
Why these SJWs need to be so fucking repulsive!!?

[Anonymous No.10333172]

>>10333105
Stop denying biology. Go back to plebit

[Anonymous No.10333185]

>>10333081
I'm not siding either of you in terms of your actual claims, but that's an obvious ad hom an appeal to authority.

[TrylobyteSoup No.10333298]

>>10333082
hahaha nice meme... the dog on the right doesnt look like a retriever however

[TrylobyteSoup No.10333372]

>>10333105
race or super-population isnt a political thing... its a scientific thing
on /pol it would translate into black bashing which wasnt my intent...

Indeed i dont believe that any race is inferior, i do however believe that we have different qualities and perhaps it would improve our lifestyle to encourage our qualities.

Acknowledging that there are genetic differences between races or populations
could help us create more effective medicine.
Indeed it could also help multiracial patients who may struggle to find suitable bone marrow transplants to be more open about this topic,

Its just stating the facts.

[Anonymous No.10333394]

>>10333372
This thread isn't about science, is about POLITICS.

No matter how many times we clarify to the /pol/tard of OP

No matter how many fallacies we crush

No matter how much science we throw at this idiot

It only matters he wants to put POLITICS on /sci/

[TrylobyteSoup No.10333399]

>>10333394
I am the Op

[Anonymous No.10333404]

>>10333399
Fuck you, fuck off, you don't care about real biology, you only want to say blacks and chinese and whatever are another species than europeans.

Fuck off.

[TrylobyteSoup No.10333413]

>>10333404
No youre the NPC here.
Of course i want to say that we have a different genetic make up and different qualities because its a fact.

[Anonymous No.10333415]

>>10333413
NOT BASED ON BIOLOGY
NOT SCIENCE
Pure idiocy

[Anonymous No.10333435]

>>10332902
Case-in-point conditions like G6PD deficiency, which is almost exclusively seen in blacks. Certain medications when administered to a G6PD deficient case have high incidences of serious side effects. t. medfag just passing through, it is infantile to believe race is a social construct on this a board of science

[Anonymous No.10333442]

>viable offsprings
Check
>Shares the same ecosystem
Check
>mixed communities
Check

You like it or not is the same species even with different ethnics. There is your answer.

[TrylobyteSoup No.10333467]

>>10333442
of course its the same species im not arguing against that... it just pisses me off when people dismiss the fact that certain populations have certain anatomical differences....
Like for example a very pronounced white blood cell count difference between Blacks and non-Blacks.
Take this for example : could a white child live solely out of meat like the inuits ?
It would succumb to increased risks of developmental disorders from eating solely meat.

[Anonymous No.10333484]

>>10332336
>Just because someone is better at x doesnt mean that you are inferior... because you're better at y.
That's not good enough. Race deniers are only ok with that prenise when you mean something inconsequential or something whites are in general bad at
If you say blacks are good at basketball while whites are good at engineering, they will go apeshit.

[Anonymous No.10333485]

>>10333467
>of course its the same species im not arguing against that
>>10333413
>Of course i want to say that we have a different genetic make up and different qualities because its a fact

Race has different connotations socially speaking. "Human race", remember. "Race" as a scientific term is barely used in humans as it is pseudoscientific in the way it was used in the past, using race for different species in animals while doing the idiotic distinction of race in humans like it were different species. You use ethnics in humans for this reason.

Genetic differences are a must inside the species, consider if there is not enough genes in the genetic pool the population suffers. Even with the bolivians having greater resistance to high altitude thanks to their superior hemoglobin you can't say they are a different species than the hemophiliac britons.

Enough said.

[Not Schlomo No.10333489]

There is only one race, the human race.

[Anonymous No.10333495]

>>10333489
This is why you contain this bullshit

Fuck off to /pol/ with your reverse psychology bullshit

[Anonymous No.10333498]

>>10332336
>People 100 years ago were nazis who treated people in their colonies like dirt
They treated people outside their race like everybody else did.
Do you think bantus genociding khoisans or arabs castrating blacks was any better?

[Anonymous No.10333502]

>>10333489
How is this not POLITICAL bait?

[Anonymous No.10333503]

We have this thread every day.

Posting on 4chan will not disprove decades of research in genetics.

Go back to /pol/

[Anonymous No.10333515]

>>10332923
>>10332917
>science is a Jewish conspiracy
Posted in every one of these threads.

[Anonymous No.10333518]

>>10333515
Stop noticing patterns, goy

[Anonymous No.10333520]

>>10333485
>"Race" as a scientific term is barely used in humans as it is pseudoscientific
Wrong. There is a very clear definition of race, and it applies to humans.

[Anonymous No.10333522]

>>10333520
What is it then?

[Anonymous No.10333523]

>>10333518
Oh I'm noticing a pattern. You retards hate science and reality. You raid our board with climate change denial threads, race threads, anti vaxx threads, etc. You're a bunch of morons with nothing better to do with your life than raid an anime board and thinking you're going to change the world somehow.

[Anonymous No.10333525]

>>10332395
Bro, that picture is putting swedes and ethiopians into one cluster. If anything, that picture proofs that races do in fact not exist.

[Anonymous No.10333529]

>>10333495
>>10333502
TRIGGERED

[TrylobyteSoup No.10333531]

>>10333485
Its just that i dont like to use the word super-population because no one can accurately guess what i mean. Like ethnic group or population rather refers to slavs or germans... While when im thinking of race im rather thinking of white people, black people( although arguably given their very high genetic diversity, i may not use the right semantic plain), asians etc...
Perhaps id like to appeal to change the connotation and definition of the word.

[Anonymous No.10333532]

>>10333520
PSEUDOSCIENCE ALERT

[Anonymous No.10333534]

>>10333523
nah, only race threads

[TrylobyteSoup No.10333535]

>>10333498
i wasnt solely referring to white people

[Anonymous No.10333536]

>>10333531
>white people, black people
Not science, this is why racism is an actual illness.

[TrylobyteSoup No.10333539]

>>10333525
its rather putting egyptians and somalians into one cluster

[Anonymous No.10333542]

>>10333531
White people is not a scientific term.
Black people is not a scientific term.
Asians are disputable but wouldn't stand rigorous scrutiny if you keep up with the latest in genetics.

[Anonymous No.10333544]

Are Jamaican faster because of the fast twitch fiber thing, or is it a myth?

[TrylobyteSoup No.10333559]

>>10333542
SO i should say descendants of ancient northern eurasians / anceint neolithic farmers/ ancient western and eastern european hunter gatherers instead ? well ok...
If you want to use the term caucasian OK... but the term caucasian originally included people from the middle east too.
Just because in the last 20 years someone started considering black/white derogative doesnt mean i consider it derogative.

[Anonymous No.10333573]

>>10333559
Just use lineage if you don't want to use ethnic, is not that hard. The point is, if you want to talk about science using pseudoscientific terms don't blame us to point that out.

[Anonymous No.10333576]

>>10333539
No it's not. Blue includes everything from Iceland to Egypt.

[TrylobyteSoup No.10333599]

>>10333576
Of course... but you can cluster blue into even smaller clusters... And youd find that the swedish are somewhere on the left side. Sub Saharans and Saharans are similar due to inter-breeding. There are even some speculations of black pharaohs

[Anonymous No.10333605]

If it is ever documented conclusively, the genetic inferiority of a race on a trait as important as intelligence will rank with the atomic bomb as the most destructive scientific discovery in human history. The correct conclusion is to withhold judgment.

Eric Turkheimer

[TrylobyteSoup No.10333616]

>>10333576
But granted perhaps i shouldnt see sub-saharans on the same semantic Plain as whites ... since blacks are way more genetically diverse.

[Anonymous No.10333641]

>>10332336
When you say "white" or "black", what do you mean by that, exactly? Sure, there are noticeable genetic differences between certain populations of humans, but the layman's definition of dividing people by skin colour, the "naive" definition if you will, is misleading. Some "black" people have more in common with some "white" people than some other "black" people, genetically speaking.

[TrylobyteSoup No.10333647]

>>10333544
White people have a high white fiber occurence too... Its rather due to a more efficient bone/muscle structure, narrower hips and better insertion that makes them so fast in the dash.

[Anonymous No.10333670]

>>10333599
Which further advocates that races dont really exist. You can always define smaller clusters in any cluster which shows how arbitrary the definiton of race is.

[TrylobyteSoup No.10333724]

>>10333670
Why dont we say that we are tetrapods ?
Or why dont we drop denisovans and neanderthals as we were able to breed with them.
How far should the definition of different groups go ?
Id rather see race as a gradient as i stated before. Youd still see that people with phenotypically similar features are in closer clusters.

[Anonymous No.10333728]

>>10333536
Aryans and Negroids, satisfied now?

[Anonymous No.10333732]

Too many good goys in this thread. Fuck, my simpathy for white people (people of western european descent, for you autists out there), is dwindling day by day. You really are gullible fools, and you deserve to die as a race. I'll tell you one thing. EVERYBODY outside the western world is a race realist. The chinese, the russians, the africans, the indians (especially the indians), the southern and eastern europeans. Everybody. Maybe because you all live in cities and not on farms where you can see genetics at work in real life. Maybe because you are too euphoric on your egalitarianistic utopian thoughts. I don't care, if you want to die as a race because you want to be politically correct, please do so. Just don't fill my country with GENETICALLY retarded AND violent "refugees".

Thanks

[Anonymous No.10333733]

>>10333489
PSEUDOSCIENCE ALERT

[Anonymous No.10333761]

>>10333732
>EVERYBODY outside the western world is a race realist
>Dumb third worlders believe in it so it must be true!
You really are a dumb nigger

[Anonymous No.10333767]

>>10333761
You can't even decide if you are racist or not for God's sake,

[Anonymous No.10333772]

>>10333761
EVERYBODY HATES NIGGERS. EVEN NIGGERS THEMSELVES.

[Trilobytesoup No.10333794]

>>10333670
While they are in the same cluster the grouping can rely on ancestral screening of their lineage. e.G. fair skinned europeans are descended from yamnayans to a big extent. This isnt so true for their arab/ mesoptonian brothers who wont have a high yamnayan ancestry.
Conversely you can define Asians, Whites etc by their smallest significant denominator. The only problem is when you have intermixed populations like the turks where you cant really tell who is their main ancestor... By that definition turks would be multiracial

[Anonymous No.10333798]

>>10333522
A simple google search can give you that answer.

>>10333532
Saying race is pseudoscience is the same as calling any atomic model until today pseudoscience, because they are incomplete or calling schrodinger's equation pseudoscience because you can't prove it.

[Anonymous No.10333803]

>>10333798
>or calling schrodinger's equation pseudoscience because you can't prove it.
The absolute state of /pol/tards

[Anonymous No.10333810]

>>10333536
>https://biologywise.com/list-of-human-races
Caucasoid, mongoloid, negroid, australoid.

[Anonymous No.10333813]

>>10333810
http://science.sciencemag.org/content/298/5602/2381.full

Genetics does not agree with 700 year old ideas. If you attempt to group people based on genetics alone it does not produce races.

[Anonymous No.10333819]

>>10333813
can't access the article.
Also
>Genetics does not agree with 700 year old ideas.
Is just a retard statement.

[Anonymous No.10333822]

>>10333819
The idea of races was created before we discovered genetics.

[Anonymous No.10333824]

>>10333813
I maybe dum dum, but how can 23andme determine where you come from if "races" don't exist. There must be some genetic patterns associated with geographical locations for sure, or are they just fudging results?

[Anonymous No.10333830]

>>10333824
Those tests look at halpogroups. Haplogroups follow a single known point mutation, or SNP, through a few generations. They do not tell you anything about populations genetics, and are only a rough guess of ancestry. They aren't even meant for that, and it's basically just a marketing scam.

[Anonymous No.10333835]

>>10333830
The point is that, even if the test is inaccurate, it's accurate enough to disthinguish between north european and southern european for example.
It's "seeing" something.

[Anonymous No.10333842]

>>10333835
It's seeing a single point mutation that occurred recently. The human genome has about 3 billion base pairs, and over a million total SNPs. Each of those SNPs has their own gradients of variation, almost all of which is shared with all populations. Haplogroups are a good way to tell you who your recent ancestors are, but it doesn't say that you are drastically different than anyone else genetically.

Think of it like this. You can get two cars that are the exact same make, model, and color. If they were made in different factories, we could look that up (haplogroups) but it doesn't mean they aren't the same car.

[Anonymous No.10333852]

>>10333842
>Haplogroups are a good way to tell you who your recent ancestors are

How recent

[Trilobytesoup No.10333870]

>>10333810
"caucasoid, mongoloid...."

Well ok this is pseudo-science. It can be used to classify people like atlantids pontids etc... Can be useful for crime detectives or guessing from which country someone is.

The point is u can still group people by lineage. Their lineage will define their traits and thats not a social construct.

[Anonymous No.10333876]

SCIENCE-DENIERS

[Anonymous No.10333884]

>>10333803
Awesome, we found someone who not only can prove the equation but also can find the specific axis of the angular momentum of the electron.
Go on chief, explain how that works.

[Anonymous No.10333886]

>>10333870
There are subraces within those.

[Anonymous No.10333900]

>>10333822
The idea of an atom was created before the discovery of the electron.
What's your point?

[Anonymous No.10333927]

>>10333842
>almost all of which is shared with all populations.
And by chimpanzees. Does that mean there is no difference between apes?

[Anonymous No.10333938]

>>10333927
Chimps have twice the genetic diversity of humans.

[Anonymous No.10333939]

>>10333842
That is pretty retarded considering that one singel chromosome is reponsible for the entire difference between genders.
>Who cares that one has a uterus, boobs a vagina and the other has a dick and testicles. It's all the same bruh. It's just one chromosome.

[Anonymous No.10333941]

>>10333938
We share ~99.4% of our DNA with them. I guess, by your standards, different species of apes don't exist.

[Anonymous No.10333944]

>>10333939
>only one chromosome
one chromosome contains a lot of genetic information, and chromosome errors cause major problem, almost all of which are incompatible with life. Too bad you're still alive with trisomy 21.

[Anonymous No.10333955]

>>10333944
fair enough. Now, explain this >>10333941
away,

[Anonymous No.10333958]

>>10333941
>We share X% of our DNA with Y

The point of this phrase is not to show how similar or different organism are from each other. The point of this statement is to show the shared evolution of life on earth through DNA.

[Anonymous No.10333962]

>>10333958
>The point of this phrase is not to show how similar or different organism are from each other.
I don't care about the point of the phrase, i care about the implication.
You theses is that since humans are very similar to each other genetically, they are the same (according to your car analogy).
Does that mean we are the same as chimpanzees given that the genetic difference is just 0,6%?

[Anonymous No.10333966]

>>10333962
Chimps have a different number of chromosomes and a different number of genes.

All healthy humans have the same number of chromosomes and the same set of genes.

[Anonymous No.10333978]

>>10333966
>and the same set of genes.
Not the same set. Are you lying to us or is this a honest mistake?

[Anonymous No.10333983]

>>10333966
Forget the chimps then.
We shared 99,7% of our DNA with neaderthals. They also have 23 chromosomes.
Does that mean neanderthals are the same as humans?

[Anonymous No.10333991]

>>10333983
Yeah why not?

[Anonymous No.10333994]

>>10333978
Learn the difference between a gene and an allele.

[Anonymous No.10333999]

>>10333994
Are neanderthal allele phenotypically different?

Also we account for phenotypical differences inside races, I don't see why something close enough can't be considered the same type of hominid.

[Anonymous No.10334000]

>>10333999
You're ignoring most of the genome by only looking at physical appearance.

[Anonymous No.10334004]

>>10334000
But it's a mayor functionality factor.

A whale may not be a fish but damn they share a lot with them.

[Anonymous No.10334011]

>>10334004
You're trying to make the comparison of different species vs the comparison of members of the same species. You're vastly over exaggerating how much people can even be physically different from one another.

[Anonymous No.10334014]

>>10332347
literally this

[Anonymous No.10334022]

>>10334011
I'm just saying that the base we use to determine this things is functional, IQ, phisical health, inmune systems, etc.

It's all about how people works and the debate centers around people being more or less functional, not about what gene does what.

[Anonymous No.10334028]

>>10332965
>Google it you mongoloid. You obviously realize you lost if all you can argue at this point is for me to post a citation.
Is this nigger for real?

[Anonymous No.10334046]

>>10333798
>calling any atomic model until today pseudoscience,
Kek worst argument ever, they ARE pseudoscience. The Bohr-Rutherford model of the atom is so wrong its unbelievable.

[Anonymous No.10334064]

>>10334046
>atoms are pseudoscience

[Anonymous No.10334068]

the real question is: can I say the n word?

[Anonymous No.10334073]

>>10333298
bro...

[Anonymous No.10334084]

>>10334068
Nope, it lowers your capacity to discern between different people.

Making you objectively dumber.

[Anonymous No.10334085]

>>10333798
>A simple google search can give you that answer.

[Anonymous No.10334117]

>>10333994
So you are arbitraly saying that the difference in alleles don't matter.
If you had a person with an Aa gene mating with another person with an aA gene, and the offspring had an aa gene. Would that aa gene be the same as the one of the originals Aa and aA? No.
Why are you drawing the line in genes and not in alleles? Why not draw the line in nucleotides, if that's the case?
That way there is absolutely no difference between every life in the planet.


>>10333991
They are not classified as humans.

>>10333999
Ok, you have an opinion. That's fine. But we are not gonna discard the concept of race because you have an opinion.

[Anonymous No.10334120]

>>10334085
You couldn't bother looking at the picture could you?

[Anonymous No.10334197]

>>10334120
>you couldn't bother looking at the picture could you?

[Anonymous No.10334205]

>>10334117
>So you are arbitraly saying that the difference in alleles don't matter.
Chimps have a different number and different set of genes than humans. All humans have the same set of genes, just differing alleles.

Are you trying to say every allele is its own species or something?

[Anonymous No.10334209]

>>10334205
>Are you trying to say every allele is its own species or something?
Yes, because that's fucking common sense, so if you have a problem with that you can fuck off back to /lgbt/ and jerk off the other deluded faggots

[Anonymous No.10334212]

>>10334209
Not sure if serious or just retarded.

[Anonymous No.10334229]

>>10334205
Now i think you are the one who do not understand what an allele.
When a gene mutates the variations are called alleles.
Now, in 70.000 years of separate evolution, do you really think these mutations and the reproduction process that took place to propagate those very unique mutations, which allowed for whites to have higher intelligence, colored eyes, beautiful features somehow exist in other races that had nothing to do with them throughout that time?
Do you think those other races just inhaled those genes through the ether???

[Anonymous No.10334240]

>>10334229
Humans share most of their genetic variation. That means most alleles are found in most of the population with only smalls amounts of frequency differences between populations. Just because we look a little different doesn't me we are drastically different genetically. You can't see someone's genome with your eyes.

[Anonymous No.10334242]

ITT: biology deniers jumping through every hoop possible to cope with the fact that races exist. You people are like the Christian that is shown carbon dating and says that the devil planted dinosaur bones in the earth. You have your Truth: all humans are equal, and look top down from that “axiom” to disprove rigorous biological facts.
tldr: COPE

[Anonymous No.10334245]

>>10334240
Small differences are HUGE you idiot. You’re willfully ignorant. We share like 85% of our DNA with a banana. Your argument is just straight up disingenuous or you’re a straight up retard.

[Anonymous No.10334246]

>>10334242
False dilemma. The only two options are NOT believing we are all clones or believing in Nazism.

[Anonymous No.10334249]

>>10334245

>>10333958

[Anonymous No.10334250]

>>10334246
You’ve lost the argument right there.

[Anonymous No.10334253]

>>10334250
This isn't an argument. You're just a science denier posting on 4chan. You idiots just keep posting climate change denial and race threads. You will never be able to change reality by shitposting online.

[Anonymous No.10334254]

>>10334249
Over billions of years of evolution .03% difference is gigantic, brainlet.

[Anonymous No.10334256]

>>10334253
No matter how much you don’t like it. Race exists and is empirical.

[Anonymous No.10334259]

>>10334254
You have no idea how genetics works and are just spouting talking points out of context. Give me another line off your script!

[Anonymous No.10334261]

>>10334259
Thanks for admitting defeat.

[Anonymous No.10334263]

>>10334256
Over 8000 geneticists disagree with you.

https://www.cell.com/ajhg/pdf/S0002-9297(18)30363-X.pdf

[Anonymous No.10334268]

>>10334263
supremacy =/= difference

[Anonymous No.10334269]

>>10334240
Are you really saying that mutations that occurred in a certain group mostly because of their very specific enviroment, such as long, cold and dark winters with scarce food, also occurred on people living in hot sunny weather, were whenever they wanted food they could just reach for a banana or something?

We already stablished that the genetic difference between humans and chimps is about 0.6%.
We share 99.7% of our DNA with neanderthals, which were a different species. This doesn't nulify the difference between races of humans.

>just because we look a little different doesn't me we are drastically different genetically
But it's not just looks. It's fat storage, bone density, intelligence, height, brain size etc.
Basically you entire argument is that you find the percentage difference small. What you think doesn't mean anything. What matters are the practical implications of those differences. And there are plenty.

[Anonymous No.10334273]

>>10334269
He’s just a coping egalitarianist and deep down knows it too. He’s just fighting his internal battle with reality outwardly at this point. He knows he’s wrong but doesn’t like the reality of things.

[Anonymous No.10334284]

>>10334273
You're the autist raiding an unpopular board on an anime website on a Sunday night because you're afraid of science.

[Anonymous No.10334287]

>>10334268
Retard didn’t read it. Painful how fucking stupid /pol/tards are.

“Genetics demonstrates that hu- mans cannot be divided into bio- logically distinct subcategories. Although there are clear observ- able correlations between varia- tion in the human genome and how individuals identify by race, the study of human ge- netics challenges the traditional concept of different races of hu- mans as biologically separate and distinct. This is validated by many decades of research, including recent examples.”

[Anonymous No.10334293]

>>10334273
You’re just a coping racist and deep down you know it too. Science disproved your delusions so long ago, it’s okay.

[Anonymous No.10334295]

>>10334284
You haven’t made an argument yet. Being on an imageboard doesn’t change reality.

[Anonymous No.10334298]

>>10334293
Where again does science disprove that race exists?

[Anonymous No.10334302]

>>10334273
It's not about people being the same it's about functionality, genetic differences account for that functionality but not always, not all individuals of a given race are taller, smarter, etc.

What they do have is particular phenotypical traits, that's it.

So most people will be judged by those phenotypical traits causing issues, that's why blurring the line is practical, yet science doesn't works on blurred lines, but you won't accept that the majority of any population is dumb and ugly.

[Anonymous No.10334304]

>>10334293
>>10334298
https://www.nc>>10334298
bi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14655871

[Anonymous No.10334310]

>>10334298
https://www.nature.com/articles/ng1435

[Anonymous No.10334312]

>>10334298
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/tan.12165

[Anonymous No.10334313]

>>10334304
>measured among samples of world populations is often 15% or less. This would indicate that 85% of genetic variation occurs within groups.

Clear as day.

[Anonymous No.10334315]

>>10334313
\thread

[Anonymous No.10334318]

>>10334313
Read the rest of that sentence.

[Anonymous No.10334321]

>yes people who evolved for thousands of years in vastly different environments ended up differing vastly in height, skin color, bone density, immunity to diseases, brain volume and others but nope it stops at the brain!
These are the people teaching your children at university. Just end it already

[Anonymous No.10334322]

>>10334263
Lol. You are really desperate, if you are resorting to this politically charged "scientific" paper.

Look at the language
>and self-identified race
>uenced by
physical appearance, race itself is a social construct

This was vetted by the social sciences department for sure.

>Most human genetic variation is distributed as a gradient, so distinct boundaries between population groups cannot be accurately assigned
99% of people on scandinavia is blond with blue eyes.
Everyone is japan has straight black hair, dark eyes, pale skin, and nip eyes.
Everyone is africa has frizzy hair, skin, dark eyes etc.

But hey, we can't really assign any distinct boundaries between populations.

After what happened to James Watson, only a retard would take this publication seriously.

[Anonymous No.10334323]

>>10334321
Brain volume doesn’t directly equate to intelligence.

[Anonymous No.10334325]

>>10334318
>while only 15% can be attributed to allele frequency differences among groups.

So you have 70% of in group same allele variance.

[Anonymous No.10334326]

>>10334322
It's a statement from the top organization in the world that studies human genetics. But let me guess: It's all a coverup or Jewish conspiracy and only some NEETs on /pol/ are smart enough to see the truth?

[Anonymous No.10334328]

>>10334323
That wasn’t the point of the post brainlet.

[Anonymous No.10334330]

>>10334325
Zero reading comprehension or understanding of genetics.

[Anonymous No.10334332]

>>10334330
You literally don’t say anything in your posts. How about refuting him.

[Anonymous No.10334333]

>>10334263
>>10334287
Actually, it's clear that you didn't read it. At least not going deeply into the sources it cites for it's points. It's all muddled social-science interpretations of genetic data; they're just weaseling around the topic by changing the terminology. Their claims that race is not biologically real depends upon severely disingenuous interpretation of the word, and while this is somewhat forgivable as the term legitimately has a lot of complicated baggage, these pseudoscientists are intentionally obscuring investigation of the subject through twisted terminology and misappropriation of surface level genetic concepts that don't meaningfully disprove the biological race position e.g. clines or the imprecision of colloquial notions of "whiteness" or "blackness." This dishonesty on the part of academics whose scientific work should be above these kinds of social delusions is despicable, and will not withstand the onslaught of empiricism.

[Anonymous No.10334334]

>>10334302
No you idiot. That's not how it works.
There are several genes that account for height. So a tall african is not gonna have the same genes for height as a tall scandinavian, necessarily.
But there are differences that will be genetically encoded that will define certain potentialities that will be non-existent in other races. For instance, unless there is inbreeding, a sub-saharan african will never be born with blue eyes (unless there is a mutation), whereas a scandinavian might not have blue eyes, but his offspring might.
So it's not just phenotype.

[Anonymous No.10334336]

>>10334322
>99% of people on scandinavia is blond with blue eyes.
Everyone is japan has straight black hair, dark eyes, pale skin, and nip eyes.
Everyone is africa has frizzy hair, skin, dark eyes etc.

All phenotypical traits.

[Anonymous No.10334338]

>>10334326
Appeal from authority. You aren’t a scientist.

[Anonymous No.10334341]

>>10334332
If someone has zero understanding of a topic and doesn't know how to read papers on the topic, AND refuses to be taught because they believe they already know the truth then there is little point.

[Anonymous No.10334345]

>>10334341
Again, nothing.

[Anonymous No.10334347]

>>10334334
At the end of the day you have to make a hard decision.

Will you socially determine people based on a color gradient, or you don't.

If you do, you condemn some of the smartest people on earth.

[Anonymous No.10334350]

>>10334347
Thank you for conceding.

[Anonymous No.10334352]

>>10334350
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_pIPTih5iM

[Anonymous No.10334353]

>>10334350
And fuck you for making humanity worst in the name of light eyes.

[Anonymous No.10334355]

>>10334326
Who said anything about jews you retard?
I simply pointed out the most recent and obvious example of how a scholar can be slandered for having the "wrong" opinion on race, and how academia is obviusly biased, since they went so far as to remove a nobel laureate's honors.

Also the paper you posted is just a bunch of opinions.
Let me tell you how this works.
You can see all those differences that I mentioned in my post, but you can also argue that since there is a vast amount of genetic similarities, you can't really make a distinction between races.
It basically becomes a subjective statement under the veil of academic integrity (which is now compromised).
You could literally make up all kinds of bullshit if you just discard the practical value of some paradigms.

[Anonymous No.10334358]

>>10334352
We were arguing that human race existed, not the social implications of empirical reality. I’m glad you are now more knowledgeable so that you might not spread disinformation in the future. Cool YouTube video though, loser.

[Anonymous No.10334359]

>>10334336
No, those are genotype traits.

[Anonymous No.10334364]

>>10334359
Nah even the differences in alleles have a common ancestor, it's just color variance caused by enviromental expression.

[Anonymous No.10334365]

>>10334355
Why don't you just type up a paper and try to submit to Cell or Nature for overturning decades of research in genetics.

[Anonymous No.10334367]

So... What do people actually mean when they say "race doesn't exist". To me race just means that people's ancestors diverged geographically at certain points in time, accrued diferent mutations/random genetic variation, at certain times different groups would mix back together to greater or lesser extents. You might not be able to classify each group in a perfect way but how does that mean they don't exist?

Take an Irish person and a Japanese person, how long has it been since the bulk of their ancestors diverged? 20,000 years?

[Anonymous No.10334372]

>>10334367
Because they are perfectly fine with the 100 meter dash olympics participants being of all sub saharan decent but the second you bring in iq they screech.

[Anonymous No.10334374]

>>10334367
You could say that time is irrelevant as long as the divergence happened you have a new individual.

But that doesn't makes all individuals of a particular race more this or that, so those differences only account for that individual, claiming asians have a higher IQ considering that most of them couldn't read or write just a century ago therefore their IQs were obviously way lower, it's pointless.

[Anonymous No.10334375]

>>10334367
>So... What do people actually mean when they say "race doesn't exist".
They mean it's an arbitrary grouping, not defined biologically. It's constructed socially first, and then the biological attributes are assigned. That's all.

[Anonymous No.10334384]

>>10334375
Their skin absorbing more of the light spectrum isn’t a social construct. Then we have to ask questions of why it’s so vastly different of our own which leads to more questions. You may as well have said “well yeah there’s something called life but like we are all the same man it’s just how we are defined it’s all a social construct brah.” Idiot.

[Anonymous No.10334385]

>>10334375
Ok, but you could say the same thing about calling an arm an arm. There is nothing that objectively seperates it from the rest of the body we just see it like that because it is useful, right?

Same thing with colors, they are all just a continuous gradient across the visible light spectrum but if someone told me "blue" doesn't exist because you are arbitrarily seperating it from red I'd call them retarded.

[Anonymous No.10334392]

>>10334375
Fucking idiot.

[Anonymous No.10334399]

>>10334385
But blue is clearly two separate colors.

Also, color is one dimensional. Genetics has thousands of variables.

Also, genetic clusters are perfectly valid. But populations cluster in so many different ways Race (as we define it) would never be defined that way if it wasn't socially constructed first.

[Anonymous No.10334406]

>>10334399
Race exists, color exists. Get over it.

[Anonymous No.10334408]

Why are there so many race obsessed posters here lately?
While you're here spamming thresd after thread abour muh niggers muh gooks muh kikes, some teenaged Nigerian just completed medical school.
What do you get from screaming about race all day long?
You probably disparage nonwhites for being soulless and not being interested in the world, and what do you do?
You stare at a computer all day saying that fucking ethnics ruin everything

[Anonymous No.10334411]

>>10334399
>genetics is just like colors.. it's only one variable and one gradient!
Brainlet detected. It's multiple points of variation and multiple gradients. They just made these dumb false analogies to fool idiots like to into believing in political ideology garbage.

[Anonymous No.10334412]

>>10334408
You’re mad that race exists. Exceptions and rules, for every nigger in medical school there are 1000 asian. Keep coping, faggot.

[Anonymous No.10334415]

>>10334411
They really do grasp at anything to keep up their false axiom don’t they? Religious zealot level dogmatists.

[Anonymous No.10334421]

>>10334411
Um, are you okay? You repeated what I was saying.

[Anonymous No.10334423]

>>10334412
You must be one of the angry incel gook masculinity guys.

[Anonymous No.10334429]

>>10334423
I’m white, I’m just not a reality denier like you because I acknowledge that iq is genetic and therefore racial and I’m not insecure enough to deny that my little dark skinned friend. Being more than a sd above the average asian probably helps in my non COPE view of the world though, nigger.

[Trilobytesoup No.10334796]

>>10334322
99% of swedes is blond... Yes
But not 99% of the italians, not central europeans, there you see the gradient. All would be considered white/ descendants of the yamnayans

[Anonymous No.10334811]

>>10334429
> white Eurofag
> Being more than a sd above the average asian
So IQ is genetic for everyone except (you)
What a special little snowflake (you) must be.

[Anonymous No.10334828]

>>10333034
> I'm white so I lucked out and get the best medical care.
Unless you're an Amerifat. Then you get what your parents can afford.

[Anonymous No.10334885]

>>10334323
Brain size does correlate to intelligence. If you have a bigger brain, you are more likely to be intelligent. It's not really that controversial.

[Anonymous No.10335290]

>>10334323
Actually it does. It's not a 1.0 correlation but the correlation exists.
For instance, a brain in which the neurons have a thicker layer of fat will transfer it's impulses more easily.
Also one of the reasons why we have greater intelligence than animals is because our cerebral cortex is bigger.

[Anonymous No.10335292]

>>10334885
What about Einstein?

[Anonymous No.10335502]

>>10333484
> If you say blacks are good at basketball
Larry Byrd, Boston Celtics, led his team to tree National Championships. He was white.

> whites are good at engineering,
Otis Boykin invented one of the first artificial pacemakers for use in cardiac patients. He was black.

Thomas C. Cannon invented the Tactical Fiber Optic Connector, which allowed fiber optic communication under battlefield conditions. His invention made civilian fiber optics more affordable. He is black.

David Crosthwait, Jr., developed early HVAC air conditioning units. He was black.

> Inb4 on average
Judge a man not by the color of his skin, but by the strength of his character.

[Anonymous No.10335608]

>>10335502
>Judge a man not by the color of his skin, but by the strength of his character.
In other words, you support the scrapping of affirmative action and the subsequent drastic reduction in the amount of blacks attending reputable STEM-programs. Good on you, boyo.

[Anonymous No.10335622]

>>10335608
Not him, but I do want to scrap race-based AA and switch to wealth based. It would still help out a lot of black people but it would also help some unfortunate white people.

[Anonymous No.10335631]

>>10332845
Nig nogs are dumb.
Iq is low
Small brain size
They fail wherever they go and create shitholes.
Whites are superior. Fact.

Nothing of value would be lost if blacks ceased to exist.

[Anonymous No.10335963]

>>10335622
>Not him, but I do want to scrap race-based AA and switch to wealth based. It would still help out a lot of black people but it would also help some unfortunate white people.

I think some university in the US tried that but reverted back to the old race based system. I wonder why. Maybe some anon has more details.

[Anonymous No.10336014]

>>10333670
You looked at an image showing genetic differences and similarities that clearly breaks these genetic gradients into clusters of specific populations, and because Ethiopians are grouped with Swedes you determined that this was evidence that races don't exist instead of concluding that your own notion of racial populations and how they relate to each other is misconceived.

You're probably retarded, anon.

[Anonymous No.10336188]

>>10332336
>Wouldnt it be plausible to believe that if we migrated out of Africa
The newest theory is out of Australasia

[Anonymous No.10337027]

>>10333525
>that picture is putting swedes and ethiopians into one cluster

You say that because of the Western Eurasians/Saharan Africans thing?

I think it's Euro + Nafri + MENA., not Ethiopians and the cluster is pretty big anyway, as the space occupied by the races it represents

[Anonymous No.10337039]

>>10336188

Proof

[Anonymous No.10337172]

>>10337039
older artifacts were found there compared to previous out of africa findings

[Anonymous No.10337190]

>>10332344
You got a salsa on that claim? The real danger is nuclear war and starvation, not some sci fi bullshit. We have a real apocalypse coming and you're jacking off about some Terminator fantasy. Worse thatlle happen, ai will take your job and fuck your wife

[Anonymous No.10337196]

>>10332978
And we've had that shit since the 90s, only recently has "machmeme turning" popularized by popsci. They used to be called genetic algorithms. Ai is not suddenly going to just cum in our faces unless we ask it to

[Anonymous No.10337299]

>I think there are obvious differences between races
>YOU JUST WANT TO KILL ALL BLACK PEOPLE RAAAAAAARGH

[Anonymous No.10337310]

>>10337299
>YOU JUST WANT TO KILL ALL BLACK PEOPLE RAAAAAAARGH
Said nobody in the thread. Stop with the imaginary boogeyman.

[Anonymous No.10337468]

>>10332336
>X is a social construct, therefore X doesn't exist

[Anonim No.10338564]

>>10332336
>So im hearing so many people saying that theres no difference between a white man and a black man or an Asian etc

What people? Quit your bullshit op.

[Anonymous No.10338669]

>>10332344
>120 lmao
Add a few zeros

[Anonymous No.10338769]

All ideas are social constructs. Thats the whole point. You can't describe reality without using language

[Anonymous No.10338781]

>>10333082
The one on the right has a really long nose. I don't trust him.

[Anonymous No.10338830]

>>10332999
>I mean,are zebras really that different from horses?
Yes, you meat faced cretin.

[Anonymous No.10338884]

>Imagine having to believe in pre-scientific theories on race to justify posting smug pepes and calling people niggers on the internet while fucking failing at life irl

[Anonymous No.10338916]

>>10334229
Damn, you're a special kind of retard

[Anonymous No.10338921]

>>10338830
They’re different enough that they can’t produce fertile offspring. This makes the degree of speciation between domestic horses and zebras incomparably vast to any genetic diversity within modern man.

[Anonymous No.10338931]

>>10334269
>hot sunny weather, were whenever they wanted food they could just reach for a banana or something?
The mental shortcuts you take are pathetic and embarrassing. Go back to school kid.

[Anonymous No.10338943]

>>10338931
It’s worth noting that the Chinese and Indians were the first people to vaccinate their population. Muh warm weather makes you dumb.

[Anonymous No.10338959]

>>10334322
>99% of people on scandinavia is blond with blue eyes.
>Everyone is japan has straight black hair, dark eyes, pale skin, and nip eyes.
>Everyone is africa has frizzy hair, skin, dark eyes etc.
Child, that's phenotype not genotype.

[Anonymous No.10338979]

>>10338959
No, go back to biology class. People use of the word phenotype to describe genetic and enviromental traits, but the genotype means specifically genetic traits.
For instance, a tan would be strictly phenotype, but straight hair or colored eyes would fall under genotype, even though, for some reason people also use phenotype to refer to that.

[Anonymous No.10338990]

>>10338943
>Muh warm weather makes you dumb.
If this is what you took from the post you are legit low IQ.

[Anonymous No.10338996]

>>10338931
>The mental shortcuts you take are pathetic and embarrassing. Go back to school kid.
Brainlet argument, if we can call it that.

[Anonymous No.10339004]

>>10338979
Bitch please
>The genotype–phenotype distinction is drawn in genetics. "Genotype" is an organism's full hereditary information. "Phenotype" is an organism's actual observed properties, such as morphology, development, or behavior. This distinction is fundamental in the study of inheritance of traits and their evolution.

[Anonymous No.10339012]

>>10338996
Ayo go reach for a banana or sth baka

[Anonymous No.10339021]

>>10338916
What can one even say to that?
Are you hoping someone will make your point for you?

[Anonymous No.10339027]

>>10338990
>If this is what you took from the post you are legit low IQ.
That's precisely what the post was highly suggesting. That niggers had it easy and now they're inferior, invoking he brain-dead "hard conditions breed hard men" argument considering whites.

[Anonymous No.10339057]

>>10338990
You are literally arguing that the conditions of Europe, and presumably possibly the Andes, but I don’t think you thought of that, selected for high intelligence and/or long-term planning skills to a degree that led to tropical populations being disadvantaged intellectually.

[Anonymous No.10339068]

>>10339004
Oh boy, i'm sure you are really proud of being able to google things but please try to use your brain.
When i said genotype i meant genotype trait, THE SAME WAY you meant phenotype trait when you said the word phenotype. You should know this because if you hold your use of the word phenotype to the same scrutiny that you held my use of the word phenotype, you know you would be guilty of the same fallacy.
Now pic related is what genotype means.
Like o said genotype account for genetic and environmental traits, but genotype means specifically the genetic traits.

[Anonymous No.10339078]

>>10339068
>my use of the word phenotype
Genotype*

[Anonymous No.10339125]

>>10338830
No, they aren't. Also this was in the context of domestication. Zebras can be domesticated, but it's not very practical at the moment. Selective breeding could produce more domesticable animals.

[Anonymous No.10339210]

>>10339057
I didn't say the tropical population was intellectually disadcantaged because of that
I simply meant that you should not expect that the genetic mutations that occurred in the european population due to their environment would occur to the population living in Africa.

[Anonymous No.10339244]

>>10339210
Mutations aren’t influenced by environmental conditions except by mutagenic effects. Natural selection that acts on those mutations is influenced by the environment. There’s literally nothing stopping blonde hair from evolving multiple times, and it has. We see it in European populations and melanesians.

[Anonymous No.10339778]

>>10339027
No you came to that conclusion on your own. I was simply pointing that the there is no reason to assume that the mutations that occurred in the european population, during the 70.000 years of evolution that they spent appart from other groups, would occur in africans.

>>10339244
>Mutations aren’t influenced by environmental conditions except by mutagenic effects.
That's a dumb way of saying enviroment can cause mutation if it has a mutagenic effect.
Also you can't say mutations are always spontaneuos just because you don't know the cause of it.
UV light is a mutagen. How can you tell that the different levels of exposure to UV light between the nordic populationa and th african population didn't influence the mutations in their genes, during the 70.000 years of evolutions in which they were appart?

And even if we assume that the mutations are 100% random and that natural selection is what determines whether or not they will be passed along, the point still stands. The genetic mutations that resulted in the european population, their genotype and phenotype, during the time they were isolated, are not the same as the ones that created the sub-saharan africans.

[Anonymous No.10340171]

>>10339778
Wouldn't the UV light have to make it directly into their balls?

[Anonymous No.10340477]

>>10340171
>Wouldn't the UV light have to make it directly into their balls?
No. With different enviromental conditions you have different variables affecting your homeostatic mechanism.
Do really think that the climate of your enviroment, the amount of sun you are exposed to, the kind of food you consume, the viruses and bacterias that's around, etc won't influence any potential mutation of your germ cells? Do you really think there is a vacuum chamber inside your balls insulating them for the rest of your body?
Now, think of that over the course of tenths of thousands of years.

But like I said, even if those mutations were 100% random, the point would still stand. Europeans were the ones who selected for the traits they have today, just like africans selected for their own, and this is how the difference between races are rooted in genetics.

[Anonymous No.10340571]

>>10340477
>tenths of thousands of years
So hundreds of years?

[Anonymous No.10341192]

>>10340571
Haha, you got me anon.

[Trilobytesoup No.10342365]

Guys you succesfully changed my opinion on race... will be using ancestral lineage to refer to phenotypes from now on

[Anonymous No.10342711]

>>10334046
>misusing the word pseudoscience so HARD that you are calling the Bohr-Rutherford model of the atom "pseudoscience"

Have you notice that leftists and stupid low IQ negros really seem to like that word lately? Its like they think it gives them magically powers to automatically dismiss science by calling it "pseudoscience".

Protip: Race science may have been inaccurate in the past, but race science was NEVER pseudoscience.

Race is also not pseudoscience, it exists.

[Anonymous No.10342750]

Race deniers are human garbage. All are leftists jackasses who think our eyes and our minds don't work. Nice joke fags. Races don't exist its just a lie. Yup, you see all those physical differences between humans, how you can easily categorize hundreds of individuals just because they share a common trait? That anyone can do? All a lie! Just a coincidence. There cannot be anything biological inherent here. So a white person and a black person have a baby, and that baby happens to be an unusual mixture of traits from both races, managing to not look like either parent. Well obvious, race doesn't exist, so what causes a child to look like that isn't genetics, but a social construct. Yup, how society sees races is what determines how a race mixed child looks like! This is the type of stupidity you swallow when you deny race, and anybody who denies race or says "go back to /pol/" deserves to be banned. They have no right to speak about science.

You know, funny thing is, I have a more controversial positions on race, that is ironically, probably more accepted in the genetic community then they themselves realize. Where I think we ought to classify humanity into sub-races, because the sub-races show just as much genetic variation as the main races, can make even more accurate position and just like races, sub-races show different average IQ, and behavioral characteristics. You can tell that there are genetic differences in behavioral characteristics between Italians and Irish people. These genetic differences are consistent, and nothing made me more convinced about it, then seeing the startling consistent of political values between the Irish and Italian in their home country, and in Italian and Irish Americans areas of the USA. If you ever learn of the Cajun and the Scot-Irish, you too may even believe, that the fact that Louisiana voted in Huey Long and why West Virginia is so different from the rest of the USA, isn't just coincidence.

[Anonymous No.10342767]

>>10342750
I would also like to add, that the only reason why race denial has gotten so far, and why its sister gene denial, has not been successful is very simple, is because race denial doesn't actually interfere with the questions that previous race science was all about. Race exists, its biological, and its a valid category, however, with the rise of population genetics, there is no real reason to even rely on race. Population genetics can break things down to more and more specific things, and race concepts are not all that relevant if you want to know the ancestry of Icelanders, or how the founder effect impacted modern day Icelanders, or how they differ from the Swedes. And these same techniques can be applied to greater populations.

However, whenever race is useful as a construct, its interesting how this "social totally not biological construct" hasn't actually died out in the sciences. You will see many papers, where racial groups are used as control subjects. They don't categorize solely on race, but its hard not to notice it when the groups are 18 year old Caucasian university students vs Sub-Saharan Africans. And you cannot say this is just for "cultural" or "socioeconomic" reasons, since these same groups will be used even in situations were you cannot see what relevance that would have. Race doesn't exist, which is why leftists cannot stop using the concept.

[Anonymous No.10342888]

>>10342711
>>10342767
They deny race not only because they get triggered by IQ differences but more importantly, because they dread the idea of whites ever becoming tribal.

[Anonymous No.10343106]

>>10342750
Biggest strawman ever. Nobody denies that different ethnic groups have a different genetic makeup. That is just common sense. Now, to go from this to claiming that different "races" have different behavioral or cultural patterns, you would need some pretty solid unbiased evidence as to the heritability of these traits.
Similarly, no one is claiming that society is changing the way people physically look, but that the socially constructed notion of race (which is not biologically well-founded) has an influence on the way people are perceived and affects their lives in a very tangible and measurable way.
Regardless of whether or not there is a well-founded biological notion of race, the ideas of "whiteness" and "blackness" for example, (with the one drop rule) are socially constructed. They change geographically (south americans are white in Europe but not in the US) and have changed over time. Why is the child of a black/white couple considered black ? This is not a biological problem.
You rant about biology in response to something that is basically orthogonal to biology.

[Anonymous No.10343117]

>>10342888
>because they dread the idea of whites ever becoming tribal.
As one should.

[Anonymous No.10343135]

>>10342750
>>10342767

Your post boils down to, "if you obsesses over the differences you start noticing them more".
No shit Sherlock.
What else are you going to tell me?
Not more than confirmation bias.
You go through life witnessing 999 events that do not agree with your worldview and you do not even register them and then you witness one event that does and suddenly your worldview is validated.
Genius.

[Anonymous No.10343261]

>>10343135
>You go through life witnessing 999 events that do not agree with your worldview and you do not even register them and then you witness one event that does and suddenly your worldview is validated.
IDK if it’s funny or scary that a failure to comprehend this simple concept explains the entire existence of places like pol. They should be classified as a lesser species.

[Anonymous No.10343369]

>>10343106
Society is doing that to some extent, as relationships between “races” become more common and acceptable. Can’t wait for the almond-skinned master race of 2500.

[Anonymous No.10343658]

>>10332978
Are you unironically implying that even if someone gets a higher IQ score than you, they aren't necessarily more intelligent?

[Anonymous No.10344989]

>>10332336
>First of all their phenotype clearly differs.
As does everyone's.

[Anonymous No.10344993]

Wife is not a race, nor black neither Asian. Race is not defined by skin color.
You are retarded, you have to go back.

[Anonymous No.10345000]

>>10343369
>Can’t wait for the almond-skinned master race of 2500

Unlikely going to happen. Except for latin america, every place where races mix has a birth deficit. Almost no one living in 2500 Europe will have a meaningful genetic contribution from the people that live in Europe today. If the conditions don't change, these places will become population sinks for purebred Africans and Asians.