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Anonymous Fri Jan 18 14:14:23 2019 No.10307312 [Reply] [Original]

>Your consciousness is just an illusion that you experience due to the complex information processing your brain is doing
>Your consciousness is just an illusion that you experience
>an illusion that you experience
>you experience

oh shit senpai...

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 18 14:32:03 2019 No.10307361 I think Dennett may be a literal philosophical zombie

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 18 14:36:51 2019 No.10307366 >I can’t adequately describe something with words therefore I’m right I know people who believe in free will are stupid, but that’s just funny

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 18 14:37:33 2019 No.10307367 >>10307312 I don't understand

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 18 14:38:37 2019 No.10307369 >>10307367 If you experience something, you have a consciousness.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 18 14:38:42 2019 No.10307370 >>10307312 >Lemme just use my illusion to tell you it's a illusion . Literal retard

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 18 14:39:44 2019 No.10307374 >>10307366 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_will_theorem

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 18 14:40:26 2019 No.10307376 >>10307367 Dennett's explanation isn't an explanation at all. It just hides the problem behind another layer of ambiguity. If conscious is an illusion, then who or what is experiencing the illusion?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 18 14:41:49 2019 No.10307378 File: 40 KB, 600x615, 1535919479335.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10307366 >he thinks free will and consciousness are the same thing

Anonymous Fri Jan 18 15:35:12 2019 No.10307513

What if consciousness and free will developed because our brain has limited processing capacity and has to choose what information to focus on and what to discard? It has to guide mental processes and has the ability to override commands from more primitive parts of the brain in order to increase long-term gainels over short-term ones.

Anonymous Fri Jan 18 15:49:42 2019 No.10307541

>>10307513
Nah because even really simple creatures process and filter information.

Free will vs determinism is metaphysics ontological shit.

There was an argument that neuroscience suggests the brain determines an action before a person is conciousness of having made decision and that delay means people are just autonomous meat-robots blindly executing progran in reaction to exterminal stimuli, but those studies were pretty weak.

Its easy to say conciousness is an illusion. A hallucination can seem just as real as sober observation but it doesn't make it real. That doesn't mean free will doesn't exist.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 18 15:51:48 2019 No.10307544 >>10307312 Consciousness is real, free will is not. Anyone who says otherwise is a brainlet.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 18 15:52:51 2019 No.10307545 >>10307544 >>10307547 This post is self aware.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 18 15:54:49 2019 No.10307549 >>10307544 >>10307547 This post is self aware.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 18 15:55:36 2019 No.10307553 >>10307513 Free will isn’t real.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 18 15:56:02 2019 No.10307554 >>10307544 This

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 18 15:56:38 2019 No.10307556 >>10307541 All animals with brains are conscious.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 18 16:08:02 2019 No.10307585 >>10307544 This

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 18 16:15:05 2019 No.10307602 The mitochondria is just sitting there prisoner of the cell, working until it's death. There is no free will.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 18 16:49:43 2019 No.10307708 >>10307544 On the contrary: Free will is real, consciousness is not.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 18 16:55:17 2019 No.10307726 File: 810 KB, 220x220, tenor.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10307312

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 18 18:27:02 2019 No.10307984 >>10307544 >t. sophomore in college

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 18 23:09:03 2019 No.10308680 >>10307312 Dennett BTFO

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 19 01:36:47 2019 No.10308870 >>10307366 dennett believes in free will.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 19 01:37:48 2019 No.10308872 >>10307544 >>10307708 i don't see how it's possible to believe in one and not the other

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 19 11:38:05 2019 No.10309642 >>10308870 kind of, chaos makes us so complicated that even when we're all robots, the difference from a pure idea of FW is meaningless

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 19 12:30:05 2019 No.10309741 Isn't it a bit weird how you guys perpetually shit talk philosophy and then every other thread devolves into you invariably discussing philosophy

Anonymous Sat Jan 19 12:35:28 2019 No.10309748

>>10307312
But it eviedently turns out to work just as I perceive it. How come it's not real or an illusion when I perceive it with my senses and making me think and be who I am in an absolute existence in the universe. If ur to stupid yo see this then good lick anon. You are a subhuman which are so stupid you cannot fucking reason abviously so you. Yes you. Create an illusion from what's real that makes you illusional. Nobody else hopefully.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 19 12:40:33 2019 No.10309758 >>10309748 Calm down Daniel

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 19 12:44:41 2019 No.10309762 >>10307312 "Quantum mechanics ends the free will debate"-Michio Kaku

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 19 13:36:41 2019 No.10309860 >>10309762 Memechio Cuckoo

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 19 15:09:45 2019 No.10310073 >>10307374 >mobile

Anonymous Sat Jan 19 15:13:46 2019 No.10310078

>>10307378
“Free will” reaults from actions that you carry out as a result of your brain undergoing some process that you have zero control over. Given that your consciousness is simply the space within which all of your sensory data as well as your thoughts arise, “free will” and consciousness are one and the same, by definition.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 19 19:14:03 2019 No.10310721 >>10307361 these days we call them NPCs

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 19 19:15:25 2019 No.10310724 there is only chaos (pure chaos) and order (organized chaos) nothing else matters

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 19 19:16:26 2019 No.10310729 >>10309762 >Michio Kaku some meme faggot TV scientist

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 19 19:17:45 2019 No.10310734 There's no such thing as pure free will or the total absence of it. We're all NPCs to some degree (greatly varying degrees).

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 19 20:06:50 2019 No.10310881 >>10307312 An illusion presupposes a consciousness you can trick, dipshit. Think harder.

Anonymous Sat Jan 19 20:18:02 2019 No.10310907

>>10310724
No, there is the transition between the two. and the recognition now that even 'true' chaotic systems have regions of order within them. And the spooky in the science is that these regions of order known as 'strange attractors' will be the same within un-related systems. And if these systems are brought into relationship, the strange attractors will already be resonating with each other. This resonance spreads throughout each system, bringing each into sympathetic resonance with the other and spreading order.

This might sound a little abstract, but is worth remembering when you are considering the behavior of interacting chaotic systems, as usually happens in conversations about consciousness.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 19 20:20:19 2019 No.10310917 >>10310881 woosh

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 19 20:25:03 2019 No.10310929 >>10310917 Yeah no kidding. Gotta own up when my chromosomes start acting up.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 20 01:37:52 2019 No.10311496 >>10307376 Is he just saying that consciousness is an emergent property of a sufficiently complex information processing system, as some ancient astronaut theorists believe?

Anonymous Sun Jan 20 01:41:04 2019 No.10311502

>>10307541

If free will exists then why cant you make yourself happy when you are sad?

Why are you still a virgin?

Why cant you make your arms longer just by willing it?

If I had free will certainly my will would be free to do whatever I wanted, like conjuring things from thin air.

No, our wills are not free. They are bound by the physical laws of reality, time, and cause/effect.

We are meat robots.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 20 01:46:09 2019 No.10311507 >>10307312 >I think therefore I am >I therefore I HAHA GOTEEM

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 20 11:04:04 2019 No.10312280 >>10311496 Once we can model the human midbrain in a computer we will find out. I wager that it will be conscious.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 20 11:04:57 2019 No.10312282 >>10311502 >man can do what he wills, but he cannot will what he wills

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 20 11:12:22 2019 No.10312301 >>10312282 So only women have free will? Makes sense.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 20 12:31:14 2019 No.10312467 >>10311502 free will means you're free to will, not that whatever you will actually happens

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