/sci/ - Science & Math

[Anonymous No.10304394]

>not being in a state of perpetual existential crisis
And that's how I know you have low intelligence

[Anonymous No.10304397]

>omg you can't be SMAHT if you aren't as mentally ill as me!!!1one11
kill yourself

[Anonymous No.10304400]

>>10304397
>he thinks it's about mental illness and not eerily profound insight into nature
Brainlet

[Anonymous No.10304401]

>>10304394
This is how I know OP's mother died today. Or was it yesterday?

[Anonymous No.10304404]

>>10304394
But I am, and it fucks me up.

[Anonymous No.10304407]

>I’m totally not mentally ill guys I’m just too smart

[Anonymous No.10304408]

>>10304401
>>10304407
Brainlets

>>10304404
High IQ individual

[Anonymous No.10304411]

>having a concept of self
Take a good hard look at a life.

[Anonymous No.10304414]

>>10304400
Please demonstrate any knowledge you have about the universe whatsoever not already contained within scientific data.

[Anonymous No.10304415]

>>10304394
That's how I know that you are a pussy.

[Anonymous No.10304418]

>>10304408
>You’re just dumb if you aren’t mentally ill lol yeah haha

[Anonymous No.10304422]

>>10304394
What are the possible solutions to this crisis?

It always just seems to come down to:
1) Don't think about it
2) There is no crisis because (insert delusional religious belief designed to arrest human thought (probably why humans have evolved to be drawn to religion in the first place))
3) Become a nihilist

[Anonymous No.10304425]

>>10304414
It exists. It shouldn't. It is absolutely, 100% illogical that such a thing as a universe should exist. And yet it does.

[Anonymous No.10304432]

>>10304418
You're just blind and completely unable to reason out the absolute weirdness of the space you are in due to your low intelligence. It's understandable. By my estimates only about 1-2% of people have the capacity to fully grasp this notion: >>10304425

[Anonymous No.10304438]

>>10304415
>hiding behind hormones
That's how I know you're not even smart enough to realize you're not smart enough to realize you're not smart enough

[Anonymous No.10304441]

ITT: shit white pussies say

[Anonymous No.10304445]

>>10304425
>It exists. It shouldn't. It is absolutely, 100% illogical that such a thing as a universe should exist. And yet it does.

Why is that illogical?

[Anonymous No.10304446]

>>10304422
There's no solution bro. Sorry to say this. You either get drunk to become dumb again, or you live with it. Once you're intelligent enough to see it, there's no going back. All these people envying intelligence in others have no fucking idea what they're wishing upon themselves.

[Anonymous No.10304448]

>>10304432
>Hahahhaha I’m so enlightened and cool please hold me

[Anonymous No.10304449]

>>10304445
If you didn't get it the first time, then you're in no position to understand it. I won't waste my time on you. Consider yourself lucky.

[Anonymous No.10304452]

>>10304438
Here is the real deal. I had your thoughts twenty years ago. A lot of people are dummies but a great many of them aren't. You'd be surprised how much company you have. Grown-ups get past that shit. What else is there to do?

[Anonymous No.10304453]

>>10304449
>hahaha I refuse to meet my burden of proof I’m so smart haha

Why is it illogical for the universe to exist? Why are you assuming on faith that “nonexistence”, whatever that is, is somehow a more “basal” or “logical” state? You’re a cute troll.

[Anonymous No.10304468]

>>10304453
>Why is it illogical for the universe to exist?
Everything tends to lowest possible energy. Non existence bears the lowest possible energy. The fact that it exists breaks the very foundation of logic. It is incomprehensible. Trying to understand it is a quick way to go mad, provided a high capacity to reason. If you would stop focusing on memes you would perhaps squeeze enough intelligence from your brain to see it. I'm not too sure though.

[Anonymous No.10304471]

>>10304452
>What else is there to do?
I have no idea. Alcohol makes you dumber so it blinds you, so there's that. It also makes you sick though. High intelligence is a true curse.

[Anonymous No.10304476]

>>10304468
>Everything tends to lowest possible energy.

No, entropy tends to increase in systems because of how energy conversion works.

>Non existence bears the lowest possible energy.

No. That’s like saying a doorknob has the least anger in it. A universe that has undergone HEAT DEATH would have the “‘’lowest possible energy”””, your mangling of the concept of entropy.

>The fact that it exists breaks the very foundation of logic.

No, this is your misunderstanding of physical laws, not logic.

>It is incomprehensible.

It’s easily comprehensible. The universe has entropy, and this entropy will increase until heat death.

>Trying to understand it is a quick way to go mad

If you don’t understand the concept of entropy, sure.

[Anonymous No.10304478]

>>10304468
> Thinking entropy within a system tells you whether or not the system could or should exist

> Thinking 'the foundation of logic' means ANYTHING.

Y I K E S
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[Anonymous No.10304480]

>>10304425
Wait til he starts watching string theory videos on YouTube guys.

[Anonymous No.10304482]

Literally on par with mental illness being a point of pride, which is some serious low IQ power

[Anonymous No.10304484]

>>10304394
>I'm an alcoholic because I'm so intelligent I need to numb all of my profound thoughts with a bottle of ricards
>that's right I don't drink beer or vodka like all those party brainlets, I drink anise-flavoured apertif

[Anonymous No.10304490]

>>10304476
Good effort but you're missing the point. The universe exists. This is all that matters. This one simple sentence breaks everything we know about anything, and exposes us as the pretentious low-level creatures we are. There are no physical laws and no logical deductions that can explain it. It is so far removed from human reason that we might as well drop all acts. Human thought and everything that goes along with it is inside the universe. Whatever force is responsible for creating and maintaining it, is on the outside. That's provided there is such a thing as an outside. Our words fail us and our logic fails us. This is the source of the existential crisis. You can't word it, that's how powerful and bizarre it is. This is why you need higher order intelligence to even poke at the idea, otherwise you just keep going around in circles, never fully grasping the absolute weirdness of it.

I'm not going to play ball. You either understand this or you don't. There is no in between.

[Anonymous No.10304491]

>>10304484
I don't drink alcohol though. I acknowledge it as a way out but I also realize it makes me sick. Therefore I avoid it. Haven't been drunk in years.

[Anonymous No.10304496]

>>10304471
Yes. And there are a lot of Fuckers who have it. Just enjoy. Maybe your path will cause you to realize that none of this exist. And the math adds up. I think that's pretty cool. I know; I am soon to die from medical stuff. I pick up people who are thumbing for rides so I can find meaning with them. We think we are more unique but, a lot of people at Wal-Mart understand.

[Anonymous No.10304509]

>>10304411
Perhaps the only truly intelligent post in this thread.

[Anonymous No.10304518]

>>10304490
>The universe exists. This is all that matters. This one simple sentence breaks everything we know about anything, and exposes us as the pretentious low-level creatures we are.

No, not at all, unless you know of some way to show that the universe is logically impossible, because it’s existence is somehow a contradiction or something.

>There are no physical laws

Incoherent. The universe HAS physical laws. They’d never “explain it”.

>and no logical deductions that can explain it

So? Who cares?

>It is so far removed from human reason that we might as well drop all acts.

Uh.....no. Human reasoning is part of the universe and entirely coherent within it.

>Human thought and everything that goes along with it is inside the universe.

No shit, though your terminology may be off.

>Whatever force is responsible for creating and maintaining it, is on the outside.

Incoherent rambling. “Forces” are things in the universe. To say one exists “outside” of it or “created it” is meaningless, nor is there any suggestion the universe requires “maintenance” or even a cause, since causality requires time and thus time can’t be caused.

>That's provided there is such a thing as an outside.

Obviously not, since the word “outside” implies something occupies a different relative position within spacetime and as such there can’t be “outsides” of spacetime.

>Our words fail us and our logic fails us.

No, works pretty well. I find myself having no issue discussing the topic, but you do, because you’re being incoherent.

>This is the source of the existential crisis.

Your lack of understanding of various topics?

>You can't word it, that's how powerful and bizarre it is.

Yes I can. You experience confusion and “existential dread” because the universe’s existence is seemingly contradictory, impossible, or illogical to you.

[Anonymous No.10304520]

>>10304394
>existential crisis
That's your Ego kid.
Enlightenment is realizing existential crisis is just non productive navalgazing.

[Anonymous No.10304529]

>>10304490
>This is why you need higher order intelligence to even poke at the idea

No, you need a pedantic attitude and excess time on your hands to bother yourself thinking about unfalsifiable things.

>otherwise you just keep going around in circles,

That’s what you’re doing. Bothering yourself about something unfalsifiable.

>never fully grasping the absolute weirdness of it.

There is, by definition, nothing “weird” about the universe existing, because something has to be “unusual” to be weird and the universe is sure as hell “usual”.

>You either understand this or you don't. There is no in between.

I understand perfectly. You’re a pedant going through a phase during which you use your own misunderstanding of physics, topology, and general logic to make yourself believe you’ve obtained some deep and meaningful insight.

[Anonymous No.10304530]

>>10304518
I'm glad you can find the logic in existence. I certainly can't. Logic is a closed system. We have no idea why the laws of physics work. We have no idea what the universe is embedded within, if anything. Your post makes sense, and that's why you can't see the non-sense I am presenting. I call it force because I can't think of a better word. If I called it god, you would attack me as a religious nut. Truth is, words don't exist for it. Nor can they.

[Anonymous No.10304533]

>>10304490
The universe exist because there was nothing to prevent it from coming into existence. Limitations only exist if there is something that exist which can limit the possibilities of things occurring unrestrained. In the pre-universe domain there was nothing to prevent anything from happening. The implication of this? Infinite chaos, hence the universe. Infinite chaos is my conceptualization of unrestrained occurrences causing unsustainable instability. The big bang was the consequence. The science behind this notion? I don't know, but usually what is philosophically coherent tends to be scientifically coherent.

[Anonymous No.10304536]

>>10304533
Interesting take. But chaos also requires energy.

[Anonymous No.10304538]

>>10304394
>in a state of perpetual existential crisis
remaining in such a state is how I know you are young

[Anonymous No.10304540]

>>10304530
>I'm glad you can find the logic in existence

Where the Hell else would it be?

>I certainly can't.

Yes you can, because you’re literally attempting to use logic to prove your point that the universe is impossible.

>Logic is a closed system.

What?

>We have no idea why the laws of physics work.

And? Doesn’t bother me any.

>We have no idea what the universe is embedded within, if anything.

That is topologically incoherent.

>Your post makes sense, and that's why you can't see the non-sense I am presenting

Wow

>I call it force because I can't think of a better word. If I called it god, you would attack me as a religious nut. Truth is, words don't exist for it. Nor can they.

Words don’t exist for this thing you just made up, yeah. I’ll make up a word for it, though. It’s called Zorp.

[Anonymous No.10304542]

>>10304538
I'm 30. It started when I was 5. If it goes away at some point it's sure taking it's time.

[Anonymous No.10304547]

>>10304449
posits logic. can't explain what he means.
*hardy laugh at his expense*

[Anonymous No.10304548]

>>10304540
Since you're getting angrier with each post, I think it's best if we leave this argument as is and stop at this point. I'll just reply to two more points you made and then I'll stop replying to this thread altogether. There's not much I can say about it anyway.

>Yes you can, because you’re literally attempting to use logic to prove your point that the universe is impossible.
Glad you found the problem. Now think about it. If you have the guts for it.

>I’ll make up a word for it, though. It’s called Zorp.
I like it. I'll call it Zorp from now on.

[Anonymous No.10304551]

>>10304548
>Glad you found the problem. Now think about it. If you have the guts for it.

Okay!

The universe exists. Therefore, your claim that the universe is impossible is disproven, and the methods you have used to reach the conclusion are flawed.

[Anonymous No.10304577]

>>10304542
You have to deal with it. It doesn't go away, you make peace with it.
You need to find your own approach to that, but if you don't you will be spending a ton of mental energy over something that can't be changed, and that's futility itself.
You need to spend your energy on the things in your life that CAN be changed, and make the best life you can.
Work on changing your point of view regarding this issue you can't solve.
Consider how beautiful existence is.
Consider how lucky you are.
What is, is. And that's beautiful, too.

[Anonymous No.10304579]

>>10304577
Good anon is good

[Anonymous No.10305090]

>>10304394
Life is too short to worry, anon. Make the best out of any pursuits you enjoy, and if you can leave the world a nicer place doing so, all the better.
There will be brainlets, boomers and npc's telling you you need to settle down and be realistic, but that's just them being wired that way.

All that matters is being happy :)

[Anonymous No.10305391]

>>10304448
Yes, that's what you sound like, faggot. Do us a favor and turn 18 please.

[Anonymous No.10305423]

>>10304401
Camus reference?

Looks like OP here didn’t get it lmao
>>10304408

[Anonymous No.10305430]

>>10304425
Can you prove we exist? You're already making assumptions that make an ass out of you and me. Consider this: what if we don't exist? What if our universe was a predetermined, mathematical "what-if". In our little theoretical bubble, everything follows a deterministic (determined by the universe outside our bubble) path towards it's ends, and we are simply parameters that observe this phenomenon WITHIN the bubble. Now you see how generalizing your observations within a system can run into issues!

[Anonymous No.10305461]

>>10304401
Kek

[Anonymous No.10306102]

>>10304425
I also get a dread about this. And it worries me even more that I cannot find anyone else concerned.

Except the way I put it is slightly different but I believe addresses the same: Why something rather than nothing?

That question fills me with an awful and eternal existential dread. The one where your heart sinks to the bottom of your stomach and you feel alone in the dead of night.

[Anonymous No.10306127]

>>10304394
>being in a state of perpetual existential crisis
And that's how I know you are an absolute faggot

[Anonymous No.10306188]

i dont believe this meme that intelligent people must be depressed. i think the people that are most successful are those that are both intelligent AND confident, they are mentally virile and procreative, they dont waste their time moping, they go and use their brains to create, not bemuse their fate and wallow in misery. i sympathize with the torturted genius but its not something to idolize imo

[Anonymous No.10306190]

>>10304449
>no argument
That's what I expected.

[Anonymous No.10306192]

>>10304468
>Everything tends to lowest possible energy.
Stopped reading right there. You're retarded and don't even know basic physics.

[Anonymous No.10306195]

>>10304394
Nice bait, fag.

[Anonymous No.10306232]

>>10306102
Our notions of probability, space, energy, and time are noncomposed at t_{0}. There are complexities here we will not understand for some time.

[Anonymous No.10306234]

This is your answer:

Imagine you are spawned on this planet the same way you get spawned in a minecraft world.

Now.

You can't do anything about it, might as well enjoy it and do whatever your brain and body can allow you to do, eg. live up to your given abilities' potential.

You only get one experience, use it as best you can. There will never again be a combination of atoms the same as yourself that will have the ability to experience tlthe universe through consciousness.

[Anonymous No.10306240]

>>10304441
white pussies usually say "made for bbc"

[Anonymous No.10306256]

>>10304394
>his existential crisis has led him to the peace of deism yet

[Anonymous No.10306268]

>>10304530
>>10304490
>>10304468

>from nothing
illogical
>from something
logical

It is literally that simple.

[Anonymous No.10306362]

>>10304394
If you never have existential angst, odds are you're below average in intelligence. If you are in a constant crisis, odds are, you're slightly above average intelligent. Those of us with actual intelligence move past existential fears, because we're problem solvers.

[Anonymous No.10306363]

>>10304425
It exists, therefore there must be a logical reason for it to exist. You just haven't looked hard enough or worked hard enough to understand said reason.

[Anonymous No.10307297]

>>10306102
See
>>10305430
Maybe I didn't explain well enough, but what we see and extrapolate from this universe only goes as far as this universe. "Nothing" is a concept that we defined, so it isn't even logical to apply it to extra-universal scenarios.

[Anonymous No.10307358]

>>10307297
I understand that we cannot take things within and extrapolate them out. But it's certainly possible that it can be allowed.

I think it's possible that the correct logic could be an omniscient thing. A metaphysical thing, no?

From there you might say that our grasp of omniscient logic is so weak that it wouldn't ever translate to the extra universal. Ya and we will never know, that's beyond our brainlet minds, but the possibility of us being in a similar box and those implications are rather terrifying for me.

[Anonymous No.10307371]

>>10304394
>Not being smart enough to separate your own feelings from all the mental gymnastics and breakthroughts that pass through your mind due to genius level intellect.
brainlet, please

[Anonymous No.10307375]

>>10304394
>doesn't recognize that existential crysis is the purest waste of time and energy possible
Smart people are productive, bro.

[Anonymous No.10307382]

>>10307375
Stupid people are productive. Smart people recognize the pointlessness of productivity.

[Anonymous No.10307392]

>>10306234
This only works if you’re too stupid to recognize how rigged everything is. It’s evil to contribute to a society where parasites reap all the benefits. The people who actually keep society running so that actors, athletes, businessmen and other parasites can luxuriate get literally nothing for their labor.

[Anonymous No.10307511]

>>10307375
american mindset

[Anonymous No.10307534]

>>10307511
Nope, eurofag here. Studied biology though so maybe that's why the concept of wasting any resources (time, energy, etc.) is just plain stupid to me.

[Anonymous No.10307546]

>>10307382
>what's the point of washing myself if I'll get dirty again anyway
Spoken like a true NEET dwelling in mommy's basement. I'm glad civilization will collapse soon, removing access to this kind of lifestyle.

[Anonymous No.10307548]

>>10304490
Thinking about such things would mean hard. The Consumers must stay busy at all times keeping themselves content and bloated feasting on the world's resources, and making plants to facilitate such. They would rather not think about how their gluttony is merely just another force of nature, accelerating the descent "to the lowest possible energy". In fact, The Consumers tend to take pride in their own personal contribution to achieving the "lowest possible energy".

The Consumers are actually members of a sick cult, all competing and driving each other to be the best possible little entropy creators they can be. They all follow the Good Book of Economics, their god is Mammon, and they won't stop until literally everything is dead.

[Anonymous No.10307550]

>>10307382
>Stupid people are productive. Smart people recognize the pointlessness of productivity.

[Anonymous No.10307555]

>>10304394
Literal retard.

[Anonymous No.10307564]

>>10307548
>The Consumers are actually members of a sick cult, all competing and driving each other to be the best possible little entropy creators they can be.
Sounds a bit like scientology. lol. they even made a mockery of the word science.

[Anonymous No.10307640]

>>10307358
Agreed. You bring up a valid, and quite disturbing, fact. Imagine an omniscient being willing is to exist in a place that allows for such hate and aggression. Surely an all-knowing, all-powerful being could have foreseen what we could and would do. If we were intelligently designed, the creator certainly isn't a loving one.

[Anonymous No.10308035]

>>10307548
The Consumers don't grieve not the loss of elephants, or rhinos, or forests, or oceans.

The Consumers drive by the homeless in their Range Rovers and feel nothing.

The Consumers respect only those who have the the strength and lack the conscience to Take whatever they want from whomever they can.

A dead planet. This is what a modern religious movement that rationalizes basic primeval instinctual drive combined with billions of people of either low intelligence or low moral character gives us. The Consumers.

[Anonymous No.10308038]

>>10304394
I've suffred depression since I was like 8, it's a family thing, but my Iq is probably 130 max, what gives?

[Anonymous No.10308041]

>>10307640
Ya somewhat. I agree with this, but without the leddit atheism angst. What I meant though was that logic itself was omniscient. That it is possible that there exists some form of logic that permeates all dimensions and universes, and that is the logic we are attempting to grasp.

Also, it's certainly possible that our suffering is necessary, because that's a fundamental reality. A tough love situation. I am in no way angry at the omniscient creator if there is one; how could I when at the same time I contribute to a system that is analogous?

In some way, suffering creates strength. Things are born out of their opposites in a weird way sometimes, and in that way it's necessary. The cruelty is in that being a fundamental mechanism though. And I understand that. But I cannot judge it, for I do not know its purpose and design.

[Anonymous No.10308119]

>>10304540
>>10304529
>>10304518
>>10304476
These types of replies are cringey as fuck.

[Anonymous No.10308130]

>>10308119
Your reply is “cringey” as fuck.

[Anonymous No.10308135]

>>10308041
>Also, it's certainly possible that our suffering is necessary, because that's a fundamental reality.

No it isn’t. Negative sensations are caused by neurology. They don’t “need” to exist.

[Anonymous No.10308169]

>>10306102
i get this too, its so surreal and lot of people just call you crazy and laugh for just bringing it up. Cant help but think every one gets this feeling and there is a mass psychological subconcious drive to "shut down" anything like that that provokes that level of thought about reality

[Anonymous No.10308178]

>>10308169
Why do you continue to assume that “nothing” is something (uh oh) that even exists as a coherent idea?

[Anonymous No.10308182]

>>10304540
you have some major coping skills my man

[Anonymous No.10308190]

>>10308178
Not exactly the phrase "something instead of nothing", but just nihlism in general the complete and total strangeness of existing.

[Anonymous No.10308195]

It doesn't take a high IQ to get an existential crisis. Everyone experiences the meaninglessness of everything on a regular basis. We all know the empty feeling, when there's no emotional stimulus to fill the gap, to give us that warm fuzzy feeling like what we're doing actually matters.
Like walking through an abandoned mall at night. Everything is still there, but it's lifeless, and it allows us to realize that it's the people visiting who make it come to life. Without people creating meaning there is no meaning. Or going home alone after a party. The atmosphere is gone, the emotional high has worn off and you come back to an empty and cold reality.

[Anonymous No.10308197]

>>10308178
Nothing can exist and does exist as a coherent idea.

[Anonymous No.10308202]

>>10308182
Not coping with anything. I just don’t care about unfalsifiable things.

>>10308190
I don’t find it very strange. I know of no other state, so I can’t possibly define it as “strange”.

>>10308195
Almost like your ape brain wants you to be active.

[Anonymous No.10308206]

>>10308197
>Nothing can exist

Citation needed.

>and does exist as a coherent idea.

No it doesn’t, because defining the word “nothing” immediately creates contradiction since that’s something.

[Anonymous No.10308214]

>>10308206
If I lose all of my money and belongings, I have nothing. Its completely coherent and useful.

[Anonymous No.10308224]

>>10308202
you sound like the type that denies consciousness exists

[Anonymous No.10308225]

>>10304422
You forgot
4) Not caring

I honestly never understood why people were so upset about things being illogical or impermanent. It doesn't bother me, personally.

[Anonymous No.10308245]

>>10308225
It could bother you if the world goes through another 20th century bout of nihilism.

[Anonymous No.10308267]

>>10308214
>If I lose all of my money and belongings, I have nothing. Its completely coherent and useful.

No you don’t. You have a body.

>>10308224
>you sound like the type that denies consciousness exists

>Lol I made stuff up about you to fit my own biases haha

What? No. Consciousness exists as a process undertaken by animal brains.

[Anonymous No.10308278]

>>10308267
>No you don’t. You have a body.
Words dont reflect truth, they are only used insofar as they are useful.

[Anonymous No.10308290]

>>10304394
>whoa dude I’m so paralyzed by these unanswerable questions
Literally who cares. The universe exists, it’s an open question as to why, but I’m not going to waste my time freaking out over it, and neither should you.

[Anonymous No.10308311]

>>10308290
Maybe you're a p-zombie

[Anonymous No.10308322]

>>10308278
>Words dont reflect truth, they are only used insofar as they are useful.

The “nothing” you are talking about, the lack of physical possessions one can exchange, destroy, create, lose, etc, is not the sort of nothing being discussed.

[Anonymous No.10308325]

>>10308135
You made a non-sequitor. Neurology of suffering doesn't preclude its necessity. It can still be necessary as a general mechanism. I'm saying that suffering may be a fundamental mechanism of the universe in some areas. That is a cruel mechanism, but I also don't want to impose any judgments because in the end I do not know anything deeper about its purpose, alternatives, etc.

You seem a little closed off and unwilling to discuss. This is all speculation and rather pointless, so open your mind man, try to imagine possibilities rather than reach definitive conclusions. We will never know these answers. Your approach is unyielding.

[Anonymous No.10308328]

>>10308311
maybe you took babby’s first philosophy class and are trying too hard to impress on a forum for chinese cartoons

[Anonymous No.10308343]

>>10308328
Maybe

[Anonymous No.10308345]

>>10308245
You're damn right. People like OP are a big pain in the ass.

The universe being illogical will not change anything about your life unless you let it. Why would anyone let it? "Existential crisis" is just a disguise to cry about other things while feeling smart.

[Anonymous No.10308388]

>>10308322
you could say that nothing but space and time exist, and the question would be just as profound and interesting, there is no contradiction when the ultimate point is to convey a point in the first place, not crystallize objective truth.

[Anonymous No.10308406]

>>10308325
>You made a non-sequitor

Nope.

>Neurology of suffering doesn't preclude its necessity.

Yes it does. It’s not necessary for organisms in a universe to experience negative sensations for the universe to exist.

>It can still be necessary as a general mechanism.

In evolution, obviously. Organisms must react adversely to sensations like intense heat or the breaking of cell membranes.

>I'm saying that suffering may be a fundamental mechanism of the universe in some areas.

No it isn’t. It’s a fundamental part of evolutionary biology and general ecology, because organisms would be pretty dogshit in terms of natural selection if getting their legs bitten off didn’t cause them to experience “pain”.

>That is a cruel mechanism, but I also don't want to impose any judgments because in the end I do not know anything deeper about its purpose, alternatives, etc.

There’s nothing to judge.

>You seem a little closed off and unwilling to discuss. This is all speculation and rather pointless, so open your mind man, try to imagine possibilities rather than reach definitive conclusions. We will never know these answers. Your approach is unyielding.

Why would you ever bother yourself about the unverifiable?

[Anonymous No.10308700]

>>10308119
I agree. Philosophy, particularly metaphysics is for spergy pseudo neckbeards.

[Anonymous No.10308729]

>>10308406
I never claimed that suffering was necessary for the universe to exist. I am only claiming that it's a necessary part of experience. It's a necessary part of the universe for "chaos" to breed "order". Ecology, evolution, etc. are "parts" of the universe.

Why bother myself? Because it's natural to wonder about things beyond.

This is what I mean, half of your objections are just because you're a disagreeable person, unnecessarily so. You create conflict where there isn't any.

[Anonymous No.10308806]

>>10304425
>It is absolutely, 100% illogical that such a thing as a universe should exist.

[Anonymous No.10308810]

>>10304394
>not finding the solutions to all your existential crises a few minutes after having them
And that's how I know you have middling intelligence

[Anonymous No.10308818]

>>10304468

[Anonymous No.10308938]

>>10307358
This anon >>10308135 isn't me, and
neither is >>10308729. I don't want to throw all of myself into just one school of thought, because as we have shown, there's so much we have to learn. And I do appreciate the input as well. It is certainly true that even an omniscient being may not be able to avoid inevitable situations. Who knows, maybe >>>/hr/ is onto something and Taylor Swift really is a goddess.