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>Makes one of the most important scientific discoveries of all time
>Has all honors stripped, forced to sell Nobel prize for making (true) scientific statements
How is science not considered a total joke? Why aren't people more enraged about this?

>> No.10301227

>>10301212
Wrong thinking is illegal anon

>> No.10301237

>>10301212
It's just a few loud ideologues. More and more articles on nature overcoming nurture are making it to publication and you even have people like Steven Pinker of all acknowledging human population differences.

The people stripping him aren't scientists, they have zero interest in objective pursuits but unfortunately they have high positions in scientific bodies. It's slipping though. Im a doctor and i can talk about differences between races with colleagues with no issue, so long as it's clearly objective and not overly dogmatic.

>> No.10301238

>>10301227
isn't this obvious? look at pedos, if people find out you're one they'll send you away, you don't have to do anything, just the wrong thoughts is enough
this is nothing new

>> No.10301248

>>10301237
>Im a doctor and i can talk about differences between races with colleagues with no issue,
Medical science literally depends on the acknowledgement of physiological differences between races or people will die (directly rather than indirectly). Can you bring up mental differences though?

>> No.10301252

But is he really right? I know the /pol/tards around here will give him immediate credence because they hate black people, but hasn't modern biology dispensed with the concept of hman races?

>> No.10301255

>>10301252
>but hasn't modern biology dispensed with the concept of hman races?
Bruh moment

>> No.10301256
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10301256

>>10301212
eritability doesn't think what you think it means.
Excerpt:
>Misconceptions of the Heritability Concept
>There are a number of common misconceptions on the exact meaning and interpretation of heritability (Visscher et. al., 2008). Heritability is not the proportion of a phenotype that is genetic, but rather the proportion of phenotypic variance that is due to genetic factors. Heritability is a population parameter and, therefore, it depends on population-specific factors, such as allele frequencies, the effects of gene variants, and variation due to environmental factors. It does not necessarily predict the value of heritability in other populations (or other species). Nevertheless, it is surprising how constant heritabilities are across populations and species (Visscher et. al., 2008).
Cont.

>> No.10301259
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10301259

>>10301212
Excerpt:
>Heritability Is Not Necessarily Constant
>Interestingly, heritabilities are not constant. For example, estimates of heritability for first lactation milk yield in dairy cattle nearly doubled from approximately 25% in the 1970s to roughly 40% in recent times. Heritability can change over time because the variance in genetic values can change, the variation due to environmental factors can change, or the correlation between genes and environment can change. Genetic variance can change if allele frequencies change (e.g., due to selection or inbreeding), if new variants come into the population (e.g., by migration or mutation), or if existing variants only contribute to genetic variance following a change in genetic background or the environment. The same trait measured over an individual's lifetime may have different genetic and environmental effects influencing it, such that the variances become a function of age. For example, variance in weight at birth is influenced by maternal uterine environment, and variance in weight at weaning depends on maternal milk production, but variance of mature adult weight is unlikely to be influenced by maternal factors, which themselves have both a genetic and environmental component. Heritabilities may be manipulated by changing the variance contributed by the environment. Empirical evidence for morphometric traits suggests lower heritabilities in poorer environments, but not for traits more closely related to fitness (Charmantier & Garant, 2005). Understanding how heritability changes with environmental stressors is important for understanding evolutionary forces in natural populations (Charmantier & Garant, 2005).

>>10301256
>*Heritability...

>> No.10301265

>>10301212
Because he was wrong

>> No.10301268

>>10301212
>>10301256
>>10301259
So, if you wanted to prove the premise of Watson's argument, to do so you need to perform a wide genetic study of the various genetically distinct populations around the world, and record the occurrence of genetic information responsible for intelligence.
Until you've done this, this is an unsubstantiated claim, based upon a false metholodogy.

>> No.10301277

>>10301268
And then, you would also need to make a compelling argument for the Western concept of intelligence, to be any more valid than the concept of intelligence of other cultures.

>> No.10301278

>>10301212
if he wouldn't have been such a dickhead to all his colleagues all his life long maybe some would actually stand up for him.

the racial stuff was more like the straw to break the camel's back. dude is a grade a asshole and was very disliked by the scientific community for most of his life.

>> No.10301279

>>10301248
Yeah but I always make sure to say asians have a higher iq as part of the conversation. Harder to accuse someone of racism if they're not saying they're the best. We also have to talk about arab low iq a lot because i work in an area with a lot and they all inbreed leading to poor intelligence.

>> No.10301287

>>10301279
>The false assumption that between-group differences can be inferred from within-group differences forms the major part of the hereditarian fallacy (Gould, 1981).
See (and actually read):
>>10301256
>>10301259
>>10301268
>>10301277
Thank you.

>> No.10301288

>>10301252
Race is ill-defined the same way color is ill-defined. It's hard to say at what point yellow becomes orange, but if I gave you a lemon and an orange, you would have no difficulty determining the colour

>> No.10301295

>>10301288
Color is defined by wave length of the light, so very clear and non-arbitrary.

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10301299

>>10301212
>>Has all honors stripped
This won't happen until they decide to start saying someone else discovered DNA's double helical molecular structure. It's bullshit that they took away those other honors but he still has the most important one.

>> No.10301301

>>10301256
There is no "cultural bias" in IQ testing, such a notion is ridiculous. IQ testing checks your ability to logically solve basic problems, they'll give you a series of boxes and ask you to pick the odd one out. A culturally biased question would be asking a Korean questions about King Henry VIII.

Until a wide-scale study is done, we will have to make do with the facts, that blacks are less intelligent.

>> No.10301303

>>10301295
And race is determined by genetics, also very clear and non-arbitrary. Im talking about classification right now, not the underlying cause

>> No.10301306

>>10301268
>Hurrr you need to find every gene responsible for intelligence to infer it's hereditary
Literal retard argument
>>10301277
>And then, you would also need to make a compelling argument for the Western concept of intelligence, to be any more valid than the concept of intelligence of other cultures.
This proves you have literally no idea what you're talking about. Actually read some race & IQ apologetics before acting like you know what you're talking about or quit wasting everyone's time.

>> No.10301307

>>10301301
I think you should reread the picture excerpt at >>10301256, it explains clearly what is meant by a culture bias and how culture effects it.

>> No.10301309

>>10301227
thoughtcrime

>> No.10301310

>>10301303
You mean race IS genetics, right anon?

>> No.10301313

>>10301303
Race is not determined by genetics, huuman genetic clustering is determined by genetics, and human genetic clustering does not map to the notion of anthropological race.

>> No.10301321

>>10301303
No, race is arbitrary taxonomy, meanwhile colors arent, because for example blue light has actually different characteristics than red light.

>> No.10301322

>>10301313
>and human genetic clustering does not map to the notion of anthropological race
Does selection simply stop when it comes to human groups so that human clusters never diverge? Or has not enough time passed?

>> No.10301325
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10301325

>>10301212

James Watson quotes:
https://liorpachter.wordpress.com/2018/05/18/james-watson-in-his-own-words/

>Some anti-Semitism is justified
>Whenever you interview fat people, you feel bad, because you know you’re not going to hire them

>All our social policies are based on the fact that [Africans] intelligence is the same as ours – whereas all the testing says not really
>I think having all these women around makes it more fun for the men but they’re probably less effective
>And there’s a difference on the average between blacks and whites on I.Q. tests. I would say the difference is, it’s genetic

>There is a biochemical link between exposure to sunlight and sexual urges.. that’s why you have Latin lovers
>[The] historic curse of the Irish.. is not alcohol, it’s not stupidity.. it’s ignorance
>People say it would be terrible if we made all girls pretty. I think [doing so by genetic selection] would be great

>The one aspect of the Jewish brain that is not 1st class is that Jews are said to be bad in thinking in 3 dimensions.. it is true
>Women are supposedly bad at 3 dimensions
>People ask about [Rosalind Franklin] and I always say ‘autism'

>[Francis Crick] may have been a bit autistic
>Indians in [my] experience [are] servile.. because of selection under the caste system
>Women at Oxford and Cambridge are better than Harvard and Yale because they know their job is to look pretty and get a rich husband
>People who have to deal with black employees find [that they are equal] not true

>East Asian students [tend] to be conformist, because of selection for conformity in ancient Chinese society
>[Linus Pauling] was probably always half-insane
>Anyone who would hire an ecologist is out of his mind

>[Rosalind Franklin] was a loser
>Disabled individuals are genetic losers
>My former colleagues are pinkos and shits

>> No.10301326

>>10301299
>This won't happen until they decide to start saying someone else discovered DNA's double helical molecular structure
Funny you mention it, they're already trying to revise history saying Rosalind Franklin actually discovered the double helix structure and Watson & Crick just stole the credit.
https://www.theguardian.com/science/2015/jun/23/sexism-in-science-did-watson-and-crick-really-steal-rosalind-franklins-data

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10301336

>>10301322
You're simply wrong.
Take haplogroup, and so-called race.
They do not map well, however, what we do see is components, and they vary by population, and populations that do not fix race will also when intermix of these components in varying degrees, when geologically near, or due to migration.
Therefore, race is not "cut and dried".

>> No.10301337

>>10301336
>*geologically = geographically

>> No.10301339

>>10301256
>but what about cultures in which there's no generally available schooling

These tests were done on blacks in America, they had access to schooling for generations. If we were talking about Africans maybe you'd have a point, but even then the difference schooling has on IQ tests is small, sitting all day in maths and science will not make you that much faster in problem solving.

>> No.10301345

>>10301306
>hereditary
See: >>10301256
You don't understand what that means in this context.

>> No.10301347

>>10301339
They still do not have the same culture as White Americans, for whom IQ tests were designed in the first place.
Also, there is a genetic component to culture:
Abstract:
>Genes and culture are often thought of as opposite ends of the nature–nurture spectrum, but here we examine possible interactions. Genetic association studies suggest that variation within the genes of central neurotransmitter systems, particularly the serotonin (5-HTTLPR, MAOA-uVNTR) and opioid (OPRM1 A118G), are associated with individual differences in social sensitivity, which reflects the degree of emotional responsivity to social events and experiences. Here, we review recent work that has demonstrated a robust cross-national correlation between the relative frequency of variants in these genes and the relative degree of individualism–collectivism in each population, suggesting that collectivism may have developed and persisted in populations with a high proportion of putative social sensitivity alleles because it was more compatible with such groups. Consistent with this notion, there was a correlation between the relative proportion of these alleles and lifetime prevalence of major depression across nations. The relationship between allele frequency and depression was partially mediated by individualism–collectivism, suggesting that reduced levels of depression in populations with a high proportion of social sensitivity alleles is due to greater collectivism. These results indicate that genetic variation may interact with ecological and social factors to influence psychocultural differences.
Citation:
>https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2894685/

>> No.10301357

>>10301277
Is this bait?

>> No.10301359

>>10301326
>saying Rosalind Franklin actually discovered the double helix structure
She did, that's a big part of what she contributed to the project, as well as working out how the molecule differed when it was hydrated. The Nobel was "for their discoveries concerning the molecular structure of nucleic acids and its significance for information transfer in living material.", so the entire thing they all did together wasn't just on the structure/shape, it includes things like the central dogma and how the structure works with replication and transcription. She didn't get the Nobel because she died, if she had it would probably have been in chemistry with Wilkins rather than in medicine because she was more concerned with the structure side.

>> No.10301361

>>10301256
> gillham
Everyone ignore this absolute shit. It's disingenuous, paper thin nonsense.

>> No.10301362

>>10301357
Re-read the picture excerpt in >>10301256, it makes clear what is meant by cultural differences and gives due evidence.
Also, before you mentioned X race outside of X culture see: >>10301347

>> No.10301363

>>10301361
>I only disagree with one study, therefore it's all wrong!
What about the many other studies cited throughout my posts? Try again, my friend, you're being intellectually disingenuous.

>> No.10301365

>>10301362
That was my first post you stupid idiot. Stop babbling.

>> No.10301370

>>10301363
When you open with garbage im not inclined to think you're worth listening to. Try better next time.

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10301371

>>10301361
>>10301363
Also, that still means you have to consider:
As they do not use that study, but others.

>> No.10301373

The "scientific community" is a joke, science isn't.

>> No.10301376

>>10301373
You mean the self styled "scientific community". Polling shows the mode of scientists are sympathetic to racial differences.

>> No.10301377

>>10301347
> for whom IQ tests were designed in the first place.

Then why do Asians have no issue scoring high on IQ tests? In many cases, higher than white Americans? How can you make a simple puzzle or maths question culturally biased? And blacks in America, who speak English and live among white Americans, will have more in common with white culture than East Asians who have never been to America, why to they still score higher?

I'm well aware of the genetic component of culture, everyone on 4chan should be familiar with the concept since it's central to /pol/'s (the biggest board of this site) arguments. But you have yet to explain how this has anything to do with IQ testing.

Again, IQ Tests check your ability to solve basic logical problems, they require you to notice minute differences between shapes. If I put three coconuts and a watermelon in a line, will you complain that blacks are not culturally able to see which fruit stands out?

>> No.10301389

>>10301212
How much did he sell his nobel prize for?
Isn't there a money prize along with the nobel prize? If he got at least $1 mil, he should've been set for life.

>> No.10301394

>>10301377
>Then why do Asians have no issue scoring high on IQ tests?
Because of cultural similarity?
>In many cases, higher than white Americans?
Perhaps their culture values Western g-loaded traits more?
>And blacks in America, who speak English and live among white Americans, will have more in common with white culture than East Asians who have never been to America, why to they still score higher?
Which could possibly explain their improvement in IQ tests, but still not on par with "natives" of that culture.

>> No.10301395

>>10301377
He's plain wrong. He even said IQ tests were developed for white Americans. He has zero idea what IQ is.

>> No.10301397

>>10301389
Some based billionaire bought it and gave it back to him.

>> No.10301402

>>10301389
He got his Nobel returned back to him, it was a bit of a publicity stunt.

>> No.10301403
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10301403

>>10301395
But I do.

>> No.10301406

>>10301389
https://www.theguardian.com/science/2014/dec/09/russian-billionaire-usmanov-james-watson-nobel-prize-return-scientist
A Russian billionaire bought it for $4 million and gave it back to him. I don't think he's in any trouble financially but it's sad it came to that in the first place

>> No.10301408

>>10301395
>>10301403
Also, they were developed in a Western culture, and White Americans are part of that Western culture, and natives of that culture due to their European ancestry.

>> No.10301410

>>10301394
>Which could possibly explain their improvement in IQ tests, but still not on par with "natives" of that culture.
This is much more easily explained by the fact that blacks in the US have significant white admixture.

>> No.10301411

>>10301212
He didn't just say that blacks have lower IQ. He said we should have race-based laws. He's a moron.

>> No.10301412

>>10301403
Irrelevant pic. However if you want to tall about childhood development in medicine there are different expected accomplishments by age by race. Blacks for instance reach physical milestones early but mental considerably slower.

>> No.10301413

>>10301347
You're right. African culture is decidedly against education and science, which is why they have had zero contributions and live in mud huts.

>> No.10301416

>>10301408
> muh cultural paradigm
> relativism
Go read a philosophy book beyond Das Kapital.

>> No.10301418

>>10301325
How can one man be so based?

>> No.10301421

>>10301411
He's not wrong really.

>> No.10301426

>>10301394
>Because of cultural similarity?
Asians? East fucking Asians? The only part of the world we had little interaction with back when the Romans, the first major Western civilization had already invaded and conquered parts of Africa and Egypt? Japan, whose culture is so alien and strange to Americans it captured the imaginations of a generation and created weebs, anime fans and led to the creation of this website?

The Chinese who developed a civilization completely independant of the Western world, with different Gods, traditions, clothing, values, diet and have only recently agreed to show American movies in their country? THESE people have a stronger cultural similarity to America that the blacks who have lived in America for over 200 fucking years, who have the same language, religion, education and listen to the same music as white Americans?

I'll slap you silly you fucking retard.

>> No.10301428

>>10301411
why are you calling him a moron? what is illogical about having laws based on race if race is real? what you mean to say is he is immoral, which is also false. you are immoral.

>> No.10301432

>>10301421
>>10301428
And Hitler did nothing wrong either, right fellas?

>> No.10301434

>>10301411
I guess he was a fan of Apartheid?

>>10301412
Irrelevant how? That's WHAT they TEST FOR in Standford-Binet and WAIS-R respectively, unless you're unaware, those are IQ tests.

>>10301416
Imagine being this angry, you can't even make a coherent argument.

>> No.10301435

>>10301426
>Asians? East fucking Asians? The only part of the world we had little interaction with back when the Romans, the first major Western civilization had already invaded and conquered parts of Africa and Egypt?
Look at the migration of people, and the development of culture. For instance:
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proto-Indo-Europeans
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indo-European_migrations

>I'll slap you silly you fucking retard.
And that's where you lost my interest, and the argument. Sad.

>> No.10301436

>>10301432
>hitler

wow you sure refuted me.

hitler thought IQ tests were bs because Jews scored higher on them, btw

>> No.10301437

>race is discrete and separate
>mixed race individuals don't exist
yikes!

>> No.10301439

>>10301436
I'm talking about race-based laws only.

>> No.10301440

>>10301336
Do you lack a understanding of genetics? Haplogroups are not a classification of race not really a classifications of anything revelevnt to the argument. This is because most haplogroups were inherited 20,000+ years ago. They don’t pass on like genetic admixture since they remain constant unless a mutation occurs. Someone might have inherited a haplogroup from a distant population but they can still be nearly 100% of their local population due to the generations based. Either way groups are constantly diverging from each other and given enough time would become separate species. As it stands now humans exist in several sub-species like bears and dogs.

>> No.10301441

>>10301437
That's to do with a different mix of genetic components, and their expression as phenotypes.
Not, "race".
See: >>10301336

>> No.10301443

>>10301212
I'm more mad that he's racist

>> No.10301446

>>10301437
The existence of mutt dog breeds doesn’t mean pure breeds don’t exist

>> No.10301447

>>10301440
Lmao, somatic DNA maps even less to the geographical classifications of anthropological race.

>> No.10301450

>>10301437
This is probably the worst race/IQ argument I've ever seen

>> No.10301455
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>>10301440
>>10301447
For instance:
That maps even less than haplogroups.

>> No.10301457

>>10301447
Did you even read my argument?

>> No.10301460

>>10301435
There is no argument, you have made claims and they have been disproven, you have no real argument to defend your views, you have done everything to ignore those who have pointed out logic can have no cultural bias, you have made foolish claims about cultural similarities.

>> No.10301462

>>10301455
How is this revelevnt? I’m not arguing on phenotype here, we vary much more than just on phenotype.

>> No.10301464

>>10301457
Did you? Because you keep grasping at different threads, whilst misunderstanding the main issue between the whole thing:
>>10301256 and using within-group differences, and validation of between-group differencs.
It just doesn't work.

>> No.10301468

>>10301464
>*... as validation...

>>10301462
Then what genetic make-up are you using for race? Because none it seems to map to what you want it to.

>> No.10301469

>>10301439
Why not? One size fits all is a silly approach when blacks are objectively far less intelligent than other groups.

They're already given special treatment thanks to diversity laws, you're only against this because fair treatment would be a huge negative for you.

>> No.10301470

>>10301464
That’s not me, my first post was >>10301440 but keep hitting at those strawmans

>> No.10301472

>>10301464
That source has already been disproven multiple times. Do you have a credible source for your claims?

>> No.10301473

>>10301237
Jesus Christ I left /g/ because of the nontechies pushing "diversity" and I get the same rubbish here. Life is suffering.

>> No.10301474

>>10301469
The main goal of science is to generalize, generalizing across races is objectively better science and also morally correct. A definitive win-win for everyone involved except for (((them))).

>> No.10301476

>>10301469
>... objectively far less intelligent than other groups.
But still provides no proof of this claim, bar IQ tests and their heritability, which relies on comparing within-group differences as between-group differencs. Which, as you've guessed it, isn't valid.

>> No.10301479

>>10301472
Only the first par, >>10301371 is still valid. Try again.

>> No.10301482

>>10301474
>The main goal of science is to generalize...
Said no one, ever.

>> No.10301493

>>10301265
No one's shown that to be true, it seems more likely it's because what he said is politically incorrect.
>>10301268
So Watson was stripped of all titles for making a controversial hypothesis that seems justifiable based on basic observation?
If you aren't allowed to form the hypothesis, you aren't going to be allowed to take the steps you describe, since your titles and honors will be stripped for wrongthink.

>> No.10301495

>>10301212
>Do something good
>Do something bad
>We can't punish him for doing something bad

>> No.10301497

>>10301493
>So Watson was stripped of all titles for making a controversial hypothesis that seems justifiable based on basic observation?
I agree, it was wrong.

>> No.10301503

>>10301476
>score lower on IQ tests
>Never invented anything of note
>No scientific breakthroughs
>Cannot run a functioning society
>Unable to do basic jobs
>Fail in academia despite preferential treatment
>Need diversity laws holding white people back to compete
>Africa is a shithole
>Much higher crime rates
>Middle class blacks commit more crime than lower class whites
>Less empathy
>Unable to plan long-term

Objectively far less intelligent than other groups, and IQ tests are perfectly valid, logical thinking works the exact same across all countries and cultures.

>> No.10301507
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10301507

>>10301468
Have you honestly never seen a genetic principal component analysis? Just how retarded are you?

>> No.10301509

>>10301495
What bad thing did he do? Form a controversial hypothesis based on 90 years of observation?
This is an intentional chilling effect, a precursor to a dark age of science where you can only put forth SJW approved hypothesis, or your titles are stripped, reality be damned.

>> No.10301511

>>10301212

He has probably gone a little senile and his best work and sharpest thinking are well behind him. Just because he achieved high acclaim once does not mean every little thing he says or does should be held in the same high regard. His comments on their own are inflammatory (understandably) but more importantly do NOT have any substantial scientific basis or backing. He has not cited any studies or research to tie in with what he said. It is all 'my observations...' and anecdotal which are not good enough. I admit there is a catch-22 to the situation - how can one cite resarch to support such a claim when the very research would be shouted down before it began? That is his problem though (and those who want to pursue such work). What good would it ultimately do for society in general?

I would also point out that one of the only people to have won TWO nobel prizes became a nutter who advocated vitamin C as the cure for everything.

>> No.10301512

>>10301413
> African culture is decidedly against education and science, which is why they have had zero contributions and live in mud huts.
As opposed to the Europeans, which build tremendous, intricate civilizations. And then burn it to the ground every 50 years or so.

>> No.10301514

>>10301511
There's no evidence that he is senile and he was actively working in his field until he got stripped of all titles and honors for making a hypothesis based on basic observation, because it was controversial.

>> No.10301516

>>10301511
Maybe he's observed people for 90 years and we haven't, and made a hypothesis based on those nine decades of data accumulation. It's at least as valid as global warming.

>> No.10301517

>>10301507
>Therefore this means race.
How? If anything, this shows how ill-defined race is. We know populations cluster, it doesn't mean they're the same "race".

>> No.10301520

>>10301503
Exactly, by Western standards. Yet, they're were still perfectly success within their own culture, until European and Arabic aggression.

>> No.10301521

>>10301520
>*successful

>> No.10301523

>>10301517
You're pretty retarded if you can't easily see that someone's heritage is from the congo vs it being from spain, and if you don't naturally recognize that they are a different 'race' then you're lying to yourself. Any argument otherwise is just moral posturing and unethical lying.

>> No.10301525

>>10301517
How stupid can one person be? Genetic population clusters IS what race classifies

>> No.10301528

>>10301509
Form a controversial hypothesis that includes calling 70% of the planet inferior beings, without any actual study. Titles of honor are titles of honor, it's only normal people don't want to honor him.

>> No.10301529

>>10301520
Blacks are dumber than all human groups on this planet minus the Aboriginals.

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10301533

>>10301523
>>10301525
I suggest you read that.
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_genetic_clustering#Controversy_of_genetic_clustering_and_associations_with_%22race%22
If the image it too low resolution for you.

>> No.10301537

>>10301525
No, race is classified on phenotype, which isn't rigorous.
Caucasoid, for instance, literally refers to the skull shape (a phenotypic trait).

>> No.10301539

>>10301533
Out of curiosity, what is your definition of race?

>> No.10301542

>>10301528
So in other words,
>from a controversial hypothesis
The rest of your post is fluff. if race is real and some races are generally more intelligent than others should the knowledge be suppressed by force? It seems to me that you think so, you don't care about the truth of the matter at all. One of the most credible scientists of all time made a hypothesis you don't like and your shit community banned him immediately.
This shows the real state of modern state funded, corporate controlled science.
>Science says
is the new catholic church.

>> No.10301543

>>10301533
Race is real though, whatever semantics you pull race is actually real because all races have the same behavior. All whites are virtue seeking lunatics no matter where they are born, all blacks are violent savages, all jews are evil, all asians are pragmatic and logical.

>> No.10301548

>>10301482
Good thing I said it then.

>> No.10301549

>>10301533
>please read this propaganda piece from my controlled hangout.

>> No.10301550

>>10301539
Something like:
>"Race is merely a shorthand that enables us to speak sensibly, though with no great precision, about genetic rather than cultural or political differences."

>>10301543
Yes, it is real, but not as a scientific concept.

>> No.10301553

>>10301542
Science is very reason we think blacks are not human to begin with, as science proved they are very different from us decades ago. That information is now banned because it would be curtains for the african beast if modern whites knew the truth about them.

>> No.10301555

>>10301549
It comes with citations, you disingenuous neo-Luddite.

>> No.10301558

>>10301537
>race is classified on phenotype
Only retards classify race as only phenotypical. Genetic distance is the true classification. It honestly just feels like you’re arguing on the semantics of race.

Put simply race is genetic clusters, anyone tells you otherwise is a retard. Anyone who denies genetic clusters exist is a retard.

>> No.10301559

>>10301553
What studies exactly?

>> No.10301563

>>10301553
Okay dude that's not what I meant, get the fuck outta here. I mean that if there are racial differences, some here would rather suppress and lie about them than be open about it. They'd rather ban the greatest scientists than let them say wrongthink. White supremacists disgust me, don't even try to buddy up to me.

>> No.10301566

>>10301469
Name ONE policy that is race-based and also not straight up unfair discrimination.

>> No.10301568

>>10301558
>... the only true...
Lmao, how much more ambiguous can you get?
Caucasoids, are classified Caucasoid because of their skull, this means that Ethiopids are Caucasoid, but they're clearly not "White".

>> No.10301571

>>10301212

>His racist views are a product of his time

Apparently he's wrong because he's old af and adheres to old ways of thinking.

>> No.10301573

>>10301563
>white supremacist disgust me
Thank you for confirming a white like you is a virtue seeking lunatic, no other race on this planet besides my insane race has an issue with thinking they are better than people because of their race. You are silent on black supremacist, jew supremacist, or mexican supremacist but its only whites who disgust you its so hypocritical.

>> No.10301574

>>10301432
He did a lot tactically wrong during the war. He was a terrible military figure.

>> No.10301576

>>10301555
>it comes with citations
Cherry picked to support a preconceived agenda, you useful idiot. I remember when "creeping fascism" was removed from Wikipedia years and years ago, despite being a 100 year old term with consistent meaning through publication. Wikipedia is a controlled hangout and a leftist political tool, it does not follow its original mission statement at all.

>> No.10301578

>>10301568
Ethiopians dont have the same cheekbones as Caucasoids so try again.

>> No.10301579

>>10301434
wrong

>> No.10301580

>>10301573
Lol

>> No.10301581

>Structure discovered by Pauling and Frankin
>Both accused of being commies
>Watson and Crick steal Franklin's papers
AWWSHEIT NIGGA WE NOBEL NOW

baka

>> No.10301583

>>10301573
All those other supremacists disgust me too and I'm arguing that Watson shouldn't have lost his honors and titles for making a hypothesis people don't like, fuck off.

>> No.10301588

>>10301268
easy. just look where the shitholes are and who is living in them. finished.

>> No.10301589

>>10301212
>>10301325
>>10301227
>>10301252
he's controversial because what he says resonates with people, they know that he is right
if he said most jews are lizard people, it wouldn't have resonated because its not true
this exploded because it confirms their suspicions, when you have a supposed hate fact and show it to someone, it blows their mind because they go I THOUGHT SO

>> No.10301594

>>10301542
>The rest of your post is fluff. if race is real and some races are generally more intelligent than others should the knowledge be suppressed by force?
Where was force used again?
> It seems to me that you think so, you don't care about the truth of the matter at all.
I don't care about non-science, which is psychology and most of what the term "intelligence" relies on.
>One of the most credible scientists of all time made a hypothesis you don't like and your shit community banned him immediately.
And more of these most credible sciences make contrary claims. His credibility can suck a dick. Nobody wanted to honour him for the entirety of his persona, so they cut association.
>This shows the real state of modern state funded, corporate controlled science.
Yeah okay, then he shouldn't associate with this science and it was a favor done to him to kick him out.

>> No.10301596

>>10301325
>>There is a biochemical link between exposure to sunlight and sexual urges.. that’s why you have Latin lovers

wouldn't also be something like cambodian lovers? thai lovers? dubai lovers?
I didn't knew sun only shun on latin america

>> No.10301598

>>10301578
Imagine actually using a classifications that hinges on such arbitrary classifications and calling it:
>objective
Lmao.

>> No.10301602

>>10301568
Exactly, that’s why phenotype is a flawed method of classification. Genetically the populations are relatively distant. I’m not arguing that the modern “black”, “white”, “asian” classifications are correct but rather that different populations exist that are genetically distant.

I argue on the concept that we exist as human subspecies, we can reproduce with each other but are genetically distant to the point of being distinct. I mean most of us aren’t even 100% Homo sapiens sapiens. Europeans and all Asians have around 5% of their genome inherited from neatherthal. Asians in addition have some denisovan admixture. Africans are on the other hand mostly homo sapiens with a bit of archaic African mixed in. The notion that we’re all exactly the same is ridiculous

>> No.10301603

>>10301576
You're an idiot, I've provided studies, you've provided opinion. Good bye.

>> No.10301609

Reminder: Watson wanted to bring back Jim Crow and Apartheid. This is why he is hated.

>> No.10301615

>>10301583
>All those other supremacists disgust me too
No they dont you hypocrite.

>stop being racist to black people its wrong
You should fuck off.

>> No.10301616

>>10301602
>I’m not arguing that the modern “black”, “white”, “asian” classifications are correct but rather that different populations exist that are genetically distant.
I agree with that.
>The notion that we’re all exactly the same is ridiculous
I never said that, in fact, I said the opposite. We are diverse genetically, even when we cluster. It isn't suffice enough to call that the modern concept of race.
I don't agree that we're all "one race", but we certainly aren't as well defined as the likes of /pol/ tries to use as argumentation for superiority.

>> No.10301619

>>10301598
All niggers have high genetic distance from eurasians, you have to be mentally retarded to think Ethiopians are the same race as us.

>> No.10301628

>>10301594
The 'force' used is that if you make a controversial hypothesis, all your honors and titles and ability to practice science in a meaningful way will be taken away from you, even if you are literally the most important biological scientist living in the world.
It means that a Chilling Effect has been created at the very onset of the scientific method, the formulation of hypothesis. If SJW does not approve of your hypothesis, you will be banned from science.
That's where force was used.
>I don't care about non science
Intelligence can be observed and I don't need to do a science experiment to see that a retarded person is retarded.
>I don't like his personality so who cares if he discoverd DNA and changed the whole world, you must conform to my political ideology or you must be erased from history!
Fuck off dude, you are a bringer of the dark ages.

>> No.10301629
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10301629

>>10301619 >>10301616 >>10301609 >>10301615 >>10301602 >>10301598 >>10301596 >>10301594 >>10301589

there are not only 3 races

there are 9 races (+ the mutts)

>> No.10301630

>>10301603
Not him but your studies were bottom of the pile quality, alternatively wildly incorrect and from joke researchers. Come better armed next time you intend to ideologically sway people.

>> No.10301631
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10301631

>>10301619
Well, that's what phenotypic classification you guys like to use says.
Look at:

>> No.10301633

>>10301629
Why do even lurk /sci/? You really need to go home, you're single-handedly ruining this board.

>>10301630
Go on then, give your analysis of them and why you don't consider them valid.

>> No.10301634

>>10301616
>doctors treat black patients differently than whites, prescribe different medications, give different healing regimens, treat pregnancy differently, but we should literally try and remove watson from history because he points out that there's no logical reason these differences stop there.

>> No.10301635

>>10301512
Funny enough Germany and Japan had the second and third biggest economies in the world in 1980 after they were bombed to dirty forty years ago. Worse than anything in Africa besides maybe the belgian congo. Nonwhites are worse than nukes for your country

>> No.10301636

>>10301629
American natives and East Asiatics are one race the Mongoloid.

>> No.10301638

>>10301634
>doctors treat black patients differently than whites, prescribe different medications, give different healing regimens, treat pregnancy differently
These are generally considered bad practice and result in bad outcomes for black patients.

>> No.10301639

>>10301634
Within-group differences aren't between-group differences.

>> No.10301645
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10301645

>>10301639 >>10301631 >>10301619 >>10301598
There is a continuum between from Caucasians to East-Asian

Blacks by other hand are a separate species

>> No.10301647

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