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https://news.sky.com/story/dna-pioneer-james-watson-stripped-of-honours-after-reckless-race-remarks-11606108

Anti-science factions pushing political agendas can make even a Nobel Prize winner into a pariah, ruin his career and strip him of honours, despite all the facts being on his side.
What can be done about this sort of thing /sci/?

>> No.10292590

we now live in democracy, socialism, left etc etc

just political will need to be changed in another direction

>> No.10292600

>>10292551
Darwin was the king of racists and there are fucking cities named after him today.

What are neo-Marxists going to do, erase everyone from history that ever said bad words?

>> No.10292625

>>10292600

>Darwin was the king of racists

No he wasn't. That's propaganda from creationists

>> No.10292629

>>10292600
Crick's legacy is fine, Franklin's legacy is fine, I see no issues.

>> No.10292636

>>10292625
He was the first race realist. Darwinism has pretty race based connotations.

>> No.10292650

Source: wikipedia

'In 2014, Watson decided to auction off his Nobel prize medal in view of his diminished income after the 2007 incident[119] and to use part of the funds raised by the sale to support scientific research.[120] The medal sold at auction at Christie's in December 2014 for US$4.1 million. Watson intended to contribute the proceeds to conservation work in Long Island and to funding research at Trinity College, Dublin,[121] as well as the purchase of artwork.[122] Watson is the first living Nobel recipient to auction the medal.[123]

The medal was subsequently returned to Watson by the purchaser, Uzbek tycoon Alisher Usmanov, who stated that Watson deserved the medal and that "a situation in which an outstanding scientist has to sell a medal recognising his achievements is unacceptable."'

based Usmanov

>> No.10292657

>>10292636
Race <realist>, that's how you know it's real. I'm a 911 truther myself.

>> No.10292658

>>10292636

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Charles_Darwin#Darwin_and_racism

>> No.10292660

>>10292629

>Crick's legacy is fine

Then what are all the allegations that Crick was tripping on acid and was only lucky when he come up with his idea? There is no proof yet most people are treating it as a fact. What would you call this if not taking away his credibility?

>> No.10292662

>>10292658
>rationalwiki
Alrighty then

>> No.10292666

>>10292662
>His taxidermy lessons in 1826 from the freed slave John Edmonstone, who he long recalled as "a very pleasant and intelligent man", reinforced his belief that black people shared the same feelings, and could be as intelligent as people of other races. He took the same attitude to native people he met on the Beagle voyage.[191] These attitudes were not unusual in Britain in the 1820s, much as it shocked visiting Americans. British society became more racist in mid century,[27] but Darwin remained strongly against slavery, against "ranking the so-called races of man as distinct species", and against ill-treatment of native people.

Wikipedia says exactly the same thing, but, you know, alrighty then.

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>>10292551
Actually he stole the discovery of DNA from a black woman. In the early morning, after she had gone home from laboring all night, he broke into her lab and stole priceless photographs of DNA atoms from her locked test-tubes and microscopes. He took all the credit and left this proud Queen in the lurch... spread the word, anons.

>> No.10292669

>train blacks and other people to be civilized
>in the mean time make sure not to make race baiting remarks
As simple as that

>> No.10292670

>>10292650
Fucking based.
Scientific awards are largely political rewards anyway.

>> No.10292675

>>10292666
>and could be as intelligent as people of other races
potential IQ != average IQ
>anking the so-called races of man as distinct species
a species is the set of being which can produce viable offspring with each other, so yeah, same species. he didn't say anything about sub-species

>> No.10292678

>>10292667
>DNA atoms
Please bait better

>> No.10292681

Whole contemporary western civilization is constructed on the assumption that everyone is equal and his success depends only on diligence and choices made in life. It's made this way so poor people with low IQ and without connections, do not rebel so often against the system as long as they have access to SSRI, games, tinder and false belief about their uniqueness. All ideas threatening the stability of the current social organization are ruthlessly diminished. If you tried to push prohibition of slavery during ancient times, patricians would have fed lions lion with you, promote atheism in the Middle Ages, and the church would have burnt you at the stake, praise superiority of capitalism in the twentieth-century communist states not a good idea, today if you understand the basics of evolutionary biology and psychology. Ashkenazi Jews together with an army of useful idiots will destroy you through the media and the 'justice system'.

>> No.10292683

>>10292660
You're getting confused with Mullis who invented PCR. Crick would have had a hard time getting LSD to discover DNA without a time machine.

>> No.10292693

>>10292678
he means a g c t, the indivisible units (atomos) of DNA. He's a step ahead of you, as was this honourable Queen.

>> No.10292695

He's getting away with it lightly. Racists deserve a lot more.

>> No.10292705

>>10292675
>he didn't say anything about sub-species

He probably would be a believer in racialism today, then. It's not like Watson won't be cited in the future, though. Also I'd like to know what facts are on his side for why Africans are less intelligent?

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>>10292705
>Also I'd like to know what facts are on his side for why Africans are less intelligent?
Are you asking for proof? Or are you asking for a conjecture as to the cause/reasons for the disparity?

>> No.10292721

>>10292705
>why Africans are less intelligent?

one of the big ones is that the climate means there isn't much need for long-term planning. Food resources for African hunter-gatherers abounded, but out of Africa the yearly cycle means multiple different modes of living must be learnt depending on the time of year, as well as the ability to forward-plan.

Shame there is no good research on this because no-one will fund it.

>> No.10292726

>>10292551
It's really ironic.
These labs, which touts the importance of science and truth over useless pleasantries and titles, decided that the best power move would be to strip him of these useless titles.
I guess we should be teaching our new generation, science isn't really about science, it's all about the titles.
This is why academia has gone to shit.
even a 4chan anon based journal would represent the spirit of science better than these title fags

>> No.10292728

>>10292683
According to his widow he had actually used LSD however it was in the late '60s but the journalists are conveniently hide the time period suggesting he used it during his Nobel price winning work. The only reason I even heard about this thing is because one of my friends who studies medicine told me that he heard it from one of his professors on a course. This is how effectively this fake story spreads.

>> No.10292735

>>10292714
How can I get those arms? I can't build muscle

>> No.10292743

How about instead of chimping out about african iq and whether or not it is genetic or environmental, we just accept we don't know and move on?

>> No.10292908

>>10292551
Top kek, racists and /pol/ eternally BTFO

How will they ever recover?

>> No.10292914

>>10292551
Hes modern Galieo in few years he will be remembered as the one fighting knowledge repression

>> No.10292926

>>10292551
I knew buying his textbook wasnt a good idea

>> No.10292932

>>10292735
it's probably all fat. women store fat much more evenly throughout their bodies than men, which store most of it on the gut

>> No.10292955

>>10292743
Or rather we can say we don't want to know because it's politically sensitive.

We have half a century's worth of data. We can make conclusions and have made such conclusions based on data. But it's been rejected due to political nature of the discussion dominated in the US

>> No.10292959

>While Dr Watson also said he hoped everyone was equal, he added: "People who have to deal with black employees find this is not true."

Based as fuck. This is why places like Google despite promoting "diversity initiatives" have less than 1% black people working there. They deflect from their lack of blacks with feminism and their 50/50 ratio of men/women.

>> No.10292990

>>10292743
because it's an important piece of knowledge to take both big picture and everyday decisions

>> No.10293016
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>>10292551

James Watson quotes:
https://liorpachter.wordpress.com/2018/05/18/james-watson-in-his-own-words/

>Some anti-Semitism is justified
>Whenever you interview fat people, you feel bad, because you know you’re not going to hire them
>Japan should be bombed for dragging its feet on supporting the Human Genome Project

>All our social policies are based on the fact that [Africans] intelligence is the same as ours – whereas all the testing says not really
>I think having all these women around makes it more fun for the men but they’re probably less effective
>And there’s a difference on the average between blacks and whites on I.Q. tests. I would say the difference is, it’s genetic

>There is a biochemical link between exposure to sunlight and sexual urges.. that’s why you have Latin lovers
>[The] historic curse of the Irish.. is not alcohol, it’s not stupidity.. it’s ignorance
>People say it would be terrible if we made all girls pretty. I think [doing so by genetic selection] would be great

>The one aspect of the Jewish brain that is not 1st class is that Jews are said to be bad in thinking in 3 dimensions.. it is true
>Women are supposedly bad at 3 dimensions
>People ask about [Rosalind Franklin] and I always say ‘autism'

>[Francis Crick] may have been a bit autistic
>Indians in [my] experience [are] servile.. because of selection under the caste system
>Women at Oxford and Cambridge are better than Harvard and Yale because they know their job is to look pretty and get a rich husband
>People who have to deal with black employees find [that they are equal] not true

>East Asian students [tend] to be conformist, because of selection for conformity in ancient Chinese society
>[Linus Pauling] was probably always half-insane
>Anyone who would hire an ecologist is out of his mind

>[Rosalind Franklin] was a loser
>Disabled individuals are genetic losers
>My former colleagues are pinkos and shits

>> No.10293036

>>10293016
Top key lmao
I liked the Harvard/Cambridge quote the best. Even if you didn't know his nationality, you could quite easily see he was an American lmao

>> No.10293057

So? A society built on modern inclusive ideals is a lot better than anything someone basing it on such "facts" could create.
Thus it doesn't matter if there's any truth to his claims - they are harmful and are pushing us away from making the world a better place for everyone.

>> No.10293060

>>10293057
>glug glug glug

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>>10293016

>> No.10293123

>>10293016
>>People say it would be terrible if we made all girls pretty. I think [doing so by genetic selection] would be great
Engineered catgirls.

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>>10293123
this. Even a Top Nobel Scientist support
Genetically Engineered catgirls.

https://youtu.be/AGeKc-zXBcI

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>>10293016
>>10293066
Based and dare I say redpilled

Pepe approves His Message

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>>10293123
>Genetically Engineered catgirls.
with CRISPR™

https://youtu.be/2Rt2avRZvBs

>> No.10293172

>>10292658
<Rational>wiki that's how you know its true. I'm a Mensa member myself

>> No.10293177

>>10293016
funny, but he loses a little respect from the scientist side of me for his wild speculation

>> No.10293196

>>10293016
It gives me cancer that we live in a society that has no leeway for the fact that these are all one liners with no context. A good portion of these are even statistically true.

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>>10293196
>we live in a society

>> No.10293205

>>10292551
> Anti-science factions
> What can be done about this sort of thing /sci/?
Stop making up bogeymen and shadow armies to justify yet another black vs white IQ thread.

Or fuck off back to /pol/. Either one works.

>> No.10293208

If all the stuff he's said is true, where is the peer reviewed research to back this up?

>> No.10293221

>>10292551
I thought the socjus types already accepted racial IQ disparities and moved on to saying IQ isn't a real quantification of intelligence or something.

>> No.10293223

>>10293205
I'm sure reddit will have commentary more your speed.

>> No.10293234

>>10293196
>James Watson should be given his awards back
>he was only pretending to be retarded!

>> No.10293237

>>10293221
No, modern science has accepted that there's no racial IQ disparity, and studies claiming such have been debunked as pseudoscience.

There's no scientific basis for race. If anything, science has shown that racists have lower IQs than non-racists.

But it is interesting that white people have to cheat to look better on IQ tests. Says a lot about racists, really.

>> No.10293240

>>10293237
>redditspacing
why am I not surprised?

>> No.10293274

>>10293237
>No, modern science has accepted that there's no racial IQ disparity, and studies claiming such have been debunked as pseudoscience.
Is the black-white SAT achievement-gap also "pseudoscience"?

>> No.10293277

>>10292721
Most humans where hunter gathers until about 30k years ago. Are you telling me that superior intelligence can arise in that amount of time? In addition your argument implies people "living in the moment" are intellectualy inferior. I don't buy it

>> No.10293281

>>10293237
Whatever helps you sleep at night

>> No.10293286

Based Motl sums it up well:

https://motls.blogspot.com/2019/01/dna-cranks-fully-expel-james-watson.html

>> No.10293289

>>10293277
The genes necessary for memory and the transmission and absorption of information were already present. And yes, artificial selection studies prove that desired traits can develop in just a few generations

>> No.10293292

>>10293016
>the only people who would work with him were autistic pinko shit losers
When everywhere smells like shit, you better check your shoes.

>> No.10293299

>>10292955
>half a century's worth of data
What kind of data? Just IQ tests? These tests are still very controversial and not because it's hurr durr politically sensitive

>> No.10293302

I'm glad he cares more about confronting a threat to civilization than some meaningless honorary titles.

>> No.10293304

>>10292551
Acknowledge that truth doesn't care about gold medallions or accolades. If you're right, history will vindicate you.

>> No.10293305

>>10293299
How would you test intelligence?

>> No.10293308

>>10292721
IDK, I am no expert on Africa, but don’t parts of Africa experience periodic changes between dry season and rainy season?

>> No.10293311

>>10293308
NO AFRICA IS HAKUNA MATATA I SAW DOCUMENTARY

>> No.10293313

>>10293274
No, it's institutionalized racism.

>>10293305
I'd find out if they're racist. If they're racist, they're stupid, and kick them to the curb. This thread is a perfect example.

>> No.10293318

>>10293237
>There's no scientific basis for race.
Then race is not real so stop calling humans "white or black" retard.

>> No.10293325

>>10293305
We can't. I'n order to test something we need to define it. We can't define intelligence with intelligence it's paradoxical

>> No.10293333

Guns, germs, and steel

stop pretending you are better because of geographical advantages, all races are exactly the same in fact all animals are obviously the same in terms of intelligence

distinct populations are never exactly the same, it would make no sense that intelligence is magically the attribute that is unchanged between populations, while other things are different.

>> No.10293338

>>10293313
>I'd find out if they're racist.
They´re not, as evidenced by years of research that you do not care to read, due to your communist leanings.
¨>>10293325
>We can't.
IQ-tests seem to do just fine for law enforcement, the military, academia, security services and corporations. The ASVAB, SAT, ACT etc. are all thinly veiled tests of intelligence, which is defined as capacity for abstraction.

If you cannot do simple mental arithmetic or perform simple spatial tasks in three dimensions (such as rotating a cube) without using a pen and paper, you are stupid.

>> No.10293339

>>10293333
>all races are exactly the same
This is a nonsensical statement, you dont seem to know what "same" means.

>> No.10293341

>>10293333

>guns, germs, steel

Kek

>> No.10293348

>>10293274
Sat is a brainlet test, it only tests how well you can take the sat

>> No.10293366

>>10293348
>it only tests how well you can take the sat
It correlates highly with intelligence tests, and that shouldn´t come as a surprise, given that it has a similar format (limited time, multiple choice, simple questions concerning logical/spatial/verbal reasoning).

It is not called the "Scholastic Aptitude Test" for naught.

>> No.10293376

>>10292681
Based

Completely agree. This is not a matter of left or right, but that of the total determinism this scientists suggest around human and races are a complete demolition of the core base ideas of our current civilization, and if those ideas were accepted the west as any capitalism society based in the philosophical concept of human freedom would die

>> No.10293381

>>10292658
RationalWiki will never convince anyone of anything. Their "snark over factualness" attitude means that if you don't already agree with everything they have to say, you won't consider them a good source.

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>>10293016
didnt realized watson was this based

>> No.10293450

>>10293277
Africans and Europeans diverged much longer before that. I'm saying that even as hunter gatherers the separation in intelligence was occurring (you don't need to be farmers to need to plan and adapt to a new set of weather conditions). I specified hunter-gathering as it represents a situation in which humans are much less resource-constrained, albeit with smaller populations than what can be sustained by farming.

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>IrrationalWiki

>> No.10293462

>>10293308
sure, some parts are, but even then there are advantages to that - animals concentrate in areas of water during those times which makes for easier hunting. In contrast, winter in Europe would have been bad news all-round for its inhabitants - freezing temperatures requiring more advanced shelter structures, few to no options for gathering, more limited hunting opportunities etc.

>> No.10293467

>>10292551
>all our social policies are based on the fact that their intelligence is the same as ours - where all the testing says not really
>While Dr Watson also said he hoped everyone was equal, he added: "People who have to deal with black employees find this is not true."
This is unscientific racism, no doubt he's a great scientist but fair play there are consequences for spouting things like this.

>In the latest documentary, the molecular biologist says that genes cause a difference on average between black people and white people in IQ tests
I haven't seen the doc, I wonder what the exact wording was


I'm sure we've all seen people come here from /pol/ wanting to have a genuine thread about the genetics of intelligence, only for OP to be revealed as clearly having a racist agenda. Often they fallback to a defence of "it's scientific curiosity don't be anti-science I want whats best"

I read his book recently and was impressed by how much he sounded like he genuinely wasn't racist and how he really was coming from a place of scientific curiosity. Hearing the words that actually come from his mouth make me realise how much the two coauthors/editors of the book could've helped spin the wording to make that be the case in the book

The book was DNA: Story of the genetic revolution, it was great

>> No.10293473

>>10293348
>Sat is a brainlet test, it only tests how well you can take the sat
Now why do you just make shit up?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SAT#IQ_studies
>Frey and Detterman (2003) investigated associations of SAT scores with intelligence test scores. Using an estimate of general mental ability, or g, based on the Armed Services Vocational Aptitude Battery, which can be best thought of as representing crystallized intelligence (learned abilities), they found SAT scores to be highly correlated with g (r=.82 in their sample, .857 when adjusted for non-linearity) in their sample taken from a 1979 national probability survey. Additionally, they investigated the correlation between SAT results, using the revised and recentered form of the test, and scores on the Raven's Advanced Progressive Matrices, a test of fluid intelligence (reasoning), this time using a non-random sample. They found that the correlation of SAT results with scores on the Raven's Advanced Progressive Matrices was .483. They estimated that this latter correlation would have been about 0.72 were it not for the restriction of ability range in the sample. They also noted that there appeared to be a ceiling effect on the Raven’s scores which may have suppressed the correlation.[129] Beaujean and colleagues (2006) have reached similar conclusions to those reached by Frey and Detterman.[130]

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>>10292658
>Rational wiki

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>>10293237
>No, modern science has accepted that there's no racial IQ disparity, and studies claiming such have been debunked as pseudoscience

>> No.10293557

>>10293333
>all races are exactly the same in fact all animals are obviously the same in terms of intelligence

stop feeding the troll

>> No.10293569

>>10293016
If a man this intelligent can say things this stupid, it makes me wonder what dark shit all the idols we study and revere might have thought/believed. You don't really think about it. In fact, you try and emulate them picking your words and being careful about what you believe. It almost feels like a fool's errand if even people this intelligent can learn to not say stupid things.

>> No.10293571
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>“Some anti-Semitism is justified”
>“Whenever you interview fat people, you feel bad, because you know you’re not going to hire them”
>“Japan should be bombed for dragging its feet on supporting the Human Genome Project”
>“All our social policies are based on the fact that [Africans] intelligence is the same as ours – whereas all the testing says not really”
>“I think having all these women around makes it more fun for the men but they’re probably less effective”
>“And there’s a difference on the average between blacks and whites on I.Q. tests. I would say the difference is, it’s genetic…It’s awful, just like it’s awful for schizophrenics”
>“[The] historic curse of the Irish.. is not alcohol, it’s not stupidity.. it’s ignorance”
>“The one aspect of the Jewish brain that is not first class is that Jews are said to be bad in thinking in three dimensions.. it is true”
>“Women are supposedly bad at three dimensions”
>“People ask about [Rosalind Franklin] and I always say ‘autism’”
>“Men are a bit strange and their strangest quality is their ability to understand mathematics”
>“[Rosalind] Franklin couldn’t do maths”
>“Indians in [my] experience [are] servile.. because of selection under the caste system”
>“Women at Oxford and Cambridge are better than Harvard and Yale because they know their job is to look pretty and get a rich husband”
>“People who have to deal with black employees find [that they are equal] not true”
>“[As a female scientist] you won’t be taken seriously if you have children”
>“The wider your face, the more likely you are [to be violent].. Senator Jim Webb has the broadest face I’ve ever seen on any man”
>“Disabled individuals are genetic losers”
>“We should perform genome-wide association studies of women who have given up their children for adoption in order to find the ‘loveless gene’”

Interesting remarks.

>> No.10293585

>>10293571
pretty much all of this is fact so what are you trying to imply?

>> No.10293596

>>10293571
>“Some anti-Semitism is justified”
Yes.

>“Whenever you interview fat people, you feel bad, because you know you’re not going to hire them”
Nonsense.

>“Japan should be bombed for dragging its feet on supporting the Human Genome Project”
???

>“All our social policies are based on the fact that [Africans] intelligence is the same as ours – whereas all the testing says not really”
Correct.

>“I think having all these women around makes it more fun for the men but they’re probably less effective”
I don't think he was serious here.

>“And there’s a difference on the average between blacks and whites on I.Q. tests. I would say the difference is, it’s genetic…It’s awful, just like it’s awful for schizophrenics”
Correct.

>“[The] historic curse of the Irish.. is not alcohol, it’s not stupidity.. it’s ignorance”
??

>“The one aspect of the Jewish brain that is not first class is that Jews are said to be bad in thinking in three dimensions.. it is true”
Bullshit.

>“Women are supposedly bad at three dimensions”
There is research about that in cognitive psychology, but I don't know about the results.

>“People ask about [Rosalind Franklin] and I always say ‘autism’”
???

>“Men are a bit strange and their strangest quality is their ability to understand mathematics”
???

>“[Rosalind] Franklin couldn’t do maths”
I don't know.

>“Indians in [my] experience [are] servile.. because of selection under the caste system”
Bullshit.

>“Women at Oxford and Cambridge are better than Harvard and Yale because they know their job is to look pretty and get a rich husband”
I don't know.

>“People who have to deal with black employees find [that they are equal] not true”
Indeed.

>> No.10293599

The thing that's funny about this quote of Watson
>“[The] historic curse of the Irish.. is not alcohol, it’s not stupidity.. it’s ignorance”
Is that he's not being racist and he's advocating how the environment can affect intelligence. He was summarizing that the stereotype of the stupid Irish doesn't come from bad genetics, but is from the shitty education they all got from the hedge schools, making them ignorant of knowledge.

>> No.10293600

>“Disabled individuals are genetic losers”
also true.

>> No.10293601

>>10293596
obese pajeet detected

>> No.10293603

>>10293599
Ah, now I see. Thanks for the clarification.

>> No.10293608

>>10293601
The obesity part is bullshit because it depends on the task the employee is going to perform.

>> No.10293619

>>10293237
You are in the wrong board.

>> No.10293626

Once you win an award, no matter the award UNLESS you cheated to get it should not be taken away.

>> No.10293627

He made some remarks at a press conference and to colleagues. He did not present any data or evidence or support his comments. He did not publish anything to support his comments.

Not science or math.

>> No.10293635

Twitter is going apeshit saying Watson plagiarized his work.

>> No.10293638

>>10292551
GWAS, polygenic scores, sociobiology and ML are going to melt humanism in the life sciences; without an emotional or political motivation to shield these populations from empirical study there is no reason to assume Watson won’t be vindicated ten times over. Fisher was also a racialist, Sewall Wright was,nas were many other founders of population genetics and evolutionary biology. Lewontin and Gould can squat over the temple doors all they want they don’t control the currents and ordainments of the geist within.
>>10292625
Darwin and his cousin Galton were racialists, this is undeniable from their written works and personal writings. Whether he was an explicit white supremacist (Galton was) is debatable but there is no question on Darwin’s view of biological race. Most anthropologists and evolutionary theorists were racialists all the way up through the early 1960’s. Biology is the only scientific field where you cannot apply the fundamental principles of the science to the researchers themselves and their species without censorship. No one in chemistry or physics is offended that physical and chemical laws govern their behavior, physiology or structure and as soon as the boomers are forced out of the academic hives by senility we’ll see a return to the common sense of the founding period of the field.

>> No.10293639

>>10293635
/pol/ is going apeshit reading our board every other day because they are too stupid to learn simple principles of genetics.

>> No.10293650

>>10293638
GWAS studies have actually done the opposite. If there were only a small number of genes that had a high impact on intelligence, we would have easily found them using GWAS. Similarly, if there was large disparity between population genetics, we would have been able to easily find those genes as well, like melanin genes. The conclusion is obvious and has been known for a long time: intelligence is highly polygenic, and the genetic variation within it almost certainly mirrors the genetic structure of the general human population, in that we share most of the variation; e.g. we all have roughly the same genetics for intelligence.

You simply do not understand how population genetics or GWAS studies work.

>> No.10293651

>>10293639
Lol. The whole field of behavioral genetics is funded by /pol/.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4739500/

>> No.10293658

>>10293651
I suggest you actually read that article, especially points like #2 and #3.

You seem to believe this paper supports the idea of genetic fatalism... Read the paper.

>> No.10293661
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Race-denialists are the new creationists.

>> No.10293664

>>10293658
Where did I deny that? You are arguing against a straw man.

>> No.10293669

>>10293661
I guess over 8,000 researchers in genetics are all retarded and some online shitposters that raid anime boards are the real geniuses

https://www.cell.com/ajhg/pdf/S0002-9297(18)30363-X.pdf

>> No.10293670

>>10293650
>if there was only a small number of genes
no one believes that in behavioral genetics or evolutionary genetics.
>we all have the same genetics
the same frequency of the alleles for a highly varied positively selected trait like intelligence is extraordinarily unlikely.
>mirrors the genetic structure of the human population
so varied and differentiated based on biogeographic distributions and various ancestral selection pressures, so racial and likely significant disparities in trait dispersal becoming more apparent with multi-locus analysis of positively selected alleles, like melanin or intelligence or conscientiousness or penis size or height or facial attractiveness or immunity.
>you don’t understand
ironic because it seems like you are regugitating the discussion sections of politically motivated panic reviews without thinking about them, Flynn and Reich disagree with you too as do Plomin and Li and many other people who have PhD’s in genetics.

Tick tock.

>> No.10293673

>>10293658
That's it. I'm tired of arguing with neo-creationists. I don't if you are dishonest, retarded or both.

>> No.10293679

>>10293670
Humans share over 85% of their genetic variation. We have half or less genetic variation than other primates, and are one of the least genetically diverse animals in the world. What little genetic variation we have is almost all associated with diet or the immune system, which actually makes evolutionary sense.

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/tan.12165

>> No.10293685

>>10293673
Reading the paper that was actually cited is dishonest?

>> No.10293687

>>10292600
Marx was a Darwinist.
>>10292625
t. dishonest historical revisionist
Darwin was undoubtedly a racist. Have you ever read any of his writings instead of finding the first thing you saw on the wikipedia parody site?

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>>10293670
It is useless to argue with these brainwashed fanatics. The dishonest behavior is EXACTLY the same I faced when I used to debate against creationists more than a decade ago. The difference is that now we have political instead of religious anti-science fanatics.

>> No.10293697

>>10293679
>85%
That doesn’t matter at all, miniscule differences aggregate into massive changes in a phenotype and genetic structure of a population, the larger the population and higher heritability the quicker the differences accumulate
>we have less genetic diversity than primates
no we don’t Fst values/heterozygosity between eurasians and australoids is as high as is found in many primate subspecies and even between different species of various mammals and primates. Fst also is argued against as the measure biological subspecies with phenotypic, ecological and phylogenetic definitions of subspecies preferred contextually in different modes of analysis by taxonomists and evolutionary biologists. You don’t have n interest in the subject that is not emotionally or politically motivated and have not thought about the information you’re parroting, note the lightning fast responses to any disagreement with sweeping statements about complex phenomena in a growing dynamic field. Suggest low self control, low openness, thoughtlessness, bad abstract reasoning, high neuroticism.

>> No.10293708

>>10293685
Where I claimed all behavioral traits are 100% genetic? This is a huge straw man. You are a dishonest political fanatic. Keep your politics outside of science.

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>>10292658
>rationalwiki
You know, this was originally parody right?

>> No.10293713

>>10293697
Ok, you clearly don't understand what Fst actually is so I'll explain. It's a ratio of genetic variation between two subsets compared the overall genetic variation in your set (population). That being said, It is an INDEX and not a metric. You can't compare Fst values between papers. You have to create a common population with all primates and humans to make the comparison you proposed. I'll tell you the answer already. Humans have less genetic diversity than humans. It's been measured repeatedly.

Also, the Fst for humans as an overall population is no higher than .15, which corresponds to us sharing 85% off our genetic variation.

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>>10293569
>

>> No.10293725

The lengths people will go to so that they can deny what is right in front their face and plainly obvious for all to see is truly staggering. Denying clearly observable racial traits is creationism tier cultish behaviour.

>> No.10293727

>>10293713
>evolution does not exist for humans
>humans are blank slate

Kill yourself faggot.

>> No.10293736

>>10293725
>Denying clearly observable racial traits is creationism tier cultish behaviour.

Never underestimate what a religious cult can make to its members. It is disgusting.

>> No.10293737

>>10293727
Learn how evolution actually works. Learn genetics if you care about it so much. Oh wait, you don't. You want to deny scientific evidence to justify your childish political views.

>> No.10293741

>>10293737
You are the one advocating for the censorship of scientific research because of your crazy political cult. I don't give a fuck about politics. Keep ideologies and religion outside of science.

>> No.10293742

>>10293737
>I pretend to have a PhD in genetics and know more than other clearly knowledgeable posters and act morally superior to win the argument

>> No.10293746

>>10293737
>You want to deny scientific evidence to justify your childish political views.

Oh the hypocrisy

>> No.10293749

>>10293742
I never claimed any of those things. Just cited some papers and explained some simple principles that people clearly don't understand.

I am morally superior, though, because I'm not a coward. I'm not scared of brown people and I know how have honest political discourse and try to find solutions to problems, rather than advocate genocide on an anime forum board.

>> No.10293754

>>10293713
You’re obfuscating the utility of Fst, the Fst values between primate subspecies are as high as those between human populations, and Fst is not the preferred method of determining subspecies.

Human genetic variation is probably far higher than is accounted for with that measure as multi-locus analysis shows that populations can be distinguished geographically at a near infinite progression of accuracy as more loci are added, this works specifically for positively selected traits, polygenic scores are most useful for determining population differences in positively selected traits. Intelligence is the defining feature of humans and varies strongly between populations, that you seriously think the brain structure and intelligence of Andaman islanders is like medieval Italians is fucking insane. That you think no positive selection occurs for intelligence to create these differences is equally insane.

>> No.10293758

>>10293749
>advocates for censorship of science based on political ideology
>not a coward

>> No.10293761

>>10293749
Who is advocating for genocide, you lunatic?

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>>10293467
>there are consequences for having opinions
Lets strip your scientific awards unrelated to your opinions because having an opinion counter to mine is bad.

>> No.10293768

>>10293749
>I am morally superior, though

Proceeds to defend the Soviet Union and other leftist dictatorships...

>> No.10293769

>>10293749
>If you talk about observable manifest differences between racial groups you are literally a racist advocating for genocide.
>I know how to have honest political discourse

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>>10293749
He's almost burnt up boys, I can smell the smoke from here. A few more inquires for it to process and it will be irreversibly damaged.

>> No.10293774

>>10293754
I'm not obfuscating anything. Fst is an index. You can't just compare Fst values between different populations. Learn the different between an index and a metric. We could also look at total SNP counts, where humans are also really low.

The rest of your post is word salad. It doesn't matter if you use "multi-locus (sic) analysis" or how look at human populations. We have the statistical tools to determine overall genetic variation. We do also have the ability to look at ancestry, sure, but that is a different tool. How closely you can look at something does not determine how similar it is to other things. Polygenic score has nothing to do with determining if traits were selected or not. It is only one way of trying to associate a trait with a specific gene. Another case where you do not understand the basic principles.

What evidence do you have that intelligence was selected for in humans? Calling me insane is not evidence.

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>>10293749
> science denier
> i am morally superior

>> No.10293777

>>10293749
>If you disagree with me you are a racist who espouses genocide

Wow what honest discourse.

>> No.10293779

>>10293761
Just go back to /pol/ and read your own board's posts. This is all part of the propaganda. You need to alienate people and make people afraid of them in order to use them as a scapegoat.

>> No.10293785

>>10293777
Drop the pretense that you are not a /pol/ bridgader. You are only making yourself look foolish by denying it. Everyone can see it.

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>>10293774
>>10293779
>CRITICAL SYSTEMS FAILURE ERROR, ERROR, ERROR ERROR, ERROR, ERRORERROR, ERROR, ERRORERROR, ERROR, ERRORERROR, ERROR, ERRORERROR, ERROR, ERRORERROR, ERROR, ERRORERROR, ERROR, ERRORERROR, ERROR, ERRORERROR, ERROR, ERRORERROR, ERROR, ERRORERROR, ERROR, ERRORERROR, ERROR, ERRORERROR, ERROR, ERRORERROR, ERROR, ERRORERROR, ERROR, ERRORERROR, ERROR, ERRORERROR, ERROR, ERRORERROR, ERROR, ERRORERROR, ERROR, ERRORERROR, ERROR, ERRORERROR, ERROR, ERRORERROR, ERROR, ERRORERROR, ERROR, ERRORERROR, ERROR, ERRORERROR, ERROR, ERRORERROR, ERROR, ERRORERROR, ERROR, ERRORERROR, ERROR, ERRORERROR, ERROR, ERRORERROR, ERROR, ERRORERROR, ERROR, ERRORERROR, ERROR, ERRORERROR, ERROR, ERRORERROR, ERROR, ERRORERROR, ERROR, ERRORERROR, ERROR, ERRORERROR, ERROR, ERRORERROR, ERROR, ERRORERROR, ERROR, ERROR

>> No.10293791

>>10293779
>>10293785
You lost and have to resort to this. Pathetic.

>> No.10293796

>>10293779
>if you disagree with me you are a nazi from /pol/

Do you have any idea about how ridiculous this is?

>> No.10293799

>>10293791
Lost? What exactly did I lose? Is this seriously how you believe it works? You shitpost a little bit on 4chan and say "I won." I've clearly demonstrated you people do no understand genetics. Do you think that changes anything in the real world?

>> No.10293806

>>10293785
You brought your politics in the first place, you giga-faggot. Fuck you and fuck your politics. Keep your retarded "religion" outside of science.

>> No.10293808

>>10293785
>Disagree with lunatic who tells me I am a genocidal maniac for observing patently obvious realities
>Lel you are just a nazi from /pol/ hurr durr

I really don't care that much for politics and it is obvious by your language you are straight out of reddit because no one on 4chan uses the word "brigading"

>> No.10293810

>>10293799
I shitpost a little bit on 4chan and say "you lost the game". Then I hop in my time machine and go back to 2008.

>> No.10293811

>>10293796
Do you have any idea how sad it is that you waste your life raiding sci and b thinking that it will change reality? Humans will always have DNA and we will always be able to measure it. You can't change that fact any more than you can change the stars in the sky. Someone will always be able to find the evidence not matter how much you post here.

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>>10293799
>I've clearly demonstrated you people do no understand genetics.
The only thing you demonstrated was your own appallingly poor understanding of genetics, and when that fell through, you resorted to scarecrowing and strawmanning. You're intellectually dishonest and destroyed your own credibility.
Give a fool enough rope, and he'll hang himself. Congratulations.

>> No.10293823

>>10293816
For your homework, learn what Fst actually is.

>> No.10293829

>>10293823
>Quick pretend I have intellectual superiority

>> No.10293833

>>10293785
>Brigader

That a big yikes from me dawg, your reddit is showing. Might want to check the language we use before you come here next time eh? Back r/socialjustice or whatever shithole you came from.

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>>10293774 >>10293779 >>10293749

Marxist SJW SÖYentists deny:
Genetics: human race/sex/IQ differences,
Evolution: whites are more evolved than blacks
Statistics: race correlation with poverty, crime & IQ.

Ignoring facts & appealing to feelings

*makes you think*

>> No.10293836

white man evolved from blacks
it is a scientific fact

>> No.10293844

>>10293823
>has no retort so he replies in a perceived obscurantism genetics nomenclature, what ultimately is a straw man hoping someone will see it as an appeal to his (fake) authority, showing again that he lifted this off a single study

>> No.10293846

>>10293834
>>10293836
All organisms alive today have evolved for the same period of time. If you are alive you are just as evolved as all other living things.

>> No.10293847

>>10293571
Nothing wrong with most of those statements except the Japan one which is obviously hyperbole.

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>>10293834
>1+1=2
>logic

>> No.10293858

>>10293638
What makes you think the Millenials who replace the Boomers in academia will be any less obsessed with identity issues?

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>'reckless'
amazing that a great scientists views are being disregarded not based on their merit but because they might endanger the nignogs.

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>>10293749
>I am morally superior

You are just a faggot

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10293900

>>10293669
>https://www.cell.com/ajhg/pdf/S0002-9297(18)30363-X.pdf

>Researchers are using politically correct euphemisms for race.

>Therefore human evolution does not exist.

>> No.10293908

>>10292551
>ruin his career
They ruin anything but he still deserved it

>> No.10293913

>>10293908
typos man
they didn't ruin anything*

>> No.10293916

>>10293908
Why? For saying the truth?

>> No.10293944

>>10293908
No scientist should be silenced and harassed for telling the truth.
(((Those who))) persecuted J.Watson are evil criminals.
Evil as Medieval Catholics Inquisition which killed Copernicus & persecuted Galileo.

>> No.10293975

>>10293944
>Evil as Medieval Catholics Inquisition which killed Copernicus & persecuted Galileo.
That's a myth.

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>>10293944
t. American school history book and IFLscience meme.

>> No.10293986

>>10293749
>I'm not scared of brown people

You don't live near them, do you?

>> No.10293987

>>10293975
I know Galileo was put under house arrest and wasn't allowed to speak about heliocentrism. Dunno bout copernicus

>> No.10294003

>>10293944
>Evil as Medieval Catholics Inquisition which killed Copernicus & persecuted Galileo.

Quality redddit "education"

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>> No.10294083

>>10294003
>redddit
Isn't >>10293944 /pol/ ?

>> No.10294099

>>10292551
>DNA pioneer James Watson stripped of honours after 'reckless' race remarks
I'ts a crime what happened to him

>> No.10294161

>>10293569
>oh my g-god... w-what if people think no no thoughts?!

>> No.10294170

And this is why science CANNOT ever be trusted. It is completely and totally corrupt. I don't believe any of your bullshit and neither should you.

>> No.10294174

I would not oppose the total genocide of /pol/ and all the trolls currently shitting /sci/. In fact I'm starting to think it might be necessary.

>> No.10294191

Alright, so imagine everyone accepts that blacks are dumber than whites (and asians), etc. What then? What exactly are you advocating for here, a legal double standard that makes blacks a permanent underclass? Remember, we're talking about averages here, so there are indeed blacks who have higher IQs than some whites. Do these folk get lumped in with the others just for statistics sake alone? Do dumb whites get affirmative action under your ideal system, because let's face it that's what it is. Or would legal privileges be afforded by IQ tiers across the board ("""coincidentally""" arranged to exclude the most blacks, I'd imagine). Explain, considering tons of people in this thread are basically praising watson because "he's saying multiculturalism was a mistake".
>Anti-science factions
It's a bit rich, the one "science-y" thing the alt-right has going for it is IQ, and maybe their support for nuclear power. But microplastics in the water? Destruction of ecosystems, algae blooms, slag piles, greenhouse effect, trash in the oceans, poisoning groundwater, etc? Lol, if you want to stop these things you must be a communist because regulating big business is marxism or something. People in glass houses shouldn't throw rocks. Sure, you're right on the IQ thing for race averages, but you're still batting like 2 for 200.

>> No.10294194

James Watson was a fraud. He did not played a significant role in discovering DNA.

His idiotic racial pseudoscience is enough to prove he is not qualified for molecular biology.

>> No.10294201

>>10294191
It is ironic that all this pathetic screeching about IQ is precisely because now minorities are catching up and whites are losing their racist privileges.
What they want is for white to maintain their racist privileges i.e. for society to think of non-whites as inferior so that they can be happy that although they are total losers, there is someone who is a tier beneath them.

>> No.10294303

>Pacific Islanders have evolved to have larger lung capacities for diving
>Inuits have evolved to have greater resistance to cold climates
>But it’s just absolutely impossible for any human group to evolve to have better intelligence
The state of the left

>> No.10294400

>>10292721
This is total bull. If you actually spoke to any actual African or people who know about the climate and environment would out your retardation.

Food resources were not abundant in Africa. Fucks sake yoy fucked, farming is the predominant way if living and hunter gathered are extremely rare.

>> No.10294406

>>10293650
I could be wrong, but it seems like your argument would apply to height as well. (I'm assuming you don't think that height is the same across races). I realize height is probably less polygenic than intelligence, but it's still quite polygenic.

>> No.10294409

>>10292600
Yes

>> No.10294410

>>10292551

He just went about this the wrong way. He should have first made a series of spin statements about genes and race that would have fit the SJW/ Leftest narrative.

"Blacks are physically stronger than whites because they have better genes for physical strength. That's why they perform so much better at sports"

>>But of course! Its obvious! We see this everyday!

"The American Indians were devastated by alcoholism because their genes were more more pure, they had no natural defense when whites introduced alcohol."

>>Yes, yes, evil whitey!

"Some ethnic groups, like the Ashkenazi Jews, are far more intelligent than whites because they have better genes"

>>Haha, yeah, dumb whitey not as smart!

Then, once he had become the poster boy of SJW's and cultural Marxists, let loose his power level, and chortled while he watched the world burn.

>> No.10294420

>>10294410
Cringe. Sound bites don't distinguish

>> No.10294424

>>10294194
Reddit.com
He was instrumental.

>> No.10294444

>>10294420

Cringe on an anon board?

Goober, you got to reorder your thinking.

>> No.10294448

>>10294410
>Blacks are physically stronger
Scandinavians are the strongest people physically. Blacks are the fastest and can jump really really high like monkey.

>> No.10294451

>>10294303
The problem with this kind of assertions is that, unlike lung capacity or cold resistance, inteligence is mostly not understood and quite complex.
Take one of those savant autists out there. Can barely keep up a normal conversation, yet memorize entire books in a matter of minutes. Are they intelligent or not? My own brother-in-law is legally considered a retard, yet he perfectly remembers the exact date and location of every single event in his life, including the birthdate of every person he has ever asked, plus the entire highway map of the country and how long each highway is, is he smart or not? Or how about the kind of people that can watch an animal for a few minutes and then paint it to perfection but numbers are just a no-no for them, is that inteligence or is it not? It gets muddier when you start studying the inteligence of animals that lack the ability to use a complex language like ours yet show signs of high inteligence, how smart are they? And what if this whole time there's a lot of smart people we're keeping behind because language (our main tool for educational purposes) is inherently flawed and doesn't resonate equally with everybody's brain, is that been taken into account when we talk about intelligence? I won't say there can't be genetic differences betwen populations, but it really is not as easy as "he can't do math as well as that other guy, thus he's dumber", there is far more involved than modern tests can measure.

>> No.10294471

>>10292551
When you really think about it, is discovering the structure of DNA really THAT impressive? I understand that the technology back then was so much weaker than today but just discovering a steucture doesnt impress me that much, chemists do this every single day now and no one gives a fuck.

>> No.10294490

>>10294451
The science all seems to point to genetics being the overwhelming primary determinant of IQ. It’s just the way it is, and it’s definitely uncomfortable for a number of reasons.

In the end this is simply a matter of how your brain wires itself through your life. I dont see how this COULDNT be the reault of genetics. The savant nurtured a select number of pathways while neglecting all others. The high IQ, high generalized intelligence individual will be able to reach proficient levels in almost all skills across the board with minimal effort, while excelling well beyond the norm in whatever it is they decide to truly study and dedicate time to. Its the ease with which they do these things that makes them intelligent. They dont have struggle like the savant and hit themselves in the head while screaming when they fail, they just do everything effortlessly, yes even socially, assuming they undertake the effort and practice it. Ultimately no one is good at anything without practice, but if you have a high IQ you requires less practice overall.

In regafd to whether or not pur use of language works better or worse for some people, the way I see it, it you cant grasp it (and it is simply a game played with patterns that we have carefully created) you probably cant grasp most other complex subjects either. If your pathways have been wired up in a such a way that you are a brilliant painter, but can barely write your own name, you are missing something, its not that the system doesnt work or holds you back.

>> No.10294517

>>10294490
That really doens't answer my questions. It's really easy to say "well, the intelligent one is he who excels at everything", okay, but what does that "everything" entail? The kind of things that society likes more right now? At that point you're not talking about inteligence overall. Is an innate musical skill a sign of inteligence? Lots of people seem to believe it is, there seems to be a link between both, yet it is not considered when testing intelligence. What about hand-eye coordination? The ability to perform precise and skillful movements is also strongly related to inteligence, and yet it's not included in intelligence tests. Also, you really can't compare how skillful a single person is with language and extrapolate it to "everything else". There's no such thing as a person who actually excels at all sort of mental tasks at the same time, and thus you're bound to find people who have a hard time expressing themselves in words but not by other means, it's not about understanding language per se, it's about it not working well with the way you process data in your mind.
Again, I haven't said a thing about intelligence not being related to genetics, of course genetics have a lot to say in the intelligence of a person, my point is, we really don't have an actual strong definition of intelligence that everybody can agree upon, we only have tests that prove a particular set of skills that are useful in a day to day basis, but ignore some other mental skills a person may naturally have that may prove useful when applied, and thus those tests are inherently biased and don't reflect the actual brainpower a person has, just a fraction of it. Hell, you evem mentioned charisma a a sign of intelligence, but there's not a single test out there that measures charisma even thiugh it's one of the best skills a person can be born with nowadays.

>> No.10294520

>>10292650
wow that's fucking based

>> No.10294522

wow this thread is full of really dumb white nationalists who probably didn't even finish high school.

>> No.10294525

>>10293299
All kinds of brain and intelligence data. IQ tests, brain volume and development, neuron number and interconnectedness, educational and academic achievement. It all follows the same pattern.

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>>10293569

>> No.10294547

>>10294451
It’s extremely simple, the brain is an organ like every other.

It’s proven that genetically distinct groups have evolved different properties for their organs (lungs and skin). If you accept that then you accept the possibility for brains to develop differently.

>> No.10294560

>>10294547
Anon, I already said twice that I'm not against that idea. I'm arguing a completely different point.

>> No.10294572
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Now you see why I start my "Think there's no religion in science" thread at least twice a week

>B-B-B-BUT 60,000 YEARS OF EVOLUTIONARY DIVERGENCE MADE NO DIFFERENCE WHATSOEVER. IT WAS ALL DUE TO A FEW HUNDRED YEARS OF RACISM AND OPPRESSION

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Lol I got a warning for basically this same thread earlier

>> No.10294594

>>10293333
>he fell for the ggs meme


In all seriousness though PC culture will end up ruining this nation. I don't think people should be actively racist to one another but I do think people has such thin skin. I'm Mexican and my buddy and I would always make racist jokes. We could always make fun of eachother and ourselves but we all knew it was in good nature but now you can't even make a self depicting joke without offending someone.

>> No.10294606

>>10292600
>What are neo-Marxists going to do, erase everyone from history that ever said bad words?
No ones gonna erase him from the books, but it's good you can't use something from 60 years ago to excuse being a fuck up niw

>> No.10294607

>>10294594
I think he was trolling

Either way,

>Jared <<<<<<<DIAMOND>>>>>>>>

>Pushing egalitarianism

Shocking

>> No.10294616

>>10293304
Can we not burn too many witches first and jump right to the vindication part though? We have the technology.
>>10293450
Apart from simple African/Euro divergence there's also Euro admixture with neanderthals which diverged from erectus or something way before Sapiens existed so yeag there's heaps of time.
>>10293627
Data can and does exist without being personally collected and published by Watson.
>>10293639
Looks like /pol/ understands genetics better than the 'experts'.
>>10293900
>Through its support for research at the leading edge of human genetics, ASHG will continue to... debunk genetics based arguments promoting racial supremacy.
>The research will show what we want it to show.
>>10294191
>are you advocating for here, a legal double standard that makes blacks a permanent underclass
Retard. 'Affirmative action' is already a legal double standard that makes whites an underclass.
If we acknowledge that blacks are on average less intelligent and their overrepresentation in the underclass isn't due to discrimination we can get rid of these unfair laws and have a truly fair system.
>>10294448
It's different proportions of different muscle types. Blacks have more 'explosive power' muscle for jumping, sprinting, punching. Scandis have more endurance muscle for heavy work.
>>10294517
>what is intelligence really
Question designed to derail. Everyone knows what intelligence is until whites have more of it than blacks.

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>>10292667

>> No.10294618

>>10294577
kek fucking jannies

>> No.10294621

>>10292693
Nucleotides are molecules numbnuts

>> No.10294625

>>10294547 >>10294560
Races diverged in physical traits:
Blacks excel in Athletics, Basket
Whites excel in Swimming, Winter sports
East asians excel in Ping Pong, Gymnastics

But it not just the body, Brain is also an organ.
Brain is a organ that also evolved and diverged.

Whites, East Asians & Semitic people evolved to have larger brains to survive harsh Climates (Cold Winter or Hot Deserts), Farm, Hunt, Mine, Ride Horse, Make Tools and Weapons, Build Towns & Fortifications.

Blacks didn't need larger brains to survival since they simply ate Tropical fruits and hunted animals in Savanna and Jungles with their spears.

So Brain Power diverged.

>> No.10294629

>>10293016
>Anyone who would hire an ecologist is out of his mind
Fuck hes right

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>>10294577 >>10294618
Some Jannie of color was triggered.

>> No.10294636

>>10294625
Races aren't a scientific entity, but a social one.
If you're talking about distinct genetic groups, you're going to need a different method.
Perhaps ethnic groups? Haplogroups? Phenotypes?
Population genetics isn't nearly as clean or cut and dried as the social construct of "race".

>> No.10294637

>>10292551
Fuck niggers and fuck jannies

>> No.10294639

>>10294522
That's neo/sci/ for you, its been due to the leak from neo/pol/ from 2015 onward.

>> No.10294641

>>10294637
This is /sci/, you're looking for /pol/.

>> No.10294647

>>10294616
>Everyone knows what intelligence is
Okay, give us an objective definition that encompases everything that is considered intelligence and most people can agree with.

>> No.10294648

>>10294647
iq

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>>10293016
How can one man be so utterly based?

>> No.10294652

>>10292705
>why Africans are less intelligent?

If humans came from Africa, then Africa is the only continent populated by folks who never had a chance to leave the stragglers behind.

>> No.10294655

>>10294648
Well no, because IQ is part of "getting factor" which is the common measure used in academic psychometrics, my dear /pol/tard.
Maybe go and read a psychology textbook sometime, if you're going to keep pretending like you understand IQ.

>> No.10294656

>>10294655
>*G factor
Fucking retarded predictive text.

>> No.10294665

>>10294652
Brilliant

>> No.10294675

>>10292705
Africa is an environment in which daily survival is priority.

>Don't get eaten by a crocodile while getting water

>Don't starve to death today

>Don't get mauled by that lion

Eurasia is more of a long term survival environment

>Don't starve to death or die of exposure in those six months when it's balls-freezing-to-your-thighs cod

>> No.10294676

>>10294191
Only person in thread who's not retarded

>> No.10294679

>>10294675
cold*

>> No.10294682

>>10294647
Use a dictionary.
>intelligence
>/JnˈtɛlJdʒ(ə)ns/
>noun
>1.
>the ability to acquire and apply knowledge and skills.
A turboautist counting toothpicks can acquire a very limited amount of knowledge (only that regarding numbers of toothpicks) and can apply it to nothing therefore is not intelligent.

>> No.10294686

>>10294652
Also Africa is a place where primates with monkey-level brain power can survive.

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>>10292551

>> No.10294688

>>10294191
So basically

>It's not conducive to political correctness, lets sweep it under the rug

>> No.10294693

>>10294191
This is the most sane political stance I've seen posted on 4chan since pre-2015.
Trump's candidacy was the worst thing to ever happen to the board culture of 4chan.

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>>10294693

>> No.10294699

>>10294676
How is thinking we'd need special double standards to keep low IQ blacks down instead of their low IQ naturally keeping them down itself not retarded?

>> No.10294703

>>10294687
>Token cripple ignorant of IQ
Not an argument.

>> No.10294705

>>10294699
This

Keeping them lumped together when they are very clearly not remotely equal is the utterly retarded stance

>> No.10294707

>>10294698
Go home /pol/, you've absolutely no right to be on this board.
In fact, you're now the invasive so-called "migrants".

>> No.10294711

>>10294707
>These poltards and their facts, how will we continue peddling our egalitarian trash?

>> No.10294715

why does everyone get so triggered by this?

darker skin = less intelligence, who cares. there are other things that offset it anyway, like bone density and physical strength

>> No.10294717

>>10294711
What facts exactly?
Just saying you have facts, but never posting evidence that isn't discredited crap with a shitty methodology, proves absolutely nothing but the fact that you clearly don't have the intellectual capacity of your mythical Aryan race.

>> No.10294727

>>10294717
Under no condition does the gap disappear

When you lift negroes out of poverty, the wealthiest ones perform as well as poor whites

>> No.10294730

>>10293774
Yes you can use Fst values to compare variability between and within populations, if you use a significant number of populations like nearly all european ethnic groups of hundreds of global ethnic groups. If you include many different SNP's or alleles especially those unique to certain populations the variance of allele frequencies and predicted identity by descent go up. Polygenic scores are not so informative for neutrally selected alleles, similarly the addition of multi-locus assessments as opposed to single locus assessments for differentiating populations (or finding a lack of differentiation) is not informative unless they are under positive selection, in which case both are highly informative for the variation in allele frequency and identity by descent of those populations being assessed. The more populations, and the more loci you include the more accurately you can predict ancestry, variation in allele frequency and geographic origin and to group people by these features and metrics to an almost absurd degree of accuracy approach 99% ability to predict ancestry and huge geographic differences in clustering for various groups of SNP's.

I never even brought up Fst values, you did, by citing autosomal genetic distances and the Fst value estimation of Lewontin which was .15, he didn't know anything at all about animal evolutionary genetics and made the idiotic assumption that "there is a significant Fst value threshold for differentiating populations" (there is none, but .15 is considered roughly a significant value, though it varies), that "subspecies can only be defined by genetic distance" (this is not true at all, many subspecies are determined by phenotypic variance, morphological differences, ecological differences), and that "only genetic distance could possibly indicate behavioral or biological differences that are scientifically significant or biologically real" (which is simply untrue).

>> No.10294733

>>10294727
Show me some fucking proof. I know back on /pol/ you could just about racist shit and call it facts, but here we require proof.

>> No.10294735

>>10294733
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minnesota_Transracial_Adoption_Study

>> No.10294740

>>10294735
>The study found that "(a) putative genetic racial differences do not account for a major portion of the IQ performance difference between racial groups, and (b) black and interracial children reared in the culture of the tests and the schools perform as well as other adopted children in similar families."[4]
Lmao.

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>>10294740
Nowhere does the study show any of that

In case you weren't aware, Wiki is modded by shills

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>>10292721
I'm really kind of sick of this dumbass stormfag talking point, mainly because it's not remotely true.
tropical environments require comparably much forethought/planning as temperate/boreal environments. cold winters aren't the only thing that you need to prepare for if you're a hunter-gatherer or even an early agrarian. torrential monsoon rains, seasonal droughts, river flood cycles, etc. all require thinking ahead and encourage not only intelligence but culture (the ability to pass down timekeeping and migration through oral tradition) in early Homo sapiens.

>> No.10294757

>>10293713
Intelligence is positively selected for because:

the highest fitness and highest intelligence animal populations all have huge advantages over all of their competition and tend to either have very extended lifespans, tool making cultures or extremely high biomass, or are apex predators/very high up in the food chain/web. Humans became anatomically modern 150-300,000 years ago, and hominids have probably existed for 2.5 million years. In this brief period in the 3.6 billion year history of life on Earth we went from at best Cetaceans and Cephalopods that can pass the mirror test to humans that could create complex systems of symbolic thought, complex machines like water mills, irrigation systems, plows, wheels, motors, batteries and pulley systems. The rapid archaeological progression from simple stone tools 100,000 years ago to complex agricultural implements and then from leaps and bounds to the mechanized economies of the enlightenment could not come from random mating and slow neutral selection. Strong positive selection pressure, sexual selection would drive such a change in allele frequency and proliferate these traits among largely unchanged great apes in a very brief period of time.

The heritability of intelligence is high, in large populations and at a very high heritability these alleles would disperse rapidly and if indeed they are more valuable the more complex a society becomes (think carefully, are smart people more necessary for hunting and gathering or for running an agricultural empire? ) then selection for them would increase proportional to the advancement of the technological culture. Next if some people were in environments more conducive to this kind of gene-culture evolution, they would probably see even more vicious selection for those traits causing differentials between populations in allele frequency. The lion's share of the work was probably very ancient and the rest was a feedback necessitated by atrophying apelike traits.

>> No.10294760

>>10294744
Abstract:
>Members of 101 transracial adoptive families were restudied 10 years after the initial research (Scarr & Weinberg, 1976, 1978). In this article we report on IQ scores and school achievements of the black and interracial children and other adopted children, and the biological offspring of the adoptive families at mid- to late-adolescence. Because of changes in tests and in norms, members of the adoptive families, including parents, scored on average lower at Time 2 follow-up than at Time 1. There were no differences between the transracial adoptees and the biological offspring of the adoptive parents in IQ score change from Time 1 to Time 2. In general, the results support the original findings: Being reared in the culture of the tests and the culture of the schools benefits all children's IQ scores and school achievements.
Source:
>https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/016028969290028P?via%3Dihub
That's from the actual study.

>> No.10294766

>>10293713
the more rapidly a people atrophied other competing traits and the more of selection was directed towards pro-social (pro-civilization) behavioral traits the less suited they probably became to persisting in the ancestral environment, think about how much more suited a Khoikhoi is to the Kalahari than an Anglo-Saxon even of high physical fitness.

Intelligence allows for hoarding resources, dominating physically superior species, turning the entire food chain on its head and reshaping an environment on a scale only insects are usually capable of for the benefit of the high intelligence species, all of this is definitely being selected for constantly especially as we begin genetically indirectly influencing the structure of the environment and propelling ourselves towards higher complexity civilization with lower necessity for selection for traits relating to the MHC, dietary enzymes and various behavioral traits that would benefit hunter gatherers. You don't randomly get a human brain from an early hominid brain or a human brain from an ancestral arboreal ape brain.

>> No.10294768

>>10294760
>There were no differences between the transracial adoptees and the biological offspring of the adoptive parents in IQ score change from Time 1 to Time 2.
reread what this sentence implies
> In general, the results support the original findings: Being reared in the culture of the tests and the culture of the schools benefits all children's IQ scores and school achievements.
No shit, if you make people memorize heuristics for environments they're not suited for they will become more adept at navigating them regardless of genetic competence in those environments. No one thinks you can't raise iq partially (phenotypically) by giving blacks free money and middle class education (without actually having to amass resources to acquire it like whites do), the point is to demonstrate that blacks are still far less intelligent than whites even when reared in white environments, including than white adoptees, and that blacks are innately less intelligent. That's the point of the study.

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>>10294547
>you accept the possibility for brains to develop differently
Oh, there definitely COULD have been divergence in brain function over the course of 50 ka.

The trouble is that stormfags (who take it as an article of faith that black people are inferior) read that and conclude that divergence in brain function MUST, ABSOLUTELY MUST, have happened such that white people are inherently smarter, despite the lack of good evidence showing such a pattern. And then when actual population geneticists and evolutionary anthropologists pour cold water on that, they (since they're so pathetic that their entire self-worth is predicated on being Better Than The Blacks) raise holy hell and start screeching about how It's A (((Conspiracy))) and that the scientists saying that white people aren't inherently superior are Actually Anti-Scientific Creationists.

>> No.10294811

>>10294778
>willful ignorance
>all the data is fake
>no evidence
Considering that literally everything in the world suggests whites are inherently smarter than blacks, where's this alleged lack of good evidence?

>> No.10294818

>>10294606
Watson did literally nothing wrong though.

>> No.10294823

>>10293016
>a 90 year old science icon is /pol/ incarnate
wew

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>>10294811
>literally everything in the world suggests whites are inherently smarter than blacks
okay cubby, what's your evidence?
don't post a map of average IQ scores by country, you'll make me laugh.

>> No.10294839

>>10294829
>inb4 Richard Lynn and his spastic book

>> No.10294844

Its interesting how this thread isnt addresing the real issue. Regardless if whether statements were accurate or not. How do they justify stripping him of his honours? Why did he specifically get the honours? Was it because of his research on IQ or ethnic disparities? Also since you guys are discussing the topic, is there a general difference in IQ between newly immigrant africans and non immigrant african americans?

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>>10294829

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>>10292551
james watson is insecure, he's irish, grew up at a time when billboard had a no niggers or irish need apply. He has been overcompensating ever since.

>> No.10294857

>>10294855
Stop using that horrible word, you bigot.

>> No.10294858

>>10292650
>The medal was subsequently returned to Watson by the purchaser, Uzbek tycoon Alisher Usmanov, who stated that Watson deserved the medal and that "a situation in which an outstanding scientist has to sell a medal recognising his achievements is unacceptable."'
>based Usmanov
stupid usmanov he's Muslim, he couldve donated that money elsewhere instead of giving it to some old decrepit

>> No.10294860

>>10292681
I don't think anyone ever rebelled because they had everything except for feeling of uniqueness. Crime is already rebellion and niggers do it more than anyone.

>> No.10294877

>>10292681
Burger education. Hysteria is just a way to accumulate political power. Rebellions are prevented by democracy. Racism was a hindrance to rebellions because nobility was pretty much master race and it was literal blasphemy to kill them.

>> No.10294892

>>10293639
>our board

>> No.10294934

>>10293473
>Now why do you just make shit up?
he doesn't. he's trolling the trollable. how can't you see this? he's presenting such a pure stereotype that it can't possibly be genuine.

>> No.10294940

>>10293669
>I guess over 8,000 researchers in genetics are all retarded
also uncountable theologians. or communist party ideologues, which is pretty much the same shit with a different cherry on top. all experts on YHWH agree he exists.

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>>10294934
>I was just pretending to be retarded!

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>>10292667

>> No.10295042

>we share 99% of proprieties of the mud we step on
>we are not the earth's relatives

>> No.10295044

>>10293366
>intelligence means how quick you are at solving puzzles created by scholars

why do scholars keep saying this?

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>>10293366 >>10295044
>Scholastic Aptitude Test

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>>10293366 >>10295044
https://www.brookings.edu/research/race-gaps-in-sat-scores-highlight-inequality-and-hinder-upward-mobility/

>> No.10295129

>>10292551
He has yet to defend his position with facts and evidence
He just keeps saying it's out there but he's been challenged to seriously argue his case and he won't. Instead he just makes snide remarks about how he wishes it wasn't true, etc

>> No.10295214

>>10294829
Where's the lack of evidence?
Name one thing that suggests whites aren't smarter than blacks.

>> No.10295222

>>10295129
Walter lewin made a controversial claim about Kirchoff current law. He didn't just wave his hand and say "you know I'm right" or "the evidence is out there".. he actually presented and tried to defend his position. That's how this is supposed to work. Watson must know this. It looks suspicious, almost like he knows he doesn't have any real proof.

>> No.10295226

>>10295129
>The laboratory Dr Watson once headed says his views on intelligence and race are "reprehensible" and "unsupported by science".
>He has yet to defend his position with facts and evidence
There's a bunch of data supporting his position just in this thread. Any retard with internet access can verify it and find heaps more the same.

Why do you guys ignore the facts and evidence?
Where are the 'facts' and 'evidence' that show he's wrong?

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>>10292551
Most People Rejected His Message

(((They))) hated James Watson because he told them the truth

>>10293016
>Some anti-Semitism is justified
>All our social policies are based on the fact that [Africans] intelligence is the same as ours – whereas all the testing says not really
>And there’s a difference on the average between blacks and whites on I.Q. tests. I would say the difference is, it’s genetic
>People who have to deal with black employees find [that they are equal] not true
>People say it would be terrible if we made all girls pretty. I think [doing so by genetic selection] would be great
>Anyone who would hire an ecologist is out of his mind
>My former colleagues are pinkos and shits

>> No.10295286

>>10295214
the burden of proof is on the person making the claim, not the one disputing it.
this is kinda 101 level stuff.

>> No.10295296

>>10294727
>When you lift negroes out of poverty, the wealthiest ones perform as well as poor whites

Yet Nigerians are doing pretty great and have big presence in education..

>> No.10295302

>>10294201
Which is funny because in many places and institutions with prestige they lowkey are already racist or very dated in how they treat certain people. Adding another layer of racism won't even do much because it's like

>Yeah but we already defacto zone out the browns and blacks in a socially acceptable manner

>> No.10295310

>>10295286
Read the thread dipshit. Burden of proof is met.
Give your reason for disputing it in the face of all the evidence.

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>>10294606
>it's good you can't use something from 60 years ago to excuse being a fuck up niw
>having a belief based on scientific studies, hurting literally nobody, is being a fuck up
Eat shit, communist.

>> No.10295426

>>10295226
Listen carefully retard
It's not unreasonable to ask HIM, the man making the claim, to defend his position
"It's on the internet" does not absolve him of his duty to defend his position.

>> No.10295436

>>10294606 >>10294818 >>10295421
(((They))) erased hitler point of view. So of course (((They))) can erase James Watson from Biology books.

>> No.10295441

>>10292693
Imagine being this stupid

>> No.10295449

>>10292551
Fucking hell man this is pathetic

>> No.10295451

>>10292650
Based.

>> No.10295461

>>10293277
>In addition your argument implies people "living in the moment" are intellectualy inferior.
but this is true, brainlet
impulse control and intelligence and success in life all correlate strongly with eachother

>> No.10295493

I know many people dispute the hundreds of studies showing that races differ in intelligence, but is there a single study showing that demonstrably proves that races are equal in intelligence?

>> No.10295507

>>10295426
>no one can claim anything they haven't personally proven
>ignore all the evidence that does exist
>have nothing to suggest he's wrong
What are you even on /sci/ for?

>> No.10295512

>>10295493
No, despite years of people trying to construct studies with exactly that result.
There's not even a reason to expect them to be equal.
But it is the established anti-science dogma of the current era so it must be true anyway.

>> No.10295533

>>10292551
>ruin his career
hes almost dead

>> No.10295557

>>10295296
Nigerian genetic outliers.
>>10295129
Evidence is racist

>> No.10295578

>>10293016
Now that's based and redpilled

>> No.10295583

>>10294768
>blacks are still far less intelligent than whites even when reared in white environments, including than white adoptees, and that blacks are innately less intelligent. That's the point of the study.
The study actually says that the race of adopted parents does not account for the environmental factors affecting black students, and that pre-adoption conditions carry significant weight.

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>>10293237
First of all
>>>Reddit
>>>Tumbler
Secound of all, we litteraly have tested populations, so your wrong also about the race not being real, around 95% experts in China recognise race as biological reality, 75% in eastern Europe and ex warsaw pact countries recognise race, and around 45% of experts in western Europe and north America recognise race, your one of those retards who read some shitty article in scientific american and thinks he knows it all, as for ''racists'' part you calling me racist is like someone in 15th of century calling one a ''heretic'' would you even take it seriusly?No, so why do you expect me to take it seriusly when you call me a racist?Im not going to play your little games, its not gonna happen, your one of those retards who have been indoctranated from your very childhood to somehow believe that natural evolutionary trait in homo-sapiens to prefear their own group over the other is somehow a bad or shamefull thing, i am Eastern European myself and Hitler would of probably sent me to a gass chamber, but because of the fact that we don't have all the PC bullshit here unlike you in west i can see right trough your bullshit like trough a glass, your in a fucking cult, and the faster you realise it the better.

>> No.10295608

>>10293016
>the one aspect of the Jewish brain that's not first class is thinking in three dimensions
I don't know why this would be included with the rest of these very rude claims.

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>>10295507
>have nothing to suggest he's wrong
Rest assured I can talk about the usual /pol/tard evidence you faggots post and repost ad nauseum.

The body of studies on African IQ's are filled with misconduct and Lynn in particular has been proven a fraud and a hack.
Nearly every """race science""" study is funded by an American post-Civil War think tank with a stated eugenicist agenda.
The results of the Minnesota studies are open to interpretation and can actually be used to justify the environmental hypothesis, and that's by the admission of the study authors themselves.
The Bell Curve cherry-picks the studies that support its thesis and ignores the body of studies conducted in Europe that contradict it.
Studies on Koreans in Japan reveal a similar achievement gap to the black-white gap in America despite their genetic similarity.
Studies based on measuring the relative frequency of genes that code for intelligence are thwarted by the fact that they rely on an incomplete reference genome.
The London "taxicab" studies prove via fMRI that brain structure is physically malleable, even in adults, through focused practice.

Each one of those could make (or derail) an entire thread on its own, but this thread supposed to be about Watson, who is now firmly in quack territory the way he refuses to argue his position.

>no one can claim anything they haven't personally proven
Nice strawman, but I didn't say he has to personally prove it, I said he has to defend it, i.e., he should cite the studies he believes prove his claim, not just vague anecdotes like "if you work with them you'll know." It's not like he doesn't know how to write a paper or a letter.
So why hasn't he?

>> No.10295629

>>10295627
Not that anon but what should I be looking at?

>> No.10295633

>genes cause differences of all kinds between groups
>EXCEPT IQ ARGHHHGHH!!!
modern day heresy

>> No.10295636

>>10292600
>What are neo-Marxists going to do, erase everyone from history that ever said bad words?
of course

>> No.10295639

>>10295636
>which is why we must erase them first

>> No.10295642

>>10295426
You don't need a body of evidence to hold a fucking personal opinion or conjecture. "Citation needed" culture is just a way to shut people up.

Also notice how no one has any scientific evidence to the contrary of his little piece of conjecture. Clearly, then, their reprehensible views are unsupported by science.

>> No.10295644

>>10295627
Wow! GCSEs!

>> No.10295646

>>10295639
i just want to get along

>> No.10295650

>>10295493
Yes, but it can be explained by other factors, as much as i know Blacks in UK have better verbal ability than native brits on some tests, but this can be explained by the fact that imigrants are not good representatives of the native populations, as only richest and mosts sucesfull of africans are alowed to imigrate in west, that is if they are not considered refugees who are actualy good representatives of native populations, and have caused skyrocket in criminality across Europe.

>> No.10295664

>>10295627
So your arguments in general : Those studies are not good enough cuz muh racyzm

So you believe that every population on planet has equal ability in cognetive functions?

>> No.10295683

>>10292551
What racists faggots don't get is that nobody in the science community denies that there are differences in IQ averages between races, but everybody with two brain-cells attached will be able to conclude that averages don't mean much. Even on a global scale, IQ has a very weak correlation with wealth if you leave Africa out. 90 IQ Argentina is roughly as wealthy as 105 IQ Taiwan.

Also, whites aren't even the top in that aspect, all white supermacists achieve by talking about IQ averages is portraying the white race as inferior to asians and jews.

>> No.10295687

>>10295650
>as much as i know Blacks in UK have better verbal ability than native brits on some tests
if true, then it might have something to do with the fact that english education in england is absolutely terrible. perhaps teaching talent gravitates towards cities, just like the black population. perhaps city schools are just more able to teach because because perhaps they have better access to funding and skilled teachers. perhaps predominantly black schools get more attention cuz dey it's a poor disadvantaged yoot dem ting ya get me.

>> No.10295690

>>10295683
>Even on a global scale, IQ has a very weak correlation with wealth if you leave Africa out. 90 IQ Argentina is roughly as wealthy as 105 IQ Taiwan.
so what does that say to you?

>Also, whites aren't even the top in that aspect, all white supermacists achieve by talking about IQ averages is portraying the white race as inferior to asians and jews.
i can tell you've little been to /pol/

>> No.10295691

>>10295683
What lefty retards don't realise is that no one in race realist comunity is arguing that Whites are the superior race, and welth is not the only factor when it comes to things that us humans consider as ''sucess''

>> No.10295692

>>10295664
You know, you would be halfway-believable if you way equally concerned over, let's say, average body size and income. In fact, your body size correlates stronger with your income, than your IQ does. But of course, all these "good and honest scientists" only care about race, and not about the dozens of other factors that will largely determine your behaviour in society.

Everybody can see through your masquerades, this is why nobody is taking you seriously, and instead you get rightfully called out for the hateful, racist bigots that you are.

>> No.10295696

>>10295692
who or what are you blabbering on about, you interracial cuckold fetishist?

>> No.10295703

>>10295664
>So you believe that every population on planet has equal ability in cognetive functions?
Not that anon, but the point is that there's far too many variables at play when measuring inteligence to just get a chart of average IQ and say "welp, this is a genetic trait, let's move on".
I mena, once you start doing that, you may as well say that germans are genetically more efficient workers or that the australians are genetically predisposed to have more money. And that's not even considering the fact that negroids have far more genetical variability than caucasians and mongoloids and races overall aren't really just about skin colour (much like a black labrador is genetically pretty much identical to a white labrador and is also pretty much genetically identical to a poodle).

>> No.10295713

>>10295692
>In fact, your body size correlates stronger with your income, than your IQ does.
Source?
>and not about the dozens of other factors that will largely determine your behaviour in society.
Muh enviroment, lets keep funding negro schools im sure they will make it one day.....
>this is why nobody is taking you seriously
I doubt it, science is on our side, so your wrong buddy.
>racist bigots that you are.

AGAIN your buzzwords have no effect on me.

>> No.10295718

>>10295703
Mainstream opinion when it comes to heretability of IQ is around 50%, i think its 80% but that onother storry, when it comes to induviduals no one has problems with agreeing that some people are just born smarter than others but when you try to do that with populations it somehow becomes pseudoscientific, let me ask you something, ifi you lived trough whole live of Einstein would you beome as smart as he was?Can we put young men and woman into virtual reality and make them go trough whole lifes of newton and Eisntein and when you take off their occulur rift they sudently becomes super geniuses?

>> No.10295724

>>10295713
>lets keep funding negro schools im sure they will make it one day.....
1) They pay for it themselves (funded by local property taxes).
2) It would be worse if they didn't have schools.
3) What about smart black kids?

>>10295718
Heritability is an extremely complicated concept. It's not just hurr duh DNA. It includes inherited environments as well.

>> No.10295725

>>10295718
I don't see how that relates at all to what I said.
I'm not saying it's impossible for certain populations to have ana verage IQ higher than others by mere genetics, I'm saying that just measuring the IQ and making a chart of averages is not a good enough metric to pinpoint which populations, specially considering how genetically diverse the this specific population (negroids) are. Also, there's a problem with assuming that IQ measures intelligence, when it's more accurate to say that it measures a set of particular skills that may or may not make a person more intelligent in a broader sense.

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>>10295724
>They pay for it themselves (funded by local property taxes).
Do you have datta on it?
>It would be worse if they didn't have schools.
Yes but that was not my point
>What about smart black kids?
Yes those are respectable, i am aware that populations have variations but keep in mind that Blacks have smaller variations in IQ's than whites and ashenazi jews, as for other races its debatable.
>It includes inherited environments as well.
wat

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10295744

>>10295703
the debate (or lack thereof) about racial (should really be ethnic, not "racial") differences in intelligence, and about legitimacy or evidence or blah blah etc. etc. is just masturbation.

the actual practical issue is that interacting with dindus, or simply being in the proximity of dindus, makes one less safe regardless of what country one is in, regardless of socioecomic factors and other twee memes, and regardless of meme historical justifications for wanton six-on-one head-stomping violence

not everyone is the same

>>10295724
you're hand-waving away heritability with "it's complicated". ok then, that doesn't suddenly put it off limits in a discussion.

>> No.10295747

>>10295725
>considering how genetically diverse the this specific population (negroids) are
Geneticly diverse/=/large IQ variations
>IQ measures intelligence, when it's more accurate to say that it measures a set of particular skills that may or may not make a person more intelligent in a broader sense.
B...but muh IQ is not good enough mesurement of intelligence

Look buddy IQ is the best mesurement tecnique we thus far have, if you can please provide better mesurement tecnique or stfu

>> No.10295753

Humans are unique animals; they're the only animals that have had their individual traits handed out equally and fairly by some magical trait fairy. This is not declaration of religious faith, it's just science.

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>>10295753
B...bu...BUT THATS RACYZT!

>> No.10295778

>>10295742
>Do you have datta on it?
No data, but it is absolutely true:
>Local property taxes provide most of the funding for public school
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_school_funding

>wat
>>10295744
>ok then, that doesn't suddenly put it off limits in a discussion.
Indeed, but it is always portrayed as something that it is not. If it was used responsibly, I'd love to discuss. But it never is. If people keep bringing up heritability stats to mean it's embedded in the DNA, I'm not going to take them seriously.

>> No.10295782

>>10295713
>Muh enviroment, lets keep funding negro schools im sure they will make it one day

I wasnt talking about environmental factors. There are dozen of DNA factors that have a much bigger influence on you than your race. Race averages simply don't mean much.

BTW, you don't hear black people talk a lot about that white people - on average - are physically inferior. So why are white supermacists so obsessed with IQ average?

>> No.10295794

>>10295778
How do you know that this is true specificly about black mayority schools?

>> No.10295801

>>10295782
Are you kidding?Blacks are constantly talking about muh dick, also
>white supremacist
I don't consider whites to be superior race, i just don't want my country to be flooded by 3rd worlders.

>> No.10295806

>>10295782
>have a much bigger influence on you than your race. Race averages simply don't mean much.
race is close to meaningless because of internal variation and vagaries (are southern egyptians black? are spaniards white? are swedes the same race as greeks? why? why not?). if you want to study or generalize anything then look at distinct ethnic groups

anyway, in general, mo niggaz is mo pro'lems. this is a scientific fact supported by over one hundred billion peer-reviewed anecdotal cases of the highest quality.

>BTW, you don't hear black people talk a lot about that white people - on average - are physically inferior.
fucking rofl yes you do

>white supermacists
there's that term again. no one's bothering to say "people with white skin are superior to everyone else, nyer-nyer-nyer-nyer-nyer-nyer", rather people are saying "a certain group of people are dumb and violent and i don't want to have to play russian roulette every time i go out in public so please just fucking accept that groups are different, stop pushing for unfettered immigration, and let us live in peace".

>> No.10295862

>>10293057
Wrong. Your inclusive society is a failure and social cohesion is evaporading at a radical pace.

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10296077

>>10295310
>Read the thread dipshit.
Nowhere in this thread did anyone post such evidence. Disagree? Reply to a post you think qualifies.

This is what stormfags do to prop up their sad little ideology. They act as if there's proof positive that their claims are accurate and then pretend to be confused when someone points out that the emperor has no clothes.

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10296125

>>10295441
Imagine being a dumb Yank who can't understand sarcasm

>> No.10296155

>>10296077
>muh /pol/
Y....yeah cuz if you don't want your country to turn into Somalia your a stormfagg

>> No.10296243

>>10296077
>POOPOO
not an argument

>> No.10296619

Holy shit what a thread.

>> No.10296701

>>10295627
>why hasn't he?
No one asked him to, they just cried racist and disowned him.
>GCSEs
No.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grade_inflation#GCSE
And
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S016028960200137X
>data is raysist
Trying to discredit the data would only show there isn't data supporting it. Could still be true though.
Where's the data that shows it's WRONG, ie all races are intellectually equal?
>>10295703
>too many variables at play
Maybe one day science will discover controls and multivariate analysis.

>> No.10296750

>>10295683
>nobody in the science community denies that there are differences in IQ averages between races
That's literally what they said was completely unsupported by science and punished Watson for saying though.
>>10295691
>no one in race realist comunity is arguing that Whites are the superior race
I am. "Just the facts, whites have higher IQ and blacks commit more crime but that doesn't mean anyone's superior" is a way to avoid accusations of bigotry/racism/supremacism. Suddenly we don't value law and order or intelligence anymore? No, a society of low IQ criminals sucks, white people and society are objectively superior to mixed/black.

>> No.10297362

>>10296750
Do you think whites are inferior to asians/jews? Should we restrict immigration from non-asian/jewish countries?

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