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10283657 No.10283657 [Reply] [Original]

>Yeah dude! Im a be a doctor so I'm totally STEM. Anyway, engineering is for fags, huh? Bunch of retards that fell for their Math teacher's bullshit.

>> No.10283667

>>10283657
>Being a technician whose methods are based on the research of biologists and chemists
>Waiting for biomedical and chemical research engineers to develop the next pharmaceutical that you'll apply to problems
>Getting all your data and readings from machines designed by electrical engineers
>Facing replacement by machine learning systems developed by computer scientists and statisticians
The doctor meme is dead.

>> No.10283673

>>10283667
They got tired of brainlets and trained monkeys fucking up trying to use their tools and apply their techniques. We would literally rather have a robot do it.

>> No.10283691

>>10283667
>>10283673
>Haha...doctors are brainlets..lol just memorizing anyone can do it....haha why don't they just pay me 200k a year
>t.seething virgins

>> No.10283714

people who brag about their majors haven't left high school

>> No.10283717

DOCTORS ARE ASIAN

>> No.10283748

>>10283691
Senior Google engineers get paid between 800k and 4mil my naive friend.

>> No.10283762

>>10283748
its a good thing the typical software engineer makes nothing close to that, so it was pointless to bring up

>> No.10283789

>>10283691
desu that applies to all careers
you wont be designing ferrari for having an engineering major
chances of you actually doing research after doing a STEM career is legit around 0,7% (source: science mag about the extremely low number of new authors worldwide)

>> No.10283795

>>10283762
do they even have jobs lmao

>> No.10283820

>>10283748
And the industry average for a senior engineer is 120k/y. The industry average for a medical doctor is 400k/y. Not every software developer can work for Google or Amazon, lots of us are stuck working for medium-sized businesses that pay us "competitively". I don't even make six figures because the cost of living in my area isn't high enough to warrant it.

>> No.10283823

>>10283714
and people who brag about their salary haven't graduated college yet

>> No.10283952

>>10283820
But Doctors only start working at like 35. Whereas software Engineers can work straight outta college

>> No.10284039

>>10283748
The average doctor makes 200k, my retarded friend. Can you say the same about the average engineer/codemonkey. Medical specialists make much more than your typical family practitioner as well. And your numbers are blown way out of proportion.

>> No.10284058

>>10283762
The "average" software engineer does a 4 year degree and will far out earn a MD over the course of their career. The salary figures do not even factor in earn where engineers earn real money (patent royalties, selling startups etc.)

The average MD (GP) earns less than a high-school teacher. Do you really think MDs make money? Lol.

>>10283820
Read above, and yes the average google engineer has a PhD, this is a specialization similar to medical specialists. So engineering specialists would appear to far out earn medical specialists. Again this is only base salary.

>>10284039
200k is nothing when factor in
>The period and cost of training
>The amount of hours you have to work compared to engineers

Doctors are underpaid even if their work was non-skilled. In terms of skilled work value the value of medical is extremely low in comparison to even below average engineers.

>> No.10284482

Imagine unironically studying medicine in an era where it's one of the easiest disciplines for deeplearning expert systems to replace.

>> No.10284486

>>10284482
And nurses could do the things doctors do to!
Doctors are immune from deeplearning, because a machine cannot legally write, prescription, so there goes any diagnostic procedures or treatment you idiot.
Physician is the one of the safest professions from technological replacement.

>> No.10284489

>>10284486
>And nurses could do the things doctors do to!
Nurse practitioners can and do.
>Doctors are immune from deeplearning, because a machine cannot legally write, prescription, so there goes any diagnostic procedures or treatment you idiot.
Legal protection? Weak.
>Physician is the one of the safest professions from technological replacement.
Plumbers and electricians and carpenters and contractors are far safer than physicians.
The things that are going to be replaced are low-intelligence white collar jobs
>accountants
>physicians
>marketers
>etc.

>> No.10284537

>>10284489
keep dreaming pal, we're going nowhere

>> No.10284597

>>10284486
>Doctors are immune from deeplearning, because a machine cannot legally write, prescription, so there goes any diagnostic procedures or treatment you idiot.
lol
we'll see how long this lasts once the computers start diagnosing conditions with higher accuracy than humans

>> No.10284604

>>10283657
Science
Technology
Engineering
Medicine

>> No.10284618

of course the first week of the semester would begin these undergrad bullshit threads

>> No.10284638

Med student here. Interpersonal skills and interactions are becoming increasingly important in the age of Google reviews. In the end, people are gonna want a nice person called a doctor to tell them what's wrong whether a computer diagnosed them or not

>> No.10284646

>>10284597
You think the companies designing the computers want to be legally liable? The doctor will always be there to sign off on the work.

>> No.10284653

>>10284482
get out of here pseudoAI supporter fag
all general medics graduate as surgeons (and if thats not the case in your country let me tell you its a scam) a shitty "if 1+1=2 then" algorithm with steroids will never replace meds because what your shitty "deep learning" software cant do is discriminate information outside numbers, get priorities by themselves and connect them all to lead to a conclusion.
yes im aware of machine learning usage reading brain scans but they still need a proper neurologist to correlate results because they only compare images from average and ill cases and give indicators without considering an overall perspective. It also will never replace surgeons as we are all different from each other and taking +300.000.000 people as data would still not be enough because the 300.000.001 guy can and will be slightly different enough to render AI surgery dangerous

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10284668

fucking computers can't even interpret this

>> No.10284761

>>10284489
>med
>low intelligence
The chinks that med school attracts who maintain 95%+ averages are way smarter than you bud

>> No.10285068

>>10284597
Don’t underestimate the power of the AMA cartel

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10285207

>>10284058
>The average MD (GP) earns less than a high-school teacher.

>> No.10285223

>>10284668
Not hard to script an interpreter with a query table for least to most dangerous responses to irregularities in a cardiograph.

Did your work for you monkey, now hand over the shekels.

>> No.10285235

>muh AI

Dentist here. We are safe. Doing a good quality filling or root canal requires very capable AI and precision work. Until it gets to the point that self-driving cars consistently drive far better than humans even in bad driving conditions and on subpar roads, I think I have nothing to fear.

>> No.10285275

>>10283952
120k/y for the rest of your life at 22, or 400k/y for the rest of your life at 35. Pick ONE (1).

>> No.10285436

>>10285223
>Not hard to script an interpreter with a query table for least to most dangerous responses to irregularities in a cardiograph.
It's possible with some difficulty and pretty large datasets to highlight fairly obvious ECG issues. If you get a 24hr or 7 day one the patient clicks a thing when they think something is happening, and the device also stores obvious arrythmias.

>> No.10285765

>>10283667
Most doctors in the US have published at least 1 paper (best way to build a CV). Engineers, most stem grads never accomplish this.

So yes they contribute to science than most STEMfags

>> No.10285833

>>10284653
>what your shitty "deep learning" software cant do is discriminate information outside numbers, get priorities by themselves and connect them all to lead to a conclusion.
but that's exactly what it does anon.

in fact they recognize patterns that we've never known existed:
for example from Nature Biomedical: http://archive.is/DUQ8k
>Using deep-learning models trained on data from 284,335 patients and validated on two independent datasets of 12,026 and 999 patients, we predicted cardiovascular risk factors not previously thought to be present or quantifiable in retinal images, such as age, gender, smoking status, systolic blood pressure and major adverse cardiac events.

so actually we're the ones with something to learn from the algorithm not the other way around. government's throwing billions in funding at computer scientists to figure out how to get an AI that can explain its results.
https://www.darpa.mil/program/explainable-artificial-intelligence

and you act as though human surgeons are even close to reliable when actually they fuck up hard, a lot. medical accidents are the third leading cause of death at least in the united states:
https://www.bmj.com/content/353/bmj.i2139

>> No.10285950

Guys, I drank alcohol on an empty stomach and ate heavy shit afterwards now I'm feeling nauseated. What should I do to not throw up?

>> No.10286191

>>10283820
Doctors have to go to graduate school, acquire shit tons of debt, work 80 hour weeks for the first several years, and deal with sick and dying people. Plus if your a G.P (which most doctors are) you're mostly shoving your fingers up old men asses and looking at gross std ridden diseased genitals leaking pus and aids blood.

I'd rather work in a comfy office 40 hours a week without having to go to graduate school desu, CS master race.

>> No.10286201

>>10285950
If you want to throw up, you probably should

>> No.10286419

>>10285950
You'll feel much better after throwing up. Just man up and get it done with.

>> No.10286425

>>10286419
He's not even drunk anymore that was 3 hours ago.

>> No.10286431

>>10283657
Being a doctor doesnt have the prestige it once did and the entire system is heading towards socialization so you'll end up being forced to work for mediocre salaries.

Oh and LOL at people who dont think GPs are going to be automated away.

>> No.10287614

>>10284668
LBBB, tall narrow T waves V1-V3, slight ST elevation, T inversions II, III, aVF, V5, V6, hyperacute MCI? Posterior MCI?

I'm not a cardiologist, also I'm not used to this layout

>> No.10287618

>>10287614
Now I see the P waves, is this a pacemaker?

>> No.10287751

>>10284058
>The average MD (GP) earns less than a high-school teacher.

Stopped reading there, nice try fooling engicucks into maintaining their illusion of having a salary over 130k at any point in their monkey like lives

>> No.10287771

>>10286191
>Plus if your a G.P (which most doctors are) you're mostly shoving your fingers up old men asses
Loved the look on my GP's face when he realized he had to shove his fingers up my ass to after I complained of strange pain in the area. Whole experience makes me cringe like hell thinking about it now.