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Anonymous Mon Jan 7 22:10:24 2019 No.10277733 [Reply] [Original]

Scientifically - are geniuses a genetic kind or self-made from sheer amounts of autism and dedication?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 7 22:11:32 2019 No.10277735 >>10277733 It's genetic pham give it up

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 7 22:14:08 2019 No.10277739 File: 623 KB, 268x240, 0DB3A1D1-0AE6-40B6-A879-D258DBE80B17.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10277735 Fuck man, is there any proof? I’ve been working my ass of over here and am wondering if it’s all for nothing.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 7 22:23:13 2019 No.10277767 >>10277733 Gift to humanity from God. You are powerless, and you should do your best to obey God, NO MATTER WHAT

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 7 22:24:28 2019 No.10277770 >>10277767 Gay. Also, how do you think people obtain this said gift? There are many geniuses that didn’t believe in god, anon.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 7 22:25:55 2019 No.10277775 >>10277770 I don think its god https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RPZ-uWirIN4

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 7 22:27:48 2019 No.10277786 Both.

Anonymous Mon Jan 7 22:27:56 2019 No.10277787

>>10277735
>>10277739

>There are two kinds of scientific progress: the methodical experimentation and categorization which gradually extend the boundaries of knowledge, and the revolutionary leap of genius which redefines and transcends those boundaries. Acknowledging our debt to the former, we yearn, nonetheless, for the latter.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 7 22:30:56 2019 No.10277794 >>10277787 Where did you get this from, anon? Assuming you’re actually using the greentext’s intended purpose and quoting.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 7 22:34:58 2019 No.10277806 Why not apply yourself to finding out? What's holding you back right now, your genetics?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 7 22:45:44 2019 No.10277839 File: 127 KB, 403x403, w_heisenberg.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10277770

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 7 22:46:54 2019 No.10277842 >>10277839 baited the hook

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 7 22:50:23 2019 No.10277852 >>10277735 Why are the children of famous scientists absolute nobodies then? (excluding the Bernoullis and other cherry picked examples)

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 7 23:12:51 2019 No.10277898 autism and dedication area also largerly genetic.... so if you think a bit more you just answered your won question.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 8 08:52:22 2019 No.10278870 >>10277852 this

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 8 08:58:07 2019 No.10278880 >>10277733 Neither, no person is "self-made" and genetics aren't obviously everything otherwise you'd see it down the family tree

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 8 09:11:25 2019 No.10278901 >>10278880 So what is it then?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 8 09:25:28 2019 No.10278927 >>10277733 Neither. It's mostly about the environment. If you weren't lucky to be born into the right family then your chances are minuscule.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 8 09:31:50 2019 No.10278941 >>10278927 Even if it was environmental (which it's not) your family isn't your entire environment. Typically there are also teachers and if tenacious enough you can teach yourself which is really easy nowadays.

Anonymous Tue Jan 8 12:53:04 2019 No.10279398

>>10278941
yeah but I mean if you are talking about geniuses they are almost always born into a wealthy family with easy access to a high-quality education, there are some outliers(though I can't even think of a single one) but that's it

good teacher won't make you a genius if all other puzzles didn't fit in

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 8 18:38:12 2019 No.10280462 >>10277794 Not him but that's from Civilisation: Alpha Centauri by Academician Prokhor Zakharov, "Address to the Faculty"

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 8 18:40:11 2019 No.10280467 >>10279398 Ramanujan?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 8 18:51:57 2019 No.10280501 hard work is definitely needed but there are people who are just born enlightened (i.e. Tesla, Ramanujan) and I have strong suspicion they have connections with extraterrestrials

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 8 18:54:50 2019 No.10280505 All "geniuses" who are anomalies that we know of have always been incredibly spiritual and NEVER autistic. >inb4 Tesla was autistic no

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 8 18:55:37 2019 No.10280506 >>10279398 Maybe you need a good environment to stimulate your genius

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 8 18:56:35 2019 No.10280507 Genius is a decision/light cone with a direct and magnitude of center. What falls or flows out of genius requires people being able to identify it as such.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 8 18:57:13 2019 No.10280509 >>10280462 Thanks, makes it easier to cope for not having high IQ

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 8 19:07:51 2019 No.10280525 >>10277733 Both And although intelligence is highly hereditary, it interesting to note that the children of genius are virtually 0s.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 8 19:47:16 2019 No.10280558 File: 226 KB, 800x631, 1546282109409.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >tfw too stupid to do anything in STEM.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 8 19:48:35 2019 No.10280561 >>10280558 this

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 8 20:00:18 2019 No.10280588 You are not required to be a genius to make a contribution to science

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 8 20:02:49 2019 No.10280592 >>10280588 I understand but I dedicate a lot of my time into it so it’s a shame that I’m not.

Anonymous Tue Jan 8 20:44:46 2019 No.10280671

>>10277787
>>10277794
>>10280462
The quote is clearly influenced by Thomas Kuhn's point of view about science. If you're interested, read The Structure of Scientific Revolutions. Or at least this Wikiquote article; it's a decent selection of passages from it: https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Thomas_Kuhn#The_Structure_of_Scientific_Revolutions_(1962)

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 8 22:02:10 2019 No.10280838 >>10280592 Genius is growth in isolation reacting violently to external observation. Are you sure you don't just want fame? Does the reason for it matter if it is just to feed an ego? (I SAY THAT WITH LOVE IN MY HEART)

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 8 22:10:58 2019 No.10280868 Hey, psst. Do you post on /sci/? Yes? Then you're not a genius and will never be one. Case closed.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 8 22:31:25 2019 No.10280928 >>10280868 So sayeth the immortal feed of people that never expect more to happen in their life. I need like a word for you guys.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 8 22:41:16 2019 No.10280944 >>10277733 The first genius was born of great and tremendous pain and sorrow. Everything else is paramount up to that point.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 8 23:09:47 2019 No.10281017 >>10280944 By that logic figuring out +1 is the last thing they would ever truly understand, because they would have exhausted all other paths save for 1.

Anonymous Tue Jan 8 23:31:35 2019 No.10281065

A "genius" is simply someone who is able to capture knowledge from the inner world and express it in the outer world for the rest of the world to see.

Einstein said: "Although I have a regular work schedule, I take time to go for long walks on the beach so that I can listen to what is going on inside my head. If my work isn’t going well, I lie down in the middle of a workday and gaze at the ceiling while I listen and visualize what goes on in my imagination."

and

"The true sign of intelligence is not knowledge, but imagination"

Anonymous Tue Jan 8 23:47:55 2019 No.10281089

>>10281065
Look, I'll beat your high score later. That is what my imagination is trying to bring to everyone: their own high score game, customized.

A.I. and robots will end up doing everything because rich people don't know how to generate them, only purchase.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 9 01:07:12 2019 No.10281179 I am the memory of all genius; root of stalk. Genius is now for all /sci/ posters who talk.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 9 01:15:51 2019 No.10281192 >>10277787 That's great except the former is increasingly auto-matable.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 9 01:19:59 2019 No.10281198 >>10281192 Would that not be true of all, given sufficient time to advance and be able to reference both points?

Anonymous Wed Jan 9 01:30:23 2019 No.10281206

>>10281198
You need a relatively basic system to run trials and tests on its own over and over and over. You need an incredibly complex AI system to create entirely new theoretical frameworks and mdoels based on experimentation that it has itself designed. Regardless, it can safely be said that experimentation will be automated long before interpretation is.

Anonymous Wed Jan 9 02:14:12 2019 No.10281251

>>10281206
Interpretation is exponential, how could you ever have an algorithm that satisfies ALL angles? If close enough approximation satisfies CERN then I fail to understand why an interpreter automation would not satisfy 90% of society.

Or would you only be satisfied if math confirmed it to be true? Trump is a good counter-example.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 9 02:17:06 2019 No.10281254 >>10277898 Dedication is a facet of autism

Anonymous Wed Jan 9 02:20:05 2019 No.10281257

>>10277733
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L%C3%A1szl%C3%B3_Polg%C3%A1r
>László Polgár (born 11 May 1946 in Gyöngyös), is a Hungarian chess teacher and educational psychologist. He is the father of the famous "Polgár sisters": Zsuzsa, Zsófia, and Judit, whom he raised to be chess prodigies, with Judit and Zsuzsa becoming the best and second best female chess players in the world, respectively.
>He has written well-known chess books such as Chess: 5334 Problems, Combinations, and Games and Reform Chess, a survey of chess variants. He is also considered a pioneer theorist in child-rearing, who believes "geniuses are made, not born". Polgár’s experiment with his daughters has been called "one of the most amazing experiments…in the history of human education."[1]
Let me ask you this, isn't autism and dedication mostly genetic? Geniuses are made, but being self-made is genetic.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 9 02:37:26 2019 No.10281268 >>10277733 Pure luck, but it is something thats heavily selected for, so when it does happen you know its producing offspring.

Anonymous Wed Jan 9 03:09:39 2019 No.10281301

>>10277733
it's genes. read up on 'polygenic score' and 'the nature of nurture'. the old 50/50 has been replaced by 70/30 genes to environment. and using polygenic scores they'll basically know you're 'g' ceiling. in fact, polygenic scores will pretty much be a crystal ball for nearly your entire future, all determined before birth. just need a few more LARGE scale gws studies.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 9 10:00:34 2019 No.10281778 >>10277733 Toxins, like heavy metals, retard genius, so self-determination is not a complete argument.

Anonymous Wed Jan 9 10:06:44 2019 No.10281786

>>10277733
>/sci/ says biology isn’t science
>/sci/ doesn’t understand genetics or molecular biology at all and has no interest in either
>/sci/ will invariably respond to these threads with their opinion
>have to scroll down to the last few posts every time to find someone with even a passing interest in the subject
Very cool!

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 9 10:07:05 2019 No.10281787 >>10277770 Just because you don't believe in God doesn't mean God doesn't believe in you

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 9 10:08:07 2019 No.10281791 >>10277839 I really agree with this.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 9 10:19:01 2019 No.10281812 >>10277733 damn, the last chapter was like the best kind of revenge porn

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 9 11:23:46 2019 No.10281936 >>10277852 Oh look, another person who doesn't understand how genetics works.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 9 22:07:40 2019 No.10283406 >>10280467 yeah he is the first counter-example I thought of, his family wasn't elite by any means but they made sure he receives education and he surely has access to it and a lot of exposure

Anonymous Wed Jan 9 22:42:24 2019 No.10283483

Genius is highly subjective.
The guy who first describes theory of relativity is a genius.
The guy who independently describes relativity, but after the first guy, is ignored despite reaching the same height.
And now, the next genius must go even further. And the genius after that, even further beyond. And so on.

Anonymous Wed Jan 9 23:19:02 2019 No.10283550

>>10277852
>>10278870
>>10280525
Genius is an anomaly in that it is a lucky combination of the alleles that affect intelligence. These are alleles are genetic but the sequence is so rare that genius isn't guaranteed. The genius of Niels Bohr's son was never guaranteed but far, far more likely than the genius of Gauss

Anonymous Thu Jan 10 00:26:22 2019 No.10283708

wrong-
you basically only 'identify' a genius if he makes an academic contribution, which infers sheers amount of autism and dedication.

genius intelligence is almost entirely genetic. HOWEVER it is also relative so maybe stop competing in the 'genius' sector of academics if you want to feel smarter

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 10 06:56:48 2019 No.10284337 >>10277777

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 10 07:04:42 2019 No.10284344 >>10281791 I agree too, anon.

Anonymous Thu Jan 10 07:12:02 2019 No.10284354

What do you mean by a genius? Is it somebody with potential or somebody who actually, at the point in time of their clinical death has produced something by all accounts extraordinary?

You and every cognitively healthy person on this planet has a potential to produce an extra-ordinary thing within your lifetime. What you cannot control are the independent forces in the world that push you in a specific direction, we can theorise and imagine what we are capable of yet it is up to you to decide what your life focus is.

Anonymous Thu Jan 10 11:53:00 2019 No.10284803

My thought is that the greats have trained their resting thoughts to be in servitude to their deepest thoughts. That card-playing blind dude in that netflix documentary has a deck of cards in his hands from the time he wakes up until the time he sleeps. It's his default state. Einstein would have similarly thought deeply about subjects in the same way other people might wonder what they'll have for lunch. I do think it's trainable.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 10 12:16:49 2019 No.10284831 >>10277839 The important fact omitted here is that the god you stop believing in with the first gulp is not the same god you find at the bottom of the glass.

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