SpaceX Starship/BFR hopper construction watch

[Anonymous No.10270196]

FROM SEA TO SHINING SEA edition

thread #11
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[Anonymous No.10270216]

OH SHIT SON BIG BOY CRANE IS HERE

[Anonymous No.10270219]

as every day passes less photoshop layers are needed to put the whole thing together lul

credit Thomas Gerrard

[Anonymous No.10270232]

>>10270196
Why stainless steel and not aluminum? Don't they already have experience with it from Falcon?

[Anonymous No.10270236]

>>10270232
>Why stainless steel and not aluminum?
Is this a serious question?

[Anonymous No.10270239]

>>10270232
Because Elon said so so it must be good so shut up you stupid short porker.

[Anonymous No.10270241]

>>10270219
lmao
those thrusters at the base look so ridiculous tiny and inadequate

[Anonymous No.10270242]

>>10270236
Yes no one has used steel in aerospace for the entire vehicle for decades. Why is Elon suddenly going in such a different direction. Why was the conventional wisdom that steel = too heavy wrong?

[Anonymous No.10270243]

>>10270232
it's delightfully counterintuitive, clearly

[Anonymous No.10270254]

>>10270232
a serious answer, from Elon-

the new structure material is 300-series stainless steel; coldformed at cryo temps
Reasoning: “usable strength/weight at cryo is slightly better than carbon fiber, room temp is worse, high temp is vastly better”
Does it need ablative coating: No; “Leeward side needs nothing, windward side will be activity cooled with residual (cryo) liquid methane, so will appear liquid silver even on hot side”

[Anonymous No.10270258]

>>10270242
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VoegqRJKGE8

[Anonymous No.10270272]

So stainless steel is superior to al-li ? At cryo temps?

[Anonymous No.10270278]

>>10270272
(delightfully)

[Anonymous No.10270283]

>>10270272
here read these https://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/19660015958.pdf https://apps.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a397053.pdf

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[Anonymous No.10270292]

>>10270242
>Yes no one has used steel in aerospace for the entire vehicle for decades. Why is Elon suddenly going in such a different direction. Why was the conventional wisdom that steel = too heavy wrong?

Because in conventional aerospace applications, reentry heating is not a factor outside of ballistic missile warheads, capsules, and spaceplanes. NASA stopped using hot aerostructures after the X-15, and people simply haven't looked in this direction for lightweight, reusable reentry vehicles (the space shuttle was ultimately one of those).

[Anonymous No.10270294]

webbing is 2/3 complete

[Anonymous No.10270302]

the Heatons aren't entirely thrilled about SpaceX
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BL3ogmI0fww

[Anonymous No.10270309]

>>10270302
White boomer with his beaner wife

[Anonymous No.10270310]

>Cryogenic temperatures
Demonstration/test article for liquid methane powered engine maybe?

[Anonymous No.10270314]

>>10270310
it does have three raptors, if that's what you mean. The fuel has to be cryo if you want to avoid bubbles and other nasty effects.

[Anonymous No.10270457]

>>10270232

[Anonymous No.10270462]

>>10270232
because it gets HOT, because it gets COLD.

[Anonymous No.10270463]

>>10270232
stainless steel has a fatigue limit, aluminum does not.

[Anonymous No.10270465]

>poking around for starship pictures
>decide to check Instagram tags
>KPOP BOY BAND OVERLOAD
help

[Anonymous No.10270473]

finally, I found some. Goddamn kpop, I swear...

[Anonymous No.10270475]

[Anonymous No.10270481]

sexiest rocket in the world I tell you what

[Anonymous No.10270493]

>>10270481
I like how it looks like a fucking cartoon rocket yet it's a 100% serious project.

[Anonymous No.10270494]

>>10270493
my one complaint is that the flag is too small for its size

[Anonymous No.10270522]

>>10270242
heat

[Anonymous No.10270524]

mars is cancelled

[Anonymous No.10270529]

what is this rocket exactly?

[Anonymous No.10270536]

[Anonymous No.10270537]

>>10270529
a big shiny AMERICAN DONG that will THRUST America in a GLORIOUS AGE of BIG DICK ROCKETS

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BFR_(rocket)

[Anonymous No.10270538]

>>10270536
IT'S SO FUCKING SEXY AAAAAAAAAA
Also, SpaceX changed their twitter profile pic. It's a black X now. Aesthetic.

[Anonymous No.10270539]

>>10270536

[Anonymous No.10270540]

>>10270536
Gotta admit that walkway is pretty fucking nice looking.

[Anonymous No.10270542]

>>10270536
That's so fucking kino holy shit.

[Anonymous No.10270546]

>>10270539

[Anonymous No.10270547]

>>10270540
I wish they would properly cover the tower so the entire thing is 1950’s scifi like the gantry.
/kino/ as FUCK

[Anonymous No.10270548]

>>10270538

behold

[Anonymous No.10270549]

>>10270524
M E M E R E V I E W

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[Anonymous No.10270552]

>>10270524
Collab with Pew Die Pie?

*A nasal voice screams "OY VEY"*

[Anonymous No.10270553]

>>10270536
ITS HAPPENING

[Anonymous No.10270560]

>>10270536
That's amazing.
The design is so awesome.

[Anonymous No.10270561]

meanwhile at United Lame Alliance

[Anonymous No.10270563]

>>10270536
>>10270538
>>10270553
IT'S HAPPENING

[Anonymous No.10270565]

>>10270536
Kino af

>>10270561
Yikes

[Anonymous No.10270567]

>>10270493
there is no way this thing is for anything but attracting investors... badly.

[Anonymous No.10270569]

>>10270565
>a fucking box

[Anonymous No.10270577]

>>10270569
>We built this aerospace grade high quality crew transfer module for the low cost to the taxpayer of only 500 million dollars

[Anonymous No.10270592]

who will the Guenter Wendt 'pad Fuhrer' for SpaceX? The last person to shake the hands of the astronauts before the hatch is closed?

[Anonymous No.10270595]

>>10270592

[Anonymous No.10270597]

>>10270536
>>10270538
>>10270539
>>10270546
This is really something

[Anonymous No.10270617]

>>10270546
Why is the front of the transporter-erector slightly asymmetrical?

[Anonymous No.10270623]

>>10270569
>The next 100 years of flight starts here
Well keep reaching for the stars I guess

[Anonymous No.10270624]

>>10270617
GSE interface mumbo jumbo. I'm sure you could figure it out with enough up close photos

[Anonymous No.10270627]

>>10270561
To be fair though, that thing looks like it could stand up to more punishment.

[Anonymous No.10270628]

>>10270592
Alex Jones.

[Anonymous No.10270639]

>>10270561
Looks like high quality equipment to me. It's definitely not as sci-fi cool, but it looks like it'll work alright and be fairly easy to maintain.

[Anonymous No.10270643]

>>10270595
Interesting how only 25 years after the war an actual luftwaffe officer could joke around wearing a stahlhelm with a swastika on it and everyone has a good laugh, whereas now such a thing would be grounds for instant firing.

[Anonymous No.10270651]

>>10270643
Because the communist thought-police hadn't successfully corrupted everyone who went through the US' academic pipeline, or attained a commanding presence in the media at the time.

[Anonymous No.10270657]

>Our Germans are better than their Germans

[Anonymous No.10270659]

>>10270651
fucking leftists

[Anonymous No.10270660]

>>10270657
Ruskies didn't even have any proper germans so they had to round up local lads off the street.

[Anonymous No.10270662]

>>10270643
The astronauts had HR by the balls on this one, they wouldn't fly without him
There was a really big stink about it when NASA changed providers between Gemini and Apollo, and without Guenter, Grissom Chaffee and White died.

[Anonymous No.10270676]

Apollo had an aesthetic of its own, but the future belongs to the sleek

[Anonymous No.10270714]

hopefully tomorrow brings more Boca Chica happenings. Goodnight, lads

[Anonymous No.10270737]

>>10270595
Kek can I get a quick rundown on the ebul nahtzee?

[Anonymous No.10270742]

>>10270737
wasn't one of the paperclip folk, but was still a big cog in the space program machine. Ruled the pre-launch pad prep rooms with an iron fist

[Anonymous No.10270841]

>>10270536
Why is dragon nose cap slightly in angel ???

[Anonymous No.10270848]

>>10270841
>Why is dragon nose cap slightly in angel ???
Because they optimized the deployment profile for the parachutes.

[Anonymous No.10270855]

Hopper with Saturn V for scale. This thing is huge!

[Anonymous No.10270864]

>>10270855
Jesus Saturn V was big

[Anonymous No.10270866]

>>10270292
This is a good post

[Anonymous No.10270867]

>>10270242
It depends. Too heavy for what?

[Anonymous No.10270870]

>>10270592
I already know who this will be, but I can't tell you

[Anonymous No.10270873]

>>10270232
>Why stainless steel and not aluminum?

Stainless steel is is a worse choice for an ordinary, expendable rocket. However, for a reusable rocket where you have to deal with reentry heating, you cannot use stainless steel as the stage will melt. Here the choice is either aluminum and a heavy heat shield, or stainless steel with cryogenic cooling. Turns out the second option is better.

[Anonymous No.10270875]

>>10270873
>you cannot use aluminum as the stage will melt

correction

[Anonymous No.10270881]

>>10270873
>>10270875
Adding to this, one of the things learned through the Columbia accident is that titanium suffers even more than bare aluminum when exposed to hypersonic reentry conditions; the titanium parts were considerably more mangled and burnt than the aluminum ones.

[Anonymous No.10270882]

>>10270881
good things come to those who wait?

[Anonymous No.10270883]

>>10270196
Earth is flat

[Anonymous No.10270886]

>>10270592
>>10270870
It's Grimes, isn't it?

[Anonymous No.10270888]

>>10270886
Betting on this

[Anonymous No.10270889]

>>10270886
Elon and Grimes supposedly arent dating anymore.

[Anonymous No.10270890]

>>10270888
>>10270886
they aren't together anymore since August or July retards

[Anonymous No.10270894]

Elon tweeting again

[Anonymous No.10270898]

>>10270894
I love this guy

[Anonymous No.10270899]

>>10270894
>It's actually real
Which timeline is this?

[Anonymous No.10270900]

So how are they going to keep the methalox cold for the entire trip? Isn't that why pretty much all spacecraft use hypergolics for post-launch propulsion?

[Anonymous No.10270901]

>>10270899
Novelty timeline.

[Anonymous No.10270902]

>>10270894
Holy kek

[Anonymous No.10270905]

I think his account got hacked. So tweets from the last year have been weird.

[Anonymous No.10270906]

>>10270889
>>10270890
Thank christ he got rid of that succubus

>>10270905
Surely he would have known after a whole year? I think assorted drugs and booze are probably behind the shitposting lel

[Anonymous No.10270907]

>>10270894
why is every one trying to bring him down i am very concerned he is one of very few people that has a positive effect these days what if he commited sepuku with all this pressure

[Anonymous No.10270908]

>>10270907

[Anonymous No.10270909]

>>10270906
I meant last few hours

[Anonymous No.10270913]

>>10270905
Its vecause hes been talking about ((them))

[Anonymous No.10270919]

>>10270908
which one of these articles is supposed to be hateful, retard?

[Anonymous No.10270920]

>>10270908
>tfw multi billionaire owning multiple cutting edge high technology companies and still can't get away from wahmen drama

[Anonymous No.10270921]

>>10270900
Good insulation, landing propellant tanks are separate and inside main tanks, and probably also active cooling powered by solar panels.

Keeping methane contained is much easier than hydrogen.

[Anonymous No.10270925]

>>10270920
>multiple cutting edge high technology companies
name two

[Anonymous No.10270926]

[Anonymous No.10270930]

>>10270925
>he is back

Good morning, how was your sleep? We missed you already.

[Anonymous No.10270932]

>>10270930
what

[Anonymous No.10270934]

>>10270909
>I meant last few hours
it is just Banks and she is batshit crazy

[Anonymous No.10270936]

>>10270925
Tesla, SpaceX

[Anonymous No.10270937]

>>10270241
Well it doesn‘t need to go fast. Also those are still fucking rocket engines.

[Anonymous No.10270939]

>>10270936
>Tesla
>cutting edge

[Anonymous No.10270941]

He's going to end up like Howard Hughes.

[Anonymous No.10270944]

>>10270242
Previous vehicles only had very small parts going through reentry. I mean sure, Space Shuttle was an exception. But that didn‘t have cryo fuel left during reentry to actively cool even if Nasa had pursued that. Also it was smaller and might‘ve been going too fast for this to work.

[Anonymous No.10270948]

>>10270944
>that's why we gonna use this material on a rocket that falls down even faster with a greater surface area to care about

[Anonymous No.10270949]

>>10270944
>>10270948

Greater surface area is good, it helps to distribute reentry heat

[Anonymous No.10270957]

>>10270864
Still the biggest so far.

[Anonymous No.10270959]

>>10270949

[Anonymous No.10270961]

>>10270939
Cutting edge tent technology.

[Anonymous No.10270962]

>>10270959
The BFR clearly has more surface area, that is a deceptive picture because the payload doors are open.

[Anonymous No.10270963]

why does a pipe dream need 11 threads?

[Anonymous No.10270965]

>>10270959
is the BFR longer than it is round?

[Anonymous No.10270968]

>>10270959
>same size as shuttle
>carries 100 people instead of 7
magic

[Anonymous No.10270969]

>>10270963
because things actually happening in spaceflight are so rare than people are starved for anything

[Anonymous No.10270970]

>>10270965
Do you mean by diameter or circumference

[Anonymous No.10270971]

>>10270969
stage 4: depression?

[Anonymous No.10270973]

>>10270941
Howard Hughes was right about everything.

[Anonymous No.10270974]

>>10270968
Shuttle pressurized volume was around 75 cubic meters. Starship will have over 1000 m3.

[Anonymous No.10270975]

>>10270969
>construction of a hopper
11 fucking threads with 400s of responses
>first time landing on the far side of the moon
>200 responses
no, enough exciting things are happening, it's just that people like to dream about "muh colonisation"

[Anonymous No.10270976]

>>10270959
Bring back the shuttle to compete with BFR when?

[Anonymous No.10270977]

>>10270975
Half of those responses have been you smearing shit on the walls.

[Anonymous No.10270978]

>>10270974
In fact a single BFS will be bigger than the ISS. Turns out building a station with tiny tin cans is not very efficient..

[Anonymous No.10270979]

>>10270975
Far side of the moon is the poor man's version of the near side of the moon.

[Anonymous No.10270980]

>>10270975
>Development of a large spaceship is more interesting than little robot, who would have thunk it.

[Anonymous No.10270982]

>>10270976
At over 500 mil a launch it'd fail. And thats not including costs it would take to get everything spun back up to producing shuttle hardware, or the amount of time it would take.

By the time they got any of the shuttles flying again, all of the commercial programs would be up and running, and BFR would likely be doing LEO flights.

[Anonymous No.10270983]

I'm screencapping all of this shit lmao
see you in 2 years losers

[Anonymous No.10270984]

>>10270982
Yes but you aren't counting the patriotic value of bringing back a symbol. Costs are irrelevant to the government anyway.

[Anonymous No.10270990]

>>10270982
>500mil
Haha. No.
Averaged higher than 1.5 billion per flight.

[Anonymous No.10270992]

>>10270980
>development of a meme is more interesting than an actual spacecraft performing its mission
you musktards really are children.

[Anonymous No.10270995]

>>10270990
Flying a Saturn V cost like 1.1 billion by the way.

[Anonymous No.10270998]

>>10270975
WHY ARE MY WOJAK THREADS NOT GETTING ANY RESPONSES?
HELLO?
STOP DOING ROCKETS!!!!!!!

[Anonymous No.10270999]

>>10270995
For 5 times the payload mass, tough.

[Anonymous No.10271000]

>>10270990
Wasnt that in the later years when they had to have another shuttle on the pad ready to fly in the event the first one couldn't safely come back?

[Anonymous No.10271001]

>>10270983
You'll be back in two hours and you know it.

[Anonymous No.10271003]

>>10270999
Not to mention it could go to the fucking moon while the Shuttle was stuck at LEO.

[Anonymous No.10271015]

>>10270998
are you unironically retarded
both things are about rockets and space travel

[Anonymous No.10271016]

>>10271003
>it wasn't designed to do specific thing x, but instead specific thing y, so it was shit
it's gonna be so sweet watching this pipe dream fall apart when retards realise you can't use a single rocket for literally everything

[Anonymous No.10271022]

>>10271016
Shuttle was not designed for a specific mission at all.

[Anonymous No.10271024]

>>10271022
yeah they just built it for fun amirite

[Anonymous No.10271025]

reminder not to reply to the lone tranny trying to discourage space travel

[Anonymous No.10271027]

>>10271022
>launch shit and people into earth orbit
specific and "simple"
>launch shit and people to LEO, Moon, Mars, Jupiter probably, able to also reenter and be reused like a Shuttle but also isn't bad like the Shuttle like totally you guise
hmmm

[Anonymous No.10271032]

>>10271024
Shuttle was originally intended to support a wide range of missions, including military sats, commercial sats, space station, lunar and mars missions, basically everything.. only later on it became apparent that it was a fundamentally bad design and so everything except the station was scrapped/moved to other LVs.

[Anonymous No.10271035]

>>10271032
>including military sats, commercial sats, space station,
sure
>lunar and mars missions
nope, maybe in the early prototype drafts without a specific chosen design when people were retarded and dreaming about muh moon colonisation

[Anonymous No.10271038]

>>10271022
One could even say the ISS was designed to give it a mission and the reason it kept going after Challenger which proved more than just how explosive it is.

[Anonymous No.10271046]

>>10270975
There's very little to discuss about Chang'e 4. The vehicle is nothing new, China doesn't release much info/media about it, and aside from the extra lunar satellite required there's nothing different or exciting about landing on the far side.

[Anonymous No.10271051]

>>10271046
what is there to discuss in this thread? literally 0 new info has been posted so far aside from musk shitposting

[Anonymous No.10271053]

>>10271035
Originally the space shuttle was intended to ferry astronauts to and from a larger Mars transfer vehicle that stayed in space. So technically he's right.

Then everything else got cut and it got turned into a space pickup.

[Anonymous No.10271056]

>>10271051
Not much right now, but there has been a steady drip of new photos and info over the last week or so. Plus the fact stainless steel is such a departure from conventional rocket design makes it extra interesting.

[Anonymous No.10271071]

>>10271022
>>10271032
You can tell it was designed for military missions, just by looking at the size of the payload bay. The Airforce bribed NASA to make it big enough to hold this: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/KH-9_Hexagon; it never did due to the Challenger disaster, but it did launch some other classified missions. Also, guess where pic related is:

[Anonymous No.10271078]

>>10271071
iirc the early concepts didn't even have a payload bay until the military got involved, it was just going to be a passenger vehicle

[Anonymous No.10271107]

>To newcomers:
>Perhaps give it a couple of weeks before you start posting. You will learn a lot about NSF etiquette just from reading the forums for a while.
>There are many very knowledgable engineers and scientists in here. A lot can be learnt from them.
stop shitposting on NSF

[Anonymous No.10271109]

>>10271071
The harm from the USAF is a bit overblown and tin-foily. Without their funding the american space program would have likely ended at the time since the political push for SHUT IT DOWN and the public perception of waste was quite strong. Some say just use the Saturn V but the truth is production of those had halted even before the moon landings and there was extremely poor interest to say the least in restarting it. Also a "simple rocket". And nazis. The viking missions were on the brink of being axed because of the fears they'll act as a basis for human landing... A very complicated political environment and ultimately NASA being a government agency had no way to escape that. The shuttle being frozen design rather than consistently being improved over the years is also a consequence of politics.

The only way to avoid endless repeats of that with slight changes to the tune is by circumventing the government as much as possible.

[Anonymous No.10271115]

>>10270493
>yet it's a 100% serious project
no

[Anonymous No.10271118]

>>10271109
>The only way to avoid endless repeats of that with slight changes to the tune is by circumventing the government as much as possible.
which is literally impossible since space exploration is currently absolutely unprofitable

[Anonymous No.10271152]

>>10271115
>>10271118
please die

[Anonymous No.10271161]

>>10271152
I'm not him retard
also stop being a fucking pussy

[Anonymous No.10271162]

Why is the hopper made of steel if it's never going to do more than small hops?

[Anonymous No.10271163]

>>10271162
pipe
dream

[Anonymous No.10271165]

>>10271162
Do you want them to make it of carbon fiber then?
>Why do they make it of carbon fiber if the final version will be steel???(^^)

[Anonymous No.10271167]

>>10271165
It could be made out of whatever is cheapest for a test hopper. Maybe steel is the cheapest idk.
Its still odd that they are polishing it and making it aerodynamically shaped though. Grasshopper was not streamlined or anything.

[Anonymous No.10271170]

>>10271118

Then we need a COTS/CCDev style program - government funding but private execution.

[Anonymous No.10271172]

>>10271118
>which is literally impossible since space exploration is currently absolutely unprofitable
You can keep the role of government restricted to funding only.

[Anonymous No.10271174]

>>10271162
practice run of a manufacturing process similar to the real spaceship?

[Anonymous No.10271176]

>>10271172
>You can keep the role of government restricted to funding only.
>just give money to our company and expect nothing in return
lmal

[Anonymous No.10271178]

>>10271176

>nothing in return

Development of efficient spaceflight technology is not nothing.

[Anonymous No.10271179]

>>10271178
efficient for what

[Anonymous No.10271182]

>>10271025
>trying to discourage space travel
He never said anything against space travel he just dislikes Musk and there are some good reasons to criticize them.
Why can't you guys handle criticizm like adults?

[Anonymous No.10271184]

>>10271172
No, it doesn't work like that. Sooner or later you will have politicians who are against that and then he they will be elected.

[Anonymous No.10271187]

>>10271182
to musk fans, hating on
musk/spacex=hating space exploration
>>10271184
this, it all comes down to "we want money unconditionally" which to everyone's non-retarded knowledge is not possible

[Anonymous No.10271190]

>>10271182
It is not criticism, he is just spewing bullshit and ad hominems. We can discuss actual technical points but since he has no clue about any of that he vener makes one.

[Anonymous No.10271191]

Kek it's so painfully obvious it's the same dude coming here, always around similar times with identical bait posting styles.

[Anonymous No.10271195]

>>10271187
>it all comes down to "we want money unconditionally"

No, obviously there will be a fixed price contract with conditions. It is actually under stricter conditions than traditional contracts. The point is that control of the design, ownership and execution of the entire system will be in private hands, with government role merely in funding and oversight. Such approach has already proved to be very successful for commercial resupply and crew, it is nothing out of the ordinary. We just need more of the same.

[Anonymous No.10271212]

>>10271187
Sounds a lot like cultish behaviour, why can't they just talk about space travel or rocket science without the "fuck government" "fuck NASA fuck ESA" stuff?
Sounds a lot like to me that they are not really interested in space-travel or rockets at all they just want to jerk off to this rich south african liar.

[Anonymous No.10271215]

>>10271190
>spewing bullshit and ad hominems
The FACT that Musk is a know liar?
The FACT that he always underdelivers?
Pretty good reasons not to just eat and repeat his bullshit PR claims imho.
It's a mars rocket if it actually reaches Mars, right now this is just a shitty mock up.
I don't see Musks fans defending him/his projects with evidence or arguments his fans here use ad-hominem and spewing bullshit exactly what you are saying his critics do.
>No you!!!
Not a very good argument my friend.

[Anonymous No.10271216]

>>10270536
Fuck, that's so awesome I thought it was a render at first.

[Anonymous No.10271223]

Threadly reminder to not respond to him.

[Anonymous No.10271238]

>>10271167
>It could be made out of whatever is cheapest for a test hopper.
Considering this is literally built by a water tower manufacturer, I'd say, steel is the cheapest.
>Its still odd that they are polishing it and making it aerodynamically shaped though.
Well the polish is 100% marketing. The shape might be helpful, I don't know.

[Anonymous No.10271241]

>>10271238
>built by a water tower manufacturer
lmao this can't be true

[Anonymous No.10271242]

>>10271223
Threadly reminder that you have never proven me wrong, that you have 0 arguments or evidence on your side and that "do not reply" shows how weak your position is.
Pathetic naive crybaby

[Anonymous No.10271265]

>>10271223
High level of samefagging.

[Anonymous No.10271279]

>>10270196
Okay, what's the official statement justifying the existence of this gigantic tin can?

[Anonymous No.10271283]

>>10270936
>>10271152
>>10271178

[Anonymous No.10271290]

>>10271241
>>10271238
I've heard several knowledgeable people say this, so I'm thinking it's true. I believe the whole "it's just a water tank" argument originated from early on in the construction, when there was just the steel base tank and Nomadd (a guy on NSF who lives in BC) remarked that SpaceX had contracted a water tank company to build it...

[Anonymous No.10271291]

>>10271283
>he thinks Tesla is a "cutting-edge" technology and calls others retards
top kek

[Anonymous No.10271323]

>>10271291
To one is racist as fuck.

[Anonymous No.10271330]

>>10271323
2 billion minorities? Sounds like a majority to me

[Anonymous No.10271345]

>>10270855
Comparison with Falcon 9.

[Anonymous No.10271349]

>>10271330
If there were 10 billion minorities and 1 white guy, the white guy would still be the majority, goy.

[Anonymous No.10271350]

>>10270196
Can someone plaid pill me on what this statue is supposed to be?

[Anonymous No.10271356]

>>10271349
probably because the white guy would be the owner.

[Anonymous No.10271362]

>>10271350
phallus that shall pierce the heavens

[Anonymous No.10271363]

>>10271356

[Anonymous No.10271366]

>>10271363
not white, according to twitter he loves anime. even if its just PR, it disqualifies him.

[Anonymous No.10271379]

>>10271366
Everyone on 4channel loves anime. That is why we are all here.

[Anonymous No.10271383]

>>10271379
absolutely disgusting

[Anonymous No.10271389]

>>10271383
This is the future white men chose.

[Anonymous No.10271391]

>>10271383
How new are you? lol

[Anonymous No.10271404]

>>10271389
if thats the case, im glad we're being replaced

[Anonymous No.10271431]

>wake up
>check thread
goddamnit people, we go through this every day.


On an on-topic note, they're probably going to do some lifting today.....

[Anonymous No.10271435]

>>10271242
>never proven me wrong

Prove yourself right.

[Anonymous No.10271445]

Someone one on Reddit knows a SpaceX employee who says that the raptors are very real but are not full thrust

[Anonymous No.10271448]

>>10271445
Why are they so small compared to the whole structure and why are they so close to each other?
For the time being, they just look ridiculous.

[Anonymous No.10271450]

>>10271445
what more proof do you need that muskfags are all redditors
>>10271435
>my rocket is going to do everything and more!
>no it's not, and you always lie retard
>prove it lel

[Anonymous No.10271453]

>>10271448
1.3m bell diameter. Keep in mind the final Starship will have seven, not three.

[Anonymous No.10271463]

>>10271453
Are they planing auxiliary thrusters to rotate the ship?

[Anonymous No.10271472]

>>10271450
"muskfags" are everywhere

on the other hand, there is only one place where anti-muskfags congregate, and that is reddit, so get the fuck back there

[Anonymous No.10271478]

>>10271463
massive ones, yes. It's not known if this hopper will have any, though.

[Anonymous No.10271482]

>>10271463
This is what they are planning, 7 raptors at the base, unless the design changes again

[Anonymous No.10271484]

>>10271450
>prove it lel

Yes, prove it. I'm not the one making statements about any functionality of any future technology.

[Anonymous No.10271493]

>>10271482
It looks better like this when most of the engine is hidden.

[Anonymous No.10271499]

>>10271472
>knowing about some kind of anti-muskfag place
>knowing that it's from Reddit
please leave this board anon

[Anonymous No.10271506]

>>10271279
a SpaceX spokesperson & also Elon Musk have said that it is a test hopper for the starship development program. SpaceX has received a license from the FAA to conduct 5000 meter hop tests with the rocket.

[Anonymous No.10271511]

>>10271350
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Ivr6JF1K-8 this but much, much larger. Tests all sorts of systems for the later, full-height (and orbital) version.

[Anonymous No.10271541]

>>10271511
Damn, I thought it was going to be the tip of a big rocket, not the rocket itself. So, this will be full 1950s sci-fi rocketry?

[Anonymous No.10271550]

>>10271541
precisely, which is partly why this is all so exciting.

[Anonymous No.10271555]

>>10271463
Yes.They plan to use very high power methane thrusters that are probably capable of soft lunar touchdown without engines. We might see them tested on the water tank hopper but who knows.

[Anonymous No.10271561]

neat video of driving through comfy Boca Chica /SPILife/videos/350697405661488/ facebook link; darn spam filter

[Anonymous No.10271568]

dare I say, it's happening? The suspense is itching me to no end

[Anonymous No.10271585]

>>10271541
>yfw
It is amazing how old scifi was dismissed for decades yet its now becoming a reality that could open up the solar system.

[Anonymous No.10271586]

oc donut stainless steel

[Anonymous No.10271593]

[Anonymous No.10271594]

>>10271586
waaagh

[Anonymous No.10271595]

imagine someone building a ship bigger than this? or maybe they'll build it in space. we need space shipyards.

[Anonymous No.10271600]

>>10271568
Why would they stack the cone first and then move everything onto the base, rather than stack the middle bit then the cone? You wouldn’t have to lift as much for the latter.

[Anonymous No.10271608]

>>10271391
They're roughly the same weight. The left side is *slightly* heavier.

[Anonymous No.10271614]

>>10271600
Because 7000 spacex engineers and Elon Xristos Musk said so. Get back to your shorts shorty.

[Anonymous No.10271618]

>>10271585
>build shitty 5km hopper
>suddenly it's the answer to anything and everything and space colonisation is becoming a reality

[Anonymous No.10271621]

>>10271600
the top dome pieces are a different gauge/type of stainless steel than the bottom silo. It's likely easier to get inside to attach them with the help of the concrete platform, since the silo part is already full of raptors and what have you. Easier to climb up instead of climbing down

[Anonymous No.10271624]

>>10271618
He didn't found Tesla motors, he was an angel investor and kicked out the founders.

[Anonymous No.10271626]

[Anonymous No.10271627]

EVERYONE SHUT UP, ELON HAS SOMETHING TO SAY

[Anonymous No.10271631]

>>10271600
Easier to work with when not attached to the base and more structurally rigid when complete. Also don't respond to the retard probably half the posts itt are his.

[Anonymous No.10271632]

>>10271627
so.... they're older pieces probably acting as fit checks? Good that we have a date anyways

[Anonymous No.10271634]

>>10271627
so the engines on starhopper are fakes?

[Anonymous No.10271636]

>>10271634
not fake, just an older version that they've surpassed with the recent radically redesigned ones. But, the general plumbing is likely similar so they (I assume) stuck them in the hopper to test fitting and electricals and stuff

[Anonymous No.10271641]

4-8 weeks until the first hopper test!

[Anonymous No.10271649]

>>10271641
This might hop before the crew dragon test flight...

[Anonymous No.10271651]

>>10270241
It could actually fly on a single engine for hop tests, the current theory is they are running 3 for engine out testing.

>>10270242
Reusability is the name of the game, sure they lose Delta-V to steel but they save money on refurbishment / re-flight.

[Anonymous No.10271654]

>>10271649
I doubt the shutdown will go on that much longer, but you could very well be correct

[Anonymous No.10271661]

>>10271651
engine out testing, along with just simply running three raptors at once. All sorts of unknowns with the software or hardware could pop up if they have them firing and gimbaling at the same time.

[Anonymous No.10271663]

>>10271654
>I doubt the shutdown will go on that much longer
all the dems have to do is fund The Wall and the shutdown will end

[Anonymous No.10271664]

>>10271634
Real but not operational
Or maybe they are, but they're not going to stay there

[Anonymous No.10271666]

>>10271627
Hybrid Raptors huh? Reminds of that shitty new Jurassic Park film, we calling them Indoraptors then?

[Anonymous No.10271669]

OFFICAL RENDER

[Anonymous No.10271676]

>>10271669
elon got sick of all the shitty ms paint mockups

[Anonymous No.10271691]

>>10271669
doesn't look official

[Anonymous No.10271693]

>>10271669
no holes? i noticed that the fins/wings have rounded bottoms.

[Anonymous No.10271697]

>>10271663
>Just fund the wall and there will be an end to the shutdown.

[Anonymous No.10271700]

we /retrofuture/ now

[Anonymous No.10271710]

>>10271700
the future that was promised shall come to pass

[Anonymous No.10271711]

>>10271693
The holes are just so people can breathe whilst working inside.

[Anonymous No.10271713]

there's a spooky ghost man in the right side of the image?

>>10271693
he says it will be "similar" to the render. But maybe the holes will be filled

[Anonymous No.10271714]

>>10271669
Render metal still problem these days

[Anonymous No.10271716]

>>10271714
yeah... was always a pain back when I did a cinema4d class. That and GODDAMN TEXTURE WRAPPING. Took me ages to get a stupid strawberry right

[Anonymous No.10271717]

>>10271714
Also they are an aerospace company not a SFX company. I have the sneaking suspicion they just get a CAD engineer to knock it up instead of a professional artistic modeller / texturer.

[Anonymous No.10271721]

>>10271717
maybe they knock it up out of actual cad parts
I think you can export that stuff into useable 3d modeling stuff

[Anonymous No.10271722]

>>10271663
i thought Mexico was gonna fund it?

[Anonymous No.10271728]

>>10271714
>>10271717

It looks like a digital painting, not a render.
You can see the default round brush marks left on the bottom.

[Anonymous No.10271729]

>>10271728
I agree- other parts look 100% digitally drawn.

[Anonymous No.10271733]

>>10271711
There have to be openings for fueling and shit, if those are on the """top""" side, that could be where they would put the fuel and ground telemetry ports anyhow.

[Anonymous No.10271735]

>>10271733
it will get hot as balls inside; could be for cooling as well. there's still workers doing stuff inside of it

[Anonymous No.10271745]

>>10271733
Given that they plan to dock ass to ass for LEO refueling I suspect it'll take fuel from the bottom though the same ports.

[Anonymous No.10271753]

>>10271717
>aerospace company not a SFX company
pretty SFX is 90% of spacex' marketing strategy

[Anonymous No.10271763]

>>10271753
For a huge global news announcement like "we plan to colonise Mars" yes, for a dinky little graphic only space nerds care about no.

[Anonymous No.10271778]

>>10271669
Where are all the dents and wibble wobbles? There's not even any tape holding up the flag! Rubbish!

[Anonymous No.10271780]

>>10271763
literally every space company "plans to colonise mars"

[Anonymous No.10271786]

>>10271669
Nice jpg flag

[Anonymous No.10271789]

>>10271753
That "waterline" I don't believe by eyeball is anywhere near high enough for reentry.

[Anonymous No.10271790]

>>10271735
Welders like it when it's hot as balls
It's a good excuse to fuck off

[Anonymous No.10271794]

>>10271780
They don't though.
Lockheed is the one that's even remotely close to saying that and they just said they're gonna build a lander.

[Anonymous No.10271796]

why is one part shiny and the other part is not?

[Anonymous No.10271798]

>>10271794
Also Boeing says they’ll beat SpaceX to mars, but I kind of doubt that as well

[Anonymous No.10271800]

>>10271763
>>10270975
>>10271035
>>10271618
>>10271780

[Anonymous No.10271801]

>>10271789
It's a bit past the halfway mark, its fine.

[Anonymous No.10271802]

>>10271593
At last I see.

[Anonymous No.10271806]

>>10271789
What waterline?

[Anonymous No.10271809]

>>10271802
I wonder if it'll be orbit capable if they put it on top of super heavy

[Anonymous No.10271810]

>>10271780
You may notice that they have only started saying that since one company said it first.
Hell even NASA was saying Mars isn't worth the effort before SpaceX said they were going.

>>10271789
It only needs to cover halve the body, a little more is nice because then you can manoeuvre.

>>10271798
They will because the government will fund it as a prestige mission because if private enterprise is on the cutting edge people question NASA's existence.

[Anonymous No.10271813]

if they start building a 2nd right when this first one is done we at least know their confidence with the survivability of the test article, lul

[Anonymous No.10271814]

>>10271801
If that's really the level of reasoning it's shit.

[Anonymous No.10271818]

>>10271813
That isn't how prototyping works, even if it preforms perfectly you want it to do that for awhile before committing to a design.
Unless you are making the F-35.

[Anonymous No.10271819]

>>10271814
Most re entry heating is the pillow of plasma you sit on. Not much else gets heated. See: every space capsule/plane ever. Only the directly ground-facing side gets the special coatings or plating

[Anonymous No.10271823]

>>10271798 >>10271794
how can Lockheed, Boeing and NASA limp Beta Bois even compete against SpaceX's BBC (Big Black Co-...) ... i.e. BFR (Big Falcon Rocket)

[Anonymous No.10271824]

>>10271810
>NASA was saying Mars isn't worth the effort

Translation: we can't milk funding for it so it isn't worth the effort

[Anonymous No.10271825]

>>10271819
>>10271814

[Anonymous No.10271830]

>>10271823
>frog/wojak posters are always shitposters

Seems legit.

[Anonymous No.10271831]

>>10271722
shh, dont rustle the MAGA's

[Anonymous No.10271832]

>>10271819
That very clearly has quite a bit more than the directly ground facing side covered. And it's a much smaller craft.

[Anonymous No.10271836]

>>10271825
And that isn't even vaguely the same shape.

[Anonymous No.10271837]

>>10271823
The issue here isn't the designs, the issue is how corporate Boeing and Lockheed have become
Spacex is starting to succumb, but they're cognizant of the administrative and bureaucratic corruption and attempting to fix it

[Anonymous No.10271838]

>>10271832
Learn about angle of attack, everything will become clear.

[Anonymous No.10271846]

>>10271836
>>10271832
who pooped in your spaghetti? It’s irrelevant anyways since ‘19BFR doesn’t have that sort of coating. It uses cryo methane as a heat soak and the reflectivity of the steel to act as the cooling solution.

[Anonymous No.10271850]

>>10271837
The space gateway is a perfect example of corruption leading to stupidity, it is meant to be a stopover for interplanetary mission but doesn't save any time and costs Delta-V.
It's basically a more expensive and less useful ISS for the big boys to milk resupply contracts from.

[Anonymous No.10271851]

>>10271838
Angle of attack won't make enough difference, they can't have run the right fluid sims or gone in with the right assumptions when designing it. Then again I am eyeballing.

[Anonymous No.10271854]

>>10271846
That's worse if they've got it wrong, you'll have a nice cool belly, but then a suddenly very hot area where it isn't actively cooled but should be around the belly.

[Anonymous No.10271856]

>>10271851
Why not? it's pretty wide leading to the shockwave sitting off the body and deflecting the worst of it away.

[Anonymous No.10271864]

>>10271856
What happens when you have a very large surface creating large discontinuities in a very fast fluid? Where would you think this happens on this hopper thing?

[Anonymous No.10271871]

>>10271824
Wtf is this

[Anonymous No.10271874]

>>10271864
I know what you are saying that is why I made a point of mentioning the bow shock, the air can't rush in behind the body because it suffers flow separation at the edge of the shockwave.
This is why capsules have fuck all thermal protection on the top.

[Anonymous No.10271876]

>>10271871
Automated tire inflator NASA developed should a Tesla ever park anywhere near them.

[Anonymous No.10271877]

>>10271871
NASA used it to test Shuttle tires. Unmanned in case the tire exploded during testing.

[Anonymous No.10271879]

>>10271871
shuttle tire popper. Cost the taxpayer ~$80,000

[Anonymous No.10271880]

>>10271850
its not corruption that is the problem, it's funding long term plans. a small affordable station like originally planned is easily killable by a change in government, even by a lone congressman or president. so in order to protect the station, nasa is getting more organizations involved, thereby giving it stronger political bonds, making it harder to kill. the station is a manifestation of the reality of politics, not because of corruption.

[Anonymous No.10271882]

>>10271879
And NASA is supposedly one of the most efficient government agencies. I cant even imagine the amount of waste that must be going on elsewhere..

[Anonymous No.10271883]

>>10271880
Also the boot condundrum.
A rich man can afford an expensive pair of boots, which lasts a long time. A poor man can afford a cheap pair of boots- which he has to constantly replace.

In the end, the rich man actually spends less money on boots.

[Anonymous No.10271889]

>>10271883
Price has nothing to do with quality or durability

[Anonymous No.10271891]

>>10271882
If you want to know look into all the small arms replacement programs since the M16 was first introduced. Time after time they throw billions at finding the next assault rifle and every time they decide it's not a big enough improvement to replace the M16 / M4.
It's basically just a way to keep arms manufacturers that missed military contracts afloat by giving them busy work on the tax payers dime.

>>10271880
You are correct and given how many congress men have dealt with NASA over the years there would be mountains of salt if all those plants around the nation shut down.

[Anonymous No.10271893]

>>10271883
NASA is a rich man, to the tune of $20 billion per year. It just cannot cease spending money on bullshit (or is not allowed to).

[Anonymous No.10271902]

>>10271893
>funfact; avg nasa budget is only about 15% lower than apollo when inflation adjusted

[Anonymous No.10271904]

>>10271891
>>10271882
>>10271850

[Anonymous No.10271919]

>>10271850
>>10271880
No, the issue is politics and paperwork sticking their noses into the design process

[Anonymous No.10271953]

>>10271882
>buy $200 in parts
>charge $79,800 in labor

NASA is for grant farming only.

[Anonymous No.10271959]

>>10271850
the thing I hate about the space gateway is that it markets itself as a 'sensible' option of incremental growth. It only becomes useful when lunar mining/fuel production becomes a thing, which isn't for a very long time. Add to that the fact that landing on Mars has roughly the same delta-v requirement for landing on the moon (due to aerobraking) and there really is no argument for the gateway, other than 'muh radiation' or maybe additional life support mass hits for the longer journey, but certainly not something so prohibitive that merits the gateway's expense.

[Anonymous No.10271963]

>>10271789

[Anonymous No.10271965]

>>10271959
>landing on Mars has roughly the same delta-v requirement for landing on the moon
yea fuck coming back amirite

[Anonymous No.10271972]

>>10271837
Boeing and Lockheed in Aerospace Industry are like IBM on Tech Industry.

Ageing, sluggish, narrow minded & corrupt corporations that lack innovation

[Anonymous No.10271974]

>>10271959
After running the ISS for all this time I would consider the next incremental move to be a manned lunar base.
Figure out all the challenges needed for Mars but you are only 3 days from Earth if something goes wrong.

[Anonymous No.10271979]

>>10271974
I agree, but that probably won't happen unless someone legit smart is in charge.

[Anonymous No.10271982]

>>10271965
except making fuel on Mars is more feasible than making fuel on the Moon. Methane is much easier to deal with, plus the Martian environment is much less oppressive.

[Anonymous No.10271984]

>>10271974
it's a fair plan, and I wouldn't be surprised if there is some extended Starship stay on the Lunar surface before people are sent to Mars.

[Anonymous No.10271991]

>>10271982
>muh isru
literally doesn't even exist yet

[Anonymous No.10271992]

>>10271972
I had a friend on the inside, it broke him.

[Anonymous No.10271998]

>>10271991
correct, but it will be even easier than Lunar ISRU when it does exist. Lunar ISRU will be hydrogen/oxygen fuel which is utter shite to deal with

[Anonymous No.10272001]

honestly, how many of you anons would take a one-way ticket to mars? You’d have to work hard once you got there, of course.
I would

[Anonymous No.10272008]

>>10271998
3 days away, bring your own carbon
Just throw some blocks of graphite at them
>>10272001
If I got to bring my guns

[Anonymous No.10272010]

>>10271998
lunar ISRO is called “earth resupply”. Same thing as if Phobos had a base. You’d just use the fuel made on Mars.

[Anonymous No.10272015]

Someone has created a render a bit more realistic than Elon's.

[Anonymous No.10272018]

>>10272015
nice

[Anonymous No.10272022]

>>10272001
Years ago I would have said yes but now I wouldn't. I probably have ~40 years left and ~20 of them will be productive meaning I spend half my remaining years being useless in a place that doesn't even have cocaine and hookers.

[Anonymous No.10272026]

>>10272001
I wouldn't.
I feel like there's many things to be done on earth before the space era, like the AI race which I want to contribute to.

[Anonymous No.10272031]

>>10272022
>implying everyone on mars won’t always be doped up on drugs the whole time to increase productivity

[Anonymous No.10272044]

>>10271992
One of my friends works at Lockheed. He says nepotism is everywhere; he basically only got an internship since his dad works in the same department he wanted to work in....

[Anonymous No.10272045]

>>10271959
Gateway was "chosen" because nothing else is possible as SLS and Orion suck the budget dry while launching only once a year. You cannot do a Mars mission with that, you cannot even do a Moon mission either. It even sucks as a LEO launcher. So Gateway it is. My only hope is that it will serve as an incentive to develop commercial lunar capability before it is inevitably cancelled.

[Anonymous No.10272046]

>>10271959
Gateway is a jobs program masquerading as a Lunar program with promises for Mars.
>makes lunar landings harder
>exposes astronauts to full solar storm danger
>will take decades and billions
>guarantees no lunar base or anything else during its existence

[Anonymous No.10272050]

>>10272045
>once a year
It’s 33 months between the first two flights now.

[Anonymous No.10272060]

>>10272001
Include me

[Anonymous No.10272086]

>>10272045
>develop commercial lunar capability
Won't help at all. It's much harder to reach without larger rockets and this essentially filters out new entries or anyone without already quite developed capability. Maybe that's the idea so we don't see a repeat of commercial cargo.

Why not Moon Direct?
https://youtu.be/PhGFMd-8zz8

[Anonymous No.10272152]

>>10272015
I got some hot new info for you that you'll find out later. It's gonna look pretty much like Elon's pic and rapidly so.

[Anonymous No.10272156]

>>10272152
spill the L2 beans brotha

[Anonymous No.10272161]

>>10272156
No i am an honorable faggot. You'll see as soon as someone heads out and takes more pics.

[Anonymous No.10272172]

>>10272161
>>10272161
>>10272161
That's stingy L2 niggas for you...does Chris B physically hunt you down if you leak 'classified' information?

[Anonymous No.10272177]

hello, what's this?

[Anonymous No.10272181]

shiny

[Anonymous No.10272187]

>>10272177
>>10272181
THE SHINING

[Anonymous No.10272192]

>>10272172
Yes he will have his friends on the ISS throw tungsten balls at my house.

Also, as shown by >>10272177 we're only getting like 30 minutes of advanced notice on this shit.

[Anonymous No.10272193]

>>10272187 >>10272181

[Anonymous No.10272197]

>>10272193
ula on the right

[Anonymous No.10272216]

on a scale of 1-10 how blind do you think the workers are

[Anonymous No.10272234]

0 additional sections left. Lift it already!

[Anonymous No.10272238]

>>10272216
12 blind

[Anonymous No.10272254]

are we just going to ride this thread out or migrate to the 'is this nigga for real' thread. Could also make a new one...

[Anonymous No.10272259]

>>10272254
Are you aware of how long threads last on /sci/

[Anonymous No.10272260]

>>10271669
looks like something i'd stick up my ass

[Anonymous No.10272267]

>>10272234
hmmm, the sweet savor of jpeg artifacts

[Anonymous No.10272274]

why. is. the. top. shiny. and. the. bottom. is. not.

[Anonymous No.10272278]

>>10272274
see
>>10272181
>>10272177

[Anonymous No.10272283]

>>10272274
The stainless plates come with a matte finish from the factory
The stainless sheets come with a shiny finish

[Anonymous No.10272300]

>>10272283
are the plates somehow structural?

[Anonymous No.10272316]

>>10272300
The big plates at the base are massively structural. They support the landing loads and thrust loads from the engines.

[Anonymous No.10272670]

Hopper will not have perfectly smooth mirror look, actual Starship will.

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1081662202124296192

[Anonymous No.10272678]

We're past the bump limit. New thread?

[Anonymous No.10272682]

>>10272678
Nevermind. I guess there already is a new thread.
>>10271969

[Anonymous No.10272694]

>>10272682
there are morons and a bot in that thread

[Anonymous No.10272707]

>>10272694
True. Does someone want to make BFR Hopper Watch thread 12?

[Anonymous No.10272714]

>>10272707
nah it’s fine, a jannie is already cleaning it up

[Anonymous No.10272741]

thread 12 please

[Anonymous No.10272856]

>>10272694
>there are morons and a bot in that thread
How do you separate them?

[Anonymous No.10272883]

>>10272741
if they lift the dome I’ll make it

[Anonymous No.10272939]

>>10271809
>test payload for super heavy is this fucking meme machine

[Anonymous No.10272949]

>>10271882
>And NASA is supposedly one of the most efficient government agencies.
Who would ever claim something like this?

[Anonymous No.10272956]

>>10272949
because they are?
https://www.thebalance.com/nasa-budget-current-funding-and-history-3306321 10x payback
https://www.computerworld.com/article/2551652/app-development/nasa-research-finds-way-into-it--consumer-products.html 7x payback
https://www.forbes.com/sites/gregautry/2017/07/09/americas-investment-in-space-pays-dividends/#1d0d6169639b "multi-fold returns"

not to mention the NASA knockoffs report they put out each year. They're probably the most efficient government org.

[Anonymous No.10273204]

>>10270894
actually love this man

[Anonymous No.10273342]

>>10271710
Well, we do finally have serious jetpacks
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-sEbI_EWXU
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DeFFrHQxQVc
And compact autonomously flown passenger electric aircraft will probably be about as expensive to use as a nice black car service.
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mr1V-r2YxME
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQSDKmVoaIo

[Anonymous No.10273346]

>>10271879
Unless that's all material costs, it probably took a team of three a couple weeks with work focused on it for a few hours at a time. If they devoted 40 hours total to the project (one work week), that's about right for a team of 10-15 engineers adding it to their responsibilities for a bit.

[Anonymous No.10273348]

>>10273346
plus if they had to test it on a tire, the shuttle tires aren't cheap

[Anonymous No.10273354]

>>10273348
yeah, then it gets even more reasonable. It looks like they re-purposed a tracked rover development model and tacked on some very basic sensing hardware. What I'm looking at in that picture is something that's meant to watch how a damaged tire fails, just not one that demands elegance.

[Anonymous No.10273362]

>>10273354
>tracked rover development model
you mean king tiger? from the designer/builder:

"1) It was a King Tiger Tank Tamya plastic model, but I replaced 90% of the parts to make it right. Major parts remaining, and still troublesome would be the suspension system and wheels/treads. I broke a lot of treads before I got it right.
2) It was estimated the exploive force was about 2 sticks of dynamite. Main tires are about 5-6 ft tall and about 2-3 ft wide. Pressurized initially at 360 PSI. But, the temperature during landing, never measured, resulted in the increase in pressure. VP = nRT equation.
3) Price with new parts and custom, remote controlled power supply to handle the 12v motorcycle battery, was about $2500. Compare that to a Bomb squad robot which was about $250,000 at the time. That robot was used twice and the risk was too great for the military. Hence, I build this unit.
4) Tire Assult Vehicle was also called by its abbreviation “TAV”. But, it did get a nickname early on after it ran up, and down a few times, the leg of the contractor program manager. You should be able to figure out that name."

[Anonymous No.10273364]

>>10273362
>>10273354
"5) The camera was mounted in the back to allow me to view the tire, thermal sensor, and drill bit. Originally, the drill bit had a hole down the center that met before the chuck, with two side port-holes. This was to exhaust the tire pressure. Turns out, it wasn’t needed. The drill bit, special 60 deg chaffer angle, went into the tire like a hot knife into butter. The air leaked out around the bit. A reverse switch on the remote control allowed for me to easily back out the bit from the tire.
6) The tire had 9 plys, but no steel belting due to weight on the Shuttle. There were times that the tire wore through all but 1 or 2 plys. This was the risk, because at 360 psi, those 1 or 2 plys were too weak to hold the pressure. But, as shown in the picture, the drill bit came in through the side wall which had a full 9 ply protection.
7) Preserving the tire (in tack) allowed me to do some post-forensic analysis assess the results of the test.

How do I know this, because I designed it, built it, tested it many many times to work out the issues. And, my signature is on the bottom of the tank. Just ask the curator of the museum if he can turn it over to show you.

Hope this is helpful. Ask more questions.

Dr. Carrott"

[Anonymous No.10273371]

>>10273362
>>10273364
HAH, that's awesome. I'm going to blame my oversight on inattentiveness and bourbon.

[Anonymous No.10273509]

>>10271722
It would almost certainly be cheaper to launch all illegal spics into heliocentric orbit without life support than it would be to allow them to continue living here and multiply for another decade. By that logic, the wall pays for itself.

[Anonymous No.10273514]

>>10271722
>>10271831
>they STILL think he meant a literal cheque

[Anonymous No.10273573]

>>10271728
its probably both.