SpaceX Starship/BFR hopper construction watch

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[Anonymous No.10266990]

3rd for hitler

[Anonymous No.10266995]

[Anonymous No.10267001]

What an amazing piece of junk.

I want it to open like a zipper while it goes up.

[Anonymous No.10267008]

>>10267001
t. Boeing, Lockheed, or foreign national

[Anonymous No.10267017]

>>10267008
I meant that with the best intentions.

Are you going to tell me you wouldn't love to see this thing rattle itself apart from the Raptors? It'd be amazing in the same way a fully fueled tanker for the BFS exploding while on the pad would be amazing.

[Anonymous No.10267020]

>>10267008
it would be cool to see them push it and push it until failure.

[Anonymous No.10267026]

I ZEE YOU AMERIKANZ ARE STILL USING OUR DESIGNES 75 YEARS LATERR, YA? YOU ROCKET IS FAT, LIKE ALL AMERIKANS. OUR IS THIN, LIKE A SHTRONG GERMAN

[Anonymous No.10267041]

>>10266989
I see their covering the welds...

[Anonymous No.10267042]

>>10267026
how does this look less shit than the bfr lmao

[Anonymous No.10267048]

>>10267041
good eye, yeah the whole thing has rings of butt joints now. Less ratty looking than earlier, and this also means that they'll probably pressurize it too. that should fix the dents we've seen

[Anonymous No.10267051]

>>10267042
it's much smaller

[Anonymous No.10267055]

I kind of like this "fuck it, build a cheap prototype" attitude, it gives us something fun to watch. The footage of their tests will be very entertaining. I hope a few blow up and they keep building more.

[Anonymous No.10267060]

>>10267051
>a rocket looks shittier the bigger it is
wat

[Anonymous No.10267070]

[Anonymous No.10267081]

>>10267060
rockets do tend to look shit without paint, especially space shuttle's orange bomb

[Anonymous No.10267097]

kino

[Anonymous No.10267108]

>>10267097
cool

[Anonymous No.10267117]

>>10267055
they could easily cut the manufacturing time down to lickety-split with the right material staging and prep work management. we could see a fleet in no time

[Anonymous No.10267133]

in this photo you can see the interim period before they got all of the additional rings on

[Anonymous No.10267148]

>>10266967
9 in '85

[Anonymous No.10267208]

>>10266886
I don't like this feeling

[Anonymous No.10267213]

>>10266980
What is this exactly and why are they building it?

[Anonymous No.10267257]

>>10267213
>What is this exactly and why are they building it?

Test article for SpaceX's fully reusable Mars architecture.

[Anonymous No.10267258]

>>10267213
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ZDkItO-0a4 This but for a gigantic mars rocket

[Anonymous No.10267274]

>>10267257
>>10267258
neat

[Anonymous No.10267277]

>>10267213
To test the materials
>Even though they're not using the same materials as the real thing

To test the construction
>Even though they're not building it like the real thing

To test the engines
>Even though they're not using the same engines as the real thing

To test the launch procedure
>Even though they're not launching it from the same place as the real thing

To test the flight
>Even though it's not going into space like the real thing

[Anonymous No.10267280]

>>10267277
HAVE ANOTHER REPLY YOU FUCKING NIGGER WOOOOOOO

[Anonymous No.10267283]

STOP BUILDING ROCKETS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Anonymous No.10267285]

>>10267026
>Americans ditch von Braun designs
>whole space program goes to shit immediately
Good thing some South African is gonna sort your shit out again.

[Anonymous No.10267304]

>>10267213
To test the engines and tune their new flight software with the new vehicle dimensions.

[Anonymous No.10267305]

>>10267001
Sexy.

[Anonymous No.10267348]

>>10267304
>To test the engines
You mean the not-raptor engines?

[Anonymous No.10267367]

They are Raptors

[Anonymous No.10267377]

since they havent put the final three sections together, it feels like they are going to spend the next month or two working on the interiors. only after that will they put the whole thing together. so i expect a month or two of few changes that are visible from the outside, then suddenly test flights soon after.

[Anonymous No.10267395]

>>10266981
Is that duct tape on the American flag?

[Anonymous No.10267407]

>>10267377
Time to fire up my indoor drones

[Anonymous No.10267411]

>>10267395
>duct tape
>blue

it's masking tape, easy to peel off

[Anonymous No.10267429]

From NSF
>Amazing discussion but can I ask if NSF going to write an article given there's a whole bunch more photos and such in the awesome L2 area. Would add to this thread tenfold with more detail.
Does anyone have a L2 subscription?

[Anonymous No.10267438]

>>10267285
This to the maxi max. Soviets had engineer that could hold their ground (even with 0.00001% the budget of the nasa wasteful programs) but americans had to yes or yes, rely on a nazi, even if it looked bad, even if they knew it was a great pr hit, even with trillions of dollars... there was just no way an american would be so competent.

Who won the space race? the russians
Who won the moon race? the nazis
Who won the astronaut killing race? the americans, by far

[Anonymous No.10267448]

>>10267283
1 flight never gonna launch again lmao

[Anonymous No.10267479]

>>10267429
doesn’t seem like it

>>10267208
the important thing is the near future is going to be badass with all the space shit happening

[Anonymous No.10267483]

>>10267448
launching twice this year, according to the schedule so far

[Anonymous No.10267489]

>>10267026
Absolute kino rocket

[Anonymous No.10267491]

>>10267483
back to back no less! And the same cores for both

[Anonymous No.10267515]

what's this stuff?

[Anonymous No.10267524]

>>10267483
>SpaceX fulfilling it's shedule.
Falcon Heavy launched 5 years late there is 0 reason to trust their shedule or Musk.

[Anonymous No.10267530]

>>10267515
>what's this stuff?
Protective wrapping. Its stock sheet metal.

[Anonymous No.10267542]

>>10267524
Musk also pulls targets and schedules out of his ass a lot. There was that brief period where Musk hadn't quite yet committed fraud last year when he was making a big stink over Tesla hitting its production targets, and the investors were like, "Cool, so what?" They were just figures he'd decided were important, nobody else thought so tho.

[Anonymous No.10267550]

>>10267542
don't reply to the troll

[Anonymous No.10267558]

>>10267377
I wouldn't bet on that. whatever raptor hardware they have in there has to be installable with only welding and other simple methods. The complex stuff is probably already done beforehand in the components they lifted in with the engines and such. The ventilation holes could mean that the lift is imminent, since with the top part buttoned up they'd *really* need the airflow.

[Anonymous No.10267580]

>>10267550
It's okay anon, my pork funded short sellers are ready for when this thing crashes and burns. Or whoever I'm meant to be today, I really can't keep up.

[Anonymous No.10267583]

>>10267542
He comitted fraud, he was lying about 420 funding secured remember?
He is lying to investors this is a crime and he has been comitted remember?
So tell me, why should I trust a pathological liar that always underdelivers anything?
He will do or say anything he can to push his narrative and get attention/ investments.
How naive do you have to be to regard him as some kind of saviour of mankind.
Look at this mockup it's a joke and hase nothing to do with serious R&D work he is just trying to stay in the news because he running out of taxpayer/investor money again.
Basically a kind of ponzi sheme.
Bullshit claim > attention+money > underdeliver > excuses > repeat
SpaceX didn't revolutionize the market and is working on it's backlog while ESA gained more new launches in 2018 than DpaceX how does that fit the /futurology narrative thst he will revolutionize spaceflight?
Reusability is not economically feasible and economics is the only reason for reusability so the whole concept is a failure.
I really like spaceflight and new developments but Musk is a fraud not a saviour or godlike engineer.
I am pretty sure these 24/7 SpaceX shilling threads are populate by SpaceX trainees.
>Inb4 24/7 stopdoingrocketsguy kys

[Anonymous No.10267586]

>>10267550
>troll
great argument
So you don't have arguments or facts you just shill because you have nothing better to do?
What a pathetic loser.

[Anonymous No.10267592]

>>10267524
At least musk is always spot on with his budgets.

ULA's shuttle replacement (which started in 1990) will (if everythign goes perfectly well which is a big if) fly 40 YEARS LATE and 100 BILLION DOLLARS (a full apollo program) overbudgeted, providing no new capability at the time it flies.
Wew, no one can really not be on SPACEXs side if he has half a brain and isn't being paid by old space.

[Anonymous No.10267600]

>>10267583
agree

[Anonymous No.10267607]

>>10267542
>>10267592
do not respond it for fucks sake
you will achieve nothing, because it's the same fucker that has been here for years and years now
He will spam and shit on the floor violently forever, absolutely fucking nothing you ever post will ever stop him from smearing it on the walls too

[Anonymous No.10267613]

>>10267583
>I really like spaceflight and new developments but Musk is a fraud not a saviour or godlike engineer.
It's the strong claims of him being a godlike engineer *while also putting out fundamentally very bad ideas that are rarely thinking out of the box* makes me think he's an active snake oil guy. And yeah, I agree it's disappointing.

Reusability may be able to be economic, there are a couple of companies that seem to be getting there but on much more realistic timeframes. I mostly feel bad for Roscosmos atm, it's potentially going to wreck a significant part of the industry but what can you do?

[Anonymous No.10267619]

>>10267607
this is correct. just ignore it and move on.
He's clearly not going to leave.

[Anonymous No.10267644]

sunset photo.

>>10267530
makes sense

>>10267274
similarly, Blue Origin is also doing hops with their New Shepard vehicle. it goes up to ~100km, though—and is much much smaller.

[Anonymous No.10267647]

>>10267644
whoops

[Anonymous No.10267694]

>>10267619
He is not going to leave with his fucking arguments yeah we hate that here.
This is not your safe space retard, go to /spacex if you want o enjoy a hivemind and safe space this is a place for controvercy and conversations.
You are basically admitting that I am right and you have 0 arguments or facts to disprove my arguments.
Thank you for making Musk fanboys look even more retarded than I ever could.
You were even butthurt enough to make a video to show how insecure you are.

[Anonymous No.10267696]

>imagine being this retard

[Anonymous No.10267702]

>>10267607
>you will achieve nothing, because it's the same fucker that has been here for years and years now
If you believe this you should go to see a doctor I visited /sci at 02.01.2019 for the first time retard.
Why don't you how me how smart and right you are and argue and distroy my arguments to make me look like a fool because right now you and your friends look like a very insecure and immature bunch of fools.
*puts finger into ears and screams lalalalalala

[Anonymous No.10267718]

>>10267702
>Why don't you how me how smart and right you are and argue and distroy
so tragic a 10 yo can have a stroke

[Anonymous No.10267720]

>>10267429
I would, but I'm pretty sure they have robust methods of figuring out who leaks what.

[Anonymous No.10267724]

looks like another night of work for the construction team

[Anonymous No.10267732]

>>10267613
>feeling bad for RusCosmos or Ariane
lmoa

They sat on this for decades, fuck 'em. Only ULA will survive by dint of the NRO, Navy, Airforce, etc. all requiring a secondary provider. And since ULA is full of old boomers who haven't done fuck all besides make their "tried and true!" rockets miss deadlines hilariously, and blow up RS-25's (the same engine they've been making since they got into aerospace) they'll be tossed the lifeline. Everyone else is fucked, and fuck 'em.

[Anonymous No.10267743]

>>10267732
You'd be surprised at the effort countries will go to in order for native launch capabilities to be maintained. While they will certainly go through a downsizing, I don't expect ESA, JAXA, or Roscomos to throw in the towel when it comes to launch vehicles. Even without commercial contracts (assuming SpaceX / blue origin / china eats them up) there is still plenty of national payloads and defense readiness justification to go around for everyone.
The one exception is Black Arrow, but Bongs will be Bongs

[Anonymous No.10267744]

>>10267718
Fucking. Stop. Replying.

[Anonymous No.10267747]

>>10267744
everyone will get the idea soon enough.


Anyone here an experienced welder? Will traditional welding work on Mars? I don't see why it wouldn't, since you sort of generate your own gas for the work area.

[Anonymous No.10267749]

>>10267718
great argument you are really good at this

[Anonymous No.10267754]

>>10267747
Welding in vacuum works like shit look it up. Mars is practically a vacuum.

It's not a great idea to go with welded materials to space, unless they really keep an eye on their thermal flux ALL THE FUCKING WAY TO MAX without letting it divert from even half a standard variation the whole craft could ignite. But hey!, it's easier to handle than carbon fiber.
This has millenial writte all over it "fast easy and cheap please, oh and it must be impressive too" astounding hahas directed at you, dont go crying when it explodes and us superiorboomergentlemen have topicuk your mess

[Anonymous No.10267755]

>>10267747
stick welding will work anywhere
TIG will probably work, but you'd need to fiddle with the gas settings a bunch depending on the atmosphere, that's a lot of fucking science to do
MIG would probably be better on Mars, but again, it's a shitton of fucking science

[Anonymous No.10267756]

>>10267747
It should work, molten metals have an extremely low vapor pressure and won't boil even in Martian atmosphere, also there is argon gas present there to be collected and used as shielding gas (I'm pretty sure welding in a CO2 atmosphere fucks shit up).

[Anonymous No.10267758]

>>10267754
>the whole craft could ignite
what the fuck are you talking about

[Anonymous No.10267761]

>>10267747
It's been literally years of this retard smearing shit all over the place and easily baited morons continue to reply.

[Anonymous No.10267763]

>>10267755
probably easier to bubble off wherever you're welding and just pump in the necessary gasses.
I did a cursory search on google scholar, but nothing came up in regards to martian welding conditions. if it's just welding in a low pressure environment then I'm sure someone has the numbers somewhere of what changes...

[Anonymous No.10267765]

apparently I'm retarded and don't know how to google search correctly
https://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/20170005174.pdf

[Anonymous No.10267767]

>>10267755
>MIG
mig is a fighter plane get an education first moraans
>>10267758
dont pretend like you dont know

[Anonymous No.10267768]

>>10267765
>"Simulated Mars atmosphere welds were found to consistently exhibit higher hardness in both materials. Hardness levels were also found to be higher in all welds made using
a lower level of argon shielding. At lower levels of shielding, the atmosphere contaminated the welds more greatly. The CO2 in the simulated Mars atmosphere would increase oxidation of the weld and would therefore cause blue discoloration in the simulated Mars welds. The simulated Mars welds appeared to have a higher level of atmospheric contamination into the argon shielding gas which may have been caused by an increased density of Mars gas compared to terrestrial air.
>"The CO2 in Mars gas caused arc instability leading to inconsistent heating which could attribute to changes in cooling rates, thus affecting hardness values. The specific heat of CO2 is lower than that of air which may also lead to increased cooling rates, thus increasing hardness values in the simulated Mars weld samples compared to the terrestrial weld samples. With regards to hardness and weldability, welds may be made in a simulated Mars environment using increased argon shielding to reduce CO2 contamination."

neat

[Anonymous No.10267770]

>>10267743
They are going to downsize, massively.

The now ex-CEO of Ariane had a meltdown during a Der Spiegel interview about how he was going to compete with reusable rockets. The frog was practically foaming at the mouth with rage, you can actually see how angry he is in his visceral reaction in the transcript.

He stated flat out that they aren't going to pursue reuse (after cancelling plans for reuse) because if he has to tell his engineers and workers that they now only need to build 1 rocket instead of 10, that they can't possibly keep them hired. Which is true. Ariane is the ESA's primary provider but they are still a corporation.

It's for this same reason that ULA didn't go after ULA. They couldn't justify having so many people, and yet not actually build rockets up until the Airforce decided that ULA was to be the defacto launch provider regardless of total launches per year by way of the 1bn dollar buy in they get for doing nothing. Again, this is why Musk is killing these companies. They can't compete on a non-nation state level. Ruscosmos has stated they are no longer interested in the commercial market because of SpaceX. Ruscosmos was the cheapest launch provider, by far - and they're not going to bother with what was 40% of their yearly take. Mainly because Ruscosmos is the de facto launch provider for Russia - just like until very recently, ULA (by way of Boeing and Lockheed) were the de facto provider for the USA.

[Anonymous No.10267772]

>>10267756
MIG welding would work in a CO2 atmosphere, they used to run MIG under 100% CO2
now they do 70/30 mix of Ar/CO2
things you do not want near your weld: nitrogen (I don't know why), Hydrogen (including water) (hydrogen embrittlement is bad news)
>>10267765
awwww hell yeah

[Anonymous No.10267775]

>>10267768
argon also penetrates the weldment, disrupting the crystal structure
it causes it to be softer, I believe

[Anonymous No.10267777]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_Wt9tpfyAs

Oh baby. Webm when?

[Anonymous No.10267778]

>>10267775
>>10267772

What about friction memes? Could you just friction weld everything?

[Anonymous No.10267782]

>>10267777
Holy shit so many birbs

[Anonymous No.10267785]

>>10267778
yeah probably, but friction stir welding is more of an industrial joining process than a welding technology, much like explosion welding
if you're actually manufacturing in a vacuum you could just do contact welding, where you clean it real good with acetone or something and then slap em together and they just stick, if they're clean enough

[Anonymous No.10267787]

>>10267785
I know contact welding is a possibly, but I doubt in a Mars setting it'd be possible unless you had some fuckin' fantastic HVAC system.

[Anonymous No.10267788]

>>10267787
yeah, orbit only I think

[Anonymous No.10267789]

>>10267770
>The now ex-CEO of Ariane had a meltdown during a Der Spiegel interview about how he was going to compete with reusable rockets. The frog was practically foaming at the mouth with rage, you can actually see how angry he is in his visceral reaction in the transcript.
>He stated flat out that they aren't going to pursue reuse (after cancelling plans for reuse) because if he has to tell his engineers and workers that they now only need to build 1 rocket instead of 10, that they can't possibly keep them hired. Which is true. Ariane is the ESA's primary provider but they are still a corporation.
absolutely seething

[Anonymous No.10267793]

>>10267789
meanwhile, Roscosmos is being run by Mr. Trampoline man. ISRO at least has plans for reusability, and they look pretty promising as well.

[Anonymous No.10267794]

>>10267772
>nitrogen (I don't know why)
I believe the nitrogen gas is split into mono-atomic nitrogen by the arc and dissolves into the metal making it very brittle. Same thing happens with oxygen. Welding titanium is very hard because it really likes to suck up nitrogen and it ruins the weld, in fact it will absorb nitrogen though the other side of the metal opposite the actual welder, so it needs a lot of shielding gas.

[Anonymous No.10267796]

>>10267793
>when the fucking Poos are doing a better job with rockets than the Russians

[Anonymous No.10267797]

>>10267777
based and quad pilled

[Anonymous No.10267798]

>>10267794
both stainless and aluminum will suck up atmosphere on the back face of the weld, and need to be purged

[Anonymous No.10267799]

>>10267438
>Who won the moon race? the nazis
well, you know Americans provided 100% of the funding and Americans did 99% of the work to make it happen but your contention makes perfect sense

[Anonymous No.10267803]

>>10267785
Friction stir also only really works with soft metals, like aluminum. Even when you consider that you don't get reducing gasses for free on Mars, steel is still way less energetically expensive to produce than aluminum, so MIG and stick welding is going to be much more useful. You're correct that friction stir is generally only used in a factory environment simply because it isn't nearly as versatile.

[Anonymous No.10267804]

>>10267796
it's called ADMIRE. Would be great if they pull it off

[Anonymous No.10267805]

>>10267798
Yes but with titanium the sensitivity to nitrogen and oxygen contamination is way higher.

[Anonymous No.10267808]

>>10267799
>Americans did 99% of the work
sure, the dumb work.

That's like saying a building is made 99% by the guy who pours cement and 1% by the architect.

[Anonymous No.10267809]

>>10267804
pretty based name desu, openly sucking SpaceX cock like that

[Anonymous No.10267810]

>>10267803
I was hanging around one of the Navy's research facility's a decade ago or so on a field trip, they were showing off their friction stir welder
it was an enormous machine, it didn't seem practical for much

[Anonymous No.10267813]

>>10267808
>WVB did all the engineering work, or even a significant fraction of it

[Anonymous No.10267815]

>>10267777

[Anonymous No.10267819]

>>10267770

I hope SpaceX is able to put a Starship-shaped stake through the heart of oldspace. About time we pick up where we left off when Von Braun was kicked to the curb in '72.

[Anonymous No.10267820]

>>10267813
All i know is this:

Put an american with infinite budget.
Result: rocket explodes until they can longer afford having an american

Put a nazi with infinite budget: lose the space race

Put a russian with 0.0000000000000001% of the budget american have : wins the space race.

After the nazi dies and americans have no option but to employ an american again(still infinite budget) : mass death of astronauts followed by end of manned capability.

Russians with a fraction of a fraction of a fraction of a fraction of their already poor budget with a space program thats basically ran by no one, workers are so drunk they patch holes with play dough and no one notices: most reliable rocket in the world by far.


Im sorry but you know this is objective truth

[Anonymous No.10267821]

>>10267777
Very nice numbers

[Anonymous No.10267823]

>>10267808
come on retard, WVB was an organizer, a project leader, he didn't do the leg work for the Apollo program, the 2 million+ Americans making contributions did the work

[Anonymous No.10267824]

>>10267819
who did the sea launch color belong to?

[Anonymous No.10267825]

>>10267820
>a Russian with 0.0000000000000001% of the budget
why do you talk like this and expect anybody to take you seriously?

[Anonymous No.10267826]

>>10267820
Go back to /k/, armatard.

[Anonymous No.10267828]

>>10267824
Cayman Islands technically

[Anonymous No.10267829]

>>10267825
All i have to say is this:
Eppurse muove

When mallegan was convicted of treason to the holy ghost by pope maximus he too was claimed to be laying, yet his holy truth was objctive undeniable, not poetic subjective.
therefore:}

eppurse muove

[Anonymous No.10267832]

>>10267825
why the fuck do people talk about "Russia" like that's who we were against in the cold war and space race? The Russians are just a bunch of drunk idiots attempting to inherit the mantle of the great enemy, the Soviet Union

[Anonymous No.10267835]

>>10267820
>Put a russian with 0.0000000000000001% of the budget american have : wins the space race.
Any comprehensive study of the Russian space program will show that the entire Soyuz rocket family (the R7) is just Korolev's adaptation of the V2 rocket.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R-1_(missile)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R-7_(rocket_family)

Please stop implying that the Russians were not taking as much influence from the Germans as we were.

[Anonymous No.10267837]

>>10267835
>Russians
NOT THE RUSSIANS
THE SOVIETS
GET IT RIGHT

[Anonymous No.10267840]

>they're STILL replying to him

[Anonymous No.10267843]

>>10267835
>Please stop implying that the Russians were not taking as much influence from the Germans as we were.
why is it so succesful then? if its an imitation then surely the guys who had the original V-2 designer should have done better?

oh wait?

what are the two names for soviet rockets:

one is soyuz and the other is most succesful prideful victory in the world of all rocketry

what is the names of american rocket?
space shuttle, and evil astronaut astronaut execution machine so so cruel oh god why would you waste so much money to torture 14 poor souls in such a horrible way one of them was a civilian oh my god have you no shame.

My american history is kinda dim but is their motto " Let's spend 2 billion dollars to torture to death in a sky death machine a school teacher"? did George Washington come up with that or somethings?

[Anonymous No.10267844]

hopefully the spacex suits will come in cool designer colors. Makes it easy to identify people on the surface of mars, sort of like deck crews on aircraft carriers

[Anonymous No.10267849]

>>10267837
t. russian apologist

[Anonymous No.10267850]

>>10267844
what happens when they run out of colors?
Welcome to mars colony. Population:2000

-Hey, there shit brown. Im turd brown, and he's puke green.
-Im not puke green, im snot green.
-What? where is puke green then?
-Isn't he over there?
-No that's Pot green
-Well fuck this

[Anonymous No.10267858]

>>10267850
two-tone, stripes, polka-dots, plaid... there's enough variation for everyone

[Anonymous No.10267866]

>>10267858
Lol imagine that.
Mars population 300 million.

What is your name?
I am Blue body red legs one arm with a scotch pattern and the other with a picture of a manatee,
Of the Mars planitia's one arm with scotch tape pattern and the other with a picture of a manatee.

[Anonymous No.10267867]

>>10267858
basic colors indicate jobs
highlights indicate rank
paint your waifu on the back

[Anonymous No.10267871]

>>10267867
the taller your hat the higher your rank, you mean

[Anonymous No.10267873]

>>10267867
>implying excessive (((individualism))) won't be incredibly counter-productive in a utilitarian colony

[Anonymous No.10267874]

>>10267871
yeah that too

[Anonymous No.10267878]

post hats

[Anonymous No.10267880]

[Anonymous No.10267882]

>>10267880
>>10267878
at least make them related dude

[Anonymous No.10267883]

>>10267867
Space suits can get really messy and sweaty, id imagine perverts would sneak into the airlock all the time to try to sniff the inside of their crushs suit

[Anonymous No.10267888]

>>10267882
>at least make them related
everyhing has to be related right you incestuos fuck

[Anonymous No.10267889]

>>10267882
I swear this is the sexiest pressure suit to ever be made

[Anonymous No.10267897]

>>10267889
BEHOLD

[Anonymous No.10267904]

>>10267882
Can't wait for the Power Armor variant.

[Anonymous No.10267905]

>>10267882
I don't get why people say its a pressure suit not a space suit? what the fuck is the difference?

what is the fucking point?

Is it good for vacuum? then its a spacesuit
Is it not good for vacuum? then they might as well wear a t-shirt to their funerals and save the trouble.

[Anonymous No.10267908]

>>10267905
just don't want a Soyuz 11 repeat, that's all.

[Anonymous No.10267913]

>>10267905
it doesn't have all the systems you need for a full EVA suit
my guess is the thermal stuff

[Anonymous No.10267915]

>>10267897
Looks like shit, obviously shitty joints. Shitty transparent visor, tubes coming out of everywhere, looks like he took a dump, no dick bulge. angles are all retarded, weird shitty proportions, shoes are badly adapted sports shoes.

looks like they were designing a functional but ugly spacesuit and whent hey saw what spacex was doing tried to catch up and ended up with something that was neither.

This looks like something a nerd would use to ask the big boy spacex astronauts if he can play with them and when they reply by bullying him he would get nervous trip with his umbilical and have to be rescued by a spacex alpha chad barely able to hold the laughter.

On the other hand the spacex suit looks like something that it could be used to perform pushups, deadlifts, backflips frontflips and pull ups all while discovering the cure for cancer and landing the craft manually on mars while drunk and asleep, without breaking a sweat.

[Anonymous No.10267917]

>>10267913
so if the thermal stuff is the only difference why not wear this thing while using an umbrella that shield them from the sun or something, its literally the only difference between being inside and outside in a vacuum

[Anonymous No.10267918]

>>10267897
Yikes

[Anonymous No.10267919]

>>10267913
one of the main purposes is if there are bad gasses or smoke or something, you can still deliver fresh air to the astronauts. that and managing thermals, too.

[Anonymous No.10267922]

>>10267917
Georgy Dobrovolsky, Vladislav Volkov, and Viktor Patsayev disagree

[Anonymous No.10267930]

>>10267550
>>10267283
>>10267744
>>10267840
>don't reply to the troll sweetie
>stop mehking rackets ecksdee
>stop. replying.
>lmao NASA incompetent
>MARS BASE WHEN

[Anonymous No.10267938]

>>10267930
average spacex fan: low fat, broad chest. manly features, stands proud in formation knows how to work together baldness indicate high test

[Anonymous No.10267939]

>>10267938
truly high test

[Anonymous No.10267942]

ok if you really don't like SpaceX why waste your time arguing in a place where SpaceX fans are trying to speculate? like what are you trying to prove?

[Anonymous No.10267944]

>>10267942
it's fun watching you sperg out
>inb4 no u
it doesn't take that much time either, I'm not the wall of text kinda guy

[Anonymous No.10267945]

>>10267942
it’s 4chan, these things happen. /sci/ has it mild compared to other shitted up topics on other boards. For instance, Simpson’s on /tv/, Grimes on /mu/, or video games on /v/.

[Anonymous No.10267948]

>>10267945
>shitting up
he said, while making the 11th thread about a prototype rocket that's not even done yet
are we going to make a "/jwt/ construction general" next?

[Anonymous No.10267949]

>>10267897
As stupid as this looks, I bet he can turn his head better than someone in the spacex suit.

[Anonymous No.10267951]

>>10267819
This is going to be the right timeline

[Anonymous No.10267953]

>>10267882
I think they went a little too sleek, need a bit of the classic look thrown in

[Anonymous No.10267956]

>>10267953
It will look fatter and with less creases while being used. You don’t see it inflated at flight pressure in any of the pics online

[Anonymous No.10267977]

>>10267949
Apparently the Commercial Crew agreed. The ULA suit is more comfy than SpaceX's, but commented both are way more comfortable than ACES or the Ruskie suits.

[Anonymous No.10267998]

>>10267889
https://youtu.be/lZvP_URAjmM?t=268

[Anonymous No.10268019]

>>10267998
>not actually functional
please

[Anonymous No.10268021]

>>10267905
It's just a flight suit they wear inside the vehicle during launch/landing. It pressurizes in the event that the vehicle loses pressure. It's not made for going outside of the vehicle, or even out of the seat really.

[Anonymous No.10268027]

>>10268019
Yea it's just concept/prototype, but the tech behind it is interesting.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_activity_suit#MIT_Bio-Suit

[Anonymous No.10268032]

>>10267882

[Anonymous No.10268033]

>>10267998
This is what fencing will look like in 2029

[Anonymous No.10268085]

>>10267904
gib ultra-high density batteries that don't explode into super fire death hell if someone sneezes near them
we can only manage a skeleton frame exoskeleton that lasts an hour or two currently

[Anonymous No.10268107]

Probability of the US gov and (((UN))) cockblocking private colonization effort?

[Anonymous No.10268111]

>>10268107
High probability

[Anonymous No.10268120]

>>10268107
>>10268111
The UN has tried that in the past but the 3 major space powers didn't sign on. Unless something big happens private space colonization should be safe for 2 decades or more

[Anonymous No.10268129]

>>10268107
They will try, but they will fail miserably due to the nations they need to enforce such a edict are the very ones sponsoring such colonization efforts
See: the American flag on the side of the hopper

[Anonymous No.10268138]

>>10268129
>>10268120
>>10268111
imagine unironisch supporting private colonization
name one (1) single instance in the history of humanity where that worked out

[Anonymous No.10268142]

>>10267770
>ariane 6 ETA NET: 2020
No wonder they are wailing for eu subsidies like a bitch.

[Anonymous No.10268147]

I think putting an American flag there is to get more support from Congress.
Sounds dumb but Congress has been all about "maintaining American supremacy in space". Look at those Bigelow slides about China.

[Anonymous No.10268151]

>2019
>more falcon heavy launches
>hop tests
>crew dragon launches
>maybe even orbital tests if we're lucky
>tfw

[Anonymous No.10268159]

>>10268147
Not going to work until sx starts lobbying boeing style. The flags are just makeup for the public the real things happen on other levels.

[Anonymous No.10268173]

>>10268138
Unironisch?

[Anonymous No.10268176]

>>10268173
yes unironisch goyim
only a jew would support privatisation of something so crucial to humanity

[Anonymous No.10268179]

>>10268173

Ignore him

[Anonymous No.10268183]

>>10268179
>>10267930

[Anonymous No.10268195]

>>10268179
>>10268183
Oh missed that, didn't realize it was him

[Anonymous No.10268202]

>>10268138
The US east coast.

[Anonymous No.10268208]

>>10268202
>I don't know what a private colony is
even so, basically the martians revolt against musk and with the help of Ariane and ESA establish their own government, while musks fame wanes until he dies of old age?

[Anonymous No.10268218]

why does a pipe dream need 10 threads?

[Anonymous No.10268245]

>>10268218
It's a water tower actually...

[Anonymous No.10268261]

>>10268245
its for the water slide actually...

[Anonymous No.10268269]

>>10267348
>the not-raptor engines
Is this confirmed yet?

[Anonymous No.10268273]

>>10267592
>shuttle replacement
>wastes a lot of money with no benefit
I mean it's a pretty good replacement, I guess.

[Anonymous No.10268290]

>>10267815
>>10267777
>1960's camera
>birds
>foggy
>that guy's reflection overlaying over all that footage
It's the thought that counts, I guess.

[Anonymous No.10268296]

>>10267592
>musk is on spot with budgets
>Elon "funding secured" Muskis on spot with budgets
>Elon "who cares about 750million loss" Musk is on spot with budgets
>Elon "my company got 10 billions (in debt)" Musk is on spot with budgets

[Anonymous No.10268298]

>>10267883
>>>/d/

[Anonymous No.10268314]

>>10268151
It's hard to pick a favorite thing to look forward to.

[Anonymous No.10268323]

The thing we should be looking forward to is SpaceX speeding up the Falcon 9 launch rate. The company is relying on a high launch rate for it's other projects but the rate didn't increase much from last year.

[Anonymous No.10268346]

[Anonymous No.10268348]

>>10268323
That's only going to happen when Starlink is being launched; the demand for commercial payloads is what currently decides the launch rate and it has plateaued recently.

[Anonymous No.10268384]

>>10267819
Von Braun was an idiot, Space Shuttle was his deformed child. SpaceX is not following his legacy they are clearly superating it

[Anonymous No.10268387]

>>10268296
There is a difference between a budget overrun and a fucking $100 billion 40 years late overrun. Musk sets ambitious goals which he usually fails to meet but then delivers on something great anyway. NASA is a failure in general.

[Anonymous No.10268415]

>>10268387
and yet spaced can't survive without NASA
I wonder why they need them if they're such a failure
>>10268384
>tfw you start sucking dick so hard you think musk was superior to von braun

[Anonymous No.10268428]

>>10268387
>I wonder why they need them if they're such a failure

They stopped being needed for anything the second STS-135 touched down.
Right now nasa is just a strange middleman for things like commercial crew.

[Anonymous No.10268429]

>>10268428
meant to reply to
>>10268415

[Anonymous No.10268431]

>>10268428
>what is NASA thermal protection
>what is habitat research
etc.
also, you are the equivalent of a little ungrateful child. spacex would literally not exist if it weren't for NASA support early on. at least shotwell can admit that, in contrast to you

[Anonymous No.10268434]

>>10268387
Yeah but that's money spent on the public. Private companies don't give a shit about the common good since they pocket all the profits and that's the whole point.

[Anonymous No.10268436]

>>10268431
Did i not say before the space shuttle stopped flying?
Yeah, they helped spacex, who are they helping now?

[Anonymous No.10268440]

You don't seem to understand how based SpaceX is

[Anonymous No.10268442]

>>10268436
Still SpaceX

[Anonymous No.10268443]

>>10268436
still spacex you absolute mongoloid
if NASA were to pull their joint projects and contracts this second, spacex would be a thing of the past lmao

[Anonymous No.10268445]

>>10268436
The point is the US gov is subsidizing that shitty company to fuck with other launchers.
Are you really stupid enough to think some random rich idiot can do something like this on his own?

[Anonymous No.10268446]

>>10268443
>if NASA were to pull their joint projects and contracts this second

That doesn't mean they're needed, like i said, they're a middleman. Why can't the government just give funding to sapcex directly, why does it have to go through nasa?

[Anonymous No.10268447]

>>10268445
He was on Big Bang Theory and Iron Man and all the smart characters said he was smart and amazing...

[Anonymous No.10268448]

>>10268446
>spacex fans are THIS retarded

[Anonymous No.10268450]

>>10268446
>Why can't the government just give funding to sapcex directly
This would be a freighter of pork barrels, Elon. You know how Peter feels (pun intended) about pork.

[Anonymous No.10268454]

>>10268448
>>10268450

maybe i just don't know how the us governement works

[Anonymous No.10268456]

>>10267280
did those rockets just land upright?

[Anonymous No.10268461]

>>10268454
You are not entitled to other people's taxes Elon, please try to emulate something like a good libertarian.

[Anonymous No.10268471]

>THEY'RE STILL FUCKING HERE
yeah, it's a shilling crew on shifts, cause even the most dedicated autists have to sleep at some point

[Anonymous No.10268487]

>>10268471
truly 300 level iq on oldspaces side
>invest billions into spacex
>try to denounce them at the same time
do you fags even listen to yourself sometimes

[Anonymous No.10268493]

>>10268434
That money is to be spent on spaceflight, not on the public. Spending it on the public is corruption. I will grant you that post-Apollo NASA is very good at embezzling taxpayer money, tough.

[Anonymous No.10268497]

>>10268415
>I wonder why they need them if they're such a failure

Funding. The only thing NASA is needed for is to open a purse. That is all they are good for nowadays. Even the fucking heat shield will probably end up not being used on the Starship.

[Anonymous No.10268499]

>>10268208
>revolt against musk
that cannot happen, he is the chosen one

[Anonymous No.10268501]

>>10268445
>Are you really stupid enough to think some random rich idiot can do something like this on his own?

Considering the awful state of government-managed spaceflight since Apollo ended, yes, that is exactly what I think. A self-made billionaire is much more competent than a bunch of boomer politicians only interested in sending money into their pockets and districts.

[Anonymous No.10268518]

>>10268501
Space-flight is not badly managed it's just too expensive and hard.
Either develop technologies that make it possible or use international effort to share the cost and effort. So far due to politics everyone's betting on the first option but if you want things done NOW start supporting policies that make it possible.
Dumb shit like ITAR must go. Mutual cooperation and respect must be promoted. International projects must be created.
That is the only way forward and not just for space.

Believing some private company can just do it on their own because they are smart and use the magical power of capitalism is pure idiocy and ignorance.

[Anonymous No.10268525]

>>10268518
International cooperation will not help because the US represents majority of aerospace spending. Even if all the world space agencies pool their resources, it will be a marginal improvement at best.

The only way forward is through greatly increased cost-efficiency. Otherwise there is no point and we will forever be stuck with a handful of astronauts in a small tin can up there.

>Space-flight is not badly managed it's just too expensive and hard.

Oh boy, if you only knew how bad things really are...

[Anonymous No.10268536]

>>10268518
>Believing some private company can just do it on their own because they are smart and use the magical power of capitalism is pure idiocy and ignorance.

capitalism has flaws but if there is one area where it proved its magical power time and time again, it is decreasing costs, which happens to be exactly what rocketry needs

since you are that commie from reddit, your knowledge of economics is equal to your knowledge of rocketry (in essence worse than zero, since you are actively misinformed), then this is me just casting pearls before the swine, not sure why i even bother

[Anonymous No.10268538]

Work day in central US is beginning, we may get new photos soon..

[Anonymous No.10268543]

>>10268499
>when you realize this entire thing was orchestrated by Elon's autistic engineer father

[Anonymous No.10268546]

>>10268536
>economics is a science
>>>/pol/

[Anonymous No.10268549]

>>10268538
And here it is

>Work continued throughout the night. -bocachicagal

[Anonymous No.10268554]

>>10268525
>International cooperation will not help because the US represents majority of aerospace spending.
This is a weird artifact of how the US gov happens to do their accounting. They do spend a lot, but you still have groups like Airbus Group, Dassault and BAE from Europe up there in the big leagues. There's also quite a few Asian players there.

[Anonymous No.10268570]

>>10268549
Yay

[Anonymous No.10268572]

Needs more dakka.

[Anonymous No.10268582]

i was initially skeptical, but at least you muskfags are contained to one thread. imagine this level of delusion spread across the rest of /sci/

[Anonymous No.10268590]

>>10268456
did you just get back from a year in the jungle?

[Anonymous No.10268600]

>>10268456
yes. As God and Heinlein intended

[Anonymous No.10268608]

>>10268456
did you just get back from a year in the jungle?

[Anonymous No.10268615]

Drive by video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-RW8lUxrTTE&feature=youtu.be

[Anonymous No.10268617]

https://spacenews.com/house-passes-spending-bills-to-end-shutdown/

God damnnit stop delaying DM-1 you grungy old politicians

[Anonymous No.10268626]

>>10268615
still waiting on their drone footage; they only released a single frame of it

[Anonymous No.10268635]

>>10267277
>To test the engines
>>Even though they're not using the same engines as the real thing
They are the same engines, you monkey.

This is like the Grasshopper test. They're testing and proving the VTVL capability, collecting data to validate their models. By getting the shape accurate, they're also gaining real-world data on the aerodynamics.

[Anonymous No.10268637]

>>10268635
It may or may not be subscale Raptors, so not really the same, but similar.

[Anonymous No.10268644]

>>10268637
It won't be subscale, you can tell from the size of the water tank's nozzles. People on NSF have calculated the engine bells are 1.3 meters in diameter, identical to the 2017 Raptor concept.

[Anonymous No.10268646]

Here is a cool map of Boca Chica SpaceX facilities with descriptions.

https://www.google.com/maps/d/u/0/viewer?mid=1wvgFIPuOmI8da9EIB88tHo9vamo&ll=25.991996614808972%2C-97.17017944101156&z=15

[Anonymous No.10268647]

>>10268637
Why would they be subscale Raptors? The subscale Raptor was for ground testing only, because they initially lacked a test stand for the full-scale Raptor. There's no way they went ahead with series production of a subscale Raptor.

It's been over two years since they showed us the subscale Raptor. Forget about it.

[Anonymous No.10268651]

>>10268646
Funny how they’re literally as far southeast as you can get in the continental US.

[Anonymous No.10268674]

>>10268615
That's some odd central marking on that road.

[Anonymous No.10268677]

>>10268674
it’s a special road for extremely heavy wide loads iirc

[Anonymous No.10268678]

>>10268674
just a dedicated rocket lane

[Anonymous No.10268681]

>>10268572
"Children of a dead Earth" is for you my friend

[Anonymous No.10268690]

>>10268651
Not really, that's what you want for a launch site.

[Anonymous No.10268699]

>>10268690
Supposedly spacex also considered Puerto Rico as well

[Anonymous No.10268707]

>>10268681
I suck at that game, every one of my engagements has about a 50% chance of succeeding. I love it though.

[Anonymous No.10268709]

>>10268690
>>10268699
I cant wait for the time BFRs will fly to Guiana Space Centre , refuel there and launch steel cables for the Musk Orbital Ring

[Anonymous No.10268730]

>>10268707
For the last year or so I only design modules and try to add new realistic materials. The game has so much potential but needs a whole team of autistic developers to improve it...

[Anonymous No.10268734]

>>10268730
Sounds like early KSP

[Anonymous No.10268736]

>>10268730
>>10268734
>>10268681
>>>/v/ ist right there, retards

[Anonymous No.10268743]

>>10268736
do you really expect people to stay on topic after 10 threads about a pipe dream? most of the posts on-topic have been artists' renditions

[Anonymous No.10268745]

>>10268615
>taking pictures of people taking pictures
boca chica wow wow

>>10268674
It's normal 2-lane markings, just spaced apart for extra lane width in the case of wide loads, and maybe slightly safer passing too. Still really rare in Texas, I can't remember anywhere I've seen them before. Often if it's that remote there isn't even a stripe.

[Anonymous No.10268749]

>>10268151
Also in flight abort. Will get to see a fully fueled 2nd and 1st stage go kaboom

[Anonymous No.10268761]

>>10268736
/v/ doesn't talk about videogames, they just bitch about their loli waifu getting censored.

[Anonymous No.10268764]

>>10268736
Well I guess you are fun at space race parties...
3 post about steel cylinders in space are soo offtopic...
I bet when the next Space Race begins you will be a traitor... a Space Race Traitor....

[Anonymous No.10268814]

>>10268764
gas the vacuum, kill the muskfags

[Anonymous No.10268816]

>>10268764
fuck off, video games are not space

[Anonymous No.10268821]

>>10268816
are thots space?

[Anonymous No.10268832]

>>10268499
this is from von braun in 1948 fucking crazy man

[Anonymous No.10268848]

>>10268499
Nice

[Anonymous No.10268919]

>>10267008
>or foreign national
Like Musk?

[Anonymous No.10268921]

>>10268919
the man believes in America's industrial capacity
the man believes in America's engineering talent
the man believes in America

[Anonymous No.10268923]

>>10267998
Holy fuck is that woman annoying. I hate Ted.

[Anonymous No.10268925]

>>10268033
it better be foil, epee a shit
t. lefty foil

[Anonymous No.10268928]

>>10268921
>the man believes in America's engineering talent
So why doesn't america do it without him?
Why are you not shilling for NASA engineers that actually achieve scientific breakthroughs?
Science costs money yeah a lot more than doing launches to GTO or LEO.

[Anonymous No.10268931]

>>10268921
Why doesn't he believe in South Africa?

[Anonymous No.10268940]

>>10268931
communists

[Anonymous No.10268941]

>>10268940
But communists best at space.

[Anonymous No.10268947]

>>10268941
unfortunate lie
it is Korolyov who was best at space

[Anonymous No.10268952]

>>10268947
China is doing alright right now too.

[Anonymous No.10269004]

>>10268952
lol, doing NASA stuff half a century behind

[Anonymous No.10269007]

>>10268346
That's cute. Looks like a student project.

[Anonymous No.10269016]

>>10268832
>4 legs
Whew. That's a little less uncanny then.

[Anonymous No.10269021]

>>10268582
All those precious pepe and wojak threads can now rot in peace.

[Anonymous No.10269030]

new pics. lots of crane positioning going on....

[Anonymous No.10269031]

[Anonymous No.10269036]

>>10269031
imagine making a fucking thread, or even post, for a 52kb picture of a steel cylinder

[Anonymous No.10269039]

>>10269036
Theseus would like a word with you

[Anonymous No.10269043]

>>10269004
They started from scratch 20 years go without nazi rocket scientists, they're doing well I think.

[Anonymous No.10269063]

>>10268273
They didn't even have to kill anyone hat time :^)

[Anonymous No.10269081]

>>10268434
>Yeah but that's money spent on the public
It was money funneled into private companies (Boeing, Lockheed) contracted to develop and build the vehicles that the public program wanted to use. That's where the massive cost overruns happened and are still happening (SLS, JWST).

[Anonymous No.10269096]

>tfw SpaceX has a dinky boat with a helipad to recover the Dragon crew, instead of an AIRCRAFT CARRIER like with Apollo

Russia still has some cool recovery equipment at least

[Anonymous No.10269097]

>>10268456
>t. man living under rock since december 2015

[Anonymous No.10269106]

>>10269081
>"so let's just funnel it into this other company instead, where it surely won't happen!"
lmao

[Anonymous No.10269117]

>>10269004
Wait... NASA not only existed but had a far side moon base just after WWI? No wonder the great depression happened.

[Anonymous No.10269121]

>>10269043
The Chinese never had to start from scratch. Everything they've done is stuff that's been openly analysed and taught in schools for decades, and they bought lots of technology and hired foreign consultants. Anyone can do this shit, it's just a matter of paying for it, and not having the project be so horribly corrupt that all the money gets stolen before the job gets done.

This is like the Burj Khalifa. Tallest building in the world, in an Arab city. Is this an achievement of Arab culture? No, there's no serious competition to have the tallest building anymore, nobody doubts that much taller buildings can be built, we've long since passed the point of building the tallest useful building. So it's purely a vanity build, a very bad sign for the foolishness of the Arabs in squandering their oil windfall.

Or it's like climbing Mount Everest. The first man to do it was a hero. He had to find a route nobody had taken. Now basically anyone in reasonable health can do it, and it's sold as a package vacation. There's a fucking ladder to the summit. The fact that people still die doing it is more a testament to the low quality of people attempting it, and the casualness with which they approach it ("One more checkbox on my bucket list!"), than anything else.

China's still in the hands of basically the same people that led the Great Leap Forward. They're going to lead the country into catastrophe again. This is just one more sign of their wasteful foolishness.

[Anonymous No.10269126]

>>10269043
The father of their space program was literally a student of the Nazi scientists who worked at JPL, he had to leave America in 1955 due to tensions with China over the Korean War. Also they didn't start from scratch, with all their rocket technology stemming from Soviet V-2 clones which were gifted. Their first satellite was orbited in 1970 btw.

[Anonymous No.10269135]

>>10269106
Where it clearly isn't happening, you mean.

[Anonymous No.10269143]

>>10269121
>This is like the Burj Khalifa. Tallest building in the world, in an Arab city. Is this an achievement of Arab culture? No, there's no serious competition to have the tallest building anymore, nobody doubts that much taller buildings can be built, we've long since passed the point of building the tallest useful building. So it's purely a vanity build, a very bad sign for the foolishness of the Arabs in squandering their oil windfall.
It's completely a vanity build like most of the buildings in places like Dubai, but it's also the reason people know you can build taller. The buttressed core was a technique developed relatively recently by William Baker, and with the Burj he found they were nowhere near the structural limit of height from what he could see with the design. The limit was cost.

[Anonymous No.10269147]

>>10269135
>Where it clearly isn't happening
kek

[Anonymous No.10269166]

>>10269117
>>lol, doing NASA stuff half a century behind
>just after WWI
Half a century ago was 1969.

>a far side moon base
This isn't a base. The fuss about it being a far side landing is ridiculous. A far side moon landing is only slightly more difficult than a near-side landing, and basically no more interesting. It basically means you need a relay satellite, which with modern technology can be a cubesat.

The reason nobody else did it was that it's not worthwhile. The reason the Chinese did it was to claim that it was a first, but it's not a meaningful first.

[Anonymous No.10269174]

>>10269143
>it's also the reason people know you can build taller
No it isn't. We've known for a long time that much taller buildings are possible, they're just not worthwhile. The costs and inconveniences keep going up, and all you're left with are bragging rights over tallness.

[Anonymous No.10269248]

>>10269143
that reminded me, android waifus when

[Anonymous No.10269274]

photo dump time. Dome has been moved over to the silo

[Anonymous No.10269278]

>>10269036
are these file sizes adequate, good sir?

[Anonymous No.10269283]

this thing will be exquisitely shiny

[Anonymous No.10269286]

>>10268821
REEEEEEEEEEE THOT SHE DOESN'T EVEN KNOW WHAT MARS IS REEEEEEEEEE

[Anonymous No.10269287]

credit to bocachicagal, of course. She's one of the few people that actually has a good camera.

[Anonymous No.10269291]

...and one last photo. You can really see the difference here on the silo part between the initial polish and the raw metal

[Anonymous No.10269323]

>>10269174
>We've known for a long time that much taller buildings are possible, they're just not worthwhile.
A lot of that is due to the need for the enormous bases and foundations, it's a far better design if you want to build a fuck off tall building. So if you were beholden to nothing, yes you could build a very tall pyramid, this design makes you a lot less beholden to many resources though.

I say a lot of that is due, but there's also the historical issue that isn't fully solved about people plain not wanting to use tall buildings as well. They are a bit shit tho desu.

[Anonymous No.10269336]

>>10268138
>imagine unironisch supporting private colonization
>name one (1) single instance in the history of humanity where that worked out

The Virginia Company.

[Anonymous No.10269382]

>>10269283
Immortan would be proud

[Anonymous No.10269408]

[Anonymous No.10269413]

>>10269408
oooh, that feels good

[Anonymous No.10269420]

[Anonymous No.10269423]

>>10269287
>the tape is off
USA
USA
USA
USA

[Anonymous No.10269427]

>>10269408
>>10269420
IT BEGINS

[Anonymous No.10269433]

>>10269408
AAAAAHHHH my rocket can only get so erect

[Anonymous No.10269436]

Did we really piss away half a century on icbms?

[Anonymous No.10269442]

>>10269436
in a word, yes

That and funding holiday homes in the country for boomers by way of lucrative pork projects

[Anonymous No.10269455]

>>10269408
god bless America

[Anonymous No.10269458]

>>10267377
APOLOGIZE RIGHT NOW

[Anonymous No.10269462]

>>10269455
>>10269423
america, land of state-funded pipe dreams.

[Anonymous No.10269465]

>>10269455
There is no god and only americans could be stupid enough to throw money at something like this.

Your country doesn't even have healthcare lmao.

[Anonymous No.10269469]

>>10269408
Now that is what I call a Spaceship!

[Anonymous No.10269474]

>>10269465

[Anonymous No.10269476]

>>10269465
And yours has. Too bad the lines are flooded with all the Ahmeds and their 7 little niglets.

[Anonymous No.10269479]

>>10269420
lmao look at that dude in there
I hope he's wearing ears

[Anonymous No.10269481]

That is some very fast progress for an aerospace project. Seems like they will be able to quickly build a whole fleet once this design is proven.

[Anonymous No.10269485]

>>10269465
I am all for universal healthcare but rockets > healthcare any day. Other countries should be ashamed that the US is once again the only country pushing technology forward.

[Anonymous No.10269487]

>>10269481
This is a pretty rushed bash it together type job, but yeah the proper article should be pretty quick still.

[Anonymous No.10269489]

>>10269323
Also, most people never think of the elevator requirements. So you have a tall building, now how do you get people into the various offices and apartments? That's both in how many people you can get up per minute (elevator speed and the square footage devoted to elevators), and how much useful building is left after the elevators. And you also need stairs for people to get down in an emergency.

[Anonymous No.10269490]

>>10269481
very fast progress indeed. we've gone from a shiny metal cone to a... shinier metal cone?
wait, what has it done again?

[Anonymous No.10269494]

>>10269489
Solve the elevator problem by requiring all the fat cunts who use these buildings to walk up and down the stairs.

[Anonymous No.10269499]

>>10269490
>wait, what has it done again?
Stirred up a shitstorm on the internets, and real good too.

[Anonymous No.10269506]

What an impressive waste of money.

[Anonymous No.10269509]

AAAAAAHHHH THE FUCKING ARM IS OVER

I REPEAT, THE FUCKING ARM IS OVER.

https://twitter.com/News6James/status/1081282248773697536

[Anonymous No.10269512]

>>10269489
Yeah, there are claims by certain people that for the right kind of building (so one that doesn't require what amounts to a kind of train/subway system because it's so fat as well as tall) it's solveable for a given design with enough work. Certainly back in my eng degree years both the ethics classes and forensics spent a fair amount of time on why the WTC towers didn't have a good enough escape system via elevators or stairs.

[Anonymous No.10269514]

>>10267796
>>when the fucking Poos are doing a better job with rockets than the Russians
they are doing it with the HELP of russians. in fact, the russians prolly taught them how to build them.
the russians don't have enough money to keep producing rockets.

[Anonymous No.10269525]

>>10269490
they went from a concrete slab on the ground to a testbed prototype in the span of a couple of weeks, although they aren't done yet
or maybe they built a water tower

[Anonymous No.10269527]

>>10269509
shouldnt the tower have cladding too?

[Anonymous No.10269530]

>>10269527
It does, it just isn't on ATM because they are repainting the entire tower to match.

[Anonymous No.10269539]

What an impressive shiny dildo

[Anonymous No.10269552]

>>10269509
oh god, here comes the arm

[Anonymous No.10269553]

>>10269539
Will Musk be sticking it "where it hurts"?

[Anonymous No.10269555]

>>10268107
>Probability of the US gov and (((UN))) cockblocking private colonization effort?
funny you write it like that. the (((UN))) was invented by the US to be used as a puppet organization, and the US govt is owned by jews. there are as many if not more jews in the US than in fucking israel...
you murricans are a bunch of retarded slaves.

[Anonymous No.10269565]

>>10269485
>rockets > healthcare
only a retarded american could say something like that

[Anonymous No.10269566]

>>10269565
I bet your European...

[Anonymous No.10269572]

>>10268501
>A self-made billionaire
hahahahaha, I like what this guy is doing, but, man, stop repeating this bullshit

[Anonymous No.10269582]

>>10269565
Spending taxpayer money on high tech is by far the best use of it. Better than healthcare or welfare. Which is not to say those are not important, tough.

t. European.

[Anonymous No.10269587]

>>10269572
Not bullshit. Did he inherit the wealth like Trump? No. So he is a self-made billionaire.

[Anonymous No.10269593]

>>10269582
I agree. I think free healthcare should be available but that is as far as charity should go. Otherwise technology is always the best use, I don't care how many homeless/people using foodbanks there are.

t. another European

[Anonymous No.10269611]

>>10269593
>>10269582
>>10269566
>>10269485
I'd rather spend money on healthcare than this gigantic tin can that will never fly.

[Anonymous No.10269614]

>>10269587
>Did he inherit the wealth like Trump?
he was born rich. sure, he didn't inherit it (and I'm not sure about this), but that doesn't even matter. he had it all to get there, unlike most people on this planet.

[Anonymous No.10269618]

>>10269611
STOP
DOING
ROCKETS

you could just leave the thread

[Anonymous No.10269629]

>>10269618
>you could just leave the thread
Stop making them if you cannot face adversity.

[Anonymous No.10269637]

>>10267524
>Mr. Musk if you want to go to mars you'll need a bigger rocket
>Nah! Just strap 3 smaller ones together, how hard can it be!?
>Actually Mr. Musk it's pretty hard, it'll require a whole redesign and a lot of new hardware
>Scrap that! we'll be build the bigger and scrap the smaller one too! Launch everything on the bigger one

Musk itsn't figuring out how to build rockets or how to get to space, he's trying to figure out how to do it cheaply.

For some reason he thinks that having one type of rocket and only one type is the cheapest way. Personally I'm not so sure about that.

[Anonymous No.10269640]

>>10269629
just giving the option, just trying to make him think what he is trying to achieve preaching to autists on an Uruguayan woodlouse husbandry forum who have no power over these matters

[Anonymous No.10269644]

>>10269618
just ignore him
he knows he cant shitopost in his safespace on leddit
every time something happens and these idiots are wrong for n times they just move the goalpost and life goes on...

[Anonymous No.10269648]

>>10269637
Development is the biggest single cost in rockets, flying them is comparatively cheap, especially if they're reusable.
So why make many types when you could just have one? Even if its not very efficient for a specific task its still cheaper than making a new one.

[Anonymous No.10269649]

>>10268635
>By getting the shape accurate
"accurate"

[Anonymous No.10269655]

>>10268734
no, its incredibly more advanced you piece of shit, fuck you fuck you so much for saying that:

Orbital mechanics are perfectl simulated with every single orbital effect taken into account, yes even lagrange points and all.

And thats jus the start you litltel kiddie boy

[Anonymous No.10269656]

>>10269637
>Personally I'm not so sure about that.

my concern too. Every satellite on one BFR launch would have to be being deployed to roughly the same altitude and inclination, possibly with some leeway. They'd probably struggle to fill the thing up given current demand, it's just too big.

[Anonymous No.10269686]

>>10269648
I get that but the flacon 9 and heavy already exist beyond blueprints and are proven to be economically viable. It seems weird that musk is telling everyone that he'll scrap the falcon 9 once the BFR goes online.

Having to put a every single satellite weighing just a few tonne on the BFR doesn't sound like it'll end up being cheaper for clients even when accounting for the fact that you need to maintain 2 different kinds of rockets.

I can't help but wonder if having 2 types, one for low payload LEO/GEO and the BFR for heavy lifting would be the best option.

Well Musk is all about quick and fast incremental progress so he might change about later.

[Anonymous No.10269687]

>>10269121
>Anyone can do this shit, it's just a matter of paying for it,
this is what the US does, in all areas of knowledge. most of their best scientists, engineers, etc. are foreign. the US knows the importance of paying and that of publicity.

[Anonymous No.10269689]

>>10269656
the future of rocket launches isn't 10 GEO-birds a year, it's huge steel space stations and massive probes

>>10269686
SpaceX doesn't want to have two production lines going; and if BFR is cheaper, then why keep F9 around? even if you only use 10% of BFR's capabilities per launch it'll still be cheaper per flight

[Anonymous No.10269695]

TWEET MORE STUFF YOU FUCK, DON'T TEASE US WITH THIS 'LIKE'

[Anonymous No.10269698]

>>10269031
wtf happened here? did it break or something?

[Anonymous No.10269702]

>>10269291
PARTIALLY ERECT

[Anonymous No.10269703]

>>10269408
fully erect

[Anonymous No.10269706]

>>10269698
you're seeing the wind breaker sheets that cover the welder's little welding area

[Anonymous No.10269716]

>>10269706
I was talking about the right side. lookds as if a piece of wall(?) of the cilinder had separated from the body or something.

[Anonymous No.10269722]

>>10269485
until you get cancer and become poor because of the high costs of your private healthcare system
btw, I hope you don't get cancer. I had it, and thanks to the govt program (and obviously thanks to researchers, doctors, nurses, etc.), I'm still alive.

[Anonymous No.10269723]

>>10269716
It almost looks like a piece of the fin covering, but shredded around the edges.

[Anonymous No.10269737]

trump says the shutdown could extend "months or even years". What the fuck, that means. no launch licenses or progress with commercial crew. Fuck I'm angry.

[Anonymous No.10269749]

>>10269737
It won't, someone who's not him will cave before that; apparently the congress critters will be meeting on Saturday to work out a potential deal.

>>10269723
>>10269723
Apparently part of the American flag was removed to make way for the spot welding over the original welds, it was then reapplied afterwards. Maybe that's it?

[Anonymous No.10269778]

>>10269436
Pretty much. Don't even know what the fuck the USA will even do once the entire launch market is eaten by methane rockets. I guess they just pay an entire solid fuel rocket company to just sit on its ass all day. Although now that I come to think of it, that might've been much cheaper from the start.

[Anonymous No.10269787]

>>10269509
Kinky.

[Anonymous No.10269788]

>>10269656
>Every satellite on one BFR launch
It's not intended for multiple satellite launches, it's intended to cost one tenth as much as a Falcon 9 and carry up to ten times as much stuff.

If you only want to use 10% of the capacity, well that's fine, it's still a 10X better deal than anyone else's launch vehicle. Can you find a way to use 30% of the capacity? Now it's a 30X better deal than any other option on the market.

[Anonymous No.10269793]

>>10269656
They don't have to fill it up for the launches to cost <10 million dollars each. If you have payloads you can cluster you can do so to save even more money, but even for a 1 ton payload BFR will be the cheapest thing around.

[Anonymous No.10269806]

>>10269793
>but even for a 1 ton payload BFR will be the cheapest thing around.

BFRs will not last forever. They're going to blow up every 20 launches or so, and there will be nothing we can do about it. They'll be cheap, but not that cheap.

[Anonymous No.10269824]

no

[Anonymous No.10269836]

>>10269614
>he was born rich
Nope, he was not poor but not rich either. Going from middle class to billionaire is very much the definition of a self-made one. You dont need to begin from poverty.

[Anonymous No.10269844]

>>10269644
>he knows he cant shitopost in his safespace on leddit

Ironic since Leddit is the only place with an explicit safespace for anti-SpaceX shills, populated by hordes of braindead commies. Try that BS on dedicated spaceflight forums such as NSF and you wont last long. Now fuck off to your leddit safespace, your kind is not welcome here either. This is a science forum.

[Anonymous No.10269854]

>>10269806
>They're going to blow up every 20 launches or so, and there will be nothing we can do about it.

Maybe at first, but then the bugs will be ironed out. High launch rate is the surest way to achieve reliability, and that is exactly what BFR will be pursuing.

[Anonymous No.10269857]

>>10269836
there comes a point where your parents are so rich that being any richer doesn't help much. It lies somewhere in the upper middle class in which Musk was definitely born into (his dad had an aeroplane, how many people do you know whose parents had an aeroplane in the 1970s?)

Of course, he /is/ very intelligent and I'd say he's self-made, but his life was made significantly easier.

I say this as a working class person who made his way into the middle class, and I've seen both sides of the education system. One side of society has it far, far easier.

[Anonymous No.10269859]

>>10269854
I'll believe it when I see it

then again, SpaceX works miracles, so I have hope yet

[Anonymous No.10269872]

>>10269553
God that diver looks like such a chippy fucking plebeian. He's not even wearing a bow-tie.

[Anonymous No.10269883]

>>10269166
>Half a century ago was 1969.
What? No way, that can't be right. Next you'll be telling me that 1990 was 30 years ago.

[Anonymous No.10269891]

>>10269883
anon, I

[Anonymous No.10269892]

does it... not fit? the top bit is fatter than the bottom bit

[Anonymous No.10269896]

>>10269644
ASS
TO
ASS

[Anonymous No.10269901]

>>10269892
no, they're just misaligned in the pictures we have

[Anonymous No.10269902]

>>10269836
>Nope, he was not poor but not rich either. Going from middle class
>middle class
https://www.businessinsider.com/elon-musks-dad-tells-bi-about-the-familys-casual-attitude-to-wealth-2018-2
yeah, middle class...
you people are fucking retarded.

[Anonymous No.10269905]

>>10269902
Money must come from all those poor, innocent blacks his family exploited during apartheid.

[Anonymous No.10269906]

>>10269844
my kind ?
where the fuck do you think you are ?
this is a bulgarina dog spinning forum and we dont take kindly to folks like you...

[Anonymous No.10269919]

logo and everything, nice

[Anonymous No.10269926]

>>10269806
>be in 1920’s
>trying to make planes affordable
>nah, the planes will fail every 20 flights, no point trying to pursue this
>everyone continues using boats to get places

anon please

[Anonymous No.10269932]

>>10269926
I know, I know. But space is just so fucking /hard/ you know? All that heat, the extreme speeds, the ultra-fine margins. Plus spacecraft safety just doesn't seem to have progressed as quickly as aircraft safety did.

[Anonymous No.10269938]

by the way, the last iridium launch is coming up in 4 days. Here's to a fairing catch, finally

[Anonymous No.10269940]

>>10269932
It's the exact same process as aeroplanes, the development and correct application of materials and redundant, reliable systems.

[Anonymous No.10269946]

>>10269938
Cool patch desu.

[Anonymous No.10269960]

>>10269932
it's not hard, it's prohibitive. Look at Vostok: a tin can on a converted ICBM. Worked fine, mostly.
Our bureaucratic behemoths and engineering mindsets force us to make space stuff complex, redundant, full of features and the latest tech, etc. In reality, we've been technically able to launch things into space since the 1930s. Space hasn't' changed since then, nor has the atmosphere, or the temperatures you encounter...
Our massive technological improvements since the 1930s should have made getting to space easier and easier and easier. We've gone the opposite route

[Anonymous No.10270027]

>>10269778
>all those hundreds of engineers and rocket scientists never came up with the idea of methane rockets until 300iq musk decided it was a good idea, now everything else is obviously becoming obsolete
can a fanbase be more retarded?

[Anonymous No.10270028]

thread no. 11 when?

[Anonymous No.10270032]

>>10270027
For the purposes of returning a rocket back from Mars, we have to use a fuel source that is available on Mars. Kinda narrows it down a bit, even if we can get better performance from RP-1 or other petroleum derivatives. It’s just a manifestation of the changing goals of spaceflight.

[Anonymous No.10270033]

>>10270028
need a new set of snaps to stick at the top. We can wait

[Anonymous No.10270037]

>>10269960
The US did try to make it easier to get to space. They just went about it so wrong, that they had already failed by the time they started. And maybe it would've helped if they had actually admitted it at some point during the following 20+ years.

[Anonymous No.10270040]

>>10270027
Their competitor Blue Origin as well, you fucking imbecile.

[Anonymous No.10270041]

>>10270032
You could also use hydrolox and its even easier to make on mars, you just electrolyse water.

>even if we can get better performance from RP-1 or other petroleum derivatives

Methalox and kerolox are pretty much even in performance, but staged combustion is harder with kerosene because of soot, methane burns clean and that's pretty much the reason spacex and BO switched to it.

[Anonymous No.10270046]

>>10270041
yeah but hydrogen is a bitch to work with

[Anonymous No.10270049]

>>10270046
Yeah, that's the second big reason for using methane.

[Anonymous No.10270100]

>>10270046
I’m pretty new to the whole rocket thing, but I’m reading through John Clark’s ‘Ignition!’ and I still don’t quite understand why a) hydrogen can’t be made more dense and b) why RP-1 was favored over methane until BE-4/Raptor

[Anonymous No.10270106]

>>10270100
>why hydrogen can’t be made more dense
It just can't, its like that with every substance, lowering temperature helps up to a point.

[Anonymous No.10270107]

>>10270100
keep reading
>"Oberth had originally wanted to use methane as fuel, but as it was hard to come by in Berlin, their first work was with gasoline and oxygen. Johannes Winkler, however, picked up the idea, and working independently of the VfR, was able to fire a liquid oxygen-liquid methane motor before the end of 1930. This work led nowhere in particular, since, as methane has a performance only slightly superior to that of gasoline, and is much harder to handle, nobody could see any point to following it up."

[Anonymous No.10270111]

>>10270100
Bubbles

[Anonymous No.10270119]

>>10269126
>all their rocket technology stemming from Soviet V-2 clones
Robert Goddard would like a word with you anon...

[Anonymous No.10270134]

Ever wonder how the v2 worked? https://youtu.be/80DzifHHIxk
It’s worth the watch, really cool overview

[Anonymous No.10270137]

So they are seriously not going to use Zubrins tether plan to generate some artificial gravity on the way? Those cunts are going to have a hell of a time adjusting back to even Martian gravity after half a year in freefall.

[Anonymous No.10270145]

>>10270137
Zubrin is a beermat rocket scientist. Spacex do it for real.

[Anonymous No.10270159]

>>10270145
Letting your crew sit in freefall for half a year is fucking terrible m8, the thing is going to have a hardpoint rated for 1g at the top for craning it off and on the booster stage, why not take a mass penalty and use a counterweight so your dudes are not fucking debilitated upon arrival? I guess they could spin it up too, but at 9m radius everyone will probably be puking their guts out 24/7.

[Anonymous No.10270173]

>>10270137
>Those cunts are going to have a hell of a time adjusting back to even Martian gravity after half a year in freefall.
Dead people need no adjustment.

[Anonymous No.10270198]

new
>>>10270196
>>>10270196
>>>10270196

[Anonymous No.10270362]

>>10270173

[Anonymous No.10270579]

>>10270137
This isn't something that needs to be addressed yet. Doing a tether arrangement wouldn't be too hard to work out with a pair of ships. At worst you could have someone go out with a tether and hook up the two noses. As you said they need to have suitable hardpoints anyway. Then just use maneuvering thrusters to set up the spin.