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Scientifically, do souls exist?

>> No.10266991
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10266991

https://qualiacomputing.com/2015/12/17/ontological-qualia-the-future-of-personal-identity/
http://opentheory.net/2018/09/a-new-theory-of-open-individualism/

>> No.10266992

>>10266978
No

>> No.10266993

>>10266978
Insufficient data exists to answer your question.

>> No.10266994

mechanistically yes
conceptually, inherently not physical

>> No.10266996
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10266996

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_individualism

>> No.10267002

>>10266978
I have phd in theology
1) Yes, they exist
2) No, humans don't have them

>> No.10267010

>>10267002
I want to know more.

>> No.10267015
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What does /sci/ think of Chris Langan and the CTMU?

>> No.10267021

>>10267002
I have two souls, checkmate.

>> No.10267241

>>10266978
There's not scientific evidence that they do, but that's probably related to the fact that we don't even know how our own conscience works. I choose to believe that we have one however.

>> No.10268188

>>10267021
>I
>have two souls
Yet there is a singular "I" that contains these two "souls", which means they are contained within a single entity, which is a contradiction.

>> No.10268244

>>10268188
I have two eyes.
I only see one image, but not really.
Brains are silly.

>> No.10268317

>>10267015
He resists defining his terms as much as he can, and has a tendency to use eloquent variants of "stfu brainlet" in rebuttal. What I read of CTMU appeared mostly word salad. Last time I tried to investigate his IQ claims the sources were circular tabloid references. Not sure if anything new has come to light.

He's clearly quite bright, but all of this screams crank. If you listen to how he talks about his father, you see how he might have become the way he is. I can't decide if he's a con man, or just really emotionally damaged.

>> No.10268325

>>10266978
>Scientifically, do souls exist?

A doctor examined this.

He placed people with terminal illnesses on beds with integrated weighting scales. The differences between their weight when alive and dead were measured and the results collected and examined to see if any soul had left the body. The resulting doctor found..
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>> No.10268533
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>>10268325

>> No.10268640

>>10268325
>>10268533
Was the doctors name by any chance Dan Brown? And why did you post a video game screenshot?

>> No.10268670

>>10266993
What kind of data is required to answer the question?

>> No.10268704

>>10268325
>what is gas escape from the lungs after death ocurrs

>> No.10268711

>>10268325
What he found is irrelevant, as these results have never been repeated, can’t be verified, and results that didn’t fit his bias were ignored. Fuck off.

>> No.10268719

>>10266978
No scientific data suggests souls exist, so stop thinking about such silly ideas hanging onto the human mind like fleas, leftover from our dark ages when we explained away things with “DUR MAGIC”.

>> No.10268722

>>10266978
No, this isnt freshman philosophy with my pothead grad student TA all over again.

>> No.10268733

>>10266978
"soul"(anima) is sort of a nomen oblitum. And obviously is controversial nomenclature. I believe that Biology hasn't moved past the concept of soul. We just call it Life now, and take it for granted. Not many people research that catagory, Terrence Deacon and Stuart Kauffman seem like notable exceptions
>>10266996
>Individualism
No thanks. I prefer radical communitarianism, semiotic/situated mind.

>> No.10268744

>>10268733
No, life is a trait possessed by entities that are organized into cells, maintain homeostasis, metabolize, grow, adapt, interact, and reproduce. Nothing magical or “soul-y” about it.

>> No.10268747

>>10268744
There is nothing magical about the concept of a soul either. Fuck out of here with your Campbell-Reese tier understanding of Biology.

>> No.10268762

>>10266978
>Scientifically, do souls exist?
I hate this distinction.
There is no distinction between something existing scientifically and something existing at all. It is a tautology.
Currently the existence of souls is just a theory, with no significant data to prove or disprove it.
Anything someone says is just theoretical.
But yes they do I am sure, it just hasn't been proven yet.
Why? Because everything in our universe can be explained through logic. Souls is the only way to explain some things, that otherwise would be inexplicable.
But it would take a significantly advanced civilization or being to explain - prove - understand souls, perhaps a being that is close to divinity itself.
Will humanity ever do it? I don't know. You have to understand in a cosmic scale humans are pretty close to animals. You have potential, but I don't know if you will be enough to allow you to escape your animalistic nature.

>> No.10268773

>>10268747
No, souls are by definition supernatural. They’re “magic”.

Everything universally agreed upon as “alive” meets those qualities, so if you have a problem with them, please provide a more rigorous definition of “life”. I seem to have upset the pseudo.

>> No.10268777

>>10268762
No, the existence of souls is conjecture. If it was THEORY, there’d be data supporting the idea that souls exist.

>Why? Because everything in our universe can be explained through logic. Souls is the only way to explain some things, that otherwise would be inexplicable.

Things that can only be “explained by souls” don’t exist. Explained.

>> No.10268780

>>10268773
You aren't smart enough for me to reply to. You don't even know that's souls have been considered as natural entities since the time of Aristotle.

>> No.10268782

>>10268640
>Was the doctors name by any chance Dan Brown?

No.

>And why did you..

I didn't.

>>10268704
>>what is gas escape from the lungs after death ocurrs

Gas weighs something?

>>10268711
>What he found

Excuse me! Did you just assume the doctors gender even though I didn't give a name?

>> No.10268790

>>10268780
>You aren't smart enough for me to reply to.

Ad hominem cop out.

>You don't even know that's souls have been considered as natural entities since the time of Aristotle.

I don’t care. They are by definition “immaterial”, “spiritual”. They are therefore “magic”. Triggered pseuds are funny.

>> No.10268794

>>10268773
The general state of being alive is not the same thing as Life itself.

>> No.10268796

>>10268782
>Gas weighs something?

Yes you fucking moron.

>Excuse me! Did you just assume the doctors gender even though I didn't give a name?

Duncan MacDougal was a man.

>> No.10268797

>>10268790
>I don’t care. They are by definition “immaterial”, “spiritual”. They are therefore “magic”.
This is nonsense, care to extrapolate?

>> No.10268800

>>10268794
Depends on what you’re calling “life”. Some may call the general experience of existing “life”, as in “That’s just life, man.”

“Life” in biological terms is merely a state defined by the aforementioned criteria. Things lose this state when they die.

>> No.10268802

>>10268797
Just Google “definition of soul” and get back to me. You are nonsensical.

>> No.10268806

>>10268800
>Life” in biological terms is merely a state defined by the aforementioned criteria. Things lose this state when they die.
You've clearly never engaged with General Biology in your entire life.

>> No.10268812

>>10268806
>You've clearly never engaged with General Biology in your entire life.

You've clearly never engaged with General Biology in your entire life. Please cite a source offering a different definition of life. Wake me up when you find one.

>> No.10268818

>>10268796
How much does a bag of helium weigh?

>> No.10268827

>>10268818
You did not specify a volume of the bag because you’re a retard, but helium has a density of 0.0114 pounds per cubic foot, so plug that into whatever volume your bag has.

>> No.10268830

>>10268827
Not considering the weight of the bag itself. I will assume it’s some kind of weightless bag made of hypotheticum.

>> No.10268834
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>>10268827
>>10268830

the absolute state of /sci/

>> No.10268840

>>10268834
Balloons inflated with helium “pull up” because the air around them is trying to push them up. This is boyouncy, and the same principle let’s boats float. That doesn’t mean boats are weightless. A block of wood would “pull up” too if you weighed it underwater.

>the absolute state of /sci/

So goddamn ironic. This is middle school shit LMAO

>> No.10268845

>>10268834
Are you a troll?

>> No.10268846

>>10268812
Origins of Order: Self-Organization and Selection in Evolution, Stuart Kauffman
Incomplete Nature, Terrence Deacon
This is Biology, Ernst Mayr
De Anima, Aristole
Mind in life: Biology, phenomenology, and the sciences of mind

The cognitive science of souls: Clarifications and extensions of the evolutionary model
Autopoiesis, adaptivity, teleology, agency
Pretty much everything from Valera. Peirce and biosemiotics if you want to get very deep. You don't, I can already tell you that you are too dumb for Peirce.
And many more..
You have no idea what you are talking about and I would snap your neck irl.

>> No.10268850

>>10266978
Side note : is Rupert Sheldrake a meme scientist or not

>> No.10268860

>>10268827
you are failing to take pressure into consideration in your calculation

>> No.10268861

>>10268188
Maybe both suck at english

>> No.10268865

>>10268846
>Origins of Order: Self-Organization and Selection in Evolution, Stuart Kauffman

Provide the new definition of “life” given.

>Incomplete Nature, Terrence Deacon

Provide the new definition of “life” given.

>This is Biology, Ernst Mayr

Provide the new definition of “life” given.

>De Anima, Aristole

Is this a joke?

>Mind in life: Biology, phenomenology, and the sciences of mind

Provide the new definition of “Life” given.

>You have no idea what you are talking about and I would snap your neck irl.

Confirmed troll. Bye. I don’t talk to autists.

>> No.10268870

>>10268865
>Spoonfeed the baby
Fuck off retard

>> No.10268871

>>10268796
Mass=\=weight

This board is some highschool level shit

>> No.10268872

>>10268860
But that only gives even more weight, which is technically irrelevant in the mudfight of these two anons

>> No.10268875

>>10268860
Pressure has no effect on the strength of the gravitational pull on atoms or groupings of atoms. Boyouncy can only counteract it.

>> No.10268879

>>10268871
Perhaps you are confused, but “pounds” are not a unit of mass. They’re a unit of weight, and helium has weight.

>> No.10268888

>>10268870
You lose. Bye.

>> No.10268892

>>10268865
y are u getting worked up over semantics, arn't all definitions just subjectively assumed descriptions to suit a commoon goal?

>> No.10268898

>>10268892
Scientific definitions are very important, so that we actually know what we’re talking about and woo is not allowed to intrude.

>> No.10268935
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>>10268827
>per cubic foot

>> No.10268942

>>10268935
0.1785 kg/m3. More your style? Sorry for being a superior Imperial.

>> No.10268945

>>10266978
Our souls exist, we've all met a few.

>> No.10268950

>>10268945
Schizo

>> No.10268961

>>10268879
Yes it has weight but the doctor used a weighing scale.It can't measure the gas escaping as the gas doesn't apply any pressure in the first place

>> No.10268969

>>10268950
It's a pun, say it out loud.

>> No.10268970

>>10268961
Scales only measure the force being applied to them, yes.

>> No.10268973

>>10268969
Nice. Lmao

>> No.10269103

>>10268640
it is from a mecha anime
The character can grab alternate futures but loses her mass each time
This was her final mass

>> No.10269112

>>10268942
Thank you. We use metric because we're not smart enough to do unit conversions. Too much math for my tastes.

>> No.10269160

>>10268782
>gas weighs something?
Are you no joke retarded? All matter has mass.

>> No.10269240

>>10268777
>Things that can only be “explained by souls” don’t exist. Explained.
The why of some things can only be explained by souls.
For example the fact that you were born retarded, can only be explained by you having a soul which is either being punished for past-life transgressions, or simply hans't been through enough life-death cycles to understand these complicated matters.

>> No.10270821

>>10268317
How does he talk about his father?

>> No.10270827

>>10270821
according to langan at least
>Dad used to beat him for showing curiosity or competence; call him a brainlet who can't even compete. Standard narcissictic shitshow.

It's probably in one of the earlier interviews.

>> No.10271962

>>10266978
By definition they're not something that could be found scientifically.