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Is Industrial Engineering real engineering? asking for a friend

>> No.10257038

>>10256998
I was in the mechanical engineering program at Purdue and we all considered Industrial engineers to be retards. It's basically a liberal arts degree with just enough math and physics to get you through the fundamentals of engineering exam.

I'm not sure where the civil engineer = retard meme came from

>> No.10257070

>>10256998
Protip: once you start working as an engineer, you will realize that very little of what you do is actually engineering. IE is just accepting reality for what it is, and honestly it's probably more useful than other engineering majors when on the job.

t. mechanical engineer

>> No.10257071
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10257071

>>10257038
I guess we all have people we look down upon

>> No.10257077

>>10257038
They just don't have as much "difficult math" (quotes so we don't get math majors in here waving their tiny dicks around). Everything for them is statics, which is typically more simple. As much as Mechs use tables instead of just doing the math, civs use them almost exclusively because it's faster, easier, and most of the time just as accurate.

>work for a multi-discipline eng firm, I see the day-to-day work of typical EE ME and CE

>>10256998
Industrial Eng is a legitimate thing, it does take some special knowledge to optimize manufacturing processes and workflows in order to create a cheaper and/or better product, which is kind of a big deal depending on the industry. Though I agree it's almost as much statistics and basic-ass logic as it is engineering, but sometimes that basic-ass logic isn't as common as we'd hope. Most people are idiots, remember? Being good at math/physics doesn't actually mean you understand what to do to make a more reliable/shave pennies per unit from your widget.

>> No.10257454

>>10256998
this picture gave me a Futurama vibe
wtf

>> No.10257484

>>10257070

This. I educated myself to Msc.Eng. in mechatronic engineering and I do CAD since 1.5 year. And when I say I do CAD, I mean that I put new geometry from OEM into our database, make a comparison and update drawings. Once in a few I'll have to make some easiy modifications to a model for our needs/proposal/study.

Thankfully I'll probably do CAE since beginning of this year, so there will be hopefully more engineering there.

>> No.10257553

>>10257038
Im IE and had to take most of my classes with MEs (thermodynamics, fluid mechanics, statics, materials science, etc.), the programs are pretty similar the first years. I had to take more math classes than MEs by far (Operations Research specialization), and I'm currently doing a master in applied math. I wouldn't say that ME is any harder, the problem is that with an IE you can get better positions way faster with an ME/EE/CE (aka don't know shit about stats, finance or basic microeconomy), so people with these degrees get pretty jelous.

>> No.10257561

>>10257553
*you can get better positions way faster THAN with

>> No.10257922

>>10257038
Purdue Engineer too. Did you meme Imaginary Engineering too?

>> No.10258308

>>10257038
this retard is confusing industrial design with industrial engineering

>> No.10258341

>>10256998
i started my undergrad in industrial and switched to mechanical after the first year. biggest fucking regret of my life. not only is industrial engineering easier, but you are taught applied skills which you will then use on the job. the degree is very versatile and you'll be able to find a job in almost any office/manufacturing environment. instead, in mechanical engineering you learn how to do a bunch of shit calculations by hand which you will never use on the job because there are pre-made calculators and simulation software available instead, i.e. shit that you're not/barely exposed to in school.

better yet, industrial engineering actually has women in it. not that i would advise anyone to pursue women in engineering, but they're there.

>> No.10258377

>>10257077

Opinion on CE as a career?

>> No.10258502

>>10256998
> engineering
not science or math

>> No.10258630

>>10257038
>I'm not sure where the civil engineer = retard meme came from
So it's to some degree dick waving. It's also to do with Civil being a very broad degree, practically being a combination of structural, water, geotechnical, transport... no doubt I'm missing some. Civils in some parts of the world are a bit like engineering jocks too, and that carries with it assumptions.

There's a few other bits too like working with architects and more social science based stuff on top of everything else.

>> No.10258635

>>10257553
>ME/EE/CE (aka don't know shit about stats, finance or basic microeconomy), so people with these degrees get pretty jelous.
In the UK, IE tends to be a track people take if they fuck up somewhere in another discipline. That said everyone is expected to take a sizeable amount of econ and business. For civil you get to do extra project management too. Where it mainly seemed to differ here was where some modules had a CS vibe, like programming/designing automation wossnames.

The people I know who did it got jobs but never really progressed much, though I know a fair few people like that from all disciplines.

>> No.10259453

>>10258341
>instead, in mechanical engineering you learn how to do a bunch of shit calculations by hand which you will never use on the job because there are pre-made calculators and simulation software available instead
You attend university to broaden your knowledge, imbecile. It is not a trade school.

>> No.10259744

>>10257454
same

>> No.10259751

>>10258502
With ketchup please.

>> No.10259757

Engineering is not science or math

>>/LGBT/

Engineering not s

>> No.10259790

>>10259744
>>10257454
Matt Groening draws people without chins, the frog looks similar.

>> No.10259909

>>10258377
I'm ME but i share the office with a CE. Seems fine, idk. We deal with a lot of permafrost problems, roadway repairs, pad constructions, airfield constructions, lots of varied stuff. It seems like very similar work as far as variety and scope as ME, just.. With dirt and shit instead of pipes and shit.

ME probably has a wider range of job opportunities, this is just my little anecdotes from my place of work. Some ME jobs pigeonhole you into one specific thing, some CE jobs I'm sure are the same. Pay is the same across both at my company, and in the government I believe. I think most companies just have the "ENGINEER LEVEL X" designation for pay grades.

If you like the construction industry, CE is a good one since that's 95 percent of jobs you'll find.

>> No.10260623

>>10258635
>That said everyone is expected to take a sizeable amount of econ and business.
I really doubt the 2 intro to economy classes for engineers and some shitty class where you only learn how to use Microsoft Projects are enough. All engineering students have to take some circuit classes, but that doesn't mean they have the same knowledge as an EE.

>> No.10261540
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>>10256998
OP do you mean Industrial design or industrial engineering?

I started off in Ind Design at my college. It was all drawing and concept art, and despite me getting an "A" average, they told me my work wasn't good enough and I could only get an BA if I continued.

I then switched majors into Ind Engineering, specifically manufacturing. There is tons more science and math and physics involved, which I like. Although I'm pissed I lost a year in ID, my new major is way more substantial.

Ind Design is a total meme. The grading is subjective, people cheat (Get artists to do work for them and present as their own) and they dont learn any heavy science based concepts, only geometry and shit. The only difference in BA and BS ind design is that the BS students make 3d prototypes of their drawings.

Anyways, yea fuck Ind Design, but Industrial Engineering is a serious degree

>> No.10261629

>>10260623
I was actually in a program where you specialise as you go on, so everyone had a shared first two(ish) years. In the UK, econ and business are required by the Engineering Council, I think the minimum you can take of straight business and econ courses for the bachelors would be quarter of a year/half a semester, it might be slightly more. For the MEng you are required to take half a year/a full semester and for most tracks you end up taking more. The ones we took were also accelerated, I don't know if it's the case for all unis, but it wasn't like half a year of first year courses.

I think the UK has gone more down the business side for Engineering, like the engineering doctorates are a bit like a PhD + most of an MBA. Every UK engineer with an accredited degree will definitely have taken more than just an intro to econ.

>> No.10261671

Engineering is not real engineering.

>> No.10261836

>>10261540
Industrial engineering Mate, I'm just wondering how people's experience with it were, stories of dickhead ME's being sour that while they say it's not real engineering, stories on how some IE"s start higher than ME's starting salary, all completely subjective and circumstantial of course but interesting to hear about.

>> No.10262321

>>10261836
I've never had a negative interaction with ME's, anyone in any field can have inflated ego and be super vocal about it. As for salaries, I imagine you could have a potential higher salary as an IE if you worked in Apple where effective,cheap, mass production is everything. If all the IE's disappeared suddenly I can guarantee our supple chain, quality and production would shit itself lol.

>> No.10263524

>>10262321
>never been annoyed by an ME
Kek, you haven't met many then.
t. ME

>> No.10264343

>>10259453
>You attend university to broaden your knowledge
Some of us are not rich fucks who have money to waste on this

>> No.10264346

This degree sounds cool, is it offered in Europe?

>> No.10264377

>>10259453
everything i learned in college i learned through self study. the lectures were useless the vast majority of the time, and the homework problems were almost always poorly chosen and inadequate at getting a good grasp of the material. the only reason why i attended is to get a job that i would otherwise not have qualifications for. if i want to learn i can do so by myself instead of paying some ancient faggot that can't be fucked to prepare for the lecture.

>> No.10265204
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10265204

Between CE, IE, EE and ME, which one has the best job prospects? I'd originally wanted to go into ME, but the other 3 look fun as well.

>> No.10265206

>>10265204
CE is seeing growing demand.
Not surprising when there's likely going to have to be a complete architecture restart in years to come

>> No.10265212

>>10265206
I was leaning somewhat towards that or EE, since I hear ME has a fair bit of competition? Although ME seems like the most general degree, while EE seems harder.

>> No.10265216

>>10265212
ME is the go-to for normies and generally more competitive for placement
EE and the CE subset is generally considered more mathematically intensive. EE also is very broad like ME. Depends on what you want to do - both options provide a lot of options for specialization.

>> No.10265217

>>10258502
just in case this is not bait.

Many engineers use the scientific method and math to develop better turbines/heat exchangers/ whatever they are working on. These are optimized using governing equations for eg conversation for mass, energy and momentum.

How is this not related to math and science?

>> No.10265223

>>10265216
How competitive is ME? A less mathematically intensive degree would be easier to get good grades in, but it's no use if I won't be able to find a job afterwards

>> No.10265229

>>10265223
Its the most competitive option for the universities I know. Ask an advisor at your institution and they'll give you an average GPA requirement.
Again it comes down to what jobs are available where you live. Globally there's great demand for both but you probably aren't going to be an automotive engineer in Hawaii.

>> No.10265233

>>10265212
ME is very broad degree, you can choose from a very wide range of master programs usually, everything from mechatronics, applied mechanics, energy systems, logistics and more.

My best advice is to chose whatever seems most interesting to you. Look up what courses you will take and what you can specilize in + what jobs they lead to.

Studying something you hate is what will really make it hard to compete since you will compete will people who have a genuine interest in the area.

>> No.10265234

>>10265229
I'm in rural pennsylvania doing my basics at a community college right now, so I'll be moving around regardless of what field I go into. I'm gonna be speaking with an advisor about the logistics of double majoring with compsci, since the overlap is pretty massive, so I'll bring it up then. Thanks anon.

>> No.10265238

>>10265233
That's good advice. I'm not sure exactly what I want to specialize in yet, but I'm sure some will be more interesting than others. Are you an ME?
How's the job competition?

>> No.10265244

>>10265234
>double majoring engineering with anything
Good luck lmao

>> No.10265247

>>10265244
I might not necessarily do them at the same time, but the overlap between compsci and engineering is pretty big, at least for the first couple years. Admittedly, that's why I'm talking to an advisor about it since I'm not sure just how feasible it actually is

>> No.10265249

>>10265247
Most engineering programs have full course loads. You won't really see huge overlap outside of first year unless you go Software Engineering

>> No.10265251

>>10265249
I looked through all the required courses for the first 2 years of general engineering and compsci and factoring in stuff I could pick up with electives there's 4 classes over 4 semesters that don't overlap. The general idea was to pick up those extra 4 classes during the summer or winter semesters, or during a semester that I have a light workload for already.

>> No.10265266

>>10265238
Yes im doing my last year in ME, specilizing in fluid mechaincs (look up computational fluid mechanics (CFD) if you like physics and math, its a facinating area imo and with many real-world applications). It is competitive to some degree like most job fields but there are jobs out there for sure. I will do my master thesis for a consulting company this spring and they said from the start that they ususally end up hiring the thesis workers so my chances are good I think (provided I dont fuck up my thesis). I live in a industrial city in Sweden though and getting my degree from a well known university. I dont know how it looks in the rest of the world as the job market atm here is pretty good in general.

>> No.10265270

>>10265266
Sounds like fun. There's really no work outside of local resorts in my immediate area, so I'll have to move for work regardless of what field I go into. I'll look into this stuff. Good luck with your thesis, anon!

>> No.10265282

>>10265270
Thank you! Good luck to you as well with your future studies!