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https://drive.google.com/file/d/128CfYaaJdMwhx5yvCGDRggl5GIKyfWrC/view
In Infanrix Hexa we found:
>chemical contamination from the manufacturing process or cross-contamination with other manufacturing lines;
>chemical toxins;
>bacterial peptide toxins;
>insoluble and indigestible macromolecule that reacts to the protein assay, but cannot be recognized by any protein databases.
We have not found:
>Protein antigens of diphtheria toxoids, tetanus, pertussis, hepatitis B, haemophylus influenzae B, Poliomyelitis 1-2-3;
>Formaldehyde and glutaraldehyde, phenoxyethanol, antibiotic residues indicated in the composition;
But I'm sure theres more to read-
>Not only vaccine antigens have been not detected, there were also 65 signs of chemical contaminants of which only 35% is known
Oh... Not only did they find dangerous chemicals in vaccines, they found absolutely nothing beneficial, no antigens.
Why are you getting vaccinated again?

>> No.10253439

>>10253430
>macromolecule that reacts to the protein assay, but cannot be recognized by any protein databases
Is it too soon to blame it on aliens?

>> No.10253508

>>10253430
https://www.skepticalraptor.com/skepticalraptorblog.php/vaccine-pseudoscience-corvelva-anti-vaccine-researchers/

>>>/x/

>> No.10253510

>>10253508
>skepticalraptor
Sorry buddy, your blog site doesn't count for much.

>> No.10253531

>>10253510
Sorry buddy, your Corvelva site doesn't count for anything.

>> No.10253582

>>10253510
It has skeptic in the name so it's automatically right.

>> No.10253587
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>>10253531
Okay, you go ahead and think that. Italy already fired all health advisory board members and is funding more research like this.
HHS has already been proven and has signed in a foia request that they have not done any studies in the last 30 years as required by the 1986 act. see pic related.
Being pro-vaccine is now considered anti-science.

>> No.10253619

This doesn't make any sense. They looked for antigens because they know they'd work. Haven't found any, okay. That means the producer fucked up. It does not mean vaccines are useless or harmful.

>> No.10253669

>>10253619
>It does not mean vaccines are useless or harmful.
Why is it "all vaccines are bad because some are known to be bad" or "all vaccines are good even if they don't have the ingredients they're supposed to"? What about "this could do good things for the public but if we're even considering requiring it for everyone we should make sure producers don't fuck up"?

>> No.10253672
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>>10253669
Because the subject is very controversial and the industry is literally forcing this product on people who do not want it with mandation? Oh you want to sue for an injury? Too fucking bad, manufacturer has immunity from liability because daddy pharma gotta protect his profits, not your children's health.

>> No.10253676

>>10253587
>Italy already fired all health advisory board members and is funding more research like this.
Well gee, if a politician says it it must be true.

>Being pro-vaccine is now considered anti-science.
Your conspiracy theories aren't evidence.

>> No.10253685

>>10253430
>no antigens.
Antigen means the thing that your immune system reacts against, and can be almost anything, like you cannot say that something contains no antigens. There are real examples of stuff similar to this happening, but I doubt the veracity of what you've posted. If there is a grain of truth, it's likely sensationalised.

>> No.10253690

>>10253587
The current Italian government is retarded, what's your point? Either random websites can be dismissed out of hand and your entire post is invalid, or random websites are valid sources and you should respond to the critique. Choose one.

>HHS has already been proven and has signed in a foia request that they have not done any studies in the last 30 years as required by the 1986 act. see pic related.
Your pic shows that there was no record responsive to the request, it doesn't show that there was no report or that there were no studies. Why are you lying about what it says?

https://vaxopedia.org/2018/07/22/did-the-us-government-lose-a-landmark-vaccine-lawsuit/

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>>10253676
>it's just a conspiracy theory!
They literally signed in the foia request that no documents regarding bi-annual reports on vaccine safety have ever been sent to congress as mandated by the 1986 act.
But don't worry, I'm sure they're doing all of the other important safety studies too just like they totally said this one was being done.
Italy fired the entire medical board and is going to be replacing it with "dangerous anti-vaxxers" now. Just wait until other European countries do the same.
>>10253685
Read the study and believe whatever you want man.

>> No.10253696

>>10253690
Yeah, nothing was sent to congress. Whether the safety studies were done or not doesn't matter. The whole point of it was to send it out to congress for review of what is going on with the vaccine program.

What they've done is the equivalent of "We totally did the safety science, we pinky promise"

>> No.10253697

>>10253619
>>10253669
>>10253672
They didn't find any because they did not take into account the effect of adjuvants in the vaccine, which renders their methodology useless, not because there weren't any antigens. See>>10253508

>> No.10253699

>>10253691
>Read the study and believe whatever you want man.
The article >>10253508 linked to pretty clearly explains WHY they found no antigens - because their methodology was flawed.

>> No.10253704

>>10253696
>Yeah, nothing was sent to congress.
Nothing which matches the criteria on the FOIA request was sent to congress. That's a very different thing.

>> No.10253707

>>10253696
>Yeah, nothing was sent to congress.
You realize that a report isn't "sent" to Congress if it's given in person right?

>Whether the safety studies were done or not doesn't matter.
Then why did you just lie and say the studies were never done? Why lie about something that doesn't matter?

>What they've done is the equivalent of "We totally did the safety science, we pinky promise"
Except the studies were done and are published, available for anyone to read. You tried to do a bait and switch by conflating the report to Congress with safety studies, which doesn't even work since both the report and the studies occurred. Why do you need to lie and twist words if you actually believe what you're saying? Can you explain that?

>> No.10253717

>>10253697
Yes, that would also explain the other things they found as well.

>> No.10253721

>>10253704
>>10253707
>T-they totally did the studies, just because somebody proved it was never sent doesn't mean I cant pull some mental gymnastics!

>> No.10253725

>>10253707
>You realize that a report isn't "sent" to Congress if it's given in person right?
What's the precedent for FOIA requests always being beyond overly literal (i.e. "transmitted" means only sent over electromagnetic waves) in order to make the government and corporate donors look bad?

>> No.10253727

>>10253721
>Still conflating the FOIA request with a report
>Still conflating the report with studies
>Still ignoring that the studies have been published for everyone to see https://vaxopedia.org/2018/07/22/did-the-us-government-lose-a-landmark-vaccine-lawsuit/
>Yet accuses others of mental gymnastics

Alright, thread's over, this faggot has nothing more than projection of his delusional sophistry. No point in giving him further (You)s

>> No.10253730

>>10253721
>greentext wharblgarble
You're bullshitting so hard I can't even tell which claims you're making anymore.
Just stop and go back to >>>/x/.

>> No.10253771

>>10253721
Pst, your turn now, the script doesn't work if you don't keep responding.

>> No.10253853

>>10253430
Remember: because one street vendor in China was accused of selling literal garbage under the label of chicken nuggets that all chicken nuggets are now considered hazardous and to be disposed of. This has been a PSA from the 4CHLSU funded by the Jannie foundation for a cleaner board. Please recycle your memes in the corresponding bin

>> No.10253900

>>10253853
t. Dial Soap salesman

>> No.10253908
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>>10253853
BETTER SAFE THAN SORRY

>> No.10253920

>>10253697
Possible. I was just criticizing OP's thought process of "they found no antigens => all vaccines are a scam".

>> No.10253931

>>10253908
Chemicals are natural...

>> No.10253939

>>10253908
Checked a bunch of stuff. Only correlation seems to be with the color of the text printed on the pouch.
Have ones with blue and red/maroon "squares" which match the color of the text.

My sample size is pretty small, though.

>> No.10253987

>>10253430
> Google drive
Not a source. If you want people to believe you, publish the data in a peer-reviewed journal.

> Buh buh the Man won't allow that
Then it's crap science

>> No.10253991

>>10253430
> We have not found
Doesn't mean it's not there. It just means that they didn't look all that hard.

And how did they look? ELISA? RIA? The devil's in the details.