Starship / BFR construction:

[Anonymous No.10252814]

Starship Hopper construction watch, thread #6
Previous: >>10249331

New renders incoming.

[Anonymous No.10252837]

We haven’t even reached the bump limit, ya idiot
t. Angery since I’ve started the last five threads and you stole my job

[Anonymous No.10252843]

They plan to do hop tests in January, right?

[Anonymous No.10252853]

>>10252843
March/April, with orbital launches potentially in 2019 (60% chance and rising)

[Anonymous No.10252897]

SOON

[Anonymous No.10252907]

[Anonymous No.10253064]

>>10252907
needs an update for the 1800 posts we’ve had in these watch-people-weld-things ogling threads

[Anonymous No.10253067]

>>10252897
Ghost nosecone on the right.

[Anonymous No.10253074]

>>10253067
The surface is highly specular(?), like hi-vis jacket material

[Anonymous No.10253117]

>>10253074
These highly reflective rockets are clearly a safety hazard to aircraft. This entire program needs to be halted.

[Anonymous No.10253135]

>>10253117
considering how the American airline pilot association was irked by the falcon heavy launch, daily NOTAMs for Starship will for sure anger some people

[Anonymous No.10253180]

Are Americans asleep now or why is the thread so slow

[Anonymous No.10253190]

>>10253180
Alabama vs Oklahoma sportball game is on right now. Btw fuck Sooners

[Anonymous No.10253191]

>>10253180
burgers are waiting for more updates so we can sperg out

[Anonymous No.10253300]

I've just been watching a bunch of stuff from 2 years ago. It's interesting to see what people, like the Virgin Galactic guy with a hard on for composite tanks, were getting excited about and what's changed (and what hasn't).

[Anonymous No.10253309]

>>10253190
Not sure why they still get paid after this game

[Anonymous No.10253366]

[Anonymous No.10253380]

>be Boca Chica resident
>live a quaint life near the ocean
>suddenly, across the street is a gigantic solar facility, spaceship tracking dishes, and methane storage tanks
>some billionaire is also building a rocket in a tent

[Anonymous No.10253427]

>>10253135
Full story please
What is a NOTAM?

[Anonymous No.10253453]

>>10253427
notice to airmen. They notify where and when you can’t fly. For the falcon heavy launch, the NOTAM said that you can’t fly across the flight path of the rocket, for instance. This forced flights to divert and take longer to get to their destinations.
NOTAMS are useful though, since they give indications of the specific orbit a rocket is aiming for (you look at the flight corridor) especially when it’s a classified payload and the orbital information will never be officially posted.
NOTAMS can be big and small. New Shepherd flights get NOTAMS.

[Anonymous No.10253486]

>>10253453
Why were pilots mad about heavy?

[Anonymous No.10253491]

>>10253486
Pilots are all boomers who perpetually have their panties in a knot about something. They're almost as bad as radio hams.

[Anonymous No.10253495]

>>10253486
It was a particularly big no-fly zone. Cool article/visual piece here that explains it well https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2018/business/spacex-falcon-heavy-launch-faa-air-traffic/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.6c40d15eb7dc

[Anonymous No.10253599]

>>10253453
It's also to let pilots know they might see something unusual, and the equivalent process in Europe at least makes sure that there's (ostensibly) a way to contact someone running the launch should that need to happen for some reason (like something unplanned has happened, a pilot can get more information).

[Anonymous No.10253889]

>>10253495
>shutting down everything for TREEE HOURS when the launch was done and the boosters landed after 10 minutes
Everything government is designed to be as worthless as possible

[Anonymous No.10253972]

>>10252907
The athlete's foot got me and that's how I'll be calling that faggot from now on.

Anyway this is a threadly reminder that such scale reusable super heavy lift vehicle-orbiter should be impossible without massive government assistance.

To prove otherwise is horrifying in its implications for the government's ability to solve problems.
It also questions the judgment of all those intelligent people that put their faith in the government as the only entity that can and hence should solve problems.

If this succeeds I'm going ancap. Keep in mind I'm surrounded by che shirts.

[Anonymous No.10254015]

>>10253889
Cant wait for daily BFR launches so this bureaucratic BS ends. It is the equivalent of red flag traffic laws.

[Anonymous No.10254159]

>>10253889
Pilot and airplane regulations have been utterly retarded for a long time, flying a plane is easier than driving a car but they want to make it arcane/complicated....

[Anonymous No.10254178]

>>10253972
There's no need to be full ancap you actual communist, just be a mild libertarian
Come to /k/, we have guns

[Anonymous No.10254182]

No new photos today, yet. But I’ll keep my eyes peeled

[Anonymous No.10254185]

>>10254182
It's still only 5 am

[Anonymous No.10254189]

>>10254185
Sunrise is 7:16, I guess you’re right

[Anonymous No.10254198]

>>10254189
You need to check local time in Boca Chika, it's 8:30 in EST and 5:30 Pacific, but I don't know what time it is in Texas
The workers will probably start around 6 or 7 AM local without regard for the sun

[Anonymous No.10254204]

>>10254189
>>10254198
They're central time so it's 7:40 there right now
They're probably already working

[Anonymous No.10254212]

>>10254204
>>10254198
It’s going to be a pain if there’s a mars conlony... you’ll have different time zones on earth and mars, plus different day lengths. Maybe we’ll all just use Unix time.

[Anonymous No.10254223]

>>10254212
The day lengths are going to fuck everything
Martian Sol is 25 hours, right?

[Anonymous No.10254228]

>>10254223
just under. I suppose it won’t matter that much; Apollo astronauts used Houston time.

[Anonymous No.10254282]

>>10254228
That's because lunar days are actually months and completely worthless
The crews on the mars rovers swap over to Martian Sols

[Anonymous No.10254314]

>>10254159
>flying a plane is easier than driving a car
only retards who have played flight simulators come up with retarded statements like this

[Anonymous No.10254333]

>>10254314
>Hahahahahahahaha How The Fuck Plane Crashes Real Hahahaha Nigga Just Put On Autopilot Like Nigga It Flies Itself Haha

[Anonymous No.10254348]

>>10254314
In some ways it is. I know a few people who work with small "experimental" (usually nothing that exciting) aircraft, and they've all said the same thing. You've got a lot less to worry about crashing into generally, you have less mental tax in worrying about what other people are doing generally, even if other skills are more advanced.

They also really like flying, preference might have something to do with it.

[Anonymous No.10254438]

Seems like they have the day off

[Anonymous No.10254443]

[Anonymous No.10254449]

Not much activity

[Anonymous No.10254458]

Seems rainy.

[Anonymous No.10254471]

>>10254458
Can't weld in the rain, you'll get water in the weld
Which means hydrogen in the weld
Which turns your amazing alloy into scrap

[Anonymous No.10254490]

>>10252814
Can someone redpill me on this..? Is he actually claiming that thing will fly/get anything done or is he just doing a PR stun to keep sponsors before he sells his shares and jumps ship?

[Anonymous No.10254495]

>>10254490
>Is he actually claiming that thing will fly/get anything done
Why it wouldn't? Just strap some engines and it will fly.
It's just to test shit, it's not supposed to be anything serious.

[Anonymous No.10254497]

>>10254490
>this guy again

[Anonymous No.10254498]

Wish I could help but you gotta detox yourself from the purple pills first bro.
Keep it together man I know you can do it.

[Anonymous No.10254500]

>>10254495
>it's not supposed to be anything serious.
So why even do it, especially this time of year?

[Anonymous No.10254501]

>>10254490
when he describes what he's doing after he tests it in March/April, Elon is going to be asked:

"so why wasn't the rocket built in some ultra-pristine clean room?"

to which he will respond that it just isn't necessary, just like he said that training to fly to Mars wouldn't be necessary/would be minimal, because going to space just involves 'floating around'. Elon smashes conventional wisdom left right and centre, this is going to be no different. All that probably matters is that this thing is /roughly/ the right shape and weight to accommodate the engines and fuel tanks.

[Anonymous No.10254507]

>>10254501
>just like he said that training to fly to Mars wouldn't be necessary/would be minimal, because going to space just involves 'floating around'.
Really? To me that's really worrying, it's extremely weird working in zero-g which is why NASA spends so much on training astronauts in the environment.

The golden rule of prep is that you make the test conditions AS CLOSE AS POSSIBLE to the irl conditions so people are prepared.

[Anonymous No.10254508]

>>10254500
they gotta launch a bajillion Starlink satellites by 2022. Anything to speed up starship development is a must.

[Anonymous No.10254513]

>>10254507
that’s since the ISS requires regular spacewalks with 20-year-old spacewalking equipment, and there’s a gigantic book of how to do things by the book that everyone adheres to, since it’s the book

[Anonymous No.10254521]

>>10254507
NASA, Roscosmos, CNSA all train astronauts hard because every astronaut has to be capable of every task.

Elon wants a few highly trained astronauts ferrying around larger numbers of minimally trained passengers.

[Anonymous No.10254525]

>>10254513
The use of procedural techniques is extremely important.

My prediction now is, even if Musk is able to get to space, something minor will go wrong, it will escalate, people will die and he'll be there with his dick in his hand mumbling about it being a beta or some shit.

[Anonymous No.10254526]

>>10254521
this. Current astronauts are highly trained because they hold the responsibility of operating the vehicles they fly in. A few tens of normies flying on a Starship with their pilot handlers don't need to know much other than how to breathe.

[Anonymous No.10254532]

>>10254526
>2001aspaceodysseytoiletinstructions.png

[Anonymous No.10254551]

>>10254526
>vomits all over in zero g
>sues
>mars 3024

[Anonymous No.10254561]

>>10254526
Mars colonists will be highly trained too
Sending mouthbreathers to mars is a good way to get everyone killed
Plus, the ticket being expensive as fuck ensures that you get good stock instead of stoners and nogs

[Anonymous No.10254568]

>>10254561
I'm sure the Mars colonists will be very intelligent, yes. But theoretically, you could send a mouthbreather into space and he'd probably survive. Everyone would hate him though.

[Anonymous No.10254610]

Minimizing failure modes is a crucial aspect of any big do-all manned spacecraft. That goes hand in hand with minimizing necessary human input.
If anything, they’ll design crewed starship to be completely void of human necessity, outside of cleaning and food preparation.
Now, mars is different. The first few decades of human settlements will definitely be extremely hands-on and require big brain individuals + extensive training.

[Anonymous No.10254624]

>>10254526
And how to shit/piss/eat/sleep
Basic instruction in not breaking your arm/equipment with violent motions

[Anonymous No.10254649]

Repasting my opion (fact actually) about why its 100% false that they will can switch from carbon fibronics to steel:

that makes no fucking sense imo. Surely theres a great mass hit that they are trying to cover up.

I know people like to think research is all a wonderful quest for excitment and adventure where at any moment anything can happen and ohhh what will happen next oh my god how exciting?!!!

In reality scientifics knew the properties of steel and the properties of carbon well before starting the first sketch of the rocket. They knew objectively considering all facts that carbon was better, now they failed at it and try to pass it out as if steel was better all along but they just found out. Total bullshit, theres gonna be a HUGE downside, they just havent said it yet

[Anonymous No.10254652]

>>10254649
lol didn’t read

[Anonymous No.10254654]

>>10254532
Lazy bugger

[Anonymous No.10254656]

>>10254652
That's great Elon.

[Anonymous No.10254657]

>>10254624
But they don't need instructions on how to fly/repair the Starship, or eva instructions.

[Anonymous No.10254664]

>>10254654
It truly is one of this things that they need to get right. The ISS toilet has some downsides that the astronauts complain about, so at least they have a starting point.

[Anonymous No.10254665]

>>10254159
Ok little retardanon, put aside your color blocks for a while and listen on up.

Think really hard about this one

Fact 1) Airplanes are extremely complex machines which in case of malfunction have a very good chance of killing absolutely everyone on board, they carre between 80 and 500 people each time.

Fact 2) Despite this, fatality rate for airplanes is lower than that for travelling on cars or bus.

Fact 3)Regulation agencies are very VERY strict about safety checks and controls.


Think real hard if those 3 are connected somehow

[Anonymous No.10254667]

>>10254657
or detailed training on carrying out science experiments. That’s like 60% of the workload on the ISS

[Anonymous No.10254669]

>>10254649
and he would have gotten away with it if it weren't for your excellent post

[Anonymous No.10254670]

Is there a livestream of this action? Or are we just getting sneeky shots.

[Anonymous No.10254674]

>>10254665
anon, flying a plane really isn’t that hard. Practically al of the regulations have to do with procedural red tape, communication requirements... If they took all of that out of the licensing anyone with a pulse would be able to fly.

[Anonymous No.10254676]

>>10254507
>>10254501
youre total retards, he wasnt talking about actual astronaut training he was talking about hypothetical passenger training. Sure the flight crew would be super hotshots like astronauts and pilots are today but merely for oging as a passenger you just have to learn to use the bathroom and not poke holes on the ship.

[Anonymous No.10254677]

>>10254670
none yet, but hopefully the hops will be streamed.

[Anonymous No.10254679]

>>10254551
kekd

[Anonymous No.10254680]

>>10254664
Fun fact, in one of the space shuttle missions the space toilet failed and exposed the astronauts anus to vacuum, he had to fix it while wiping

[Anonymous No.10254681]

>>10254674
>anyone with a pulse would be able to fly
sweet fuck that is the stuff of nightmares right there

[Anonymous No.10254682]

>>10254680
HOT

[Anonymous No.10254684]

>>10254676
that's what I meant, sorry if I wasn't clear

[Anonymous No.10254685]

>>10254681
it’s sort of self regulating for ultralights. Everyone that’s dumb kills themselves.
t. Gyrocopter enthusiast

[Anonymous No.10254688]

>>10254680
>>10254664
I figure a Mars bound starship will want to keep the human remains on board. So it can be used for fertilizer.

[Anonymous No.10254690]

>>10254685
that doesn't help very much when some half baked retard decides to rev it up to ramming speed before checking himself out

[Anonymous No.10254702]

>>10254690
>>10254685
>>10254681

I see this discussion has devolved into one of pilot training, which departs from the discussion of passenger training. Please terminate this discussion as it is irrelevant.

[Anonymous No.10254728]

>>10254702
ok mom

[Anonymous No.10254905]

>>10254657
Somebody does, though everyone should have basic damage control ability since if everything goes to fuck, everyone dies

[Anonymous No.10254908]

>>10254702
Shoo shoo redditor

[Anonymous No.10254913]

What specifically needs to happen to make a stainless steel cone flightworthy? Can they really just hook up three raptors in there and set it off? What about ballast/mass difference between the test article and the final spaceship?
t. brainlet

[Anonymous No.10254951]

>>10254913
we’re not sure, since we really don’t know what else has changed in the design besides the structural switch to stainless steel. But you’d need a full avionics package, air-tight welds, the strength to withstand max-q, all sorts of communications equipment, solar panels, and probably more redundant systems overall

[Anonymous No.10254985]

>>10254913
It's pretty much an elaborate test stand for the raptors and the related landing software. Since its shorter and the weight distribution much different they'll definitely have to use ballast to approximate what the actual space ship will be. You can google the f9 hopper to get an idea what this will do in the coming weeks.

[Anonymous No.10255261]

Don’t forget to tune into the New Horizons flyby everyone

[Anonymous No.10255281]

>>10254908
Yanks and their lack of understanding of irony

when will they learn?

[Anonymous No.10255297]

>>10255261
ETA on that?

[Anonymous No.10255307]

>>10255297
New Year's Day laddo

[Anonymous No.10255347]

>>10254985
This, it's one part test stand, one part troll, and all parts cool

[Anonymous No.10255497]

Elon just liked this

[Anonymous No.10255504]

>>10255497
Someone try to convince him the fleet should be named after something like "vibranium".

[Anonymous No.10255507]

>>10255504
>a gaggle of starships

[Anonymous No.10255578]

>>10254681
t. Pilot who gets antsy when there is another plane within 5 miles, and called Harrison Ford missing a passenger plane by hundreds of feet a close call

[Anonymous No.10255970]

Here’s an afternoon snack

[Anonymous No.10255973]

[Anonymous No.10255977]

[Anonymous No.10255979]

[Anonymous No.10256031]

>>10255979
Is that another segment? Looks a lot smaller than the current pieces.

[Anonymous No.10256035]

>>10256031
No, it’s the same size. You can see it in the flyover video. Probably the last piece in the dome, but we’ve been thinking that for a while. Could still be another one to go on as well. This thing will be pretty tall all together

[Anonymous No.10256040]

What a shame they didn’t increase the size of the rocket with the switch to an easier material to work with
And man how much time was wasted on carbon composite memes

[Anonymous No.10256054]

>>10256040
9m is a sweet spot I guess. Not really a need to upscale to ITS sizes yet; keep in mind that besides starlink satellites (which don’t even exist in large numbers yet) there aren’t exactly any payloads in the pipeline which take advantage of starship’s size.
Once there is a industry built around cheap space hardware, then there might be a market for a 12 or higher meter diameter starship.
Mars, well that could benefit a lot- but again, I think SpaceX will be limited in the production rate of shit to land on the surface. Wouldn’t be surprised if a lot of the shipments are just full of boxes of raw materials or water.

[Anonymous No.10256059]

>>10256054
>Wouldn’t be surprised if a lot of the shipments are just full of boxes
Coffins.

[Anonymous No.10256070]

>>10256059
>first to die on another world
Still more than you'll ever achieve

[Anonymous No.10256074]

Major happening! It’s been moved!

[Anonymous No.10256087]

>>10256059
>implying your body won’t just be ground up and used as grub farm fertilizer
burying is a waste

[Anonymous No.10256088]

>>10256074
How far did they move it

[Anonymous No.10256089]

>>10256054
Probably won't be shipping much water, that should be one of the first things to ISRU.

[Anonymous No.10256096]

>>10256089
Obviously if they have to ship basic stuff like water, then you might as well not do mars at all
Shipments of solar panels, vehicles, machinery for construction materials will occupy cargos for years

[Anonymous No.10256097]

>>10256074
Also do you have the GPS coordinates of this place

[Anonymous No.10256123]

>>10256097
25.988 -97.185

>>10256088
Not that far, 10-20 meters. But it’s standing on its own legs, which is awesome

[Anonymous No.10256130]

>Been away from the Internet over the last few weeks
>Mfw I come back and all this hardware construction

[Anonymous No.10256135]

>>10256123
Thanks

[Anonymous No.10256142]

[Anonymous No.10256158]

>>10256130
You missed the scrubathon as well. We had a four-launches-in-one-day megathread, but all of them scrubbed. Some got scrubbed, then scrubbed again, and then scrubbed again as well. Two, New Shepherd and Delta IV Heavy, STILL haven’t launched.
In the midst of that madness people realized this big steel thing being built in Boca Chica. Now, six threads later, we’re here.

[Anonymous No.10256161]

>>10256158
They ALL scrubbed? JFC. I only watched the SpaceX stream and left after they scrubbed.

[Anonymous No.10256170]

>>10256161
yeah the Soyuz, New Glenn, F9, and Delta IV all scrubbed. Low altitude winds, GSE issues, high altitude winds, hydrogen leaks.. all sorts of reasons

[Anonymous No.10256172]

>>10256170
You know shit's fucked when even the Soyuz gets scrubbed.

[Anonymous No.10256220]

>>10253380
There are literally three households with residents in them, and one of them moved in after they found out SpaceX was coming. Two are excited. One isn't.

[Anonymous No.10256221]

Thank you candid cameranon camping out in shitty Port Isabel, Texas

You truly are a spacex sperglord

[Anonymous No.10256226]

>>10256220
Living near a rocket launch facility would be awesome, sitting on your porch with a glass of whisky and some earplugs watching BFRs go up, fucking sick.

[Anonymous No.10256232]

>>10256221
It’s not me, it’s a random woman on NSF forum. I also post pics from twitter and local Facebook groups

[Anonymous No.10256240]

>>10256232
>>10256221
That being said if I did live close to the area I’d be down there with a telephoto lens and camping gear for sure

[Anonymous No.10256295]

>>10256221

Damn, that's a decent drive. You have to drive around the ship channel to a bridge to Brownsville and back to the coast. Easily a decent hour drive despite how close it is.

If South Padre had any foresight, they should should advertise the launches. You would have excellent views from basically anywhere in the city. I would say it may be a better setup than Cape Canaveral.

[Anonymous No.10256362]

newfag reporting

>why are they building it outside

[Anonymous No.10256372]

>>10254490
>sponsors before he sells his shares
He already sold his shares after his 420 funding secured scam.

[Anonymous No.10256384]

>>10254526
>hold the responsibility of operating the vehicles they fly in.
Wait you actually think that astronauts navigate and FLY rockets/spaceships?
Get the hell back to /futurology brainlet, ofc you are a musk fanboy you have no clue about rocket science and technology.

[Anonymous No.10256389]

>>10256362
from what we can tell the test article is too large to be built effectively like the other rockets (hawthorne -> macgregor -> cape kennedy
so instead they are just making it outside because it's faster and (in theory) shouldn't impact the ability of the thing to fly. Still very unorthodox though.

[Anonymous No.10256795]

>>10256389
It makes me feel all icky

[Anonymous No.10256803]

>>10256384
where did I say that?

[Anonymous No.10256892]

>>10256795
it speeds up development

[Anonymous No.10256903]

New photos

[Anonymous No.10256910]

So there’s another section in prep, and one staged on the concrete stand.

[Anonymous No.10256911]

[Anonymous No.10256915]

>>10256910
>ULTRA BOOM

That's what it sounds like when the hopper fails.

[Anonymous No.10256925]

>>10256915
it will only deflagrate, there won’t be that much of a kaboom—if any of them do kaboom

[Anonymous No.10256931]

>>10256925
>it will only deflagrate
Conflagrate, and why do you think that?

[Anonymous No.10256936]

>>10256931
>Conflagrate
Oh jesus, I'm misremembering key terminology now, it is deflagrate.

[Anonymous No.10256947]

>>10256931
If there’s tank failure, you all of a suddenly have 1 atm methane and LOX lollying around. That doesn’t allow for much pressure buildup, and your stoichiometrics won’t be ideal too.
It’ll burn and there might be a bang, but the majority of the potential energy won’t contribute to it.
This of course depends on the failure mode. If a fuel line pops or a raptor guts itself then that might be a larger bang

[Anonymous No.10256950]

>>10256903
>>10256910
>>10256911
This shit looks incredibly crude.

I work in the aerospace industry and one of the design philosophies right now is to make the surface as perfectly even as possible to reduce drag and uneven application of force on the chasis. Sure this is mostly for jets and airplanes but the BFR wants to do a plane-like re-entry into the atmosphere.

This is extremely unorthodox and really fucking risky. If Musk fucks up and people die doing this it could have severe consequences and delay the space era for an entire generation. Honestly he needs to stop being a faggot.

If he actually succeeds however, he will be a straight up hero and might revolutionize how we think about aerospace engineering. Might even result in cheaper jets and airplanes as we would copy some of the cost cutting measures and finally have some competition for the duopoly of Boeing/Airbus

[Anonymous No.10256958]

>>10256950
This is a hopper, it only goes 5km up at most. Validating the fact they they can weld stuff is not the point of the tests it will do.
Why waste time on building it to perfect aerospace specs? Grasshopper wasn’t exactly a perfect specimen of textbook manufacturing either.

[Anonymous No.10256961]

>>10256950
It's an almost literal boilerplate test article where the fidelity of the exterior is more for the human eye than any practical engineering aspects.

[Anonymous No.10256979]

Think of it like the Little Joe series of rockets. Those things were crude - if you ever see one in person, you’ll notice how hand-made it looks up close. But, they got the job done.

[Anonymous No.10256988]

>>10256910
10 elon bucks their building a Super Heavy hopper next.

[Anonymous No.10256989]

>>10256958
The only reason it has a flight ceiling is regulations
Otherwise they would fly it much higher

[Anonymous No.10256994]

>>10256988
What’s the Elonbucks to Bezosbucks ratio

[Anonymous No.10257009]

>>10256950
>BFR wants to do a plane-like re-entry into the atmosphere

this thing is a test article, if you watch how slowly grasshopper moved you'll see how little these slight imperfections are going to matter to aerodynamics

>Honestly he needs to stop being a faggot.
yes

[Anonymous No.10257014]

>>10256988
i’d bet on it being a test fit, or another regular hopper.

[Anonymous No.10257020]

>>10256979
this looks miles better than the bfr hopper
honestly I have seen mockups that look better than that abomination

[Anonymous No.10257032]

>>10257020
once they pressurize and puff it up + finish polishing it’ll look nicer. You’re just seeing the sheet metal wrinkles and unusual light reflections.

[Anonymous No.10257045]

>>10254212
What about a Unix time mark2. Time since landing/colony start

[Anonymous No.10257051]

>>10257045
>metric time is finally adopted
1 Ms in a day, 1ks in an hour...

[Anonymous No.10257052]

WAAAH IT NO LOOK GOOD WAAH

[Anonymous No.10257056]

>>10256994
4.20 elonbucks to 1 bezosbucks.

>>10257014
Good call. Honestly have no idea what'll happen next though. Part of me thinks it's just a PR stunt, another small part thinks this thing will be orbiting the earth by the end of 2019.

[Anonymous No.10257059]

At least they’re using Miller welders. If it was Lincoln I’d be worried

[Anonymous No.10257061]

>>10256950
shut up

[Anonymous No.10257066]

>>10257061
The Apollo heatshield is neat, but outdated, and obscenely labor intensive. Each one of those cells was filled up with phenolic resin, with a caulking gun, by hand.

[Anonymous No.10257072]

>>10257059
fuck Lincoln

[Anonymous No.10257073]

>>10256226
Not to mention all the triple (maybe different for starship) sonic booms as they come in daily for landings

[Anonymous No.10257075]

>>10257066
HULLO GUYS

[Anonymous No.10257078]

>>10257075
https://youtu.be/ZVa4cKCQ82A

[Anonymous No.10257081]

[Anonymous No.10257087]

>>10256958
Then what exactly are they achieving with it? The data is useless and their staff also doesn't learn production techniques. So why bother?

[Anonymous No.10257089]

>>10257087
>the data is useless
oh golly, you’re pretty dum aren’t you

[Anonymous No.10257096]

>>10257087
Engine testing and mass characteristics, the Raptors need to be tested inflight and ballast can be used to simulate the mass Starship's mass.

[Anonymous No.10257098]

>>10257087
Well let’s see, you can analyze the flight envelope. You can see how the control algorithms perform. You can experiment with throttling techniques. You can determine how the changing center of mass effects the flight characteristics. You can figure out if your plumbing functions and feeds properly at various points in flight. You can make sure that the altimeter and other sensors aren’t messed up by the highly reflective skin. You can plug and play quickly with the latest raptor designs. You can determine how deep the alternate law limits can be. You gain experience flying out of Boca Chica and the new regulatory issues that might arise. You gain experience with filling CH4 tanks.
all sorts of stuff, use your brain dummy

[Anonymous No.10257107]

>>10257098
you can take pretty photos for the press!

[Anonymous No.10257108]

>>10257107
pretty photos don’t launch starlink satellites.

[Anonymous No.10257119]

>>10257108
>muh starlink
kek
>mfw it starts to rain
>no internet

[Anonymous No.10257122]

>>10257087
>the same dickhead "just asking" once again

[Anonymous No.10257129]

>>10257119
Rain face with ka/ku isn’t that bad since they can dynamically switch the satellite that’s serving you for the least disruption.

[Anonymous No.10257133]

>>10257129
*rain fade

[Anonymous No.10257137]

>>10256947
>That doesn’t allow for much pressure buildup
You can have pressure build up with just the atmosphere, although I believe LOX tends to lowkey react with everything so might be more of a deflagration.

I suggest you have a look at some more case studies, a methane leak could detonate without too much trouble even if it's a slow leak.

[Anonymous No.10257140]

>>10257098
Savage annon why did you have to destroy our "SpaceX and Tesla are going bankrupt" ledditor !
Even if he nick-picks every single point the sum of them is still a valid reason...

[Anonymous No.10257146]

>>10257137
Yes, and also the flammability limit is 5-15% in air, that’s relatively narrow

[Anonymous No.10257164]

>>10257146
I think I'm not remembering something right as http://www.hse.gov.uk/research/rrpdf/rr1113.pdf suggests it hasn't happened in such a way as to cause significant secondary damage. That said it does warn about blends as well as other things initiating the explosion.

[Anonymous No.10257165]

>>10257129
cloud is a little fatter and bigger than usual and your fancy switching doesn't work anymore

once again: satellite internet even from leo in a perfect environment is inferior to ground internet in every aspect aside from speed, which isn't that big of a difference for 99% of the consumers, unless you are a scalp trader or something like that

[Anonymous No.10257171]

>>10257165
even with rain fade average uptimes right now for sat internet is in the 99.9+% range.
I think you’d be surprised at for how many people starlink would be an improvement. Fidelity thinks so

[Anonymous No.10257192]

>>10257171
sure, those few millions living on islands with shitty internet will definitely have an improvement. this is however not enough to fund a fucking space program to mars, let alone it's even questionable if the return on those fancy 12k satellites will be enough considering for most people cable will still be cheaper

[Anonymous No.10257234]

>>10257192
why are you upset?

[Anonymous No.10257244]

>>10257234
>criticise something
>"who hurt you"
lmao

[Anonymous No.10257251]

>>10257244
there's nothing to criticize, it's just a communications network

[Anonymous No.10257256]

>>10257251
>dirty europoors can now play on my favorite game servers with half the ping
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[Anonymous No.10257257]

>>10257256
is this the reason you (just you) have been sperging about musk for weeks?

[Anonymous No.10257258]

>>10257251
>you can't critize X of type Y, it's just Y
wat
>>10257256
ping was never slow, it's the server that are shit most of the time

[Anonymous No.10257260]

>>10254490
Well, he built a fuckton of rockets that can land themselves, seems ridiculous to jump ship now (unless its exploding mid-flight)

[Anonymous No.10257262]

>>10254674
FLYING isn't hard, but landing is another story...

[Anonymous No.10257263]

>>10257260
do not respond to the redditor

[Anonymous No.10257269]

>>10257263
reminder that redditors are the biggest spacex shills in existence

[Anonymous No.10257274]

>>10257269
Yeah. I hope this thing works, but the thing they are building right now is NOT going to space. It looks so shoddy, it's probably the hopper they are going to test. If it does work, that's great, but it's pretty ludicrous even as a concept.

[Anonymous No.10257283]

>>10252907
>being mean to o'neil cylinder enthusiast
>:^(

Also wtf that shit could have been started in the 70s and we'd have them JUST READ THE HIGH FRONTIER AND GET OF THE MARS MEME SHEEPLE

[Anonymous No.10257292]

>>10257269
That's why he's here shitting it up, because he couldn't get any previous upvotes on reddit

[Anonymous No.10257296]

alright everyone shut up, we have a new happening to discuss

[Anonymous No.10257302]

spacex is no private its pentagon program and cia to destroy europe

[Anonymous No.10257305]

>>10257296
oh no no no no

[Anonymous No.10257319]

>>10257296
So starship hopper is either now 45 meters tall, or this is a ballon tank segment. Check out these aerospace grade wood blocks btw

[Anonymous No.10257331]

>>10257319
The sheet metal part is clearly not a pressure vessel, nor designed with significant loads in mind.

[Anonymous No.10257341]

>>10257331
if they add a reinforcement strip along the inside for an overlapping weld it can be plenty strong. Remember, Elon said it would be fine pressurized and unpressurized. We’re only seeing it unpressurized right now

[Anonymous No.10257343]

Seems that security have been very lax about moving people on who are taking photos. Is SpaceX intentionally trying to showcase the low-tech production methods being used here?

[Anonymous No.10257347]

>>10257319
Good ol cellulose foam.

[Anonymous No.10257353]

>>10257269
PEOPLE DOING ROCKETS MAKES ME MAD

NOO STOP DOING ROCKETS AAAAAAAAAAAH

[Anonymous No.10257363]

>>10257343
>security
>public land

[Anonymous No.10257366]

>>10257363
the police can and have been escorting people away, just not very much

[Anonymous No.10257368]

>>10257269
Reddit has entire subs dedicated to shitting on musk and his companies.

[Anonymous No.10257370]

>>10257366
because those police don't understand the law

[Anonymous No.10257373]

>>10257343
They’re close to a public road. Not much they can do to hide production. If they cared about showing off they’d have sent out a notice to the media, which they haven’t.

[Anonymous No.10257374]

>>10257368
it started after he exposed himself as a shitlord

[Anonymous No.10257376]

>>10257370
They understand it, it’s the lookyloos that don’t understand. One of the local twitter photographers was asked to leave, but people informed him that he could have stayed. He says that next time he’ll bring a quadcopter with a GoPro

[Anonymous No.10257377]

>>10257373
>If they cared about showing off they’d have sent out a notice to the media, which they haven’t.

no, because the fandom mean people do it for them (like we're seeing)

[Anonymous No.10257381]

>>10257377
Whatever media presence there is, it’s inconsequential. Speed is the necessary metric they care about, not whatever Joe Shmoe’s Facebook feed has on it.

[Anonymous No.10257382]

>>10257374
>it started after he exposed himself as a shitlord
It started years before that. If Shitlords take us to Mars, all hail the shitlords.

[Anonymous No.10257386]

>>10257382
sure there were doubters, but there was a time when he was a liberal idol (think the /s o y/ IAC 2016 Q and A cringefest).

[Anonymous No.10257395]

>>10257386
still is, still isn’t. He’s a divisive man. Some people think he’s a hack fraud, some think he’s a modern day auspicican explorer and humanist. Like most things in life the answer is in the middle.

What none of us can deny, is that there’s this big-ass rocket being built in the middle of nowhere, Texas, and it’s fun to watch it progress.

[Anonymous No.10257396]

>>10257374
Literally shaking.

[Anonymous No.10257422]

>>10257269
>reminder that redditors are the biggest spacex shills in existence

Reddit leftists are by far the main demographic of anti-spacex shills on the internet. On the other hand, SpaceX so-called "shills" are everywhere, but the most concentrated on dedicated spaceflight forums such as NSF.

Turns out you dont need shills if you are landing fucking rockets, who would have thunk.

[Anonymous No.10257437]

>>10257192
rural areas in Africa, South America, North America, Asia, Australia will all benefit greatly from this
Does it serve Antarctica and the Arctic? High speed traders in Europe and North America will also benefit. The only people who won't benefit from this are Europe, who has good internet even in some of their rural areas, and cities above a certain size (who aren't served well by satellite bottlenecks anyway, and have better internet options available)

[Anonymous No.10257441]

>>10257422
>>10257368
the shills have arrived lmao

[Anonymous No.10257450]

Suddenly, engines

[Anonymous No.10257452]

Interesting how everybody who complains about spacex shills invading threads always does it in a spacex thread, but there's never any spacex shills outside spacex threads.

It's almost as if the roles were completely reversed to what they have in their minds.
Could it be that they are the real shills?

>>10252907

[Anonymous No.10257455]

>>10257450
IT BEGINS

[Anonymous No.10257457]

Thank you SpaceX for filling the void in the non-existing SLS progress.

[Anonymous No.10257458]

>>10257450
OOOOFFFFT

[Anonymous No.10257462]

>>10257450
OHHHH FUCK ITS HAPLENING

[Anonymous No.10257463]

>>10257450
what a wild ride this month is

[Anonymous No.10257464]

>YFW Elon launches the hopper on New Years Eve at midnight

[Anonymous No.10257469]

>>10257450
Are those raptors?
WHERE THE FUCK DID THEY COME FROM?

[Anonymous No.10257470]

>>10256988
>put star ship hopper on super heavy hopper and hop it to mars

[Anonymous No.10257472]

since when the fuck did they have Raptors on the ground

[Anonymous No.10257477]

>>10257469
>Are those raptors?
It's not clear if they're the real deal or just placeholders.

[Anonymous No.10257482]

Quick, someone with more autism than me calculate the current vacuum/atmosphere optimization by looking at the engine bell size

>>10257472
>the Sprung tent is actually hiding an underground manufacturing facility
How else do you explain all of this hardware just popping into existence

[Anonymous No.10257485]

>NRO satellites spending more time over Texas than Iran.

[Anonymous No.10257486]

>they’re real
March my ass, this will be ready in a couple weeks

[Anonymous No.10257487]

>>10257296
Maybe for hopper 2?

[Anonymous No.10257488]

Someone get on twitter and ask Musk if those are real Raptor engines.

[Anonymous No.10257489]

>>10257477
calling it now, giant spaceship shaped water tower to house the sound suppression system and to act as a tourist attraction and dickwaving

[Anonymous No.10257490]

>>10257482
how hard can it be to bring them in under tarps?

[Anonymous No.10257491]

>>10257486
Hot-swappable engine bell?

[Anonymous No.10257493]

So:
-this means that whatever tanks are inside the silo part are already installed, since there is now no way to get large things into it
-this also means that, unless the dome is more than an aerodynamic shell, they’re basically done with the major construction of the hopper

[Anonymous No.10257494]

>>10257493
the top is still open and they have a fuckton of cranes just lying around

[Anonymous No.10257495]

>>10257450
just when you think nothing can surprise you anymore.. are those real Raptors?

[Anonymous No.10257497]

>>10257450
at this rate they are going to fire the thing up before the end of the year.. still couple hours to go

[Anonymous No.10257499]

>>10257495
If they were for fit checks, you’d only bother building one and then fitting it three times.
99% sure they’re real.

[Anonymous No.10257504]

>>10257487
This does seem like the sort of construction project where the first one takes much longer to build than the second+ ones, since the workers now know what works and how to stage equipment and how long certain things take etc etc.
wouldn’t be surprised if they pump these things out in large quantity and run them hard in the testing regimes.

[Anonymous No.10257505]

FYI JPL is holding a LIVE mission briefing for tomorrow's flyby:

https://youtu.be/FVavgqSo5wg

[Anonymous No.10257506]

>>10257485
>Now we know why NROL-71 has such a weird inclination for a spy satellite...

[Anonymous No.10257508]

>>10257450
Is it supposed to be only 3 for hopper?

[Anonymous No.10257509]

>>10257505
Don’t forget about Bennu! they’re going to achieve orbit with OSIRIS-Rex

[Anonymous No.10257510]

>>10257508
>Is it supposed to be only 3 for hopper?
Yes

[Anonymous No.10257512]

>>10257508
Correct, three in a straight line. This allows for testing a variety of scenerios, like engine-outs and max gimbal requests from the flight computer.

[Anonymous No.10257513]

>>10257508
yeah, they're only going to use 3 for the retropropulsion landing on the real deal anyway

[Anonymous No.10257530]

they're offset

[Anonymous No.10257534]

>>10257450
HERE WE GO BOYS

[Anonymous No.10257547]

>>10257530
which three is it? blue or red?

[Anonymous No.10257548]

>>10257491
>Hot-swappable engine bell?
Stepped nozzle, it seems.

[Anonymous No.10257549]

>>10254652
based

[Anonymous No.10257551]

No cover... engines are fake

[Anonymous No.10257552]

>>10257547
None of those. It'll be any straight line drawn off of one of the landing legs.

[Anonymous No.10257554]

>>10257551
your mum is fake

[Anonymous No.10257555]

>>10257548
fancy

>>10257547
I think purple blue blue. it appears to be in line with the leg

[Anonymous No.10257558]

>>10257552
that's blue

[Anonymous No.10257562]

>>10257551
It may be tough to install engines with covers on

[Anonymous No.10257563]

>>10257551
no engine covers on mars entry, sonny. gotta test the resiliency of raptors to debris, dirt, and other dangers right now instead of on MDL. This hopper is perfect for that.

[Anonymous No.10257567]

>>10257551
Have any of the rockets at McGregor ever had covers?

[Anonymous No.10257568]

>>10257551
engine covers are a boomer thing, this is a zoomer rocket

[Anonymous No.10257577]

>no fun allowed meme.tiff

[Anonymous No.10257582]

>>10257577
WHOOP WHOOP WHOOOP

[Anonymous No.10257584]

YAY!

[Anonymous No.10257586]

>>10257563
pls, all the hard work all around,
even plastic bag over it

[Anonymous No.10257587]

>>10257577
Reminded me why forums are gay, thanks.

[Anonymous No.10257588]

>>10257341
He said that for Starship, this is a hopper test vehicle.

[Anonymous No.10257589]

>>10257586
could be a plug on the inside, which would work just as well.

[Anonymous No.10257591]

>>10257587
turns out it's harder to justify shitposting when the posts hang around forever

[Anonymous No.10257593]

Musk is active on twitter right now.. nothing about the engines tough

[Anonymous No.10257594]

>>10257577
>STOP GIVING US AD REVENUE

[Anonymous No.10257597]

what did he mean by this

[Anonymous No.10257601]

>>10257577
WHOOP WHOOP
pull over, that rocket too fat

[Anonymous No.10257602]

>>10257597
maybe related to Tesla tax credit ending..

[Anonymous No.10257606]

>>10257597
elaborate water tower/tourist attraction confirmed

[Anonymous No.10257607]

>>10257450
wat

[Anonymous No.10257608]

>>10257597
he meant "My favourite song is the national anthem of East Timor"

[Anonymous No.10257609]

they'd better slap a machinery nameplate on it like pic related. would really fill out the aesthetic

[Anonymous No.10257610]

>SpaceX livestream notification for tonight

[Anonymous No.10257612]

>>10257610
sauce?

[Anonymous No.10257616]

>>10257610
damnnit you made me look

[Anonymous No.10257626]

https://www.bloombergquint.com/tech/elon-musk-critical-skiing-accident
Oh my gosh

[Anonymous No.10257628]

>>10257626
>Currently Tweeting
>Suddenly skiing accident

[Anonymous No.10257631]

>>10257628
Don't tweet and ski guys, lesson for us all.

[Anonymous No.10257634]

wtf guys an elon just flew over my house

BFRs in 30 minutes CONFIRMED

[Anonymous No.10257638]

>>10257634
Well all you do have to do is see when N628TS leaves for Texas.

[Anonymous No.10257642]

SpaceX Livestream starting in 2 hours
https://youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ

[Anonymous No.10257645]

>>10257642
Based.

[Anonymous No.10257646]

>>10257642
>Link preview revealed
>Click anyway because it's been a while hearing the catchy song

[Anonymous No.10257650]

>>10257642
redpilled

[Anonymous No.10257658]

what's left to do?
- attach the top dome
- probably some internal plumbing and electrical systems work
- finish polishing the exterior
- build a small concrete launchpad 1.5 miles down the road
- set up the range safety, tracking, refueling, and hopper transportation equipment

[Anonymous No.10257668]

>>10257646
same

[Anonymous No.10257669]

>>10257658
There are still terabytes of calculations required before an actual flight is...

[Anonymous No.10257672]

>>10257658
no infrastructure on Mars, just throw it in a field and let it burn
>>10257669
bytes is not a measurement of calculations

[Anonymous No.10257673]

>>10257672
the FAA might not like that

[Anonymous No.10257677]

>>10257672
Etaflops.

[Anonymous No.10257680]

>>10257677
flop deez nuts

[Anonymous No.10257685]

>>10257677
>>10257669
considering they already have a mostly-complete test hopper, I'm inclined to believe that their software is also quite close to being ready, if not ready already.
One would imagine that they ran hop sims when they made the switch to stainless steel before the order was given to being construction

[Anonymous No.10257686]

>>10257673
>the FAA might not like that

What are they going to do? Not approve Elon's Earth imaging permissions?

[Anonymous No.10257688]

>>10257686
I guess you're right. the first hops will be a handful of meters... Just throw it in a field and light it up.

[Anonymous No.10257690]

Where's the fuel line thing that wraps around the nozzle?
Merlins have it, F1's have it.

I got one gif here taken from some presentation showing raptor firing but its not visible in it as the test stand obscures almost half the nozzle.

[Anonymous No.10257699]

>>10257672
>no infrastructure on Mars, just throw it in a field and let it burn
that's what i was thinking. perhaps they'll just clear the build site and let her go.

>>10257669
yeah and you need to invent a viable nuclear thermal propulsion system to get to mars and humans can't go through the van allen belts and durrrrrrrrrrrr

>>10257690
it's up higher than you can see

[Anonymous No.10257705]

from NSF, where'd the skirt go?

[Anonymous No.10257709]

Some POS "rocket" being built out in a field somehere
>gonna take us to mars
This is /x/-tier. Literally just a badly welded steel tube with some fake engines underneath.

[Anonymous No.10257711]

>>10257705
Looks like it was only needed for construction on the stand.

[Anonymous No.10257712]

>>10257709
t. Lockheed Martin

[Anonymous No.10257713]

>>10257709
>This is /x/-tier. Literally just a badly welded steel tube with some fake engines underneath.
stopped reading there

[Anonymous No.10257714]

Boeing intern anon we'd like your comment on this if you are here.

[Anonymous No.10257715]

>>10257568
zoomers are the most powerful generation

[Anonymous No.10257716]

>>10257711
engines could have (probably have) been there all along. we're only seeing them now

[Anonymous No.10257727]

>>10257715
this would be a millenial operation, wouldn't it? Zoomers are all still in school

[Anonymous No.10257729]

New Horizons Q&A sessions about to start LIVE:

https://youtu.be/FVavgqSo5wg

[Anonymous No.10257735]

7th thread seems to be in order

[Anonymous No.10257738]

>>10257705
>>10257486
>>10257450
I'm not so sure they've actually installed engines. looks like it is just the nozzles

[Anonymous No.10257743]

>>10257729
why is the woman(?) asking the questions so intolerable?

[Anonymous No.10257746]

>>10257735
Make this pic related bro

[Anonymous No.10257748]

>>10257743
Looks like a team PR person reading online questions.

Science teams need to assign tasks to women for "diversity" so this is was the result.

[Anonymous No.10257749]

>>10257457
Anon the SLS will fly. It's just a rocket to nowhere. Can you imagine waiting 15 years for the development of a lunar lander?

[Anonymous No.10257755]

>>10257738
Oh my G-d you're right. Space Ecks is a scam. Elon MUSK is a scammer. Arrest this man.

[Anonymous No.10257758]

>>10257713
>giving yourself a (You)

[Anonymous No.10257765]

>>10257755
>?
I'm just speculating, which I'm pretty sure is the point of this thread. I'm sure they'll put the engines on soon if they haven't, no need to get defensive.

[Anonymous No.10257766]

>>10257727
it's not just a generation it's also a way of thinking

[Anonymous No.10257771]

THERE'S SOMETHING COOL ON L2
SOMEONE LEAK IT

[Anonymous No.10257777]

>>10257771
big if true

[Anonymous No.10257780]

>>10257777
DOWN WITH PAYMENT-LOCKED INFORMATION! TANSTAFFL! KILL WHITEY!
GIB L2 PHOTOS!

[Anonymous No.10257781]

>hundreds of faggots with gay ass passes, XXXXL dragon dildos, and zoomer gaymer led infested rigs
>not a single L2 pass
4chan 2019

[Anonymous No.10257790]

>>10257781
I ain’t paying for that shit nigga

[Anonymous No.10257797]

>>10257781
RGB gaymer rigs is not a zoomer phenomenon, faggots throughout history have made their fag boxes light the heckin up

[Anonymous No.10257864]

Ongoing launch pad work...

[Anonymous No.10257866]

>>10257450
>>10257462
>Musk says fuck it
>Gets crew to build new rocket ship in some Texas backyard with scrap metal
>shills piss and moan
>ship is built and launches from the scrap yard
>gets to the moon on a goof
>SpaceX off day shenanigans
>James Web telescope explodes on tarmac
I like this timeline

[Anonymous No.10257867]

>>10257864
>No one gets New Years Day off until my rocket is ready to fly.

[Anonymous No.10257880]

if only it had the Titian bwoop startup sound

[Anonymous No.10257891]

>>10257864
if the launchpad is as rudimentary as the hopper, then they should be able to pound it out in an afternoon with a couple graders and some bags of quikrete

[Anonymous No.10257918]

New thread when?

[Anonymous No.10257943]

>>10257918
next year
this thread won't die for another 8 hours or so yet

[Anonymous No.10257973]

>>10257918
need a new batch of photos first

[Anonymous No.10257976]

>>10257866
One xan only hope.
>james webb explodes
>sls explodes on maiden flight

[Anonymous No.10257983]

>>10257976
jwst deserves to fly. But SLS kaboom would be funny. Not funny though, would be losing astronauts. After all they want to make the first flight an operational manned mission

[Anonymous No.10258039]

Happy New Year fellow autists

t. europoor

[Anonymous No.10258045]

>>10257973
I think starting thread with engines is good enough.

[Anonymous No.10258060]

>>10258045
we have many hours to make thread

[Anonymous No.10258082]

>>10252814
Get a life, loser.

[Anonymous No.10258087]

>>10258082
you’re a bit late to stamp out this fire laddo

[Anonymous No.10258120]

>>10258087
The fire rises, brother

[Anonymous No.10258135]

>>10258039
Happy new year fellow Yuropoor

2018 was good for spaceflight, 2019 will be even better!

[Anonymous No.10258281]

>>10257777
based quads confirm

[Anonymous No.10258282]

>>10257976
>SLS explodes and takes JWST with it, after congress decided to save money by moving JWST onto SLS maiden flight which is sure to be safe because it uses 'proven hardware'

[Anonymous No.10258286]

What is Elon really going to do with this "hopper"?

[Anonymous No.10258333]

>>10258286
something something Thai boipussy something something

[Anonymous No.10258346]

Double bell nozzle, has this ever been used before?

[Anonymous No.10258375]

>>10258282
>SLS
>save money

[Anonymous No.10258384]

New thread
>>10258252
>>10258252