Is saying a trans woman IS a woman a dangerous precedent that society should avoid? Are people who use he/him pronouns for trans women assholes or just people that refuse to enable someones delusions?

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Anonymous Sat Dec 29 18:21:17 2018 No.10252658 [Reply] [Original]

Is saying a trans woman IS a woman a dangerous precedent that society should avoid?

Are people who use he/him pronouns for trans women assholes or just people that refuse to enable someones delusions?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 18:27:56 2018 No.10252671 >>10252658 >a dangerous precedent ...for what? What do you fear it will lead to?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 18:32:57 2018 No.10252683 >>10252671 Its a slippery slope. Factually speaking trans women are not women and yet people are trying to make laws saying we have to say trans women are women

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 18:47:49 2018 No.10252721 >>10252658 >Is saying a trans woman IS a woman a dangerous precedent that society should avoid? Yes, it has already led to trans-child, which is probably worse than most literal child abuse

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 18:51:13 2018 No.10252732 >>10252683 >Its a slippery slope. What's at the bottom of this slope you are so afraid of.

Anonymous Sat Dec 29 18:53:18 2018 No.10252737

>>10252658
YES. I asked questions like this and the way I was treated is fucking horrible.

They basically all clammed up and passive-aggressively ridiculed me for being white, straight, and male, as if that has anything to do with my basic questions about being forced to pretend someone is the opposite of their biology.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 19:00:13 2018 No.10252753 >>10252732 We won't know till we get there Why is saying that a trans women IS a women so important to you?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 19:02:58 2018 No.10252762 File: 9 KB, 259x206, 1545945612595.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10252732 state-enforced transsexuality

Anonymous Sat Dec 29 19:05:08 2018 No.10252766

I personally think it is very dangerous.

Not that I care about the trans community at all. But if we start accepting the bending of facts to satisfy feelings it could result in future scientific results being censored and facts being twisted to suit political/religion/company interests.

I feel like we should make a solid division between daily life stuff and scientific stuff to avoid this "yeah she's a woman socially but not scientifically"

It's very important that we do this not because of the trans community or anything irrelevant like that but to avoid ending up in a world where "war is peace" "slavery is freedom" type of fact twisting is the norm.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 19:07:53 2018 No.10252769 >>10252658 Not science or math >>>/pol/gbt

Anonymous Sat Dec 29 19:08:06 2018 No.10252771

>>10252753
>We won't know till we get there
So why are you afraid.
>>10252753
>Why is saying that a trans women IS a women so important to you?
Why is it so important to you, I call people whatever they want me to call them.

>>10252762
They will make anime real.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 19:08:58 2018 No.10252775 >>10252769 >saying a trans women is not a women means you are a /pol/tard Also this is more science related than 40% of the threads here you retard

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 19:10:00 2018 No.10252780 >>10252671 >>10252732 >>10252769 >>10252771 Butthurt trannies and chasers

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 19:11:06 2018 No.10252784 >>10252771 I am not afraid I just don't think society should be saying a trans women is a women when they are factually men >I call people whatever they want me to call them. You are enabling their delusions and that is morally wrong

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 19:11:46 2018 No.10252788 >>10252775 I never called you a poltard. I merely directed you to the proper board.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 19:12:52 2018 No.10252792 >>10252788 How is asking if a tranny is a man something that belongs on /pol/?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 19:14:26 2018 No.10252797 >>10252784 >morally wrong If it is morally wrong then there must be some sort of negative outcome. What do we loose, what do you loose, what do I loose when we just say words to people?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 19:14:53 2018 No.10252798 >>10252792 That's not what you asked. You asked if society should recognize trans as women. Clearly you're expecting a discussion which is political in nature.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 19:15:06 2018 No.10252799 >>10252658 I predict that in the future 'he' and 'she' will be phased out for 'they' and man and woman will be phased out for 'person' it will be too "problematic" to use gender based pronouns because it hurts the feelings of a select few.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 19:16:22 2018 No.10252804 >>10252798 Scientifically speaking a trans women is a man therefore he should be refereed to as one >>10252797 >I am having a conversation with the sun! >You sure are anon! It is morally wrong to enable someones delusions

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 19:17:16 2018 No.10252805 >>10252804 >I am having a conversation with the sun! >You sure are anon! I don't see a problem with this.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 19:18:51 2018 No.10252813 >>10252805 >I am a woman and lesbians are attracted to women therefore you are a bigot if you (lesbian) don't date me Much progressive!

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 19:19:01 2018 No.10252815 >>10252804 >a trans women is a man therefore he should be refereed to as one Ok now you can go to >>>/pol/

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 19:19:47 2018 No.10252817 >>10252805 You sure don't!

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 19:20:00 2018 No.10252818 >>10252797 >If it is morally wrong then there must be some sort of negative outcome. False Morality is not defined a posteriori based on outcome. The moral duty to do or not do something has literally nothing to do with it's outcome.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 19:20:04 2018 No.10252819 >>10252815 Whats wrong with that statement? Biologically speaking a trans women is a man. Please point out the flaw in that sentence.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 19:20:13 2018 No.10252820 >>10252813 >I'm a straw man and you are a tautological paladin if you don't burn me.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 19:21:19 2018 No.10252825 >>10252818 Where does moral duty come from?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 19:22:15 2018 No.10252828 >>10252820 Its actually a hot topic right now in the LGBT community. Lesbians that refuse to date trans women are getting hated on left and right from people who think a trans women is a women

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 19:23:15 2018 No.10252831 >>10252819 You're really dense aren't you. I don't care whether that statement is true or not. I'm saying you should go to >>>/pol/ because the topic is political.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 19:23:43 2018 No.10252833 >>10252828 Who you are physically or emotionally attracted to is your own business.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 19:23:44 2018 No.10252834 >>10252815 But a trans women is technically a man. Science is not bigoted

Anonymous Sat Dec 29 19:24:54 2018 No.10252838

>>10252833
Yes of course. Trannies are trying to say otherwise and say that if lesbians or gays don't date mtfs or ftms they are bigoted transphobes.

Also there are people that think people should lose their jobs or go to jail for not using a trannies preferred pronouns.

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>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 19:27:59 2018 No.10252847 >>10252658 What's the deal with the spike in tranny hate lately? Is it seriously just because orange man said they're guys that one time in October (and promptly forgot about the whole thing afterwards)?

Anonymous Sat Dec 29 19:28:01 2018 No.10252848

>>10252815
Until you find a way to change every single cell in your body from XY to XX, you will continue to be a man.
>"w-well you didn't test me so how could you know?"
There is no a single record of a tranny accomplishing this task, whether intentionally or unintentionally. Hormone therapy will result in different development of sex organs and surgery will result in provide an aesthetic changes, but neither of these things alter your genetic code. Judging from this, it is statistically more likely that the assessment is correct.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 19:28:27 2018 No.10252850 >>10252825 The platonic realm No I'm not joking, and neither am I wrong It's also kind of irrelevant. Where it comes from or why it's moral has nothing to do with if you have to follow it. If its moral to kill yourself, you MUST kill yourself.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 19:30:11 2018 No.10252857 >>10252838 Plenty of people get fired for not being polite enough to customers. Also citation needed for the jail comment.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 19:30:27 2018 No.10252859 >>10252847 >saying that a trans women is a man is hateful How?

Anonymous Sat Dec 29 19:31:39 2018 No.10252864

>>10252857
Canada just passed a law saying you have to use a trannies preferred pronouns

>Plenty of people get fired for not being polite enough to customers.
I agree with this, however telling your coworker they are a man or using he/him pronouns is not impolite, it is just accepting biological realities.

Anonymous Sat Dec 29 19:33:30 2018 No.10252870

>>10252850
>The platonic realm
You are a moron.
>No I'm not joking, and neither am I wrong
Wait I take that back, you are a fucking moron.
>It's also kind of irrelevant.
Ok...
>Where it comes from or why it's moral has nothing to do with if you have to follow it. If its moral to kill yourself, you MUST kill yourself.
Then you should kill yourself.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 19:34:21 2018 No.10252872 >>10252870 if you dont understand that the platonic realm is objectively real, you are not intelligent.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 19:34:39 2018 No.10252874 >>10252847 What in this thread that has been said is hateful? No one has wished in pain or suffering on trannies. We are merely saying that a trans woman is a man, which is a biological fact. Are facts offensive now?

Anonymous Sat Dec 29 19:39:15 2018 No.10252889

>>10252864
>Canada just passed a law
I am just going to assume here you don't understand how any laws work especially this particular Canadian law.
>however telling your coworker they are a man
How often do you remind your coworkers of their gender why does this come up?

>>10252872
Where is it located?

Anonymous Sat Dec 29 19:39:31 2018 No.10252891

>>10252658
It is clear we need to normalize the use of "it" as a valid pronoun.
We already use it in some cases, but usually when we use "he" or "she" it is replacing a proper noun (a name) where we don't usually use "it" because our society has functioned on there being two genders for so long.
Now that people are forcing the idea of there not being only two genders, we need to normalize the usage of "it" so that people won't be offended if we pick the wrong pronoun.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 19:44:05 2018 No.10252906 >>10252889 >where irrelevant and illogical question to ask about a non-spatiotemporal realm

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 19:45:43 2018 No.10252910 >>10252889 >hey can you pass me my water bottle? Its right next to the guy overthere HEY THAT "GUY" IS A WOMAN >no that guy is a trans women and trans women are men WOW YOU ARE A BIGOT YOU ARE FIRED

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 19:49:25 2018 No.10252916 >>10252859 Have you ever even MET one, or do you just sit around thinking to yourself, "Boy if I ever see one of them I'm going to make sure to call them 'sir' so they know they're a man!"

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 19:50:00 2018 No.10252918 >>10252906 >non-spatiotemporal realm So it isn't real, thanks. >>10252910 My old boss used to call the ketchup mustard salt and pepper "those guys" nobody really gives a fuck and you won't be fired for being a bigot.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 19:50:09 2018 No.10252921 >>10252916 I have. How is that relevant tho?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 19:51:01 2018 No.10252922 >>10252683 Factually speaking, trans women are women because gender isn’t biological. Delete your thread now.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 19:51:10 2018 No.10252923 >>10252921 Are you in jail now?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 19:51:11 2018 No.10252924 >>10252918 Plenty of people get fired for calling a trans women a man and using he/him pronouns

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 19:52:12 2018 No.10252929 >>10252922 Gender isn't real. A trans woman is a man A trans man is a woman The difference between gender and sex was only created to appease the feelings of trannies.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 19:52:13 2018 No.10252930 >>10252924 [citation needed]

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 19:52:14 2018 No.10252931 >>10252922 Gender isn't real

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 19:53:23 2018 No.10252934 >>10252923 He was not a coworker, he was a guy I played magic with at FNM at my local cardshop

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 19:54:00 2018 No.10252935 >>10252934 How many times did you remind her of his gender?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 19:55:40 2018 No.10252938 >>10252918 >So it isn't real, thanks. Retard detected There is an uncountably infinite set of things that are real that are non-spatiotemporal

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 19:56:51 2018 No.10252941 >>10252938 Name 10

Anonymous Sat Dec 29 19:59:26 2018 No.10252950

>>10252935
Only when I needed to refer to him
I wouldn't go out of my way to call him a man, but if I needed to refer to him "My last round was against him" or "hey can you pass me my cardbox? its right now to him"

I explained to him why I was doing it, and while upset he took it rather well, I was impressed by his candidness

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 19:59:46 2018 No.10252952 File: 323 KB, 1080x1920, F592C406-BFED-4A0E-B92E-1575ED680318.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10252683 So? Is it so hard for you Christians to grant some one else a little courtesy, some dignity? WWJD?

Anonymous Sat Dec 29 20:01:02 2018 No.10252954

>>10252952
I am not a christian.
I am not even a straight guy I am a gay guy.

I call a trans woman a man because factually speaking they are one. This has nothing to do with courtesy. I am not going to lie about a biological reality to appease a person's feelings. Futhermore I am not going to enable someone's delusions

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 20:01:11 2018 No.10252955 >>10252850 >neither am I wrong >moral absolutism that implies you can be objectively correct

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 20:02:03 2018 No.10252961 >>10252952 >people who understand biology are christians

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 20:02:40 2018 No.10252964 >>10252762 Are you such a pussy that cannot resist the state and simply live your life? Why are you so weak? Are you not white? You red pilled people should learn to pick your battles better. You worry about stupid crap and miss the boat.

Anonymous Sat Dec 29 20:04:12 2018 No.10252969

>>10252954
>factually speaking
factually speaking you're a fucking retard because you're not capable of understanding the separation between gender and sex which historically been what the trans community has been pushing to explain and yet we're still stuck here with you fucks who haven't been even listening to their arguments and made up your mind before you ever met a trans person

I now know why you retards keep responding to these bait threads every time a new one goes up, you're literally incapable of understanding the very framework of the argument

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 20:04:14 2018 No.10252970 File: 35 KB, 560x346, D4B8719C-9D69-4920-8FB0-FF434E407422.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10252784 Why can't they be a pointer to a pointer? Why is it your business citizen?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 20:05:12 2018 No.10252972 >>10252969 Gender and sex was only created to appease the feelings of trans people. Gender = sex A trans woman is a man. Period end of story.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 20:05:52 2018 No.10252975 >>10252784 woman != female genius literally the definition of being transgender is experiencing the disphoria that comes from mentally feeling like you're in the wrong body

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 20:06:14 2018 No.10252979 >>10252969 >lets just make up new terms and pull them out of my ass!

Anonymous Sat Dec 29 20:06:23 2018 No.10252981

>>10252941
The set of all true statements immediately gives you an infinite amount.
The set of all true but unprovable statements is another infinite set
Every single real number is another one
The set of the laws of physics as encoded as a consistent but finite axiomatic system is another
I don't want to continue because I'm bored of your brainletism.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 20:06:37 2018 No.10252984 >>10252954 Ok then you won't mind if I choose to call you a niggerchink because that is my free speech right. Factually you are a faggot too.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 20:07:01 2018 No.10252985 >>10252952 >WWJD? Probably tell them to repent from their sins and live for him. Mutilating their bodies being one of their sins.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 20:07:15 2018 No.10252987 >>10252975 Having dysphoria does not make a male a female A woman is a female A man is a male Yes it sucks that some (1-2%) of the population have dysphoria but that does not change the biological reality of an animal

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 20:07:24 2018 No.10252989 > >10252797 An anorexic self identifies as a fat person. Is it morally acceptable to go along with that delusion and tell her/him/it/xer to lay off the cheeseburgers and lose some weight?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 20:07:24 2018 No.10252991 >>10252972 okay retard, then explain why the neurological patterns of trans people look more akin to the other gender then their own. The entire point is they're mentally not matching the physical state of their body

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 20:08:24 2018 No.10252994 >>10252984 There is no biological basis to calling a black person a nigger. But if you want to go ahead. Free speech. There IS a biological basis to calling a trans woman a man, since biologically a trans woman is a man

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 20:08:33 2018 No.10252995 >>10252972 And Lysenko was a genius. You sir are retarded. To the dust heap with you.

Anonymous Sat Dec 29 20:08:53 2018 No.10252997

>>10252924
We have a transgender employee at my office who doesn't pass, but they dress professionally and don't make a fuss about using the men's room so everybody leaves them be. I'm pretty sure if someone got a bug up their butt and started screaming "HE'S A MAN! HE'S A MAN!" HR would rightly identify them as the problem employee. So i don't really see the issue here.

And of course if you're a service employee then you need to keep your redpills about trans, gay, black, onions-consuming or whatever other kind of customers to yourselves when you're on the clock.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 20:09:08 2018 No.10252999 >>10252989 wrong argument because the anorexia issue is an explicit health risk, whereas the most effective treatment for dysphoria consists of reassignment surgery

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 20:09:08 2018 No.10253000 >>10252981 So what you are saying is that you can't name 10, thanks.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 20:09:26 2018 No.10253001 >>10252991 Show me a brain scan of a tranny that has not undergone HRT and tell me their brain matches that of their preferred sex. Regardless, a trans woman has XY chromosomes, and has or had a penis. A trans woman is a biological male

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 20:10:27 2018 No.10253005 >>10252991 >they're mentally not matching the physical state of the body. Yes, and scizo's are not really talking to the sun. Whats your point? The mind does not dictate reality you retard

Anonymous Sat Dec 29 20:11:59 2018 No.10253007

I think of them similarly to the crazy schizo hobo on the street.
Am I going to go out my way to berate him? No
Am I going to want to personally associate with him? Fuck no

I'm sympathetic that these problems but I shouldn't have to be complicit in it.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 20:12:55 2018 No.10253008 >>10252999 Reassignment surgery does not include forcing the public to go along with their delusions

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 20:12:58 2018 No.10253009 >>10253005 >The mind does not dictate reality you retard How do you know you aren't talking to your own subconscious right now?

Anonymous Sat Dec 29 20:12:58 2018 No.10253010
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>>10252985

Jesus mutilated his body for a reason. I do not think he would bitch about gender dysphoria since he wore dresses and hung around pussies like Peter.

I know you Bible dummy. Love your neighbor dude.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 20:14:02 2018 No.10253013 >>10252994 Just a symbol. How you treat someone counts more.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 20:14:21 2018 No.10253014 >>10253008 >forcing the public >He made me say a word I didn't wan to say waahhh wahhh i want my blankie.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 20:15:15 2018 No.10253015 >>10252658 Yes they are assholes, but trannies are also dellusional. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=el7uxV9rgx0

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 20:15:34 2018 No.10253017 >>10253014 It is wrong to berate someone who rufuses to call a man a woman It is wrong to enable someones delusions. Before I continue, let me ask you, are you a tranny? Since I detect a huge amount of bias here.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 20:15:56 2018 No.10253019 >>10252732 Newspeak, or a state-mandated dictionary of what is and is not acceptable to say in public, and by extension think privately, which aligns with an established agenda rather than the world as it really is

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 20:16:35 2018 No.10253021 >>10253013 Objective facts > the feelings of an indivual

Anonymous Sat Dec 29 20:16:37 2018 No.10253023

>>10253005
the point is their brain patterns don't look like a fucking schizophrenic's, they simply look like that of the mind of someone born of the other sex.

Your grognard ass probably doesn't realise this, but a person's identity is contained in their brain, not in their genitals

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 20:16:37 2018 No.10253024 >>10253001 Look up Klinefelter. We will wait ...

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 20:17:27 2018 No.10253027 >>10252658 >Are people who use he/him pronouns for trans women assholes or just people that refuse to enable someones delusions? Yes it's an asshole thing to do, but trannies are also delusional. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFBOQzSk14c

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 20:18:35 2018 No.10253031 >>10253024 >we fuck off shitter i'm only here because I hate /pol/tards who don't understand what they're arguing against

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 20:19:06 2018 No.10253034 >>10253024 Trans people are not born with an intersex disorder you fucking retard.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 20:19:37 2018 No.10253036 >>10253017 >It is wrong to berate someone Well, sure, and wouldn't it be a nice world if everyone was just polite to everyone else?

Anonymous Sat Dec 29 20:19:48 2018 No.10253038

>>10252658
Yes it is. a friend I have works at a woman's prison (Canadian), if a person claims to be female that is all that is necessary to be transferred from a male prison to a female one. Obviously having a history of HRT helps in proving this but anyone can technically do it and it is being abused by inmates. So if a trans woman is in a female prison they have to bathe, eat, shit, outdoors etc at different times than the rest of the population because a biological male has a higher chance at physically overpowering a female for rape or assault. So they cannot be treated the same as a biological female.

I'm sure there is some situations in hospitals when dealing with anesthetics if the patient is trans.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 20:21:47 2018 No.10253044 >>10253023 >a persons identity is contained in their mind A person's identity does not make the person. The biological reality of that person makes the person A trans woman is a man.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 20:22:24 2018 No.10253046 >>10253017 >Before I continue, let me ask you, are you a tranny? Since I detect a huge amount of bias here. Nope. Why does that matter to you?

Anonymous Sat Dec 29 20:23:07 2018 No.10253050

>>10253017
>enable delusions
but they're not delusions
by definition the mental condition of gender dysphoria is only effectively treatable by reassignment and it's the medically correct thing to do.
It is directly measurable that their mental state is atypical for their sex but match perfectly healthy mental patterns seen the other sex.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 20:23:08 2018 No.10253049 >>10253023 How is that relevant? A trans woman is biologically a male. They have XY chromosomes, they had or had a penis. Their body is that of a male. Their genetic code is that of a male. How does identifying as a female make one a female?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 20:24:09 2018 No.10253055 >>10253050 Even if SRS and HRT was a valid treatment for trannies ( it isn't since the suicide rate does not change after SRS or HRT) how does that mean that people should be forced to refer to a trans woman as a woman?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 20:26:00 2018 No.10253058 >>10253055 Suicide rate isn't the only measure of success.

Anonymous Sat Dec 29 20:27:21 2018 No.10253063

>>10253055
>suicide rate does not change
wrong
https://www.academia.edu/2236936/Trans_Mental_Health_Study_2012
Note this study examines transition in general though
>>10253058
Don't bother trying to explain that the dysphoria itself is a metric for mental health

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 20:29:16 2018 No.10253068 >>10253055 >>10253063 http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/134/4/696 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4977075/ Last one focuses on just HRT specifically btw

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 20:29:45 2018 No.10253070 >>10253063 Maybe if people like you were less shitty to trans people they would stop killing themselves.

Anonymous Sat Dec 29 20:30:33 2018 No.10253072

>>10253050
>by definition the mental condition of gender dysphoria is only effectively treatable by reassignment

Definition is a strange word to use. You're trying to conflate current practice with being a true complete solution.
Effective is also dubious given the long lasting mental health issues that persist persist even post op and that's outside the societal cost of the surgery which is increasingly not self funded.
Additionally the social acceptance has caused harms where children who have not hormonally developed are pushed into damaging HRT. Believe it or not being a tom boy is something that is grown out of for the most part.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 20:31:11 2018 No.10253077 >>10253070 The only other group of people in all of history that has a suicide rate as high as trannies is jews living in WW2 germany. Are you telling me modern day trannies living in the west are treated the same way as jews during the holocaust?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 20:32:20 2018 No.10253079 >>10253070 I'm on your side, dumbass

Anonymous Sat Dec 29 20:32:45 2018 No.10253082

u guys are all fucking retarded

there a clear instances of gender being different from sex in the animal kingdom. A common example are lizards. Males will adopt different strategies such as being a sneaky male, dominant male, etc. Same in salmon.

Sex != Gender

Anonymous Sat Dec 29 20:34:31 2018 No.10253084

>>10253082
>appealing to nature
you're almost worse than the /pol/tards, fuck off with this shit. Whether something is natural has no bearing on morality, I'm pretty sure it's not moral to eat your partner's head after sex just because a praying mantis does it.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 20:34:33 2018 No.10253085 >>10253082 >behavior traits in lizards is proof that sex is different from gender

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 20:35:32 2018 No.10253088 >>10253082 I'm glad the word gender is completely nebulous and devoid of meaning by ascribing random traits to it

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 20:36:47 2018 No.10253093 >>10253084 >Whether something is natural has no bearing on morality So where does morality come from? Where do you get your morals that tell you to be an asshole?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 20:37:37 2018 No.10253097 >>10253093 >saying that a natal male is male makes one an asshole

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 20:38:39 2018 No.10253102 >>10253093 A biological male is a man. A trans woman is a male homo sapien. Saying that a trans woman is not a woman does not make one an asshole

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 20:38:42 2018 No.10253104 >>10253084 >>10253085 >>10253088 lol

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 20:39:03 2018 No.10253105 >>10253097 Pretty much.

Anonymous Sat Dec 29 20:39:45 2018 No.10253109

>>10253072
>true complete solution
There is never such a thing medically, but there is an objectively most appropriate solution given our present understanding and lack of promising alternatives at the current time
You yourself are also trying to conflate every mental health issue a trans person suffers with their dysphoria when the dysphoria itself reduces quality of life and is very directly measurable as being reduced by transition, the degree of transition is really the only variable aspect as some individuals can relieve the effects of dysphoria by just HRT alone

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 20:40:35 2018 No.10253111 >>10253102 >Saying that a trans woman is not a woman does not make one an asshole But it does tho.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 20:40:49 2018 No.10253112 >>10253105 How? Explain your position

Anonymous Sat Dec 29 20:41:14 2018 No.10253114

>>10253093
>where does morality come from
I like to think of my morality deriving from "axioms" (shit like basic rights and whatnot) and going from there
I also don't think you realise I'm arguing that you don't even NEED something to be natural to be morally acceptable

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 20:41:51 2018 No.10253119 >>10253111 No it does not. A trans woman is a man. A man is not a woman. Facts >>> feelings

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 20:42:16 2018 No.10253120 >>10253112 Not them but the point is you're s

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 20:42:18 2018 No.10253121 >>10253112 You are saying words that hurt another person and provide no value to yourself in an act of malice. This is what an asshole does.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 20:43:17 2018 No.10253129 >>10253119 you're still arguing based on the fact that you assume gender and sex are the same thing

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 20:43:38 2018 No.10253132 >>10253000 He named multiple infinities of things. Are you retarded?

Anonymous Sat Dec 29 20:44:01 2018 No.10253134

I am not saying that a trans woman is a man in an act of malice.

I am saying a trans woman is a man because biologically they are one.

The fact that this hurts some peoples feelings doesn't change the objective truth of it.

You want people to distort reality to appease someones feelings and that is pure tyranny.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 20:45:02 2018 No.10253140 >>10253134 meant for >>10253121 >>10253129 But they are tho. The onus is on you to show that gender being different from sex is a real thing

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 20:45:34 2018 No.10253142 >>10253132 If I ask for him to name 10 presidents and he just replies with "The set of all people" that isn't a correct fucking answer now is it?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 20:47:00 2018 No.10253148 >>10253140 >The onus is on you to show that gender being different from sex is a real thing gay men and women exist

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 20:49:58 2018 No.10253155 >>10252981 lmfao kys

Anonymous Sat Dec 29 20:51:59 2018 No.10253160

>>10253140
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0022395610001585
trans people, before even undergoing HRT, have brain structures matching those of the gender they identify with rather than their birth sex.
This is a measurable, objective indication of the fact that gender and how people perceive their gender identity as being based on the brain and it's development and not the physical state of their genitals. This paired with the studies on neurological patters

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 20:53:16 2018 No.10253165 >>10253160 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2754583/?tool=pmcentrez another study on gray matter variation

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 20:59:46 2018 No.10253185 >/sci/ thread dies because /pol/tards can't argue against objective facts Sweet, sweet irony.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 21:05:32 2018 No.10253197 >>10253148 I am gay, I am still a male. A trans woman is still a male.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 21:06:34 2018 No.10253205 >>10253160 The brain is not a human. The brain is an organ in a humans body. A trans woman has the body of a male homosapien Ergo he is a male homosapien

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 21:07:34 2018 No.10253208 >>10253185 >a trans woman IS a woman Prove it

Anonymous Sat Dec 29 21:11:23 2018 No.10253218

>>10253205
>the brain is not a human
The brain is the only part of your body that can't be replaced and is the only mechanism through which an individual can exert their will. You can stick your consciousness in a fucking metal body and you'd still be you but if someone took out your brain you'd be nothing and nobody would ever consider you the same person.
There is literally nothing more important to who you are than your brain because it's the only part actually involved with your perception of reality and your ability to react to reality.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 21:11:39 2018 No.10253220 >>10253197 >I am gay, I am still a male. Says you, to others (((/pol/))) you aren't a male you are a faggot.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 21:12:07 2018 No.10253222 File: 45 KB, 364x634, 1544666275802.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] ITT: People that think this is a woman

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 21:13:25 2018 No.10253226 >>10253222 Only if they have medically diagnosable dysphoria

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 21:13:42 2018 No.10253227 File: 46 KB, 558x842, 1545070334017.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] ITT: People that think is is a woman

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 21:14:09 2018 No.10253228 >>10253222 Looks like a magical cat to me sempai.

Anonymous Sat Dec 29 21:15:16 2018 No.10253231

>>10253226
Thats a known tripfag known as YANDERE-TRAN on /lgbt/
He is a trans woman.

>medically diagnosable dysphoria
define woman
"wom·an
/ˈwo͝omən/Submit
noun
an adult human female.
synonyms: lady, girl, female; More"

I don't see the word dysphoria in that definition of a woman

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 21:15:42 2018 No.10253232 >>10253034 The poster posited that chromosomes determine gender. They do not. Yiu fucking retarded elfpiss.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 21:17:22 2018 No.10253236 File: 84 KB, 720x967, 1544611577144.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] ITT: People that think this is a woman

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 21:17:38 2018 No.10253237 >>10253231 sorry that your shitter definitions prioritise genitals over the physical reality that is brain structure

Anonymous Sat Dec 29 21:18:01 2018 No.10253238

>>10253134
But this is so ridiculous, my guess is that when someone is talking about adding his tomato to his vegetable salad you won't sperg out about how a tomato is biologically a fruit right?

Clearly you have some agenda wanting to call a trans woman a man (assuming you ever met one) despite them wanting you to not call them like that.

This is not about science or facts, (why is this thread here?) this is purely about society's acceptance towards trans people.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 21:18:40 2018 No.10253240 >>10253231 Oh i get it you're self hating

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 21:19:44 2018 No.10253244 File: 2.26 MB, 1420x1568, Capture+_2018-12-29-21-19-20.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10253222 >>10253227 >>10253236 ITT: people who think that this is a woman

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 21:20:05 2018 No.10253245 >>10253232 Chromosomes determine sex. Gender isn't real. A trans woman is a biological male. Why are you getting this butthurt? Are you a trans woman?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 21:21:07 2018 No.10253249 >>10253244 her hips shoulders and jawline all show that she is a woman. I could take her blood and prove that she is a woman

Anonymous Sat Dec 29 21:21:23 2018 No.10253250

>>10252658

There's nothing wrong with saying someone's preferred gender but that being said it's always good to actually put in effort in trying to look like the opposite gender. There used to be mtf in my uni and you'd never be able to tell that she used to be a dude. It's just you got idiots in OP's pic that just ruin it for everyone else.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 21:21:37 2018 No.10253251 >>10253244 Years of research tell me that people that wear hats are male.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 21:22:07 2018 No.10253252 >>10253238 >humans are fruits and veges >>10253240 What makes you think this?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 21:22:35 2018 No.10253254 >>10253245 Now bear with me on this, but I think the idea is that they're a woman in spite of being biologically male because their genitals have less of a bearing on who they are than the very way they think and feel

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 21:23:29 2018 No.10253256 File: 455 KB, 1000x1118, 1544535722446.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] ITT: People that think this is a woman

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 21:23:36 2018 No.10253257 >>10253252 You browse /lgbt/ enough to be aware of tripfags, you're either self-hating or so obsessed with them that you literally save their pictures for shit like this thread

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 21:24:00 2018 No.10253259 >>10253252 Nice of you to miss my point. Why are you so adamant about "correcting" someone about his gender?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 21:24:31 2018 No.10253261 >>10253254 The way they think and feel does not determine the biological reality of what they are.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 21:25:32 2018 No.10253264 >>10253257 I browse LGBT since I am a gay male.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 21:27:53 2018 No.10253273 >>10253261 And yet there is the biological reality that their brains do not match the brains of their sex and rather match that of the opposite. Are you trying to imply your genitals are more important than your fucking brain?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 21:28:58 2018 No.10253277 >>10253264 >I am a gay male. We already established. >>10253220 You are a faggot not a gay male.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 21:30:09 2018 No.10253280 >>10253264 so is it self hating or too obsessed with hating trannies

Anonymous Sat Dec 29 21:32:11 2018 No.10253286

>>10253280
How is it self hating for a gay man to say that a trans woman is a man?

>>10253273
No I am trying to imply that the brain does not determine what a person is.

My male cat is not a male cat since he identifes as a male cat, he is a male cat since the biological reality of who he is is a male cat.

A male homosapien is a male homosapien regardless of whether or not he has dysphoria

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 21:33:10 2018 No.10253287 >>10253286 The brain does nothing. says the gay

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 21:34:23 2018 No.10253291 There is only one gender (human).

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 21:34:26 2018 No.10253292 >>10253287 I never said the brain does nothing. I said the brain is merely an organ of the body. We are not are brains.

Anonymous Sat Dec 29 21:34:49 2018 No.10253294

>>10253286
Your male cat is not capable of having a concept of gender to begin with so please kill yourself

You're also retarded for thinking that your brain doesn't determine who you are because it is the ONLY part of you that is integral to your consciousness

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 21:36:03 2018 No.10253297 >>10253294 Being intelligent enough to identify as a woman does not change the biological reality that a male homosapien is a male homosapien

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 21:37:27 2018 No.10253299 >>10253292 >We are not are brains. our and also >>>/x/

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 21:38:06 2018 No.10253301 File: 119 KB, 810x1080, 1544663442020.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] ITT: People that think this is a woman

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 21:39:26 2018 No.10253302 >>10253244 Look at her hips her shoulders and her jawline and tell me that is a male. Futhermore a simple blood test will show that she is a she

Anonymous Sat Dec 29 21:40:52 2018 No.10253306
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BOTH SIDES of this fucking thread are fucking retarded.

Trans women should be referred to as women and with she/her pronouns since its the polite thing to do, and there is no reason not to.

ALSO

A trans woman IS NOT a woman. A trans woman IS a male. That doesn't make it ok to misgender a trans person, but it also doesn't make it not true.

tl;dr: a trans woman is a man but when interacting with them, be a civil polite person

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 21:57:47 2018 No.10253333 Semantics threads go to >>>/his/

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 22:09:33 2018 No.10253357 >>10253306 This is also transphobic but not as transphobic as the /pol/tards in this thread. A trans woman IS a woman. Period end of story. Any discussion on this is transphobic

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 22:13:16 2018 No.10253364 >>10253357 Sounds like something a transphobe would say.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 22:30:20 2018 No.10253393 >>10253364 How so?

Anonymous Sat Dec 29 22:30:38 2018 No.10253394

>>10252658
ITT: /pol/ and /sci/ scored low on their language portions of their exams.

gender is man/woman
biological sex is male/female

these are not interchangeable terms. this causes a lot of issues in these sorts of debates because obviously you can't rewrite your biological development, but when you refer to someone as a man or a woman in conversation you're using the social term for their gender "he" or "she". trans women are women because there are no women. there are only males and females. transitioning is just a way to cope with the dysphoria they feel.

nothing will happen if you allow trans people to continue to exist.

Anonymous Sat Dec 29 22:35:32 2018 No.10253411

>>10253394
You can allow trans people to exist and still understand that a male homosapien is a male homosapien

Trannies account for 1% of the population. We don't need to redefine new terms just to appease their feelings.

If some people want to refer to a trans woman as a woman and use she/her pronouns good for them. People that do not are still in the right for using he/him pronouns for a natal male.

The feelings of a minority group is not an excuse to enforce tyranny and police the language of others.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 22:36:35 2018 No.10253415 >>10253394 These are women >>10253301 >>10253256 >>10253236 >>10253227 >>10253222 >>10252658

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 22:42:09 2018 No.10253420 >>10252950 was this person named Feline? Or Emma?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 22:44:59 2018 No.10253428 >>10253394 Fuck off faggot I tried to explain the distinction between gender and sex and they just quoted shitter dictionary definitions that don't apply to this field

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 22:46:01 2018 No.10253432 >>10253411 no, you're still wrong the same way that calling someone by the wrong name deliberately is wrong

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 22:47:50 2018 No.10253436 >>10253432 Thats not the same at all you fucking retard. Look at OPs pic and explain to me how anyone is in the wrong to use he/him pronouns.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 22:48:22 2018 No.10253437 >>10252658 REEEEEE kek

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 22:49:42 2018 No.10253440 >>10253436 You can blatantly tell they're trans from the way they're presenting themselves though, it's not hard to assume what they want to be referred to

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 22:50:22 2018 No.10253441 >>10253393 Seems like a discussion to me.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 22:51:01 2018 No.10253442 >>10253440 How they want to be referred to is irrelevant to what they are

Anonymous Sat Dec 29 22:51:12 2018 No.10253444

>>10253394
That distintion doesnt exist in most language you fucking faggot.
Gender and sex is the same shit, stop trying to overcomplicate things just so that you can feel special over nothing.

What worries me about this whole sjw phenomenon is the sheer amount of people that dont seem to get that the only things that make you special are your accomplishments (sometimes your origins if youre a prince or some shit) not random shit you brought up yourself.

Dying my hair pink and calling me whatever the fuck gender doesnt make me special or part of some sheltered group, it just make me into a teenage-angsty retard with mental health issues.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 22:53:07 2018 No.10253454 >>10253442 and now we're back to >>10253432 you stupid fuck, stop going around in a circle

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 22:57:42 2018 No.10253466 >>10253454 There is no basis to calling a man named Nick, Tom. there is a basis to calling a natal male a male and using he/him pronouns.

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>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 22:59:09 2018 No.10253470 >>10253466 Doesn't make you less of a dick though

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 22:59:38 2018 No.10253473 >>10253470 It does not make someone a dick to not enable someone else delusional self image

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 23:02:19 2018 No.10253479 >>10253473 it's not delusional though, it's literally been shown already they have a brain structure that matches the opposite sex

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 23:06:40 2018 No.10253488 >>10253479 Irrelevant. Their body is biologically male. The brain is an organ of the body

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 23:08:51 2018 No.10253497 >>10253488 but their brain is biologically female, not male, therefore their body isn't as male as you claim

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 23:09:48 2018 No.10253502 >>10253497 So if I put a prostate or a male liver in a female that makes them less female?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 23:12:16 2018 No.10253507 >>10253502 no because that wouldn't be their own body, smartass, you can't even remain consistent with your own shitty definitions

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 23:18:47 2018 No.10253514 >>10253507 A trans woman is a male. Stop raping science for the sake of appeasing feelings

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 23:23:00 2018 No.10253520 >>10253514 nobody said a trans woman isn't a male faggot they said she's not a man

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 23:23:27 2018 No.10253521 >>10253520 A male is a man

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 23:26:02 2018 No.10253526 >>10253521 and now we're at the root of an issue, you can't understand the fact that gender and sex are separate things, where the former refers to sociocultural norms, behaviours, etc and the latter refers to things like genetalia

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 23:26:42 2018 No.10253529 >>10253526 Prove that gender and sex are different

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 23:30:21 2018 No.10253534 >>10253529 You can't prove the definition of a word, dumbass, but since I know what you're asking, it's already been established that the way your brain functions can differ from what is typical for your sex

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 23:31:18 2018 No.10253535 >>10253534 So feminine gay men are women?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 23:34:02 2018 No.10253541 >>10253535 gay men have a different mental structure from cis and trans heterosexuals. Also FtM brains resemble male brains to a lesser degree than MtF brains resemble female ones

Anonymous Sat Dec 29 23:56:36 2018 No.10253565
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>>10253529
womanhood and manhood are social ideas.
female puberty and male puberty are biological processes. being feminine is generally considered a womanly thing in western culture. being feminine is not a phenomenon that comes from your body, it's not biological.

females are not born wearing pink and males are not born wearing blue. those are cultural social symbols of their gender.

>>10253411

>You can allow trans people to exist and still understand that a male homosapien is a male homosapien

never disagreed with this.

>Trannies account for 1% of the population. We don't need to redefine new terms just to appease their feelings.

you can do whatever you want, but being rude to minorities isn't really nice. it's also not redefinition if you understand the concept of gender. by calling a trans woman "she" you're not referring to them as a person who was born female. you're referring to her as a woman.

>People that do not are still in the right for using he/him pronouns for a natal male.

technically no this is wrong because you're going against the social script we have. you're referring to someone who is a woman as "he" because of your personal views about their sex. it's the same as calling a cis gendered man "her", you're missing out on a lot of social cues.

would you not refer to an adopted person's parents as their "parents" because it's not biological fact for that person? nobody is saying you can't do that, they're saying you shouldn't because it's a dick move.

>>10253444

drag has existed for a long time. gender and sex are different and always have been.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 30 00:07:19 2018 No.10253579 >>10252732 To be so distracted by made up irrelevant bullshit that you don't notice that the globalists have raped everything from you

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 30 00:09:55 2018 No.10253583 >>10253088 Agree, leftists can't win on logic or reason so say fuck it and go with pilpul

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 30 00:10:57 2018 No.10253586 >>10253583 you're the one who doesnt know what gender means, genius

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 30 00:11:36 2018 No.10253589 >>10253236 That's a man baby!

Anonymous Sun Dec 30 00:16:47 2018 No.10253591

>>10253586
You are angry because you are being forced to reconcile your religious views with reality and your religious views don't hold up. You define yourself in part by your leftist religious views. This causes cognitive dissonance, anger, rage, also colloquially know as butthurt. The truth really will set you free. It's not as scary as it sounds. There is nothing so damaging to the soul of man as cowardice. Hate me know, thank me later.

You are welcome.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 30 00:20:09 2018 No.10253595 >>10253591 Nice projection but whatever floats your boat i guess

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 30 00:20:44 2018 No.10253596 >>10253591 >hate me know

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 30 00:24:44 2018 No.10253604 >>10253579 >globalists >>>/pol/

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 30 00:27:35 2018 No.10253610 >>10253579 so people getting upset about trans people are literally the problem then since they're kicking up the fuss to distract everyone?

Anonymous Sun Dec 30 01:10:58 2018 No.10253710

>>10253010
>Jesus mutilated his body for a reason.
He didn't mutilate his body nor was it really "his" choice.
I don't think you know the Bible. I think you know bits and pieces, mostly lines spouted by dumb fucks who use them out of context to try and shame Christians into submission.

Anonymous Sun Dec 30 01:52:49 2018 No.10253785

>>10253244
>uses one cherrypicked photo
It's all angles, if you met that person in real life her shoulders would not be as broad as the picture makes it out to be, same thing with the "narrow waist". Also that person is flexing their forehead to imitate a brow ridge, plus the nipples are way too fucked up and the eyes are too feminine(for the majority of males). But I will admit it's easier for a ftm to pass than a mtf, I'm pretty good at spotting trannies and if I didn't look closer I would have believed that was a man just from the muscles, 99.9% of women cannot attain that level of fitness.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 30 02:17:29 2018 No.10253830 >>10252671 a 2 m tall testosterone fueled tranny rager who is accustomed to fucking other men and getting fucked in the ass?

Anonymous Sun Dec 30 04:10:57 2018 No.10253951

>>10253024
Klinefelter is XXY and it already has classification as male. Also trannies don't have XXY, at the very least 90% of them don't.
>"uhm but it has two X chromosomes and one Y chromosome...bet you don't know what to do now, checkmate atheists"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X-inactivation
Even with a hundred X and one Y, they are still XY due to X-inactivation. But in case you start trying to label every single chromosome abnormality on the planet, I'll do a couple in advance.

>XYY is still male
>XO is still female
>XXX is still female
>XXXX is still female
>XXXY is still male
>XXYY is still male
But hey, it's only doctors and medical researchers saying it ever since karyotyping has been invented, what the hell do these pencil-necks know about medicine. Oh right, and the trannies still don't have these.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 30 04:16:36 2018 No.10253954 >>10253951 >at the very least 90% of them don't Have to make a correction in case the tranny-apologists start interpreting this as an actual statistic rather than me saying that the number is very large: at least 99.99% don't have it

Anonymous Sun Dec 30 04:31:33 2018 No.10253957
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>>10252658
Yes. On one hand, it's denying material reality for emotional convenience. On the other, it's low key erasing transgenderism and doubling down on traditional gender roles.

Pronouns are a case by case issue. Some people who refuse /are/ just being assholes, but no one should be expected to take trans trenders or "different day, different gender" types seriously. If it's stable, genuine, and effortful; sure I'll use your choice of he/she but it fucking ends there.

t. tranny

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 30 04:55:44 2018 No.10253986 >>10253957 are you a qt?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 30 06:12:11 2018 No.10254067 This thread was moved to >>>/lgbt/11444767

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