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we would be talking about them as if they were on the same level as Newton and Einstein if not for racism

yet 4chan tards like to promote racism

>> No.10242226

>>10242221
Who are these people?

>> No.10242231

>>10242221
Calm down, Rosa. They were simple mathematicians not science revolutionizing geniuses.

>> No.10242275

>>10242226
it's quite an entertaining movie, and well made. you should watch it.
they were 3 of a large group of nasa employees, black women who calculated trajectories and other such mathematics for launches/design. these 3 women in particular were able to do more than just be "calculators" who found the trajectories and actually be part of the nasa design process. while their "achievements" are not groundbreaking, they still have quite interesting and meaningful stories considering the environment they were in.
>>10242231
yeah, but no one really knew that they were mathematicians at all. the movie isn't trying to say they were geniuses. they were just rather skilled compared to how they were perceived.

just to clarify for both of you, op's assertion that they are comparable to newton or einstein is bait. again, that's not the message of the movie. the movie is trying to say that they're comparable to any other apollo program nasa rocket scientist (which is still pretty damn good).

>> No.10242295

>>10242275
>some people managed to keep a level which some other people already had, but they look different so that makes them better

>> No.10242303

>same level as einstein and newton
>number cruncher at nasa
how many other number crunchers at nasa do you know?

>> No.10242311

>>10242295
>An achievement isn't an achievement if it's black

>> No.10242312

>>10242311
Interesting hypothesis, but unfortunately it has yet to be tested

>> No.10242325

>>10242221
Stop it, get some help. Blacks are not less than whites, we should not expect any less of them based on their skin color. There should exist a black who can match the achievements of Euler, but unfortunately because we lower standards for blacks that hypothetical black man will never come.

>> No.10242468

>>10242275
Not even just that they were skilled, but more that they were passionate about their work. It wasn't just about doing what you were told, but in having high motivation to see the work done through to the end, regardless of any complications. Like with gurl taking her work to the bathroom cuz she didn't want the time to be wasted.

I liked the part where the dude knocked down the bathroom sign. Ain't got no time for this political shit, gotta land on the moon. He'd rather ask for forgiveness than permission so he just does what he thinks he needs to do to succeed.

>> No.10242569

>>10242295
>they look different
the point is that they lived in a segregated society dumbass
it wouldn't be nearly as meaningful if it happened today

>> No.10242574

>>10242468
that scene was extremely based. looks political in isolation but in context it's purely out of a passion and determination for science

>> No.10242894

what a non-issue, seriously.

>> No.10242909

>>10242295
Are you intentionally missing the point or are you actually retarded

>> No.10242918

>>10242569
wow, it's almost like the racism wasn't so bad if they were capable of being successful scientists

>> No.10242926

>>10242909
drag ha sis

>> No.10242935

reminder that black people were happier and more successful under jim crow than they are now with tons of welfare

>> No.10243026

>>10242221
>we would be talking about them as if they were on the same level as Newton and Einstein
No.

>> No.10243046

Did they discover conic sections? We talk about Apollonius and Archimedes because that's what they did.

What about providing a space to consider the co-ordinates conic sections? Almost everyone knows Descartes and his accomplishments.

What about establishing a mechanical basis for motion based on those conic sections? Galileo, Newton, and Leibniz all did tremendous work.

Then there are others, like Copernicus and Kepler--and even a bunch of mudslimes like al-Farazi who did lots for astronomy. People talk about them, too.

And then we have Einstein, whose genius gave us the gedankenexperiment and relativity.

What do they all have in common?

Sure, you can say race, but that's hardly if at all a tenable claim. You have to look to an alternative for why these women are not "talked about as if they were on the same level." What could that alternative possibly be?

Here's my guess: They were working within systems that had already been established to perform their calculations. If they had paradigmatically innovated the system like the other thinks I listed have, then yes, they would be regarded on the same level. Because that is earth-shattering, unadulterated mathematical genius.

These women may be gifted mathematicians, original thinkers with an over-abundance of natural talent and diligently cultivated skill, but that does not place them on the same level as the geniuses that gave us conic sections, dynamics, helio-centrism, coordinate planes, infinitesimal calculus, mechanical physics, thought experiments, and relativity.

>> No.10243054

>>10243046
>Sure, you can say race
Sex probably plays a bigger role, js

>> No.10243069

>>10242574
Also extreme bullshit, as NASA never had segregated bathrooms.

>> No.10243125

>>10242221
Did these women even exist.
Sounds like some fraud to promote a narrative.

>> No.10243219

>>10243125
Yes they did, but rather than be known for their work in the west computing wing at NASA, they're known for "standing" out in their work.

>> No.10243285

>>10242221
This. If it weren't for racism, these women would be remembered alongside Sarah Nycott, Laura Tubman, John E Silbernagel, Kathie Sorenson, and all the other famous white NASA computers

>> No.10243291

so is this better or worse than the spike lee movie that slandered david duke who it is ok to slander because he has bad opinions

>> No.10243309

>>10243125
Two existed and worked as number-crunchers in the same complex that Von Braun worked in. They did not have any hand in anything directly related to space (the filmmaker's logic is that we can't know that they didn't have a hand in it) and did not work together (again, the filmmakers has stated that we can't be sure they didn't know each other).

The third one (the fat one on the right) is entirely fabricated.

>> No.10243453

>>10242221
Butthurt mongaloid detected.

>> No.10243469

>>10243309
well they need to have at least one fat black chick, to be fair

>> No.10243614

>>10242312
Fortunately it has been tested. Positive. For HIV and sickle cell anemia

>> No.10243623

>>10243614
this movie is fucken pozzed lol

>> No.10243888

>>10242275
You believe this? You know segregation was a thing during that time right? You know blacks were not allowed to go to college until the civil rights movement right? You telling me these women somehow became astrophysicists when they probably didn't even receive a high school education? This is erasing reality and making up a non existent fictional history.

>> No.10243900

>>10243888
>This is erasing reality and making up a non existent fictional history.
iswydt

>> No.10243933

>>10242221
We WuZ sPaCe BaBoOnS n ShEeEeEiIiIT

>> No.10243954

>>10243888
How did Thomas Sowell got his degree then?
>A.B. in Economics, magna cum laude, Harvard College, 1958

https://www.tsowell.com/cv.html

maybe this was true only in the South

>> No.10244184

>>10243888
Are you so fucking stupid you actually think you NEED a college degree to be able to do orbital mechanics? Pick up a fucking book, moron.

>> No.10244205

>>10242221
Not on the same level of Einstein at all, but their contribution was valuable nonetheless. I hope one day we can move on from caste systems, it's a dark shadow over our otherwise great republic.

>> No.10244355

>>10242221
Nice troll, as close to subtlety as you guys have gotten in a long time.

For anybody interested, the book is infinitely superior to the movie, and is actually quite interesting. It explains the role and significance of these "computers," what they actually did in the space race, and how they lived without the distortions introduced in the film script.

>> No.10244358

>>10242275
>rocket scientist

No such thing. The science of rocketry pretty much ended with Tsiolkovsky, if not Newton, after which it has all been rocket engineering.

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>>10242909
There is a third possibility you should probably consider.

>> No.10244370

>>10243054
Possibly. There was a group of white women, working in a different office (segregation had t be maintained) doing similar things. I think I recall somebody has now written a book about them, but that could be wrong -- i am still in a post-Christmas energy lull and can;t be arsed to go look.

>> No.10244376

>>10244184
>/sci/ believes in self study until a black woman does it

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10244380

>>10242221
>tards
Look who's discriminating now.
So you want to talk about them not because they discovered anything but because they were black. Thousands of people calculated trajectories for space programs, but these were black so they are FIGURES.
Shame on you Jamal.

>> No.10244431

> astronauts saved from a fiery death upon re-entry by the self-taught math skills of a black woman in the 60's

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>>10244431

forgot pic

>> No.10244445

>>10242935

reminder that segregation laws were/are strawmen for SJWs and jew busybodies. people segregate on their own.

>> No.10244461

>>10244358
Sure, rocket engineering. Whatever. I don't give a shit. Scientists and engineers are all the same to a mathematician.
Some fucker in this thread called it "astrophysics," go yell at him you moron.

>> No.10244509

>>10242275
This. Thanks anon

>> No.10244629

>>10244205
>>10242275
Their achievements are BORING and only relevant because of the political baggage attached to them. This movie is good to you because you're an emotional sponge who likes a good fight the power movie.

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10244668

>>10244445

>> No.10244669

>>10244668

?
use your words

>> No.10244674

>>10244205
Amen, brother! One of many dark shadows we still need to enlighten and expunge for a great republic. Get rid of all spooks!

>> No.10244681

>>10244669
I could but I can't really be bothered right now

Do people actually believe things like this?
>>10242935

>> No.10244686

>>10244681
>I could but I can't really be bothered right now

if you think i'm advocating jim crow laws, you're quite mistaken.

>> No.10244688

>>10242275
>yeah, but no one really knew that they were mathematicians at all. the movie isn't trying to say they were geniuses. they were just rather skilled compared to how they were perceived.
Just like every other mathematician that worked with them.
I literally only know handful of mathematicians made huge impact and few that appears in Numberphile. Again, why should I care about them?

>> No.10244691

This movie was great. Also, Janelle Monae is hot as fuck.

>> No.10244719

>>10242325
If I expect a black person to be taller, is this racism?
Are they taller because NBA has lower standards for whites?

>> No.10244727

>>10244719
why would you expect that? it's false.

>> No.10244741

>>10244727
I guess I shouldn't expect them to have darker skin tone.
Or maybe tanning machines have lower standards for blacks.

>> No.10244769

>>10244688

>Again, why should I care about them?

Not him but it's typically a good idea to archive anyone working in the field especially on big projects. A number of important research has utilized obscure or less spotlighted individuals and their work. You don't necessarily need to care about their life or hardships per se but it's important to be aware of any work they may have contributed for reference sake.

>> No.10245042

>>10244461
We all have a per peeve. "Rocket scientist" is mine.

Cope with it.

>> No.10245147

>>10243309
reminder that the hollywood definition for "based on" is "not"
"based on" a true story

>> No.10245328

>>10244431
That scene wasn't about fiery death upon re-entry, but about landing who the fuck knows where which would make recovery of a tiny capsule difficult, if not impossible.