Quantum physics says determinism is false

[Anonymous No.10221374]

[Anonymous No.10221381]

>>10221374
determinism sucks man, why would you prefer that to the possibility that your future isn’t set in stone since the beginning of the universe?

[Anonymous No.10221393]

>>10221381
What I prefer has nothing to do with the truth.

[Anonymous No.10221828]

>>10221393
that's because you're a determinist faggot.

[Anonymous No.10221837]

>>10221374

I like the infinite choice theory, but it's all the same.

[Anonymous No.10221840]

>>10221374
>Quantum physics says determinism is false
Quantum physics says determinism is false

[Anonymous No.10222026]

>>10221381
>make shit up about the universe to feel better about yourself
This is why religion is a thing.

[Anonymous No.10222037]

>>10222026
>t. determinist who can’t accept QM

[Anonymous No.10222042]

if everything can be predicted then why dont you get off your lazy ass and make some models to prove it?

[Anonymous No.10222055]

>>10221381
Dude you're not even intelligent enough to tell if P=NP or not, who in their right mind would let you make your own decisions? Go solve Hilbert's problems or something before you even start thinking about that

[Anonymous No.10222082]

>>10221374
There are many ways to interpret quantum mechanics. Some are deterministic, and others aren't. so far there isn't enough to prove either way.

[Anonymous No.10222099]

>>10221381
That means that i am not at fault for my poor life decisions

[Anonymous No.10222129]

>>10221374
>quantum consciousness

[Anonymous No.10222132]

>>10221374
Wrong. What we know is that the universe SEEMS TO BE non-deterministic (to a certain degree; a particle cannot move as far as it wants from a certain point; hence the stochastic, probabilistic nature of the location of matter at the sub-atomic level). From the perspective of an omnipotent creature, the momentum and speed of a particle may very well be exactly defined at all times.

[Anonymous No.10222182]

Will the world fall into a century long depression if it were revealed that even quantum mechanics are deterministic and a concept like free will cannot exist?

[Anonymous No.10222184]

>>10222182
quantum mechanics are deterministic and free will can’t exist, even if they weren’t it would never imply free will existed (they aren’t).

[Anonymous No.10222357]

Daily reminder that probability functions in qm are the same as fields in classical physics and neither physically exist.

[Anonymous No.10222721]

>>10221374
Determinism applies to macrophysics. Every single thing we do, every single thought we have, has been set in stone since the beginning of the universe.

[Anonymous No.10222905]

>>10222042
Evolution operator, literally.

[Anonymous No.10222917]

>>10221374
>le sad Wojak
How is determinism being false a bad thing?

[Anonymous No.10222937]

>>10222182
Christians would throw a histerical fit even though the Bible says free will doesn't exist.

[Anonymous No.10223808]

>>10222937
>the bible

[Anonymous No.10223840]

>>10222937
What do any of those verses have to do with free will?

[Anonymous No.10223845]

>>10223808
>half his videos and all his books are literally about magic
Behold the "enlightened" skeptic. gb2 >>>/x/

[Anonymous No.10224406]

>>10221374
>I don't have a clue what quantum theory actually says.

[Anonymous No.10224418]

>>10221381
lmao I mean you do realize that is still essentially true? Your decisions are still 100% determined. Whether the course of your actions is offset by quantum indeterminacy or not makes literally no difference for your experience. Your actions are still just the unfolding form of that which preceded you. If a random quantum event throws you off it's still, for you, just another cause.
What quantum indeterminacy proves is that causality, as humans understand it, is not actually an absolute rule of things (philosophy deduced this like a million ago already).
But your existence is still contingent on that which is outside your existence, and determinism is still an adequate descriptor of human experience.
In other words, your future isn't more in your control for quantum indeterminacy being a thing. It's more like it's set in stone, and then the stone changes mysteriously, but the fact that it does not change so due to you, or that you'd have any ability to recognize the difference, means that it is not meaningful.

[Anonymous No.10224488]

>>10221374
On a macro level, everything behaves deterministically. If it didn't, bridges wouldn't stay up and rockets wouldn't fly to space. Just because things may not be deterministic on the quantum scale (the jury is still out on this, BTW), doesn't mean shit for you or anything you will ever do.

[Anonymous No.10224489]

>>10221374
No it’s not I’m sick of this stupid interpretation
It just says we don’t understand the mechanisms of particles very well and that we might never be able to because of our fundamentally human limitations as products of evolutionary biology.

Determinism is the only thing that can exist, otherwise you suggest some things have no principles and causes which completely doesn’t make any sense if you think scientifically.
You’re suggesting that everything we’ll ever do regarding this quantum world is useless and unintelligible and that is the bane of human understanding.

[Anonymous No.10224529]

"Free will" is basically another name for belief in a soul that exists outside of material world, a religion.

[Anonymous No.10224727]

>>10224418
We don’t know how the quantum translates into classical physics. Maybe quantum indeterminancy can actually permit our concept of free will

[Anonymous No.10224875]

>>10224727
>Maybe quantum indeterminancy can actually permit our concept of free will
How? Whether things at the quantum level are deterministic or not, where does your "will" come from? Either it's deterministic, and you have no will, or it's random, and you have no will.

[Anonymous No.10224899]

still doesn't create a mechanism for "free will" to exist that isn't some random RNG shit.

[Anonymous No.10224909]

>>10222937
Ecclesiastes is p much about how come if you work hard and lead a good life you don't necessarily get a nice time out of it. So there's no free will in the sense you're not an all powerful being, you are still able to choose what you do but it might amount to nothing.

[Anonymous No.10224923]

>>10224418
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[Anonymous No.10225054]

>>10224875
People are just ridiculously attached to the idea of free will
Give them time

[Anonymous No.10225110]

>>10224875
It's a choice. Not probabilistic (probability is a heuristic) and not deterministic (multiple potential outcomes).

[Anonymous No.10225120]

>>10225110
But you still don’t have any control over the “choice”, or do you imagine that your consciousness somehow interacts and determines how your particles function?

[Anonymous No.10225136]

Maybe there is a link between the boltzmann theorie (about the entrophie) and the determinism

[Anonymous No.10225140]

>>10225120
Why else would particles do anything? They do what they want to do

[Anonymous No.10225144]

>>10224418
Lol what if I kill myself?

[Anonymous No.10225152]

>>10222721
Prove it nigger

[Anonymous No.10225182]

>>10224727
Memey nigger concept of free will is supernatural by design and can't be explained by definition.

[Anonymous No.10225193]

>>10225140
They don’t do what they “want” to do
particles don’t have awareness anon.
They act within the confines the causes and principles that govern them determine regardless of anything subjective.
We are of little understanding and therefore prone to conjecture,
But that’s it, there are no evidence supporting the idea anything truly random happens, and certainly no evidence particles “choose” things in the human sense.

[Anonymous No.10225236]

>>10224418
Copenhagen interpretation is self-contradictory anyway, so this whole randomness stuff is moot and an artifact of a failed interpretation.

[Anonymous No.10225267]

>>10222937
>not including Romans 9
It doesn’t get any more explicit than that chapter