/sci/ - Science & Math

[Anonymous No.10221370]

Will immortality be possible in our lifetimes?

[Anonymous No.10221377]

>>10221370
Nope. Delete the thread already.

[Anonymous No.10221392]

>>10221377
fpbp

[Anonymous No.10221418]

>>10221370
>Will immortality be possible in our lifetimes?
Yes, but only if you don't die.

[Anonymous No.10221645]

>>10221370
it’s possible, we’ve just been waiting until you die to announce

[Anonymous No.10222610]

>>10221370
No. Everyone wants to think something will solve their health within an acceptable time frame for them, relative to severity. Someone with cancer says some cure found in rats will save them in 2 years, someone with MS thinks a miracle cure will be here in 5 years, someone with IBD 10 years and someone who doesn't want to die 50 years.

If they had demonstrated a cure for aging in theory today it would still be 10 years before we saw it.

[Anonymous No.10222620]

>>10221370
Probably not, but even if it was none of us would be on the list of recipients and martial law would follow soon after.

[Anonymous No.10222731]

Up to 200 years is ppssible until the brain starts to tear itself down from functional to not. The brain will shut down eventually.

[Anonymous No.10222767]

>>10221370
I really hope its somehow physically impossible.
If immortality is possible then its possible to torture someone for an extremely long time.

[Anonymous No.10222853]

>>10221370
Yes, if you are a medusa

[Anonymous No.10223119]

>>10221370
Yes! For now we only have copes such as reproduction and ethnonationalism.

[Anonymous No.10223185]

We are all immortal, from our own point of view anyway.

[Anonymous No.10223210]

>>10223185
jej

[Anonymous No.10223213]

>he wants to live forever

[Anonymous No.10223796]

>>10221370
"Every generation of man has been certain, that through either magic or science, since he has not found it, his son would learn how to live forever." Everyone of them was wrong

[Anonymous No.10223822]

Can a human even function being immortal?
Is the Brain even powerful enough to record and sort through millennia worth of knowledge and experiences?

[Anonymous No.10223828]

>>10221370
Aubrey de Grey puts the chance at around 50/50 for middle aged people, IIRC. I'm signing up for cryonics in case aging isn't cured in time.

[Anonymous No.10223835]

Just freeze yourself if it isnt

[Anonymous No.10223890]

>>10223822
No a human would be doomed to repeat themselves. I think after a few hundred years the identity of that being would be lost. Even if he would remember everything he would probably get bored as seeing nothing would suprize or entertain him.

[Anonymous No.10223957]

>>10221370
>Will immortality be possible in our lifetimes?

This is the classic halting problem, just because you have lived for 1 billion years does not mean you will not die tomorrow.

[Anonymous No.10224468]

>>10222610
>If they had demonstrated a cure for aging in theory today
They did that years ago

[Anonymous No.10224617]

>>10224468
Yeah ok /x/

[Anonymous No.10224632]

>>10221370
>>>/church/

[Anonymous No.10226009]

Absolute immortality is not possible. Everything tends towards decay.

[Anonymous No.10226012]

>>10224632
>"""immortality"""
>you still die
>you lose pretty much everything

[Anonymous No.10226099]

>>10224617
Do you think it makes you smarter when you ignore published research because you believe it's not possible despite the evidence? Because someone who has done no research will never be as informed as someone who has.

[Anonymous No.10226115]

>>10221370
>possible in our lifetimes
i hope not, all the boomers should not live forever and spreading throughout the universe.

[Anonymous No.10226124]

>>10221370
eternal return is a type of immortality
and when einstein speaks of """god""" he just means there is more to this place than meets the eye
i.e. science isn't the final word on everything

[Anonymous No.10226132]

>>10221370
DONATE TO SENS

[Anonymous No.10226137]

>>10226132
You're right. Scens sucks all our hard-earned tax dollers, just like the Jews do. What has scens ever done for us, borderline-retarded "normal" people? NOTHENG

[Anonymous No.10226190]

>>10221370
No. see: entropy

[Anonymous No.10226341]

>>10223822
I would more wonder if the brain could psychiatrically cope with the idea of immortality.

Eventually you might start to wonder when you're going to WAKE UP

[Anonymous No.10226353]

YES.

but...we, the superior generation, will offer this gift to humanity once the baby boomers will be too old to benefit from the therapy.

[Anonymous No.10226655]

>>10221370
>His disciples said to him, "When will the repose of the dead come about, and when will the new world come?"
>He said to them, "What you look forward to has already come, but you do not recognize it."

[Tuba Jam No.10226679]

>>10221370
can't fight entropy as far as we know, so the answer is currently "no".

[Anonymous No.10226699]

>>10226341
I think it was in Time Enough For Love but a nigh-immortal human product of life extension experiments (and being his own grandpa) talks about how part of the rejuvenation process is defragging, optimizing, and dumping old memory because otherwise you go senile and suicidal from having too much memory and experiene crammed into their head.

[Anonymous No.10226779]

>>10221370
Define "iimortality."

I mean, eventually the heat death of the universe will happen, or something. So how long a life would qualify as near-enough immortal.

[Anonymous No.10226782]

>>10221418
Kek

[Anonymous No.10227132]

>>10224632
>>>/x/

[Anonymous No.10227163]

>>10223796
ITS DIFFERENT THIS TIME

[Anonymous No.10227475]

>>10226779
>not living long enough so you learn how to stop heat death of the universe
fucking plebs im outta this site

[Anonymous No.10227670]

>>10223822
Only the Good bits

[Anonymous No.10227819]

>>10227132
>>>/r/atheist

[Anonymous No.10229372]

I'm 23 and would like to live to 200 years old.

Likely or no?

[Anonymous No.10229379]

>>10229372
23 as well. hopefully our remaining 40 or so years of lifespan will be enough to see some advancement fellow boomer

[Anonymous No.10229392]

>>10229379
Honestly I'm pretty confident we'll live to 100+ if we're careful, don't die early and don't make shitty life decisions.

Anti-ageing discoveries are just starting to kick off. We understand more than ever before and are beginning to make modest breakthroughs. But I feel that living to 200, or even 150, is overly optimistic. We'll see. We don't know for sure what we're about to discover.

[Anonymous No.10229400]

>>10221370
What the fuck are you going to do for eternity?

[Anonymous No.10229428]

>>10226124
best post

[Anonymous No.10229487]

>>10221370
I hope so.

[Anonymous No.10229489]

it has always been eternal anon
come to the Lord

[Anonymous No.10229497]

>>10229400
Imagine having such a small imagination that you thought this was a question worth asking. Never let me down /sci/ you brainless fucks

[Anonymous No.10230502]

Finding a way to stop aging ironically would probably finally kill humanity.

[Anonymous No.10230505]

>>10229392
>just starting to kick off.
Blood transfusion from murdered children already works

[Anonymous No.10230512]

it will probably not be possible within our lifetime

[Anonymous No.10230541]

>>10221370
>immortality
lol
who wants to live forever being treated like shit, on a planet filled with retards who think money equals ability
even if you come up with some cyborg crap, stuff happens all the time to change things, and sooner or later you will die, its a statistical certainty regardless of what sort of system you come up with.

[Anonymous No.10230555]

>>10230512
longevity escape velocity

>>10230541
who cares, doesn't nullify the value of survival, any extra days of life I'm gladly taking

[Anonymous No.10230579]

>>10226099
/x/

[Anonymous No.10230770]

>>10223185
This

[Anonymous No.10231695]

>>10230505
No wonder vampires live so long.

[Anonymous No.10231779]

>>10226099

You're the one who made the outrageous claim that humans have solved the aging problem and you didn't even post any sources

>>>/x/

[Anonymous No.10231829]

>>10226341
Yeah, whoever you are.. Just WAKE UP

[Anonymous No.10231853]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jcbbr8ZhoFs

Anyone else take these supplements?

[Anonymous No.10231907]

>>10221370
Who wants to live forever? (Besides fundagelical Christian/Muslim brainlets, obviously.) For me at least, existence can only be borne because it is finite. The material immortality offered by the carbon cycle is all I need, want, or deserve.

[Anonymous No.10231949]

>>10231907
>t. luddite

[Anonymous No.10232587]

Why the fuck you morons want to live forever you will probably turn insane after a few years

[Anonymous No.10232634]

>>10221370
>wait for VR to get popular
>increased demand for higher levels of VR immersion
>brain implants start becoming feasible
>we matrix now
>extracranial computing starts to take off
>implants that augment or replace parts of the brain become available
>your consciousness can now shift entirely onto a silicon-based platform
>your physical body can now be replaced by an android
>your virtual body and mind could even function at an accelerated speed in VR
>eventually you could live ten lifetimes in a day
>even once you get bored of VR, you can hop into your robot body and explore the universe

[Anonymous No.10232656]

>>10221370
Bad choice of words. If it's "possible" in 10 years it means it was "possible" always. The question is if it will happen

[Anonymous No.10232666]

>>10230541
fuck that shit. Maybe not live forever. but how about living 500 years in the body of a 22 year old top condition athelte (solving aging will easily also control your phisique wihtout excerisse).

lol at you clueless virgin. having sex as a young 20 year old with a female 20yo young tier soft skin big tits pressed agianst your chest yes yes while you grab the firm ass tongues melt hard dick into soft pussy. AND YOU THINK THATS NOT WORHT IT?!??!?!?! haha at you likae le totlay

[Anonymous No.10232690]

>>10230541
This i hate life already as is

[Anonymous No.10232802]

>>10221418
nice

[Anonymous No.10232816]

>>10229400
beat my meat till the cows come home
>and they ain't ever coming home

[Anonymous No.10233884]

>>10221370
biological living humans won't achieve immortality, however, the humans that transfer to the virtual realm will be alive so long they can pay for their physical maintenance. This will happen in the next 50 years.

[Anonymous No.10233897]

>>10221370
Endless life is endless suffering.

[Anonymous No.10233899]

>>10229400
suffer

[Anonymous No.10235345]

I don't wanna die bump

[Anonymous No.10235347]

>>10232634
Sounds like this is going on now

[Anonymous No.10235455]

>>10235347
ask a dog to build a dyson sphere, that's basically what you're hoping for with mind uploading

[Anonymous No.10235645]

>>10233884
allowing people to die when they don't want to die is about as morally reprehensible as killing them, and i can easily imagine in the future it won't be allowed.

[Anonymous No.10235680]

>>10233884
>>10235645
A totally digitized human wouldn't require a lot of resources and energy to maintain, really - update the hardware every few years, pay for storage/hosting, and then whatever payment is required to access the VR server - cheap enough that government welfare could support it.

I think the real problem (for governments) would be keeping track of people who have become fully virtual. How do you prevent someone from making copies of themselves, or getting a hacker to change their ID? Being able to escape the oppression of current day governments would be wonderful, though.

[Anonymous No.10235724]

>>10229379
60 is the world average but this includes places with extremely high mortality rates.

[Anonymous No.10235726]

>>10232634
Came here to say this, life expectancy is at its highest and keeps getting higher, I could see getting uploaded in 50 years, albeit for a heavy price tag

[Anonymous No.10235730]

>>10235455
Reasoning behind this?

[Anonymous No.10236031]

>>10235730
we are stupid and we don't know anything about the universe, quantum mechanics, our brain, life after death, consciousness, at the scale of nature

[Anonymous No.10236807]

>>10229400
Post apu apustajas when they are not even cute anymore

[Anonymous No.10237340]

>>10221370
No, because nobody is working on it. Life extension medicine right now is an elaborate grift and nothing more. Every single person in the field knows that the best way to ensure life extension is to rejuvenate stem cells yet ZERO (0) of them are working on anything of the sort. Instead they're shilling supplements like NAD and cures for diseases that scare people like Alzheimer's but which affect only a minority of the population.

[Anonymous No.10237347]

>>10223828
Aubrey de Grey also said that the average life expectancy was a good measure of progress and that it could just keep going up up up. It's going down now. Aubry is a fucking fraud. His own organization claimed that fighting the diseases of aging and not aging itself was the wrong path and now they spend literally all their time trying to shill for cures for Alzheimer's and Parkinson's.

[Anonymous No.10237350]

>>10224468
Then why has the longest-lived mouse literally only lived 5 years?

[Anonymous No.10237351]

>>10229400
finally finish my backlog

[Anonymous No.10237355]

>>10226115
It doesn't matter. If it's even remotely possible in our lifetimes, it will be WELL past the time all boomers are long dead. Don't worry about that.

[Anonymous No.10237359]

>>10226132
>Works on Alzheimer's which affects a minority of even elderly people
>Refuses to even acknowledge osteoarthritis, which affects literally everyone past a certain age
SENS will fail us. Period.

>>10226137
They've never done anything for anyone, truth be told.

[Anonymous No.10237362]

>>10229372
The human world probably won't last 200 years. Let alone individual humans. Shit is fucked.

[Anonymous No.10237366]

>>10231853
>Kurzweil

[Anonymous No.10237377]

>>10221418
Heh.

[Anonymous No.10237461]

>>10229400
ok, not eternity, just a couple billion years. I will master every single area of human knowledge, science, art, then play every single videogame avaivable, experience all of the kinds of sex possible 10.000.000 over, then write a poem to each number frmo -234423 to 2439423098 then kill myself

[Anonymous No.10237482]

>>10221370
Yeah but we will not get to see it

[Anonymous No.10237602]

>>10222610

I agree immortality is a "no way".

But curing/slowing ageing? Now that seems pretty reasonable to achieve in under 80 years. One of the reasons this appears likely is because of the advances in AI. Also CRISPR (fast cheap gene editing) has only existed since 2012.

I believe AI + CRISPR stands a good chance of preventing ageing.

It actually doesn't seem like a particularly hard problem compared to other challenges humanity is facing.

[Anonymous No.10237621]

>>10237359
>SENS will fail

write a recognized scientific book about it or stfu

stop thinking people will trust you without showing some reasons why we should trust you, random anon

[Anonymous No.10237624]

>>10223796

I am a self made millionaire (game dev). Every day for 6 years I told my parents that next month I will be rich.

The next month came and I was still poor. And again and again and again.

Then one day I finally launched the game. Little did I know that 4 weeks earlier when I said "next month I will be rich" that I was correct.

These things sneak up on you. You think it's hopeless and that it will forever be a dream. Then one day it happens and you are shocked.

[Anonymous No.10237625]

>>10237602
>I believe AI + CRISPR stands a good chance of preventing ageing.
Then you're a fool. These are probably the worst options. They're fucking Elon Musk pie in the sky nonsense.

[Anonymous No.10237629]

>>10237621
Just look at SENS' own words vs their actions. I've already given multiple examples.

[Anonymous No.10237636]

>>10221370
Until we can colonize the galaxy, immortality will not solve human death, because we'll very quickly hit the population cap and everyone will start dying anyways.

[Anonymous No.10237645]

>>10237636
>inb4 Malthus' Law

[Anonymous No.10237682]

>>10237625

AI being used in medicine is pie in the sky?

CRISPR being able to edit genes is pie in the sky?

Or you mean the combination of the two is pie in the sky? Maybe that's not how ageing will be cured but applying machine learning to gene editing isn't foolish idea.

[Anonymous No.10237691]

>>10223835
*vitrify yourself

[Anonymous No.10237699]

>>10237682
>AI being used in medicine is pie in the sky?
You're relying on shit humans are too dumb to use. If AI were being used correctly, all fucking disease would be over. It never will for multiple reasons. The two largest being general human idiocy and capitalism requiring a broken world.

>CRISPR being able to edit genes is pie in the sky?
Absolutely. It's garbage technology and humans will never use it correctly for the exact same reasons as above. Keep in mind that humans are still riding the "one chemical at a time" study of aging, which will never fucking work.

[Anonymous No.10237716]

>>10237699
humans in general might be idiotic but all it would take is one bright human. sounds like you're misanthropic and/or projecting.

[Anonymous No.10237725]

>>10237716
>all it would take is one bright human
You clearly are the problem here.

>you're misanthropic
Misanthropy is the correct view of humans. You're stupid and a destructive nuisance. Nothing more.

[Anonymous No.10237746]

>>10221370
>>10231853
The techies may answer that even if almost all biological species are eliminated eventually, many species survive for thousands or millions of years, so maybe techies too can survive for thousands or millions of years. But when large, rapid changes occur in the environment of biological species, both the rate of appearance of new species and the rate of extinction of existing species are greatly increased. Technological progress constantly accelerates, and techies like Ray Kurzweil insist that it will soon become virtually explosive; consequently, changes come more and more rapidly, everything happens faster and faster, competition among self-prop systems becomes more and more intense, and as the process gathers speed the losers in the struggle for survival will be eliminated ever more quickly. So, on the basis of the techies' own beliefs about the exponential acceleration of technological development, it's safe to say that the life-expectancies of human-derived entities, such as man-machine hybrids and human minds uploaded into machines, will actually be quite short. The seven-hundred-year or thousand-year life-span to which some techies aspire is nothing but a pipe-dream.

[Anonymous No.10238310]

>>10221370
Well, if you live forever, then you'll pretty much end up losing everything.
On the other hand, if you die, you'll pretty much end up losing everything but in a shorter amount of time.

So would you rather be quick and get it over with or suffer for the rest of your unending existence?

[Anonymous No.10239031]

>>10238310
Well, by that logic just kill yourself right now.

[Anonymous No.10239061]

>>10237716
Misanthrope?
I don't hate my fellow man, even when he's tiresome and surly and tries to cheat at poker. I figure that's just the human material, and him that finds in it cause for anger and dismay is just a fool for expecting better.

[Anonymous No.10239062]

>>10226341
This. Take too many mushrooms and you can experience what an existential nightmare it would be. A subjective just stretching out eternally. You'd probably begin to doubt the world is actually real and your immortality is a necessary part of your dream because you can never die and you are all there is.

[Anonymous No.10239068]

>>10221370
Immortality would be sad for relationships. Everything would become transient with no plausible of being tied to one person with your time. Less meaningful too as it's the greatest thing you can do to choose to use your limited spark of existence with someone else.

Everyone would probably devolve into degeneracy and hedonism.

[Anonymous No.10239099]

>>10238310
You don't have to live forever, but don't you have a sense of adventure? I know if I had 1,000,000 lifetimes, I'd be spending them exploring the universe. Take a trek across the galaxy, visit some of the countless planets that we've only just begun to find, search for signs of life or observe all kinds of new and amazing climate and geological systems... who knows, you might even find another civilized race out there.

[Anonymous No.10239147]

>>10239099
People always like to believe if not for some particular bothersome circumstances in their lives they would do amazing things and be amazing people. You already have 80 years, you could master a speciality, travel the globe, become a political leader but instead you jerk it every day and get giddy over Red Dead 2 coming to PC. The reality is you act according to your neuroanatomy and chemistry, no reason that should change when you realize you'll live forever.

[Anonymous No.10239163]

>>10226341
>I would more wonder if the brain could psychiatrically cope with the idea of immortality.
But it already does

[Anonymous No.10239198]

>>10221370
I am of the opinion that everybody lives in a parallel universe where he is immortal. which means if you die in one universe your conciousness automatically is transfered into a universe where you are still alive, maybe that is also why we often lack a few seconds of memory when we have accidents because we actually died.

Following this philosophy I think everybody will attain immortality in their own reality. the question is rather how many of your loved ones will also attain it or if you will be universes apart for eternity.

[Anonymous No.10239249]

>>10239068
relationships sole purpose is procreation, everything else is tied to something selfish (and that's just how life is, selfish, when you're not part of the same organism)

[Anonymous No.10239250]

>>10226779
We haven't yet a full grasp of the laws of physcis. To be so certain about any outcome sof ar out in the future is silly.

Plus given the insane progress humanity or any other intelligent species could make in such a stupidly large time-frame, it might become possible to, say travel to other universes, control time + space etc.

[Anonymous No.10239252]

>>10229400
At least you have options. Even then, if you're truly done with life, you can always off yourself.

[Anonymous No.10239253]

>>10237725
AW THE EDGE

[Anonymous No.10239256]

>>10239250
one day in the distant future, we'll be able to get out of our universe and convert our "rules of physics" in real time to access and sense other universes with entirely different cosmological constants

[Anonymous No.10239259]

>>10232587
I'd rather have the option of not dying.

[Anonymous No.10239263]

>>10233897
Some of us enjoy adversity.

[Anonymous No.10239265]

>>10236031
We're getting there

[Anonymous No.10239277]

To all the beta depressed cucks here saying why they would want live longer in this shit existence, there is nothing stopping any of you from killing yourselves right now. Yet you continue to live (probably), so pick a side and be consistent.

Now unless you're one of those, the concept of life extension seems like a highly desireable thing, specially if you enjoy living and have some imgination to ponder what one could possibly experience in the cosmos and be there for the immense technological progress awaiting humanity and/or other intelligent species'.

[Anonymous No.10239281]

>>10239068
I've always found it much more convincing that death makes life meaningless, rather than death makes life meaningful.

[Anonymous No.10239438]

>>10239281
Yeah i don't disagree, when i was younger i very much felt that death represented such a deletion of the subjective that it made it essentially never exist. You were gone, the universe was gone and one day nothing will exist.

I have no new information but with time I've come to think that within the boundaries of subjectivity, what gives meaning is it's limit. It makes the time significant.

The interpretation either way is valid really, we all have to decide what is meaningful to us.

[Anonymous No.10239834]

>immortality
No, that will never happen.

However, aging will end in our lifetime. Significant progress is being made in the labs and animals can be made to live significantly longer. At this point it's safe to say aging will be solved soon. How soon depends on funding and the FDA.

But, even when aging isn't a thing anymore and people are living for multiple centuries, nothing can save you from murder/physical death. Something will kill you eventually.

[Anonymous No.10240027]

>>10239281
A thing has value because of the labor put in creating/extracting it, and it's scarcity.
If you lived forever your time would be worthless because today is just like tomorrow.
The fact that you've just got the one tank means you'd better get the most value for it because as far as anyone can prove you've just got the one life.

[Anonymous No.10240069]

>>10239834
> made steps in animals
They can cure just about every disease going in mice, it's near meaningless. A minute percentage of positive animals studies translate to humans and a small percentage of those once again actually pass phase 3 trials.

Until it's shown in proof of concept in humans it isn't close because even that would be at least 10 years to mass availability.

[Anonymous No.10240100]

>>10240069
This is true. Though, many of the therapies are either in human trials now or will be soon. Its a painfully slow process but hopefully the field will bear more "human" fruit soon.

[Anonymous No.10240162]

>>10239834
>what is (the idea of) backing up your body

[Anonymous No.10240188]

>>10240162
If you can back up your body, then upload into it when you die, then it must be true that you can also create a copy of yourself by uploading a backup of your consciousness into it even though you haven't died. Now, there's two of you and and your copy is not you.

There is zero difference when you do the same thing when you're dead. It would not be you anymore, just as a copy of yourself would not be you.

[Anonymous No.10240194]

>>10240188
There is another solution. If we assume that brain computer interfaces are successful and we can record and stimulate every neuron in the brain, then we can redirect all output of the body to another body. So, your original body can remain in a safe place from harm (relatively safe), while controlling a secondary body that can be killed and all that would happen is output is then continued in your original body. It's a stretch but it is possible.

[Anonymous No.10240385]

>>10239147
Not everyone thinks as small as you do, anon.

[Anonymous No.10240412]

>>10240027
One could just as easily argue that because life is finite, all you do in the end is worthless for when you die it will not have mattered how you lived and what you did, at least from your perspective.

Any meaning in life can only be subjective, and if while I live forever my life is meaningful to me (and it is not difficult to imagine, given that there seems to be near infinite possibilities assuming sufficient technological development). However if my own subjectivity dies, so does any potential meaning.

Also I hope you don't subscribe to the labour theory of value xd

[Anonymous No.10240465]

>>10240194
>>10240188
I think piecemeal replacement of the brain with implants (insert Ship of Theseus allegory here) combined with inhabiting a robot body, either remotely or directly controlling it, will be the main way to take most of the metaphysical risk out of immortality. If you still somehow manage to fuck up and get your brain killed, having a backup copy would be a better alternative than straight up death - it's akin to having a child that's a perfect clone of you.

[Anonymous No.10240535]

>It’s an anon lives forever but winds up forgetting his friends and family because he fills the space in his head and needs to purge memories to stay sane episode
>It’s an anons perception of time is so fucked that civilizations turn to sand and rise before his eyes in hours episode
>It’s an anon will never find love because his life will be a constant stream of technical enhancements and mind alteration to keep his rotting brain functioning episode
>It’s a disease or accident kills anon anyway episode
>It’s an anon thinks uploading his brain will be a good thing but doesn’t realize his stream of consciousness will end effectivly killing him while the copy replaces him and doesnt realize its a brand new stream of consciousness episode

What a fucking nightmarescape of a life that must be

[Anonymous No.10240545]

>>10237624
Toby?

[Anonymous No.10240661]

>>10240535
>anon thinks uploading his brain will be a good thing but doesn’t realize his stream of consciousness will end effectivly killing him while the copy replaces him and doesnt realize its a brand new stream of consciousness
But this shit happens every time you go to sleep and wake up.

[Anonymous No.10240718]

>>10240661
No. You are still conscious when you are sleeping. Hence why you remember your dreams or can be woken up. Sleep is not a loss of consciousness and neither is drug induced "unconsciousness". If it was your alarm clock wouldn't wake you up in the morning. You should instead think of it as the brains power save mode or built in maintenance system.

Uploading the brain from one body to another may imply a COMPLETE shutdown of ALL consciousness. Will the stream of consciousness be a smooth transfer and preserve itself or will it be entirely different as in creating a copy of yourself as >>10240188 was stating?

[Anonymous No.10240881]

>>10240718
What if you transfer your mind gradually? Like just transfering small parts over time, without interrupting consciousness. Let's say you transfer 1% of your "process" of consciousness, and the next minute you gradually transfer another 1%, until you are completely inside the machine.

[Anonymous No.10241117]

>>10240661
How much of a fucking brainlet are you

If you remember dreams, your consciousness is still in tact.

If you “upload yourself” you die and the copy has no idea you died its basic shit

[Anonymous No.10241157]

>>10241117
If you're that concerned about losing your stream of consciousness then do a >>10240465 and replace parts of your wetware with hardware bit by bit, until it's fully electronic and can be recompiled without destroying the conscious mind.

[Anonymous No.10241802]

>>10221370
maybe

[Anonymous No.10241817]

Holy crap, you guys are really delusional. You're going to age and die like everyone else before and after you. Concentrate on living a good life instead of those neopagan delusions.

[Anonymous No.10241827]

>>10237624
What game?

[Anonymous No.10241829]

>>10221370
Nope.

Will life expectancy rise over 100 absolutely.

[Anonymous No.10241836]

>>10241817
You're closet normie tier.

Open a research journal for once in your life.

[Anonymous No.10241855]

You already have immortality. Yes, you. You're going to be you forever.

[Anonymous No.10241974]

>>10241855
Really made me think

[Anonymous No.10242065]

Yes

Take a look at /r/longevity

[Anonymous No.10243094]

>>10241817
>Holy crap, you guys are really delusional. You're going to age and die like everyone else before and after you. Concentrate on living a good life instead of those neopagan delusions.

What is a black swan problem?
It's a problem that looks very difficult before its solved but in hindsight looks really easy.

For example, people claimed it was impossible to break the sound barrier, for no reason at all, just because it sounded weird, same with lunar landings and most other technologies.

There is no reason why biological inmortality can't happen, as a matter of fact the most expectable outcome is it happening. Once it happens retarded idiots like you who used to claim is impossible will say it was obvious from the get go

[Anonymous No.10243118]

>>10221370
>Will immortality be possible in our lifetimes?
The question is irrelevant.
Humans should NEVER be immortal. It would be disasterous.
You'd have the same fucked-up faggots in charge of everything important, forever. The same rulers, become despots and dictators, in power, forever. Meanwhile people would keep reproducing, world population exploding, until there literally were not enough resources. The wars that resulted would be devastating, and likely render the Earth uninhabitable.
Breaking the 'cycle of life' would destroy everything.

[Anonymous No.10243224]

>>10242065
Actually go back to redddit and never come back, not kidding, we dont want you here; or at least lurk for a year and stop using redddit while you do so. Redditt literally turns you into a cuck.

[Anonymous No.10243232]

>>10221370
I hope not. My life has gone on for too long already.

[Anonymous No.10243243]

>>10222767
Agreed. Life with the promise of death is scary, but life without the promise of death is terrifying. No matter what shitty things happen to you, you can always escape.

[Anonymous No.10243247]

>>10227819
r/burninhellfaggot

[Anonymous No.10243662]

>>10241117
Gross misunderstanding

[Anonymous No.10243676]

>>10241117
"You" die every instance by your conception. There is no material persistent you, no soul or physical substance. Even your own thoughts aren't necessarily yours with things like thought insertion delusion and split personalities.

What makes a person continuous is two part: each thought is made continuous because the brain fires off an efferent signal which is then compared to the produced thought or action, if matched it is sensed as intentional and self driven, this is the sensation of subjectivity. There is an afferent signal sent which anchors the next thought in the previous and so what would otherwise be discrete moments of subjective conscience with no link, like a slideshow becomes a flow.

What then connects these over time in a greater way is memory and interaction with the world. A sort of narrative you compared to the constructed experiential you. You form a general sense of self from relation to the world, how other people interact with you and past memories.

Not a single one of these precludes a machine picking up at any moment and continuing just as you did with no break. If you constructed one with the same neural architecture it would be just as you as you are, because there's no magic substance that is the real you. The subjectivity you feel is a sensation applied to each thought, not some separate being.

[Anonymous No.10243835]

>>10237602
>Ai
>curing aging
I fail to see the conection

[Anonymous No.10243855]

>>10243835
Singularity meme. Because we have programs that through the power of millions of people endlessly solving captchas can recognize a car we are just years away from creating a digital god.

[Anonymous No.10244262]

>>10221418
Smart kek.

[Anonymous No.10244281]

>>10226679
Yes, you can fight entropy. You can create sand castle and that would decrease the entropy. Entropy would eventualy incrase and destroy the sandcastle, but if you repair it all the time, entropy would never destry it.

[Anonymous No.10244343]

>>10243835
Ai has big brains ok

[Anonymous No.10244736]

>>10244343
Hawking was a retarded raisin. Making the computers align with us just means make sure it absolutely cannot judge black people negatively and has to viciously work to create equity even if and preferentially if it kills whitey.

If decent people ever invent an AI we need to use it to reconstruct these people's minds from dna scans and remaining brain tissue then subject them to infinite simulated black gang bangs.

[Anonymous No.10244801]

>>10226012
What's the resurrection of the last day where you will be reunited with you body?
>>10227132
> back to /x/ christcuck
>telling the people who gave you modern science you love so much to fuck off.

[Anonymous No.10244869]

nothing personnel, kid

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4e0mNctnzYw

[Anonymous No.10244877]

yes. induced pluripotent stem cells with crispr to make infinite stem cells. stem cells heal burns and cancer

[Anonymous No.10244988]

>>10244877

you can also become a mage and transport your soul onto your bones and this is way more epic than some gay steam cells

[Anonymous No.10244992]

>>10244988
a lich/skeleton mage

[Anonymous No.10245670]

I don't fear death, I prefer to die since my loved ones will die soon and I prefer to take my chances to be with them than living with retards

btw, i can't even think of something more hellish than some AI managing to create some VR and forcing every human to load it as his subjective experience, like it would be like experiencing everything with 0 free will, you people trust too much humans, and their philosophical framework is shit so it's obvious AI will be evil as fuck

https://www.autodesk.com/solutions/generative-design

https://medium.com/intuitionmachine/the-alien-look-of-deep-learning-generative-design-5c5f871f7d10?fbclid=IwAR07S3HUN7GANAFnVO3u0vmhQVfTVXJx8OjFFHzdZIjIKl7qsTc4jN8UGnI

[Anonymous No.10246002]

>>10245670
>like it would be like experiencing everything with 0 free will
The absolute state of this board

[Anonymous No.10246004]

but it's already possible my dude. Newton, Einstein, Faraday? they all still live through their work.

[Anonymous No.10246050]

>>10246004
imagine confusing conscious life for a memory