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I've spent most of my undergrad taking Pre-Med classes and boosting my clinical and volunteering experiences with the expectation of going to medical school. Now, I fear that we are soon going to live in a country where doctors won't be fairly compensated, so I don't want to be pre-med anymore.

Unfortunately, most of my experience has been in clinical, patient-based roles. I also have some decent research experience of a few years, but no papers or publications or anything. My GPA is decent, it'll be about a 3.70 when I graduate (I am about to start my last semester of my senior year)

How fucked am I for jobs? I graduate in 6 months. Is there ANYTHING I can get with a BA in Biology? How do biology majors get good jobs? Should I get a Masters in something? I'm definitely not getting a PhD, I might as well go to Med school for all that work. I want a job that makes at least 6 figures

>> No.10218369

>>10218367
Switch to math

>> No.10218374

>>10218367
How the fuck do you get a BA in bio? Shouldn't it be a BSc?

>> No.10218390

>>10218367
>for bio bachelors
nope
>for masters
yeah shitty lab work, basically no research or teaching positions worth anything. Its doctorate or bust mate, I'm in the same boat that's why I'm taking a math or physics double major so i can get an industry job if I can't get PhD. Its really terrible, Bio is by far the most interesting scientific field with endless things to work on and reformulate but the glut of women, indians, chinese and sheer volume of useful brainlets makes it a terrible career choice. It was either that or Med school and I hate doctors, patients, hospitals and the HC industry. Good luck to you.

Get CS major or Math major if you're worried. Bioinformatics is really big right now, Genetics is too and Bioengineering.

>> No.10218395

>>10218369
>>10218390
I'm a senior, I literally am graduating in 6 months. I can't just start fresh and switch to Math or CS major...unless you mean I should go to CS for a Masters? Would I even be able to since I have 0 experience with that?

>>10218374
Many schools offer a BA in Biology

>> No.10218402

>>10218395
>switch to CS masters
I don't know enough about it but from the little I've heard from grad students it should be possible if you studied and self taught like an auttistic madman for a year. Don't take me too seriously I'm still an undergrad whose knowledge comes from speaking with grad students and PhD candidates online and in person.

>> No.10218411

>>10218395
Okay they offer it but why would you not choose the BSc over the ba?

>> No.10218424

>>10218411

The BS is more work and needs more science classes that are difficult at my school...and Med schools don't care either way which is why I got the BA

>> No.10218433

how the fuck can you swap from BIOLOGY bachelor to CS master?

in europe this is not possible

>> No.10218436

>>10218367
>wanted to become a doctor for the money

lol

>> No.10218451

>>10218436
>wanting to become a doctor for reasons other than money

Even bigger lol

>> No.10218745

>>10218367
You are literally the epitome of an NPC brainlet. No math, physics, or programming skills. Went into a fluff degree. Wants nothing more than money.

Just fuck off and die. You are a disgrace.

>> No.10218746

>>10218433
it's not possible in america either, the others are meme-ing

>> No.10218748

>>10218745
nibba how is Biology a fluff degree. it's not my fault the market is so oversaturated

>> No.10218753

Experience is experience

>> No.10218759

>>10218748
I did my first degree in Biology and switched after because I realized it's fluff. Hence why it's filled with females.

>> No.10218767

>>10218759
the actual science of Biology is amongst the most "science-y" science of them all

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10218768

>the actual science of Biology is amongst the most "science-y" science of them all

>> No.10218782

>>10218424
You are destined to fail.

>> No.10218787

OP, you sound like a retard. I'm not just talking about the content of your posts. I mean, yes, you say dumb things like "Biology is amongst the most "science-y science of them all", "science classes... ...are difficult", "I want... ...6 figures". But you also speak like a retard from instagram. I wouldn't be surprised if the guy in your first picture is your idol.

>> No.10218796

idk maybe like get some connections with the park services and other wildlife related jobs in your area? or look at the fucking job board?

or fucking man up and get a masters, you could teach at a community college and even do your own research

but for that you would have to specialize. fuck you OP idiot BA lmfao BA kys

>> No.10218879

>>10218390
>useful brainlet
that's a good one

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10218889

>>10218367
Use your biology degree to become a scientist doing research to cure aging.

>> No.10218924

>>10218889
>implying any useful biology research was ever done by a biologist

It's always been physicists and engineers.

>> No.10218943 [DELETED] 

>>10218367
if youre doing it for the money and not to help out people, you wouldve been shit at your job and murdered various people with malpractice. I hope this does happen so it weeds out all the shit doctors like yourself. Also kys

>> No.10220047

>>10218787
I don’t like science. I just want to be a doctor for the money and prestige

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>>10220047
Then you are the very reason why society is failing you fucking degenerate

>> No.10220178

>>10220047
honestly dont even get upset over thinking this

every job now a days is soul sucking and breaks your body, your mind or both

you might as well make the most money while doing it

>> No.10220197

>>10218924
>engineers
>research

Neck yourself

>> No.10220219

>>10220178

are you familiar with the US healthcare? Do you think it's likely that doctor wages will go down to Europoor levels? My biggest worry is wasting all this time and effort getting into medical school, and then doing well in medical school, then toiling away at a residency, all while going half a million dollars in debt, only to not be compensated enough to have a good life.

>> No.10220223

>>10218374
How? I've a Bsc in Sociology. Did you take any math classes?

>> No.10221378

>>10220223

No, my school offers a BS and a BA in biology

>> No.10221480

>>10220219
no u fucking idiot doctor salaries will never go below 6 figures.

>whines about the possibility of not having a good life when he lives in a country where he can take out a 500k loan to go to school

die my dude

>BA in biology

might be uchicago, but odd bc clearly a brainlet

>> No.10221598

My school offers ba/bs. Ba is generally recommended for science school teacher. Oddly enough I could graduate right now if I switched to BA, but I got 3 more classes for my BS.

>> No.10221660

>>10218451
>wanting to be a doctor at all
LOL

>> No.10221687

>>10218367
>I won't be making $200k/year like I thought so I'm not interested anymore.
Goodbye pre-med. I heard McDonald's is hiring.

>> No.10221728

>>10218924
>implying any useful biology research was ever done by a biologist
>It's always been physicists and engineers.
Nigga what?

>> No.10221741

>>10218759
>its fluff
what do you even mean by that?

>> No.10221745

Medicine is going to be socialised in every nation very soon. Dont risk going in because you will not make decent money any more. Competition for doctor positions in cities is HUGE and the jobs left are rural.

In 20-30 years the only doctors left will have their degree from the University of New Dehli.

>> No.10221752

>>10221745
>Working rural is bad
Okay anon, whatever you say.

>> No.10221761

>>10221752
It's not that bad but lots of people just don't want to do it. We have so many doctors coming over to Australia from Nordic countries to work in more remote locations and living very good lives. I hope they keep coming because it's better than fucking pajeet.

>> No.10221775

>>10221761
>We have so many doctors coming over to Australia from Nordic countries to work in more remote locations and living very good lives. I hope they keep coming because it's better than fucking pajeet.
Agreed, my colleagues from Nordic countries actually enjoy their jobs unlike their Indian counterparts who were groomed to be doctors from birth.

>> No.10221781

>>10220219
>>10220047
You won't get into a US med school if you don't even like science. They aren't like med schools in third world countries that just accept anybody. You actually have to get straight As and jump through a bunch of hoops to be competitive, which you clearly aren't.

>> No.10221805

>>10221781
>jump through a bunch of hoops to be competitive.
I'm glad I never had suck academic dick to get publications or letters of recommendation, which are essential for US med applicants.
In Australia it's all about our GPA, GAMSAT and interview score.

>> No.10221810

>>10221805
Americans have to figure out squeeze more blacks and liberal arts retards in.

>> No.10221856

>>10221745
I highly doubt that. Too many people making too much money to give up the system.

>> No.10222032

>>10221687

Listen idiot, if you're going to be going a half a million dollars in debt and 7-9 years of intense studying and life commitments during your 20's, it's not unreasonable to be fairly compensated. And if med schools continue being as costly and time-consuming as they are now, doctors BETTER be damn well paid adequately for it, so yes I want to go into it only if I know I'll be able to get a 300K+ salary

>> No.10222035

>>10221480

There's a big spectrum between 6 figures. Especially when you're going half a million dollars in debt and giving up your entire 20's, 100K isn't worth doing that. In that instance, I would rather do something else. I believe it's only worth it if doctors make 250K at MINIMUM

>> No.10222212

>>10218367
>How fucked am I for jobs? I graduate in 6 months. Is there ANYTHING I can get with a BA in Biology? How do biology majors get good jobs?
If you want to stay in research and/or science, my advice is work as a tech in an academic lab for a few years. There is not much more you can do. The pay isn't great, but you'll have more autonomy than you would in industry (you'd be pretty much confined to QC-type jobs in small biotechs and CROs). Put in two or three years; help manage a lab, run a project, get your name some on some papers, set-up a collaboration, get a letter of rec or two. This experience will open doors that are not available just out of undergrad.

Did that myself for a few years. First-year out of undergrad, pretty much job-hopped in temp positions at small biotechs. (This was in a huge biotech hub.) Then, got a job as a tech. There were a bunch of us who were in a similar position, just out of undergrad with a BA/BS in biology or molecular biology or biochemistry, whatever, in different labs at the same school. After a few years (and this was about 5 years ago by now), people ended up doing different things. Some went to big pharma or biotech R&D as RAs/SRAs (basically, non-PhD scientist), PhD programs, med school, public health, business development in pharma, technical sales.

>Should I get a Masters in something? I'm definitely not getting a PhD, I might as well go to Med school for all that work. I want a job that makes at least 6 figures
You can make six-figures as a PhD; many PhDs do make that much money. But, there should be other reasons you want to do a PhD besides that.

>> No.10222303

Commit and become a doctor

>> No.10222592

>>10222032
>Listen idiot
I didn't ask /sci/ for career advice because I wasted years of my life doing a BA in Biology, unlike a certain pre-med.

>half a million dollars in debt
>7-9 years of intense studying and life commitments during your 20's
These would have happened regardless, so saying that monetary gain is your sole reason for committing to medicine is stupid.

>so yes I want to go into it only if I know I'll be able to get a 300K+ salary
>I believe it's only worth it if doctors make 250K at MINIMUM
>The BS is more work and needs more science classes that are difficult at my school
You don't like hard work yet think you're worth $250k/year?
>>10218782

>> No.10222825

>>10222592

What do you mean that would happen regardless? I’m saying it wouldn’t be worth it (to me) to go into all that debt and spend all that time if I wasn’t rewarded adequately. Why is it okay for every other worker on the planet to request fair compensation, but doctors are supposed to toil and overwork and not demand more pay at the risk of sounding “selfish” and “in the profession for the wrong reasons”?

And who said I don’t like hard work? There’s a difference between working hard and doing unnecessary work. Getting a BS does nothing to make me more viable for medical school, so why do it? I use that time doing more research and volunteering so I’m a more competitive applicant

>> No.10222885

>>10222825
Look, nobody here likes you. You clearly don't like science. You are in it for the money, and nothing more. You will not get into med school with that attitude and you will not make a good doctor. It would be in your best interest to ask these stupid questions on some premed forum, not on the math and science section of 4chan.

>> No.10222982

>>10222825
You're gonna hate all of the high paying jobs. In math/CS, they're usually locked behind a PhD anyway. The PhD in CS (for anything that matters anyway, mostly theory, filled with math students who wanted to get more funding, and systems, which is booming right now; I am not including the dime a dozen ML researcher) isn't trivial and makes you go down the road in math and science. Obviously the math PhD does this too. The masters programs for CS is a meme unless you go out of your way to take the actual PhD theory courses.

All of the big money jobs include some work. No, you can't just get them by doing volunteer hours. Yes, you will have to learn how to think outside the box. If you don't like it, the best thing you can do is leave and something like business or the trades, both of which have a lot of money attached to them

>> No.10223075

Why would anyone want to go into medicine, seems like a horrible lifestyle. You can’t even enjoy the money you make

>> No.10223539

>>10218759
Same. I saw the gender ratio of my bio classes in the first semester of university and noped out. Anything that is less than 70% male is a brainlet major.

>> No.10223551

>>10220219
>Do you think it's likely that doctor wages will go down to Europoor levels?

I doubt it. I live in socialist Canada and my father made $450,000 last year as a lowly G.P. If that's not enough for you specialists make double that and work less hours.

Doctors still make bank and will always make bank, if I was you I'd take the MCAT and try to get into any M.D or even D.O school that will take you. Don't let your degree, volunteering hours, and research experience go to waste.

>> No.10223554

>>10223551
>I live in socialist Canada and my father made $450,000
That's like $10 in real money right?

>> No.10223557

>>10221805
>In Australia it's all about our GPA, GAMSAT and interview score.

If they did this in America 80% of students at every medical school would be asians. By making people jump through so many hoops and taking race into account (plus allowing a in a couple affirmative action blacks/hispanics) America prevents it's medical schools from being flooded with a tide of chinks with 120 iq and 15 hour per day study schedules.

>> No.10223563

>>10223554
$330k usd.

>> No.10223919

>>10222035
ok OP i assure you GP salaries wont dip below 175k now go be a good brainlet and apply for med school. sheesh.

>> No.10223921

>>10222035
also OP literally what else can you do lmao u have a biology BA... your options are very limited. out of curiosity if you could be doing anything else career-wise what would it be?

>> No.10224034

>>10223921

I would go into another health profession where I can start making money faster and have a better quality of life, like PA (Physician's Assistant)

I only think the hard lifestyle and time spent for medicine is worth it if we are paid a lot

>> No.10224110

>>10224034
And if money wasn't an issue for you what would you be doing?

>> No.10224198

>>10224110
I don’t know. That’s a hypothetical not even worth considering. For a career, income matters.

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