Electrical engineers use the most math

[Anonymous No.10207449]

Electrical engineering is the hardest major. It's a lot harder than physics, math, CS, mechanical engineering or anything else. We use the most math. We do complex analysis and we use a table of fourier transforms.

[Anonymous No.10207455]

that's right friend

[Anonymous No.10207461]

>google table of Fourier transforms
>it actually exists
Well, it is more convenient than deriving by hand every time, I guess.

[Anonymous No.10207466]

>>10207449
Don't forget the convolution integral.

[Anonymous No.10207471]

>>10207461
I don't know why, but doing laplace transforms with tables was an actual thing we learned to do in my EE undergrad

Doing things by tables and characteristic graphs in general was a recurring thing, even in cases when the algebraic method is more than viable

>my face when learning to analyze and construct bode plots as if MATLAB hasn't existed for 50 years

[Anonymous No.10207836]

cs uses more math than EE

[Anonymous No.10207874]

>>10207836
only ML

[Anonymous No.10207902]

>>10207874
algorithm analysis uses crazy amounts of math

[Anonymous No.10207905]

>>10207902
Lmao you CS niggers never learn.

[Anonymous No.10207925]

>>10207449
The math and physics fags on here will shit on us for this but it’s honestly true. A math major is not very difficult at all and neither is a physics major. There is also a lot more material being covered in EE. After elementary calculus, a math major is going to learn some linear algebra, abstract algebra, some real and complex analysis, and some ODE. Then maybe a couple of electives like introductory number theory or PDE. Not only is this not much material (can be covered in 2 years easily) but it’s not very difficult as long as you put in the effort. I like being an EE, we learn a lot of cool stuff.

[Anonymous No.10207957]

>>10207449
CS/Math larper

[Anonymous No.10207973]

>>10207925
Top tier bait, you made it sound believable. 8/10, good job anon.

[Anonymous No.10207985]

>>10207973
>he thinks that was bait
As an EE who very much enjoys pure math I can assure you it was not bait. I am just not retarded and don’t feel like spending 4 years and tens of thousands of dollars on a math degree I can get for $500 worth of textbooks.

[Anonymous No.10208005]

>>10207985
>I am just not retarded
>math majors only learn introductory number theory and PDEs
Pick one and only one

[Anonymous No.10208012]

>>10208005
>he thinks undergrads learn advanced number theory and PDE

[Anonymous No.10208018]

ME is definitely harder than EE at the grad level. Continuum mechanics requires tensor calculus and other math topics on a level way beyond anything an EE would need.

Even at the undergrad level, ME math is significantly harder. Navier-Stokes equation in 3D is no joke.

[Anonymous No.10208020]

>>10208012
>Undergrads don't learn topology, measure theory, functional analysis, stochastic processes or graph theory
>Undergrads don't learn PDEs
This is your brain on engineering

[Anonymous No.10208024]

>>10208012
>math major learning advanced PDEs and number theory
Depends a lot on the uni.
If, of course, you consider a semester of PDEs, Functional Analysis, Fourier Analysis and Dynamical Systems advanced PDEs.

[Anonymous No.10208029]

Wait, are there really retards on here who think EE is harder than physics?

[Anonymous No.10208038]

>>10208020
Whew lad. You mention those topics as if those aren’t commonly taken as electives as I said, not to mention the fact they will be introductory courses that will only give you a superficial look at the topic. You math majors crack me up.

[Anonymous No.10208040]

>muh electrodynamics
>muh antenna engineering
>muh signal processing
>muh mechatronics
>muh embedded programming
Daily reminder than no engineer does all of these in the same career.

[Anonymous No.10208044]

>>10208029
I used to be a physics major. Then I realized it was fucking useless and switched to engineering.
>lol nice cope brainlet
Actually I just didn’t care for the lack of a job market for physics fags.

[Anonymous No.10208045]

>>10208038
>taken as electives
>electives
>math majors taking fucking topology as an elective
I honestly wonder what kind of dumpster your university is

[Anonymous No.10208056]

>>10208045
>I got to a prestigious university so I be super smart and good at maths and stuff
Damn son I can taste the salt from here. It’s okay though, you are just as autistic as all the other math majors I know

[Anonymous No.10208060]

>>10208056
>My EE course is harder because my shit university doesn't teach required classes
Truly a compelling argument.

[Anonymous No.10208068]

undergrad degrees arent hard fuck off retards

[Anonymous No.10208077]

>>10208060
Lol salty mathfag. I’m sure you hope to be a renowned genius someday, just like every other math undergrad who ends up being a nobody

[Anonymous No.10208125]

>>10208077
I am starting to believe electrical engineers have an extreme inferiority complex because of the fact they couldn't cut it in the math department. Without mathematicians that table of fourier transforms that you use to get your degree would not exist so bend over and kiss my feet brainlet peasant.

[Anonymous No.10208135]

EE/physics double major here. My EE classes are a GPA booster. I'd probably have at least a 3.7 GPA if I was just an EE major. :-(

[Anonymous No.10208144]

>>10208125
Truth hurts donut anon? You have never and will never accomplish anything meaningful in math. Even if you get a PhD you will simply slave away for pennies in a post doc hoping for a professorship, and then you can finally do what professors do: teach calc 1 to undergrads who don’t give a shit. Damn it feels good to be an EE.

[Anonymous No.10208160]

>>10208144
jesus christ. stop posting. cringe

[Anonymous No.10208168]

>>10208135
Just stop. I have seen you larping a dozen times spewing the same bullshit. Please fuck off. Only an absolute dumbass would double major EE/physics. There is literally no point

[Anonymous No.10208172]

>>10208144
You really put the exclamation point on how stupid you are. You are hurling through a wet rock in space and you decide to put all your faith into a temporary materialistic possession instead of absolute and objective truth. A brainlet like you couldn't understand this concept which is why you ended up as the cable guy.

[Anonymous No.10208176]

>>10208160
>t. Math major who knows he done fucked up

[Anonymous No.10208178]

>>10208172
>electrical engineers are cable guys
>he thinks I put my faith into material things

[Anonymous No.10208185]

>>10208178
You sure put a lot of faith into that table of fourier transforms. Thank god for the math chads otherwise your degree would not be attainable.

[Anonymous No.10208191]

You cant even SEE electrons, electric engineers are on another level

[Anonymous No.10208198]

>>10208185
>he thinks some of the greatest pure math results weren’t obtained by men trying to study and solve physical problems i.e. engineers and other applied mathematicians
More pure math autism. That’s to be expected though. I don’t put my self worth into my degree. You should try it out some time

[Anonymous No.10208217]

>>10208168
>Only an absolute dumbass would double major EE/physics.
Why do you say that?

[Anonymous No.10208230]

>>10208217
Employers don’t care about the physics major or any other double major or minor for that matter. It is extra work and money for no good reason. Why would you willingly give yourself more coursework and exams? If you want to study physics just buy the textbooks on your own and then you can chill out and read them without worrying about exams.

[Anonymous No.10208234]

>>10208198
Yes. developments in math 200+ years ago were inspired by real world problems. If you werent such a brainlet you would know how far mathematics has come along. Go do a quick google search of published dissertations before you try to cope next time, ok sweetie?

[Anonymous No.10208244]

>>10208198
>I don’t put my self worth into my degree.
kill yourself, actually do it

[Anonymous No.10208246]

>>10208234
>go look at some oddly specific and very obscure research papers that have little to no practical application so you can see how autistic academic mathematicians are today
No thanks

[Anonymous No.10208253]

>>10208246
Then remain ignorant and stop trying to rationalize your inferiority.

[Anonymous No.10208272]

Math and physics majors have higher IQs.

[Anonymous No.10208284]

>>10208272
>CS above 120
No

[Anonymous No.10208286]

>>10208284
>engineering above 100
No

[Anonymous No.10208287]

>>10207449
feels good being a computer engineering fag, Classes easy as fuck and copy paste code for a 140k starting salary while math/physics autists put so much work into class just to live in mommys basement after graduating.
>M-muh intellectual stimulation
get rekt poorfags

[Anonymous No.10208292]

>>10208286
This. Being a cable guy doesn't require a high IQ.

[Anonymous No.10208294]

>>10208287
Yeah but this is something they don’t understand. They will cope and say shit like
>”I’m not doing it for the money it’s my passion brainlet”
Or some shit like that. I’m not a dumbass so picked a degree with good market value. They all seem to think they will be the next big genius and they all turn out to be nobodies.

[Anonymous No.10208298]

>>10208292
>”if I call them cable guys enough it will come true, right guys?”

[Anonymous No.10208304]

>>10208287
Let's be honest. You did computer engineering because you were too dumb for EE.

[Anonymous No.10208306]

>>10208294
Exactly. I got a marketable degree so that I can live a cozy life. I like biology and math a lot so I just read bio/math books in my free time at a cozy country club. Programming isn't bad either, I work in systems engineering so its still pretty stimulating.

[Anonymous No.10208312]

>>10208304
Nah, I mostly did computer engineering for the money. I do agree that EE is a lot harder than CE, but my EE friends all make 80k a year while I make 140k so I'd say it was worth it. After college you don't use shit from your degree and can spend free time learning anything anyways.

[Anonymous No.10208319]

>>10208312
This is so true. You will forget most of the crap you learned and employers know this. This is why on the job training is so important. The only material that will stick with you is he stuff you actually use on the job.

[Anonymous No.10208327]

>>10208319
School just teaches you how to learn. Your ability to be successful on the job depends on how quickly you can learn new concepts.

[Anonymous No.10208449]

>>10207925
t. Calculation Monkey that never went passed diffy eq

[Anonymous No.10208466]

>>10208068
Based and redpilled

[Anonymous No.10208475]

>>10208449
Jokes on you I already passed it biatch. Working on analysis boiiii

[Anonymous No.10208528]

Did undergrad EE and worked for a year and am now in grad school for physics.

I've met a lot of dumb accomplished engineers but not many dumb physicists.

That being said, for the there are a lot of aspects to engineering harder than you'd think. Being good at abstraction and tasks of sheer intellect is not all that goes into engineering, there is a ton of practical knowledge and project management skills. Probably also more emphasis on communication, since otherwise you'll end up solving problems already solved by teammates, autistically wasting time by reinventing the wheel instead of getting real work done.

[Anonymous No.10208534]

>>10208528
Are you in the US? How did you get into a physics grad program? Did you take a couple of upper level physics classes during undergrad?

[Anonymous No.10208824]

>>10207836
>>10207874

Well, in grad school, CS becomes the wild west depending on what topic of research you go into.

Computational topology and quantum computing two examples of CS grad topics that are very math intense.

[Anonymous No.10208881]

>physics majors in charge of not living with their parents

[Anonymous No.10208896]

The real question isn't measuring the godliness of EE, but what specific subgroup of EE is the best.

>power bitches
>digital IC design
>analog
>emag
>nanoelectronics

Clearly EMAG is the best subgroup, as it is the most difficult. Power niggers can suck my phat cock.

[Anonymous No.10208900]

>>10208475
why would you admit that you're still in undergrad after making this stupid thread where you say retarded things sincerely but with a disgustingly sloppy veneer of ironic autism which you can't pull off, hence the veering back into spiteful bombastic sincere bragging.

[Anonymous No.10208983]

>>10208896
what's wrong with power

[Anonymous No.10208994]

>>10208983
The math is a joke

[Anonymous No.10208999]

>>10208018
ME is piss easy

[Anonymous No.10209004]

>>10208896
What about telecommunications and fiber optics?

[Anonymous No.10209007]

>>10208068
Especially american undergrad programs
>>10208135
every fucking thread kek

[Anonymous No.10209014]

>>10208994
How come you're rating the subgroups based on the difficulty of the math?

[Anonymous No.10209028]

>>10209014
>>10209014
Because thats how you judge the usefulness of the major.
Any electrician can do power.

[Anonymous No.10209032]

>>10208994
I agree that power uses less math like subfields like telecom, but we have to take the hardest ME classes (thermodynamics, heat transfer, fluid dynamics) and some advanced physics classes (optics related to solar power, a couple of nuclear physics classes -nuclear power-). At least it's like that at my university. My degree is Electromechanical Engineer, but it's equivalent to a power oriented EE degree.

[Anonymous No.10209064]

>>10208896
#commsgang

[Anonymous No.10209068]

>>10209028
but electric machines and large scale power systems are cool

[Anonymous No.10209094]

lol at the butthurt cable guys in here

[Anonymous No.10209100]

>>10209094
based

[Anonymous No.10209104]

>>10209014
Because sci only cares about how hard it's something.

[Anonymous No.10209140]

>EE uses more math than math majors
???

[Anonymous No.10209213]

>>10209140
as in application via equations

[Anonymous No.10209248]

This is from my meme ranked 400 state public university

[Anonymous No.10209256]

>>10209248
I forgot to mention that our EE program is still ABET certified and our ME is ABET too and they only need calc 1/2 lol, well EE only needs calc 1/2 + one random math option, not sure what real schools require, although I'd say the math route at our school is pretty standard

[Anonymous No.10209344]

>>10208012
Algebraic number theory and analytic number theory are two separate fourth-year courses at my university.

[Anonymous No.10209346]

>>10207925
I'm in my 4th year in a 4 year undergraduate course. These are the subjects I've had
- Analysis 1 (2 semesters; sequences and series, limits of functions, continuity and uniform continuity, differentiation, integration)
- Linear algebra 2 semesters (vector spaces, bilinear forms, inner product spaces...)
- 2 semesters of programming in C (the basics)
- Intro to mathematical logic (deductive logic and the basics of ZFC)
- Geometry 1 (analytic geometry; conics, quadrics, basic spherical geometry)
- Analysis 2 (metric spaces, basics of topology and normed vector spaces, differentiation in normed vector spaces, integration on R^n, uniform convergence of sequences and series of functions, integrals etc, differentiation under the integral sign, basic fourier analysis)
- Axiomatic Euclidean geometry (a medieval course, like, literally starting with axioms and deriving all of absolute geometry from them, and at the end we consider the Playfair axiom and its negation, thus going into Euclidean geometry and hyperbolic geometry, and their differences)
- Algebra 1 (a lot of group theory)
- Discrete mathematics (it was actually just graph theory; Konig's theorem, Ramsey numbers, Kuratowski's theorem and graph planarity etc)
- Intro to computer architecture and organization (a really retarded course)
- Diff. geometry of curves and surfaces
- Intro to numerical mathematics
- Object-oriented programming (it was Java; also retarded)
- Mathematical software (it was just LaTeX... also retarded)
- Measure theory (measures, the Lebesgue integral on a measure space, L^p spaces, complex measures, the Radon-Nikodym theorem)
- 2 semesters of complex analysis (the Cauchy-Riemann equations, Cauchy integral theorem, Liouville's theorem, residue calculus, identity theorem, Morera's theorem, maximum modulus principle, Schwarz's lemma, a lot of other stuff, harmonic functions on the plane, Picard's little theorem and Picard's great theorem, Koebe's 1/4 theorem, stuff like that)
[cont]

[Anonymous No.10209363]

- 2 semesters of topology (the first semester was general topology, the second semester was the basics of homotopy, operations on topological spaces, like suspension, cone etc etc, the fundamental group and the Seifert-van Kampen theorem...)
- 2 semesters of ordinary differential equations, although we did do first-order linear and quasilinear PDE's at the end of the second semester a little bit
- Algebra 2 (some sort-of advanced group theory: Sylow's theorems, the semidirect product, short exact sequences of groups; basic ring theory, mostly commutative rings with unity, domains, ideals, UFD's, localization, ..., some basic field theory, field extensions, the primitive element theorem, stuff like that)
- Intro to number theory (the theme of the course changes every year; the year I took it, the theme was sort of the Riemann zeta function, and we did a bunch of stuff concerning that, mostly to get to the prime number theorem)
- Functional analysis (Banach spaces, Hilbert spaces, a loooooot of stuff on that)
- Algebra 3 (Galois theory, actions of the Galois group on the algebraic elements - the last third of the course was really advanced)
- Projective and affine geometry (as general as possible)
That's the first 3 years.

4th year:
- Differential geometry (intro to manifolds + Riemannian geometry)
- Algebraic topology (mostly homology theory)
- PDEs 1 (wave equation, heat equation, harmonic functions etc. in R^n, not just R^2)
- Intro to mechanics (a really random course; the professor is a fan of symplectic geometry and Morse homology; I'm not sure how I'm going to pass this)
- Probability & stats
- Random topology topic course (it'll be some more advanced homotopy theory this year)
- PDEs 2 (distributions, Sobolev spaces, applications to PDEs)
- Dynamical systems
- Mathematical foundations of quantum mechanics

[Anonymous No.10209368]

>>10207925

>>10209346
>>10209363 here.

So... bruh you're mentally retarded.

[Anonymous No.10209380]

>>10209068
Don't listen to them, they're just stroking egos and spouting bullshit.

[Anonymous No.10209381]

>>10208534
Just get some physics textbooks and ace the PGRE

[Anonymous No.10209382]

>>10209028
Since you're judging the majors by the difficulty of the MATH, shouldn't the, y'know, MATH major be the most difficult and therefore the most based one? I swear you EE's are really simple.

[Anonymous No.10209467]

lol, all u nerds comparing degrees. cable guy here I come

[Anonymous No.10209799]

>>10208534
No, but I studied a lot on my own time.
Practice problems and watch lectures/ read books.

[Anonymous No.10210163]

>>10209368
>be math major
>learn pure mathematics (the hobby for only highest IQ individuals)
>two options
>get barely above minumum wage job out of undergrad
>slave away in grad school hoping to accomplish something while never getting there
Also, no one is buying into your bullshit. I don’t know of a single university that covers that much in undergrad. Maybe in a masters program. Get fucked. Engineering master race out

[Anonymous No.10210169]

>>10209368
>average of 9 classes per semester
ok

[Anonymous No.10210170]

>>10209368
This is well over a hundred credit hours and you include no other courses. Do you go to a European university?

[Anonymous No.10210197]

>>10209346
>>10209363
>>10209368
Um senpai. This is a pure math curriculum for an MIT pure math major. He was basically right

[Anonymous No.10210413]

>>10210197
That seems pretty light

[Anonymous No.10210702]

>>10210413
It is. And this is representative of pretty much every top university’s pure math curriculum. There isn’t that much material, and that’s why the above guy is full of shit

[Anonymous No.10210795]

>>10210702
Some mathematic degrees are generally light because it's common as a "dual degree" with cs/phys/eng. and so on. They really should kill the you can have two degrees in four years.

[Anonymous No.10210816]

>>10210197
>This is a pure math curriculum for an MIT pure math major
Oh shit my curriculum is better than MIT's, feels good.

[Anonymous No.10210823]

>>10208125
Yeah, but it was not created by you, so your argument is kinda moot

[Anonymous No.10210856]

>>10209363
Matf?

[Anonymous No.10210873]

>>10210169
http://www.matf.bg.ac.rs/eng/cp/27/bachelor-studies---mathematics-p--module-theoretical-mathematics-and-applications--p-/

[Anonymous No.10210895]

>>10208040
I literally do all those in my major your fag.

[Anonymous No.10210906]

>>10208125
>Electrical engineers have an inferiority complex becausw they couldnt cut it in the math department

My unis math departament literally begged me to switch to math or at least minor in math.
They also see a prof. Thats an EE as the absolute authority in complex analysis in the uni and mathfags are constantly asking him to review their papers and settle their doubts on the subject.
Said prof. Teaches our complex analysis course and always says that the mathematicians approach to complex analysis albeit rigourous and interesting is inpractical and lengthy so their problems tend to be way easier.

[Anonymous No.10210984]

>>10210873
Those Serbs are insane. That is a ton of material to cover in 4 years and the student is going to forget at least half of it

[Anonymous No.10211122]

Cable guys are fucking stupid. We had some EE minoring in physics. He dropped an upper level physics class on thermodynamics and statistical mechanics. He had no clue what the fuck he was doing.

[Anonymous No.10211171]

My roommate was an Ee major who I respect a lot. I was a math major / physics minor.

His upper division classes were heavily based in linear algebra and complex analysis.

When he saw me working on 400 number theory and em, he said he had no idea how I could figure that stuff out.

We took an intro to proofs class and he didn't do so hot. Now that were graduated, he makes more money than me.

[Anonymous No.10211176]

>>10211122
Nah he probably realized it was an unnecessary class for him to take and he would rather spend that time playing vidya and watching netflix, I know I would

[Anonymous No.10211186]

>>10207925
This is actually true. Math and psychics are harder in material but you guys never have to take 6 core classes with heavy labs in a semester.

I would have zero problem with your hardest undergrad classes if I only had to take 2 or 3 hard classes and a few fluff classes like you guys do.

[Anonymous No.10211188]

>>10209094
BASED
EEs are glorified electricians l m a o

[Anonymous No.10211190]

>>10208029
Class for class physics is harder. For workload EE is way harder

[Anonymous No.10211192]

This thread made me finally realize that /sci/ is entirely college freshmen and high schoolers. I need to leave this place.

[Anonymous No.10211193]

>>10211188
Stop same fagging. You are probably a freshman math major who sucks dick to pay for tuition

[Anonymous No.10211195]

>>10208896
RF/microwave is the hardest by a lot. But there are no jobs

[Anonymous No.10211198]

>>10211193
What a clever response from the glorified electrician. Truly a testament of your ingenuity.

[Anonymous No.10211203]

>>10211186
I'm calling bullshit. Physics and math classes are 4-5 credits each and denser than other 4 credit classes.

8f you're taking 6 core classes, you're either pulling some 30 credit chink magic, or they're all 3 credit do nothing classes.

[Anonymous No.10211209]

>>10210895
>engineer reading comprehension

[Anonymous No.10211254]

>>10211171
>We took an intro to proofs class and he didn't do so hot. Now that were graduated, he makes more money than me.

engineers typically drop off when the math becomes less "regurgitate these formulas and do page long calculations" and more "use these theorems/definitions and argue/apply them properly"

[Anonymous No.10211409]

>>10211254
because the latter requires you to think unlike the former.

engineers, especially EEs aka cable guys, are too retarded for that

[Anonymous No.10211414]

>>10211409
low effort bait

[Anonymous No.10211419]

>>10211414
low iq engie

[Anonymous No.10211679]

ITT

[Anonymous No.10211700]

I'm a grad in computer science doing applied machine learning. I only play with imaginary legos, no math other than writing my legos out as a formula and calculating values to stick in results table.

I'm math inferior

[Anonymous No.10211795]

>>10207449
I object, accountants use the most math.
Only they mostly use adding and sometimes dividing.

[Anonymous No.10211805]

>>10207874
Does ML use something beyond meh-tier real analysis and semi-rigorous Linear Algebra. Like, does Linear Algebra use the notion of module or is it just hurr-durr matrices?

[Anonymous No.10212161]

>>10211409
Imagine being so assblasted that you chose a fucking useless major that you have to post the same dumb insult 1000 times to feel better about yourself.
As a "cable guy" ill be sticking my cable in Stacey in my bmw im able to pay due to my 300k a year salary whilst you fap to traps on 4chan and cry yourself to sleep thinking about fucking virgin queer shit like prime numbers.

[Anonymous No.10212738]

>>10212161
>cable guy Phd
>any job I want
>300k starting

[Anonymous No.10213018]

>>10212161
>>10212738
>samefag
>thinks EEs make 300k

You must be at least 18 to post here.

[Anonymous No.10213039]

>>10213018
samefag

[Anonymous No.10213427]

>>10208312
>Majoring in computer engineering for the money.

Top kek bro this is completely retarded. CE might have higher average salaries than mathematicians, but the ceiling is much lower. Ive known several people with undergrad degrees in math who became actuaries or CPAs and now have million dollar homes, are partners at mid-size firms that have a presense throughout the mid-atlantic, and go to top tier country clubs in the DC metro area. Do you know how many Computer Engineers youd run into in circles like that? Pretty much none - in fact youre more likely to find computer scientists and programmers who make $300k+/year than computer engineers. Shit my dad had an english degree and was making ~$100k/year in the mid nineties after working up to a management position in an arms dealing company. If what you really care about is money, and if you actually have any talent or ambition, it makes a lot more sense to major in something like math or CS, study finance/or management on your own time, and then try to get into investment banking/quantitative analysis or consulting.

[Anonymous No.10213546]

>>10208534
Physics programs pull math, physics, engineering, and (the few from non meme schools anyway) CS majors provided they had good recommendations, research experience, strong grades, etc. Your background is less important than your willingness to jump through the hoops and being competent. I think EE (and really engineering students in general) people here tend to boil people down to what specific background they have, failing to realize that just because their peers chose not to do something that is readily applied in industry, they suddenly have lost footing/a lack of an "proof" that they work hard. It's usually freshman or upperclassmen venting after a hard week.

t. former math undergrad in physics grad

[Anonymous No.10213548]

>>10213546
>t. former math undergrad in physics grad

what exactly are you studying as a physics grad?

[Anonymous No.10213552]

>>10208824
It really depends. There are some systems topics that take only design considerations. Then there are real time systems where you need to be very good at designing systems. understanding hardware and the low abstraction physics to make systems actually work, proofs around scheduling, etc etc. ML theory is pretty cool, and unlike normal ML, you actually get to go hands on into the math. Algorithms always has crazy math. Complexity theory, geometry, topology, quantum information, etc. all have some insane math in there, and there's research readily available online that reflects this. It's not even really discrete math only, either. Just study math (do a math major or math and CS double, focusing on theory + systems and ignoring everything else) in undergrad and jump into the field in grad if it looks interesting

https://arxiv.org/pdf/1305.0453.pdf

[Anonymous No.10213555]

>>10208896
RF is the best subfield. Closest to information theory, and communication will always pose incredibly interesting problems. Signal problems cross into many other fields too.

[Anonymous No.10213563]

>>10207925
>>10211186
Math material is more abstract and complicated but engineering does indeed tend to have a heavier courseload. They are both difficult but for different reasons.

[Anonymous No.10213565]

>>10209248
lol where's the rest of the math? Graph theory and combinatorics as one class? No numerical analysis? No more than one topology class? No higher level mathematical analysis (with measure theory)? My school is like top 20-25 in my country, and I thought our program was lacking, but this is ridiculous.

[Anonymous No.10213570]

>>10213563
I do agree that engineering students generally have a heavier list of things to get done during the semester, but as a lot of my friends have mentioned, a lot of it is fluff to give them background knowledge in <application that might be useful in industry, so we'll mention it once and give you a lab assignment on it>. More is not necessarily harder.

[Anonymous No.10213575]

>>10213548
High energy theory group. Currently doing a paper in quantum information, looking into quantum optics, relativistic quantum theory, and field theories. I like how physics motivates a lot of interesting problems, and I guess I like my domain of problems drawing from (or closer, I suppose is more accurate) an ontology before studying the general, purer cases.

[Anonymous No.10213589]

>>10213575
Did you take any physics courses as undergrad besides the general physics sequence? If you're in the US, did you take the physics GRE?

[Anonymous No.10213961]

>>10213589
Yeah. I took electromagnetism and atomic physics (2 sem), electrodynamics (2 sem), quantum mechanics (2 sem), only 1 sem of higher mechanics, and mathematical physics. I unfortunately didn't get enough time to do any statistical mechanics (really thermo), more fluids, etc.

Yeah, I took the physics GRE, scored either a 90 or 89

[Anonymous No.10214090]

>>10213565
I just checked. The degree requires 20 electives in which they offer pretty much all of what you listed. It's a 3rd tier uni with 10,000 students with probably less than a 100 pursuing a math degree so obviously it's not going to compare to a top 25uni.

[Anonymous No.10214785]

>>10210816
>go to university focused on research
>wonder why they have so much free time
hmm

[Anonymous No.10215169]

>>10207449
I did math and EE in undergrad, and Im working on math phd now. EE requires very little mah at the undergrad level. The most you need is multivariable calc for E&M. I remember taking signals and systems and Control Systems and all the EEs complained the Diff Eqs are hard despite the fact we always used Laplace Transforms to turn everything into high school level algebra problems. To be honest as long as you arent learning disabled you could do EE undergrad without too much trouble.

[Anonymous No.10215214]

>>10208306
>>10208312
what's your career like?

[Tuba Jam !!+Q/vU207C0N No.10215217]

>>10208528
why did you go to grad school for physics?

[Tuba Jam !!+Q/vU207C0N No.10215225]

>>10213427
does quantitative analysis really have the potential? most of the quant analysis jobs I see have around 70-90k salaries.

[Anonymous No.10215736]

>>10215169
I'm a physics major looking to pick up a second major that's practical and can get me a job.

Would it be easier to do physics/CS or physics/EE?

[Anonymous No.10215740]

>>10215736
EE

[Anonymous No.10216240]

>>10215169
/sci has a skewed perspective of the average human. A person with an IQ of <110 would struggle to complete an EE degree.

"The arbitrary cut-off to indicate learning disabilities is 70". Do you know how dumb a person with a 70 IQ is? A person with an IQ of 70 is too stupid to follow even simple instructions or to do basically any job. Even too stupid for manual labour.

[Anonymous No.10216259]

>>10216240
>A person with an IQ of <110 would struggle to complete an EE degree.

HAHAHA! Not at all.

[Anonymous No.10216323]

>>10209028
You didn't even mention controls which has the most math, by that logic it is the best. Which I agree with

[Anonymous No.10216326]

>>10216259
womp womp bait

[Anonymous No.10216332]

>>10213427
This is the stupidest fucking comment in the entire thread. Here I'll show you what it would be like if there was anyone else here as retarded as you:
>Why would you major in actuarial math or CS? If you really care about money then major in business administration. Sure, the average salary for CS is higher, but theres some people that got a business degree who are billionaires and are CEOs.

[Anonymous No.10216351]

>>10215736
EE, CS is for monkeys that can't do math.

[Anonymous No.10216359]

>>10216351
yeah i agree but which one is easier?

[Anonymous No.10216361]

>>10216359
EE

[Anonymous No.10216414]

>>10215169
EE here, we had a couple physics majors in my signals and systems class. Prof assigned a single matlab assignment to write a DFT algorithm. took me five hours to complete. The physics major started talking to me about the assignment after class and said she had wasted days on it and gotten no where. I eventually had to write most of it for her.

Who cares if were allowed to use tables. Is integration supposed to be difficult? EEs are interested in using math as a tool to develop technology, not masturbate over the beauty of knot theory

[Anonymous No.10216419]

>>10216414
>EE here
Stopped reading

[Anonymous No.10216596]

>>10215169
>EE requires very little mah at the undergrad level. The most you need is multivariable calc for E&M.
Does your uni not require taking field theory in undergrad? That and electrodynamics is essentially applied vector differential calculus.

[Anonymous No.10216600]

>>10216596
Dumb engineer

[Anonymous No.10216785]

>>10216419
>>10216600
samenigger

[Anonymous No.10216786]

>>10216414
>he doesn't beat his meat to knot theory
Kill yourself.

[Anonymous No.10216811]

>>10208144
>>10208160
CS fag here who regrets going into CS. Sorry but EE is the most based major there is. Every EE major I've known is extremely smart and successful. I have so much respect for EE students. Studying just math is retarded and futile. More retarded than CS even. I wish I could change to EE but I don't want my thousands of dollars spent on CS classes to go down the drain. Math is cool and all, and most sci/tech majors need a bunch of it, but just studying math? Fuck that

[Anonymous No.10216812]

>>10216811
Not to mention, my college offers so many opportunities for EE students. Scholarships, paid internships, you name it.

[Anonymous No.10216821]

>>10207836
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, no.

[Anonymous No.10216827]

>>10216811
t. cs fag ironically pretending to be an engineer pretending to be a cs major
In all honesty too many layers to be funny.

[Anonymous No.10216829]

>>10216827
I never claimed I thought I was anything like an engineer, faggot. Butthurt detected

[Anonymous No.10216832]

>>10216829
Nice reading comprehension, retard

[Anonymous No.10216838]

>>10216832
You word shit horribly, then.

[Anonymous No.10216845]

>>10216838
That wasn't me, retard.

[Anonymous No.10216949]

3rd year EE I like controls but I am not great at coding, my lowest marks were in C/C++ and I shit the bed on my VHDL final. I really like Matlab though.

What discipline should I go into? Is control too coding heavy? Should I focus on analog, power, or RF?

[Anonymous No.10218462]

>>10207449
no

[Anonymous No.10218495]

>>10207449
nice strawman, nobody said EE is the hardest major because it uses the most math (physics and obviously math are worse). However it's still the most math intensive engineering discipline, that combined with an engineering major's workload is what makes it the hardest major, I don't know why people get so butthurt when this is pointed out.

[Anonymous No.10218499]

>>10218495
>However it's still the most math intensive engineering discipline
nope

mechanical and aerospace engineering definitely have more math

[Anonymous No.10218505]

>>10216949
definitely don't go into imbedded systems. if your good at EM you could be an antenna engineer for the upcoming 5G cash cow

[Anonymous No.10218507]

>>10218499
HAHAH
my mech friend didn't even know what a z transform was

[Anonymous No.10218696]

>>10218499
>mechanical and aerospace engineering definitely have more math
HAHAHAHAHAAHAHAAAAA

[Anonymous No.10218703]

>>10207449
I noticed that there is a huge problem in the papers and clarity in engineering domains. I am a pure & applied math major with industry experience. I've help my brother with his engineering math, and I'm baffled by how topics are presented. They learn things like Laplace transform, Fourier transform by rote, without understanding why or what they are doing. The worst is, they don't provide crisp definitions. For example, they introduce Fourier transform to undergrads, by just showing a formula, and most students end up confused. It's presented in the most asinine way, with talking about sound wave something something and harmonics bullshit.

A Fourier series is a basis decomposition of some function f(x). The discrete transform is used when you don't know f(x) but have a set of samples. So you fill it in piece wise constant, and do the decomp/integration. Was that so difficult to explain? I see this in industry too often. Engineers don't clearly formulate what they are doing, and end up introducing complicated equations.

In short, engineering papers are annoying to read, since you end up trying to reverse engineer what they are trying to do, formulate it so that it's super clear. Most of the time what they did is crap, and there is a better way to do it. The math culture is seriously lacking in engineering.

[Anonymous No.10219113]

>>10208172
>objective
>thinks math is pure objective truth
>clearly has no grasp of axiomatic set theory

[Anonymous No.10219124]

>>10218703
Why do these fags try to brag about shit any nigger could do in Wolfram Alpha?
On the other hand, I just failed the cunty google CAPTCHA.

[Anonymous No.10219185]

>>10207461
>Well, it is more convenient than deriving by hand every time, I guess.
That's literally how every useful class for engineering is set up.

1) do the simple ones by hand
2) do a few hard ones, see how god awful it is
3) use a table/short method

It applies to other classes too. When learning Calculus derivatives they teach using the difference quotient. I feel they don't adequately explain the practical significance and logic behind it (an algebraic form of slope), but it's there. Usually with each one they show the trick or rules which make it explicable, so you learn more techniques and more stuff. I was thinking0 the other day, in physics when they introduced Special Relativity, I think, there were only two rules: there is a max speed (light) and it is a constant. Out of those two rules you can get the lambda equation: 1/sqrt( 1 - v^2/c^2).

I miss learning.

>>10207925
>>10209346
>>10213563
I think a perspective on EE: It covers a lot more strategies and knowledge because of the scope of electricity. With Math, if you get better at symbolic manipulation and learning rule sets, you'll be better in the next classes (like how Calc I leads to Calc II). Statistics programming courses have bullshit to do with Applied Electromagnetics. The circuit courses have shit to do with the signal analysis. Even the goddamn analog circuit courses have little to do with the digital logic courses, in terms of cross-class knowledge and skills.

[Anonymous No.10219191]

>>10215736
Physics/CS is the literal Research path. Physics/EE is an Industrial path.

>>10216811
EE is a broad category, so it can be hard to find a job with little to no experience, personally speaking. I had a job literally Monday after graduating, and lost it when the company couldn't pay salary. Haven't had a job since. I apply to plenty of places locally and outside, and I've only had one job offer that fell through because I was trying CBD oil at the time and they thought I was a pothead.