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Can we confirm or deny the existence of other forces beyond the 4 fundamental forces (weak, strong, electromagnetic, gravity)? For example, how do we know that there arent interactions unique to dark matter that our normal everyday matter doesnt participate in?

>> No.10206081

>>10206080
I don't know do I look like a fucking scientist faggot? I do math. People use my math to be autistic and circlejerk over vague theoretical concepts. Then I go to sleep with my 300K salary slip and wake up to create more circlejerk-ng. Alphas thrive for a reason faggot.

>> No.10206088

Proving nonexistence is basically impossible, and is not how empiricism works.

The evidence for the Standard Model is overwhelming, which is what we really mean when we say there are four fundamental interactions.

>> No.10206110

>>10206080
>how do we know that there arent interactions unique to dark matter that our normal everyday matter doesnt participate in?
We don't.
https://arxiv.org/search/?query=fifth+force&searchtype=all

>> No.10206321

>>10206088
is there a form of negative empiricism that can be applied though? We can never know *for sure* but we can use tools to learn and get likelyhood near certain that some things don't exist.

As for OPs question, no, we can't yet. We can be sure that there are no major influences, so dark matter definitely cannot be responsible for any forces you experience in every day life.

>> No.10206392

>>10206080
if they do exist, they don't affect us
https://youtu.be/x26a-ztpQs8?t=20m30s

>> No.10206795

>>10206392
>>10206321
Thats what I mean. Obviously our physics are well accounted by the above forces, but with dark matter this stuff is fair game, right? It only interacts with us weakly, but it could have all sorts of crazy interactions with itself.

>> No.10206801

>>10206080
sorry it is like CIA

>> No.10206908

>>10206321
>is there a form of negative empiricism that can be applied though?
Yes! "Negation", or "what it is not". An absence cannot be reified, aka "something with no properties is not "empirical".
Example's:
Empirical evidence will lead you yo believe a "shadow" cast by an object is a thing that can be reified. Why? Simply because it is "measurable", "observable" and you can feel a difference "created" by it. However by negation we can see that the shadow is simply the absence of light. "The absence of something is a thing" is not logically sound because it's the same as saying "Something that is imaginative, unreal and is essentially not there has a basis in reality". The shadow is simply caused by the absence of light, therefore empirically a "shadow" is not a thing in itself or by itself. It is "less light", caused by light.

>> No.10207012

>>10206080
>how do we know that there arent interactions unique to dark matter that our normal everyday matter doesnt participate in?
Dark matter probably does have some sort of interactions , but they would be very weak. Think about SUSY dark matter: the LSP is the major constituent of DM and all the other superpartners are even more massive, so their interactions are suppressed by the SUSY breaking scale.

>> No.10207064

>>10206081
Please provide mathematical proof for these claims.

>> No.10208494

>>10206080
Gravity is an illusion, it's an accelerated reference frame. We just don't understand why the acceleration of the earth up to us occurs, because we don't understand why and how space and time curvature warps.

>> No.10208542

>>10208494
That's wrong though. GR is pseudoscience.

>> No.10209525

>>10206081

You post this in EVERY thread. MATH PHD, 300k. Prove it faggot

>> No.10209542

>>10206088
The standard model is flawed. There are evidence of particles outside of it.

>>10206795
Dark matter probably doesn't exist. http://theconversation.com/bizarre-dark-fluid-with-negative-mass-could-dominate-the-universe-what-my-research-suggests-107922

This dark fluid explains all the pieces that were missing and it seems that it interacts a lot more with mass than it seems.