/sci/ - Science & Math

[Anonymous No.10200836]

Eternal nothingness is a meme. It is impossible not to experience anything for eternity.

[Anonymous No.10201039]

Cope

[Anonymous No.10201065]

>>10200836
What do you think you were doing before you were born?

[Anonymous No.10201071]

>>10201065
Entering existence, thanks for proving my point

[Anonymous No.10201076]

>>10201071
So 13 billion years of oblivion is what you consider “entering existence”?

[Anonymous No.10201080]

>>10201076
hey man entering existence is hard, I'd like to see you do it faster.

[Anonymous No.10201081]

>>10201071
Burst out laughing. Not entirely sure why.

>What was this screw doing before it was a screw?
>Hypothetical big bang
>Lot of stuff
>Star
>Supernova
>Molten rock
>Eventually deposits of ore
>Mined
>Transported
>Refined
>Manufactured into a screw
>It was waiting to become a screw all along.
The question really is what the screw is waiting to become.

[Anonymous No.10201085]

>>10201071
Et homo factus est.

[Anonymous No.10201162]

>>10201065
From your perspective, you’ll have always existed. Even if a billion years separate your lives, your consciousness doesn’t know the difference. You could have died and immediately been brought back. You will be alive forever.

[Anonymous No.10201179]

>>10201085
I will borrow this wojack for posterity my good man

[Anonymous No.10201183]

>>10201065
>not remembering means not existing
stfu baka the head of my cock has more iq than jew *you

[Anonymous No.10201195]

>>10201085
Optimized.

[Anonymous No.10201213]

>>10200836
Correct. This is because perception is an experience.

[Anonymous No.10201216]

>>10201195
What is the difference?

[Anonymous No.10201221]

>>10201195
based

[Anonymous No.10201238]

>>10200836
There is a reason humans gain their self-awareness gradually. Otherwise they would lose their minds

[Anonymous No.10201247]

>>10201216
-Stripped alpha channel and replaced with tRNS chunk
-Tried a few scanline filter selection heuristics and applied the best
-Generated a new deflate stream with the new image data

[Anonymous No.10201258]

>>10201065
So because I can't remember anything from before, nothing happened? I can't remember shit from last tuesday because I got fucking wasted, but does that mean nothing happened?

[Anonymous No.10201309]

>>10200836

It is if you don't exist.

[Anonymous No.10201690]

>>10201085
who are you calling a homo

[Anonymous No.10201744]

If we don't Irvine anything after brain death.

Wouldn't eternity feel like nothing?

And when the universe recombines itself, after almost an infinite Amount of time we will instantly find ourselves in our pysical minds once again.

[Anonymous No.10201746]

>>10201744
>Irvine
>*Feel

[Anonymous No.10201964]

>>10201247
Why?

[Sage No.10201965]

>>10201081
A 3 foot iron dragon dildo

>checkmate atheists

[Anonymous No.10201971]

>>10201744
Why would it be the same consciousness again?
It's clearly a different instance of it so it maybe won't be (You) again. Who says that you "survive" sleep? Your cons. dies and a new one wakes up with the memories and brain confiq of the old one.
Day for day.

[Anonymous No.10202014]

>>10201076
Relative to him, it was an instant, there is no global time in oblivion you goober

[Anonymous No.10202025]

>>10200836
It is impossible to experience anything if you don't exist. You will not exist for eternity.

[Anonymous No.10202031]

>>10200836
Prove it

[Anonymous No.10202032]

>>10200836
i though this was /sci/ not /x/. Fuck off

[Anonymous No.10202043]

>>10202025
Hence the need to exist man, non existence gets so boring after a while. There is a reason you wake up every morning as a happy man.

[Anonymous No.10202045]

>>10202032
/x/ Is where /sci/ goes when nobody else is looking

[Anonymous No.10202046]

>>10202043
Boring for whom?

[Anonymous No.10202053]

>>10202046
For everyone alive rn, otherwise you would

[Anonymous No.10202067]

>>10202053
Everyone alive already exists though. You said non-existence gets boring.

[Anonymous No.10202151]

>>10202067
Exactly, why else would existence exist if non existence was better? Why would the natural order of non existence be disrupted with an existing universe if the universe decided it was better to not exist?

[Anonymous No.10202157]

>>10200836
eternity itself is the real meme, time is a property of our universe, it had a beginning and will end.

[Anonymous No.10202164]

>>10202157
Kek, Where you are going you don't need time.

[Anonymous No.10202233]

>>10200836
Noooo, i hate existing

[Anonymous No.10202822]

>>10200836
>nothingness is a meme
Lrn2meme fgt pls

[Anonymous No.10202883]

>>10200836
No consciousness = no experience

[Anonymous No.10202951]

the reason fort this is that nothingness is timeless. what will happen is that enough time will pass and your soul will be remade by life again in one million trillion years, and it will feel like no time passed at all. hence you never experience nothing, but the intermittent moments between such experience are arbitrary.

[Anonymous No.10202977]

>>10202951
Sort of like gandalf

[Anonymous No.10203000]

>>10201247
This is the first time I've seen you actually reply to someone's question, I was starting to think you were a bot

[Anonymous No.10203051]

>>10202977
correct little hobbit

[Anonymous No.10203074]

>>10200836
this is a good point actually.
Although nothingness obviously must exist, it's impossible to experience the nothingness from the perspective of a being that has consciousness. I've always thought that the idea of transitioning peacefully into oblivion is philosophically impossible. I figure what happens is that your brain shelters your mind from the experience of nothingness by creating an increasingly warped version of reality as it asymptotically approaches the abyss. In other words, if you shoot yourself in the head, you never actually get to experience nothingness. You just end up perpetually experiencing the state of mind created by the infinitesimal steps of your mind's destruction as the bullet enters your brain. Instead of experiencing nothingness, you would spend eternity living out the experience that constitutes your mind at the last possible instant before your brain can no longer functionally support perception. It's probably a worse hell than anybody can possibly imagine.

It makes no philosophical sense to assume that you can just "relieve yourself" of experience and transfer into oblivion. I suspect that if you want to get out of the matrix, you need to shut your brain down according to a specific sequence such that the last infinitessimal step before brain death resembles nothingness closely enough that your perception can be tricked into nonexistence.

I think there's better reason to believe that suicide sends you to hell for eternity than that it gets you out of the matrix.

[Anonymous No.10203083]

Honestly this is just much ado about nothing.

[Anonymous No.10203116]

>>10201195
this >>10203000

Now you're like the mailman of 4Chan, delivering those crisp optimizations and everyone can recognize you by your sexual aura

[Anonymous No.10203244]

>>10203074
I fear the same thing which is probably my biggest motivator for not killing myself.

[Anonymous No.10203261]

>>10203244
yup. If you think about it, killing yourself is an objectively terrible idea. My drug-induced schizophrenia has me 80% convinced that I'm living in a false reality and killing myself is the easy way out, but I've thought about the logic and I'm still convinced I need to play out the game until the end. When I get old, I'm gonna study the art of dying and hopefully I'll figure out how to get out of the matrix, but one thing is certain: killing yourself can't do it. I bet when you pull the trigger, you just exist in an eternal reality that's similar to being raped with knives while high on DMT.

[Anonymous No.10203266]

>>10203261
holy fuck, I came to pretty much the same conclusion about reality and death after a few trips on acid. this is spooky

[Anonymous No.10203291]

>>10203266
yeah, acid always made it seem pretty clear to me that you should never violate the categorical imperative. I don't understand those fucks who jump out of windows and shit on acid.

[Anonymous No.10204684]

>>10203291
What if someone dies a painful death for reasons beyond their control? Are they fucked for eternity too?

[Anonymous No.10204710]

>>10200836
>It is impossible not to experience anything for eternity.
You're not experiencing anything though. You're done experiencing things until you momentarily pop back into existence as a boltzman brain in 10^fucloadofzeroes years.

[Anonymous No.10204824]

Consciousness operates at the speed of light. That's why it's a mystery to us. When you die, you are no longer slowed by mass. You move at the speed of light and the universe becomes timeless.

[Anonymous No.10205278]

>>10201065

There was never a time when I, you, or these kings did not exist; nor shall we ever cease to exist in the future.

[Anonymous No.10205429]

>>10204824
except it doesn't holy fuck the absolute state of this board

[Anonymous No.10205449]

>>10204684
>What if someone dies a painful death for reasons beyond their control? Are they fucked for eternity too?
I kinda suspect they might be, but then again maybe dying by surprise in an accident triggers some phenomenon that gets you out of it.

Still, I have this suspicion that the only way to get out of the matrix is to get old as fuck and then go into the forest and meditate until you slowly starve and plants start growing out of you and shit.

I think it's like, once you get pulled out of oblivion into the meat world, the challenge of experiencing an artful death is just an inherent part of your existence.

[Anonymous No.10205456]

>>10204710
*you* never don't experience anything. The concept of the self is inseperable from experience. The point is that you can never perceive the transition into oblivion from your own perspective, so for our purposes, experiencing nothingness is effectively impossible.

[Anonymous No.10205463]

>>10204824
>>10205278
this actually kind of makes sense. A 3 dimensional experience along an asymmetric time axis is the hallmark of living human experience. It must go away when you die. It makes sense that timelessness is what would occur when you die, and loss of connection to massive material is a kind of tempting explanation.

[Anonymous No.10205849]

>>10203074
you can lose consciousness within your lifespan. dying could just be like that, only that it is forever

[Anonymous No.10205882]

>>10205429
Prove it

[Anonymous No.10205901]

>>10205849
>dying could just be like that, only that it is forever
Every time we've lost consciousness we've gained it back though. Trying to imagine an instant where we didn't is impossible.

[Anonymous No.10205937]

>>10205901
So in the end the "we don't know what happens after death" meme is still a truth?
Or maybe we "know", but we don't know what it could actually feel like at all?
Jesus fuck when does the ride end?
Oh wait...

[Anonymous No.10206078]

Bump for interest

[Anonymous No.10206135]

So I'm doomed to feel forever...

[Anonymous No.10206416]

>>10200836
0;

[Anonymous No.10206624]

>>10206416

Hmmm

[Anonymous No.10208229]

Doesn't infinite universes make reincarnation a statistical certainty?

[Anonymous No.10208233]

>>10200836
From a purely empirical point of view, the only things we can remember are the things where we have had experience. So if you believe in the scientific method, then you must doubt the existence of non-existence.

[Anonymous No.10208249]

here are two things we know. The time before birth and the time after death are the same for an individual. They do not exist. They were either not born yet, or they've returned to the earth in the form of a lifeless sack of meat. But "they" are not here in both cases. So why the fuck am I here when I could've kept not existing? So from this, we know it's possible to come into existence and come out of existence. My parents fucked and I am the result. So what is the nature of all existence? The answer is love, OP. Love is the answer.

[Anonymous No.10208251]

>>10208229
No, how could it?

[Anonymous No.10208260]

>>10208249
False
We know that before birth and time after the PRESENT MOMENT are not experienced.

Just because you don't remember something, doesn't mean you weren't experiencing it in the moment that happened. Just like how dreams always occur, but you don't remember many of them.

[Anonymous No.10208290]

>>10208260

>We know that before birth and time after the PRESENT MOMENT are not experienced.

What are you refuting here m8. Reread the first two sentences in my post. The individual you are now is nonexistent before birth and after death. Of course you can't experience shit. You're not here. Ty for saying you can only experience the present. i thought I was fucking weird for experiencing the future

>Just because you don't remember something, doesn't mean you weren't experiencing it in the moment that happened. Just like how dreams always occur, but you don't remember many of them.

10/10

[Anonymous No.10208356]

>>10208251
sheer chance down the line.