Why is Latin America's scientific output so low?

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Anonymous Fri Dec 7 18:54:07 2018 No.10197688 [Reply] [Original]

Why is Latin America's scientific output so low?

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 7 18:57:21 2018 No.10197697 >>10197688 warm weather breeds morons

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 7 18:58:40 2018 No.10197703 racio-cognitive profile

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 7 19:01:08 2018 No.10197710 >>10197697 >Singapore >Israel >Australia Not necessarily.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 7 19:09:31 2018 No.10197722 >>10197710 all populated by persons originating in cold/temperate regions.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 7 19:16:22 2018 No.10197735 >>10197722 >Israel and Singapore are populated by people originating in cold/temperate regions >>10197710 >implying any of these three has good scientific output

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 7 20:18:03 2018 No.10197881 Mixing of different races and the iberian culture favoring adventure/low effort entrepreneurship rather than hard work. There's a Brazilian book called The Roots of Brazil which explains how part of Latin American Society became what it is today.

Anonymous Fri Dec 7 20:25:41 2018 No.10197900

>>10197688
Education mainly
Majority of people on those countries will know how many times a pop artist went to the bathroom in a day but won't know the name of people contributing to science (or health) other than Einstein
>inb4 called racist
I'm mexican

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 7 20:29:10 2018 No.10197907 >>10197900 that's true everywhere

Anonymous Fri Dec 7 20:34:35 2018 No.10197918

>>10197907
Yeah, but it's pretty heavy in here, where the goverment is willing to pay lazy people for not working
Also, there's the theory of the "repressed latino" where supposedly we aren't as great as first world countries because of our past, when we were conquered by europe in the 1500's

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 7 20:35:16 2018 No.10197920 >>10197900 >thinking you'll be called racist for that >on 4chan

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 7 20:44:30 2018 No.10197951 >>10197900 wow, what an incredibly bigoted and racist statement.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 7 20:46:59 2018 No.10197960 >>10197688 >Juan Maldacena >born in Argentina >most cited physicist of all time >studied in US and works in US it’s called the brain drain for a reason

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 7 20:48:57 2018 No.10197965 >>10197960 Is Maldacena famous in Argentina? He did undergrad in Argentina. He's also still Catholic.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 7 20:49:02 2018 No.10197966 >>10197697 >south means warm weather Lmaoing at you right now Also, argentina’s output is fairly high

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 7 20:49:18 2018 No.10197967 >>10197900 Please don't bring racism to this christian website

Anonymous Fri Dec 7 20:50:04 2018 No.10197970

>>10197688
Literally >>10197960
I see students from there come over to North America, and why wouldn't they? That's where you'll find the best work environment. It's not like Europe/China/Japan where even domestically your country offers some pretty great opportunities.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 7 20:58:01 2018 No.10197995 >>10197688 Colombian here, most of the people here are more interested in paying for food and rent than in advancing human knowledge

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 7 21:02:01 2018 No.10198005 >>10197920 >>10197951 >>10197967 I'm fucking retarded, guess those social ethics classes are affecting me way more than expected >>10197960 Pretty much this, for the environment, tech and number of people adequate for teaching and doing the job right

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 7 21:03:39 2018 No.10198008 File: 88 KB, 448x448, proxy.duckduckgo.com.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10197697 >warm weather

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 7 21:04:41 2018 No.10198011 >>10197722 Moron.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 7 21:09:02 2018 No.10198024 >>10197697 Then how does California have the best universities in the entire United States?

Anonymous Fri Dec 7 21:10:36 2018 No.10198026

>>10197688
because the average IQ is 89 and standard deviation for males is only 8.1 points the top 2% of the population have an IQ of 105.2, this is based off of PISA scores. I read it in "Intelligence Measurement and School Performance in Latin America: A Report..."

Anonymous Fri Dec 7 21:10:38 2018 No.10198027

>>10197735
>Singapore
literal Han immigrants not native to that country
>Israel
Ashkenazim whose inordinately high iq's developed in Germany, France and Eastern Europe not in the Middle East where they were only marginally more intelligent than Arabs and Persians
>>10198011
>>10198008
retarded lemming

Anonymous Fri Dec 7 21:12:03 2018 No.10198030

>>10198024
>tfw princeton, harvard, and yale btfo stanford and caltech and berzerkeley
not to mention penn, columbia, cornell, brown, all the liberal arts schools you ever heard of (williams, amherst, swarthmore, vassar), dartmouth, nyu, even fucking rutgers. Ed Witten went to fucking Brandeis

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 7 21:13:28 2018 No.10198032 >>10198024 Only Stanford and Caltech are among the "best". U.C. Berkeley, UCLA, etc are equivalent to any other state school

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 7 21:13:52 2018 No.10198034 actually neurons work better in the cold, that is why people with multiple sclerosis get confused and cannot move limbs when it is too hot

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 7 21:15:05 2018 No.10198036 >>10198030 oh wait i forgot MIT. anyhow, west coast BTFO by northeast

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 7 21:18:29 2018 No.10198038 File: 61 KB, 2137x852, Race and IQ.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 7 21:20:09 2018 No.10198039 >>10197688 native americans and slaves

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 7 21:20:10 2018 No.10198040 >>10198038 All I see is that the gap is closing fast. Affirmative action FTW.

Anonymous Fri Dec 7 21:23:03 2018 No.10198047

>>10198038
how is the average not 100, and how does it increase over time, if IQ is supposed to be normalized to average intelligence?

obviously humans today are smarter on average than humans in pre-socratic ancient greece, but apparently the psychologists believe you can "normalize" that away. so obviously your pic is not using a standard measure of "normalized" IQ.

in any case i'm just trying to show why IQ is a stupid psych meme, not real science. so yeah, IQ posters are trolls and IQ believers are mensa faggots

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 7 21:27:10 2018 No.10198055 >>10198047 >obviously humans today are smarter on average than humans in pre-socratic ancient Greece Not really, we are only "smarter" due to neuroplasticity and collective learning. Go to the third world and see what I mean.

Anonymous Fri Dec 7 21:30:37 2018 No.10198060

>>10198055
so what's your point then? some psychologist BS about "there is inherent intelligence, which we cannot measure scientifically, but we conjecture to be true, but we can measure how good you are at anagrams and word searches and crossword puzzles, and that sort of intelligence increases over time -- by the way that is what really amounts to TRUE, RAW, INTELLIGENCE according to us -- so yeah we can normalize that sort of intelligence to estimate inherent intelligence, because we as psychologists are all geniuses with 297 IQs and we can just put everyone onto OUR SCALE OF INTELLIGENCE because WE PSYCHOLOGISTS ARE THE SMARTEST

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 7 21:31:47 2018 No.10198064 File: 71 KB, 733x226, Screenshot_2018-12-07_21-31-22.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10198032 >U.C. Berkeley, UCLA, etc are equivalent to any other state school nope

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 7 21:32:20 2018 No.10198065 >>10198038 I don't understand this table. How is it that the average IQ from 1978 to 2012 only increased by 1.5 points when the average IQ of every race rose by more than that? Significantly more, for every race except white.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 7 21:32:37 2018 No.10198066 >>10198064 UCLA isn't even as good as USC bro

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 7 21:33:06 2018 No.10198069 >>10198065 Demographic changes.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 7 21:34:06 2018 No.10198073 >>10197688 Their cultures breed dumb people. Also, it doesn't help that their average IQ is like 87.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 7 21:35:00 2018 No.10198076 >>10198073 >>>/pol/

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 7 21:37:32 2018 No.10198082 >>10198076 nothing that I said was a lie and I'm not afraid of hurting other people's feelings.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 7 22:44:08 2018 No.10198254 >>10198030 How is this true at all?

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 7 22:45:10 2018 No.10198259 File: 25 KB, 400x386, 1492025333254.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10198032 >U.C. Berkeley, UCLA, etc are equivalent to any other state school MASSIVE COPE

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 7 22:50:19 2018 No.10198267 >>10198259 They're on the level of Michigan, Texas, University of Illinois, Virginia, North Carolina, Georgia Tech, and William & Mary.

Anonymous Fri Dec 7 22:51:19 2018 No.10198272

>>10197688
>Unstable
>Corrupt
>Extreme factions
>Low economic output
>Target of disruption by US intelligence spooks
>Economic demand for drugs in the US gives cartels more resources than governments get from their meager tax revenue, to the point that where there are cartel zones that collect their own taxes, in other words, defacto independent states not recognized by the government
>Sky high murder rates
Argentina is fine though.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 7 22:55:49 2018 No.10198281 >>10198254 how about you look up the rankings? northeast schools>>>>west coast schools is unanimous

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 00:35:45 2018 No.10198454 >>10197967 >christian website topkek

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 01:11:43 2018 No.10198508 >>10197688 we would rather relax while wh*Tes and yellows work themselves to death inventing things for us

>>	El Arcón Sat Dec 8 01:14:54 2018 No.10198512 Juan Maldacena

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 01:16:26 2018 No.10198514 >>10198508 This

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 01:38:02 2018 No.10198533 Socialism*

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 02:12:23 2018 No.10198600 >tener trabajo después de estudiar algún campo científico >vivir en méxico elige uno

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 02:19:56 2018 No.10198613 >>10197710 >Singapore is filled with tards >Isreal only exists because they stole land from mudshits >Abos are even more dumb than niggers

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 02:42:38 2018 No.10198636 >>10197688 >mfw people actually think spending money on science is gonna make our country better It's a third world thing I guess. We are doomed to be average, and people here are comfortable with it.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 02:45:44 2018 No.10198642 File: 72 KB, 495x353, PIÑERALOL.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10198636 Forgot pic

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 04:59:34 2018 No.10198680 >>10197966 correct south america=warm weather >inb4muh andes low oxygen levels are also bad for you, you can tell by the obtuse features developed by people in high mountainous regions

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 05:03:06 2018 No.10198686 File: 57 KB, 500x375, Xsa0Drz.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10198082 >I'm not afraid of hurting other people's feelings.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 05:08:28 2018 No.10198690 It's because of capitalism. We need communism for research

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 05:46:58 2018 No.10198729 >>10198690 >We need communism for research >>10198686

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 14:50:29 2018 No.10199681 >>10198690 Google spends $20 billion per year on basic research. Probably more than Latin America all together.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 15:57:37 2018 No.10199839 Low quality of life makes graduates flee their countries. Academia pays shitty everywhere so you might as well go to a place where you won't get murdered for an iPhone.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 16:24:06 2018 No.10199922 >>10197697 homo sapien rised in african savanna

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 16:34:51 2018 No.10199958 >>10197688 >be me >Argentinian >studying science >argentina gov cuts out public school and mainly, science department budget >can barely study and thinking about chaung majors so i can at least not starve to death take your guess why it is so low kek

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 16:47:39 2018 No.10199989 >>10197688 We are pretty dumb and not interested in science. The few interested don't have money to do shit https://www.telesurenglish.net/news/Colombias-Massive-March-For-Public-Education-20181011-0016.html

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 17:04:19 2018 No.10200033 >>10197688 Big corps need the cheep labor, so they are downshifting and slowing progress in developing countries.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 17:38:00 2018 No.10200110 why the pol

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 19:13:57 2018 No.10200327 >>10198073 Actually Amerindians have more civilization potential than europeans. How is this hard to get?

Anonymous Sat Dec 8 19:34:05 2018 No.10200358

>>10197688
Lack of immigration from countries suffering brain drain. Ask yourself if there are any significant American-born academics and the answer is no, the best mathematicians are European or Chinese in the case of Terrence Tao. Counting only natives, Brazil outputs more than the USA in mathematics due to the IMPA.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 19:41:44 2018 No.10200384 >>10197697 How do you explain Greeks and Israelis then? https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S175115771630253X

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 20:22:44 2018 No.10200483 Maturana work in biology is quite based tho

Anonymous Sat Dec 8 20:27:54 2018 No.10200492

>>10197688
Fucking all the people in this thread thinking so hard and not even noticing you could say the same about the Iberian peninsula. The reason the sci output of Spanish/Portugese America is so low- isn't helped by there being a lot of blacks/mixed, by being poor, by being hot, etc. but- the reason is "Spanish/Portugese"

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 9 01:49:10 2018 No.10201196 >>10200492 By that logic Jamaica must have more scientific output than the Dominican Republic. Somebody confirm this.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 9 05:28:18 2018 No.10201481 >>10197965 Kinda. People who reads newspapers probably knows him.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 9 05:32:00 2018 No.10201489 >>10199958 Argentina is an exception tho he have plenty of important scientists. He could have more cause our universities are pretty good, but we are fucked up cause our highschools are really shitty and most teenagers are dumb lefties nowadays.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 9 05:32:40 2018 No.10201490 File: 3.23 MB, 1536x2048, 1543977569120.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10197688 No budget. Also any smart human being would run away form those third world shitholes and radicate in a first world country.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 9 05:40:52 2018 No.10201499 File: 48 KB, 640x640, 1516376114098.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] its going to happen. south America will be the saviour of the white race.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 9 18:44:59 2018 No.10203128 >>10201489 Argentina is basically a European country.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 9 19:03:51 2018 No.10203189 Because the goverment have other bigger issues than to invest in universities. t. Colombian also, we focus on other stuff, like literature, music and soccer.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 9 19:10:49 2018 No.10203218 >>10203189 like chopping down the rainforest?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 9 19:12:53 2018 No.10203228 >>10203218 that's more to make paddocks for cattle for mcdonalds. so blame whites.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 9 19:13:02 2018 No.10203229 >>10203189 >types like a 10 year old >we focus on other things like entertainment

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 9 19:15:32 2018 No.10203242 >>10203228 Seriously though what's the point? It's not like rainforest soil is actually good, I'm sure you have to dump tons of fertilizer on it just to get a yield, is it really that profitable?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 9 19:16:31 2018 No.10203247 >>10203229 >10 year old care to explain why my english is poor, faglord? >>10203242 I have no clue, that's what I hear why they're chopping down it.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 9 19:43:16 2018 No.10203304 >>10203247 not that guy. your english is terrible, no offense

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 9 19:48:29 2018 No.10203320 Latin America produces tons of good research in the life sciences

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 9 19:49:35 2018 No.10203325 File: 54 KB, 600x423, cal-golden-bears-logo.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10198032 >UC Berkeley equivalent to any other state school Found the Flyover StateU faggot

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 9 19:51:03 2018 No.10203330 >>10203304 care to explain what am I doing wrong?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 9 19:55:54 2018 No.10203344 the clergy keeps people stupid by ensuring they stay illiterate, superstitious, and backwards just compare rural mexico to urban mexico, the latter has things like hospitals and libraries while the former only has churches

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 9 19:57:42 2018 No.10203348 >>10203344 >muh church t. reddit fedora that doesn't know the catholic church has the best scientific universities and best scientific scholars of all religions.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 9 19:57:43 2018 No.10203349 >>10198064 the last set of accomplishments are laughable, more scientific research comes out of UW than Berkeley

Anonymous Sun Dec 9 20:12:25 2018 No.10203392

>>10203189
Literature my fucking ass. My kid goes to sapanish school and it is hard as hell to find authentic kids' books. I ask about about a hundred Mexicans at work and they say that they don't read. Just a bunch of ripoff translations of doctor sues. Don't even fucking rhyme in Spanish. How hard is it to write some fucking kids books? I ask and the answer is: there is no market for that stuff. The racial thing isn't even a good excuse. Beaners ain't that dumb. What the fuck?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 9 20:17:59 2018 No.10203405 >>10203392 latinoamerican literature has bigger impact on world literature than snownigger (pol master rice). ask on /lit/ for recomendations. latinoamerica has bigger lit output than northen europe.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 9 20:24:15 2018 No.10203416 >>10203344 You have absolutely no idea about what you're talking about. I live in a shithole country in latin america and the only young people that seems interested in education are the ''real'' christian ones.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 9 20:26:27 2018 No.10203423 >>10203344 You have no idea what you're talking about. I live in a shithole country in latin america and the only young people that seems interested in education are the ''real'' christian ones.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 9 20:27:25 2018 No.10203425 You need to have a university to get the science bonus from jungle tiles

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 9 20:35:48 2018 No.10203438 >>10197697 Good thing I am pengoon lole

Anonymous Sun Dec 9 20:39:33 2018 No.10203445

>>10198024
If you think about it logically, the "people there" or the ones who evolved there were American Indians. They lived as pastoral nomads for thousands of years, the people who attend the top unis there tend to be majority east asian, northern European, or (((Semitic))). Some poojeets as well, but normally those are lighter skinned with Caucasian facial geometry.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 9 21:21:00 2018 No.10203513 >>10197688 Anybody valuable comes to the US

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 9 21:25:38 2018 No.10203526 >>10197688 la creatura

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 10 11:09:42 2018 No.10204742 >>10203513 Artur Avila splits time between Brazil and France. America is just a meme country these days. Nobody goes to live there anymore.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 10 12:01:15 2018 No.10204855 >>10198690 This but unironically.

Anonymous Mon Dec 10 12:09:06 2018 No.10204870

>>10198027
Han chinese is basically like calling all of Europe Europeans and same race. Most of people from Singapore are Hokkien Chinese which live in Southern parts of China

>>10198040
Affirmative action doesn't make you smarter

>>10198065
Flynn effect. Wh*teoids will be slaves, kangs will rice from ashes and lead the world in the future

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 10 12:23:11 2018 No.10204899 >>10204870 Northern Han and Southern Han are the same race. Different ethnic group, same race

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 10 12:25:03 2018 No.10204905 File: 77 KB, 645x729, 1514372316891.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10204899 yes, and Japanese and Filipinos are same race too. They are Asians

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 10 12:26:00 2018 No.10204908 >>10203330 >>10203189 Not either of those guys but >the goverment have >other bigger >>10203513 No, thanks. If I wanted to be chopped in pieces by cartels, I would have stayed in Mexico.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 10 20:08:37 2018 No.10205895 >>10204870 >Affirmative action doesn't make you smarter Not at once, but over generations it does.

Anonymous Mon Dec 10 20:10:30 2018 No.10205899

>>10204870
Southern China and the eastern coast of China neither of which are tropical climates
>>10204905
No they’re both sinic you don’t know what you’re going on about. Han have much less genetic distance between their subpopulations than malay and thai do

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 10 20:11:33 2018 No.10205902 >>10204905 meant to say Japanese and Filipinos, which is even dumber than the misreading i responded to >>10205895 It has raised black iq by about 5 points in 40 years

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 10 20:43:07 2018 No.10205954 Literal low IQ of the population, not more or less.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 10 20:44:54 2018 No.10205957 >>10197688 I'd wager relatively low median wealth and catholicism are key factors.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 10 20:53:39 2018 No.10205972 >>10198272 Is it tho? We have a nice scientific output but the budget the goverment gives science is lower every year. That would be fine if we had paid universities that aren't shit but thats not the case.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 11 00:11:15 2018 No.10206224 >>10197688 High corruption which leads to university that creates communist propagandists that don't really care about science. They don't let the private companies work with them, so it's easier to corrupt everything. I'm a brazilian.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 11 00:29:42 2018 No.10206254 >>10205902 Yes, they are. They're both mongoloids.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 11 15:03:48 2018 No.10207398 >>10205957 Catholicism didn't hold back Europe.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 11 15:55:23 2018 No.10207490 Low IQ.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 11 23:33:23 2018 No.10208734 >>10199922 The only ones that 'rised' above mud huts and persistent failure at all things that require brains are the ones who left for colder areas and kept evolving.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 11 23:41:51 2018 No.10208748 Genetics. They're all dumb as rocks over there.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 11 23:51:21 2018 No.10208762 >>10197710 Give it a few hundred more years and they will regress to the mean for warm weather regions.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 11 23:58:24 2018 No.10208775 >>10197688 capitalism

Anonymous Wed Dec 12 02:46:17 2018 No.10209153

>>10197688
I'm going to disagree with you there. There have been a lot of ideas and methods that come from Latin America. the problem really is your too lazy too look up. In Mexico there are various companies leading the research in orthopedic instruments and internal prothesis materials. Birthcontrol was invented by a Latin American. Various medicines have been discovered by regional ethnomedical researchers, but then their findings are exported/outsourced to USA because of money. A boy from my town was hired by NASA at the age of 17 for finding a more efficient way in picking up some kind of cosmic radiation. It is not a matter of brain but funding and was is called "brain exportation" or "brain flight" in my country. Don't let your ignorance gas you up.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 12 02:54:54 2018 No.10209168 >>10200327 >How is this hard to get? By the fact that in the real world proves that's wrong. Reality. How is this hard to get? Genetics. Genetics. That's what matters in the end.

Anonymous Wed Dec 12 04:53:57 2018 No.10209319

>>10197688
Amerindians developed every technology more rapidly than Europeans.
>europeans
>from aurignacian proto-gravettian to solutrean:10000 years (30000BC-20000BC)
>from aurignacian-antelian to start of crop development: 9000 years(30000BC-21000BC)
>from start of crop development to neolithic revolution: 10500 years (21000BC-10500BC)
>from neolithic revolution to earliest use of copper: 5500 years (10500BC-5000BC)
>from neolithic revolution to earliest use of tin bronze: 6700 years (10500BC-3800BC)

>Amerindians:
>from aurignacian proto-gravettian to clovis: 5500 years (16000BC-10500BC)
>from aurignacian proto-gravettian to the start of crop development: 5000 years (16000BC-11000BC)
>from start of crop development to neolithic revolution: 7000 years (11000BC-4000BC)
>from neolithic revolution to copper: 3000 years (4000BC-1000BC)
>from neolithic revolution to earliest use of tin bronze: 4700 years (4000BC-700 AD)

-"2003a. Tiwanaku Period (Middle Horizon) bronze metallurgy in the lake Titicaca basin: A preliminary assessment. En Tiwanaku and its hinterland, T 2. A. Kolata, (Ed.), pp. 404-434. Smithsonian Institution Press, Washington D. C."
-"1997. El bronce arsenical y el Horizonte Medio. En Arqueología, antropología e historia en los Andes: Homenaje a María Rostworowski, R. Varón y J. Flores E. (Eds.), pp. 153-186. Instituto de Estudios Peruanos, Lima."
-"https://www.researchgate.net/publication/317346941_Ancient_metalworking_in_South_America_A_3000-year-old_copper_mask_from_the_Argentinian_Andes";
-"Historia de América Andina: Las sociedades aborígenes"
-"https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2FBF02859340";
-"http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0141923";
-"http://whc.unesco.org/en/tentativelists/1873/";
-"https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paleoamericano";
-"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bluefish_Caves";
Therefore Amerindians have more civilization potential than europeans.

How is this hard to get?

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 12 05:16:59 2018 No.10209339 File: 16 KB, 625x626, 1451061069797186040.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10208775

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 12 06:31:26 2018 No.10209421 >>10209339 Communism was never tried in South America

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 12 06:40:38 2018 No.10209433 >>10209339 mutant has one pair of legs too few

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 12 08:14:28 2018 No.10209552 >>10209339 It is true. Capitalism failed brutally in South America.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 12 08:20:43 2018 No.10209559 >>10198038 >Study uses 17 year olds Yep, there's your problem. Set it to 21 and older and you should see a larger Black-White gap.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 12 08:21:31 2018 No.10209560 >>10209168 Refuted by>>10209319 Deal with it, subhuman.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 12 08:22:34 2018 No.10209562 >>10209552 >What is Chile

Anonymous Wed Dec 12 08:22:43 2018 No.10209564

>>10197688
It is actually very high. I work with several foreigners with offices around Latin America whom are always looking for new inventions. They come from everywhere and say there is no place like it. One just bought rights and patented the invention. Paid like $8m. Patented it somewhere else. The seller is happy he needed quick money and not slow returns.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 12 08:26:03 2018 No.10209570 >>10209319 Don't Africans have the highest civilisation potential then? They won't from teetering around the iron age to the digital era in ~200 years.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 12 08:27:06 2018 No.10209573 >>10209570 *They went from teetering

Anonymous Wed Dec 12 08:28:06 2018 No.10209574
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>>10209421 >>10209552
>Communism was never tried in South America
Venezuela
>Not Communist

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCz1x5-tgig

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1UUCyoKlIs

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 12 08:36:09 2018 No.10209589 >>10197688 very low population

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 12 08:40:10 2018 No.10209595 >>10209574 >Venezuela >Communistic Oh, sweetie. >Jordan Peterson >Stefan Moleyneux OH NO NO NO

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 12 08:42:10 2018 No.10209599 File: 37 KB, 600x800, Microphone.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10209595 Cough Clears throat Ahem >Steps towards the microphone >Tap tap >Whispers ..."Not an argument..."

Anonymous Wed Dec 12 08:43:18 2018 No.10209602

I know these are just opinions but there are some very uneducated opinions in this thread.

There are multiple reasons: Low income makes people focus more on surviving than making scientific progress, low budget for universities and govt funded research demotivates people, truly intelligent scientists flee to first world countries and shitty basic education makes IQ drop by a couple of digits.

T. brazilian.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 12 08:44:46 2018 No.10209604 >>10209570 All Amerindian facts listed were developes by Amerindians.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 12 08:49:31 2018 No.10209610 >>10209599 Your source is as shit as Richard Lynn

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 12 08:50:48 2018 No.10209613 ping pong ching chong is all you need to know

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 12 08:51:20 2018 No.10209614 >>10209562 An outlier

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 12 08:56:02 2018 No.10209620 >>10197710 But you just backed up his argument

Anonymous Wed Dec 12 08:58:32 2018 No.10209622
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>>10209614

>Communism always fails when tried
>As soon as Pinochet implements free market reforms the Chilean miracle occurs

>Th-that's just a fluke!

>>10209610

Richard Lynn is a B- as far as sources go so I don't consider that to be a criticism.

He engages in some motivated reasoning in some areas but he's most controversial findings have been replicated. The most notable being his finding of an average Sub-Saharan African iq of 70 which was independently verified by Rushton, using different methods no less, in South Africa.

Also, before you accuse Rushton of bias, he was assisted by Bantu South Africans in administering and completing these tests.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1mgrTGeDPM

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 12 08:58:35 2018 No.10209623 >>10209319 based and redpilled

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 12 08:59:35 2018 No.10209625 >>10209622 *but his most controversial Sorry, I tend to make typos and so on when I'm tired.

Anonymous Wed Dec 12 09:06:02 2018 No.10209630

>>10197688
It's quite simple, population is low, everything is extremely centralized, university is not free: americans complain about university being expensive, but at least there are resources that allow them to attend university, and there's also community college and whatnot. Education is so far down the priorities ladder that unless you're from a rich family and/or work a full time job while simultaneously getting all A's, you're never gonna make it in science, let alone getting published. Since this is 4chan you might attribute it to "hurrdurr spics R dum", I come from south america, I had to move to scandinavia a couple of years ago. I attended university while still learning the language (BSc degrees are given in the native language, not english), and I graduated with honors.

It boils down to lack of resources, and people not giving enough of a shit. Actually the resources are there, but they're in the hands of a very select few.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 12 09:07:05 2018 No.10209632 >>10209421 you have to be unstoppably retarded to utter something like this

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 12 09:16:24 2018 No.10209642 >>10209599 I'm sorry, but you implying Venezuela is something that it isn't and a clip of two goofs saying "Wow lmao, communism killed like millions haha lets not try thaaat again! YIKES!" is not really an argument either.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 12 09:17:21 2018 No.10209644 >>10209622 Richard Lynn and Rushtons findings adjusted for corruption show subsaharan Africans have an average IQ of 92.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 12 09:18:58 2018 No.10209647 >>10209644 That sounds interesting, who did these calculations?

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 12 09:23:06 2018 No.10209651 honestly the ching chong ping pong argument wins out here, it's over, all return to your homes

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 12 09:51:37 2018 No.10209698 >>10209630 >It's quite simple, population is low, everything is extremely centralized, university is not free speak for yourself, in argentina its free

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 12 09:53:16 2018 No.10209701 >>10209574 It was also tried in chile and it was very succesful until the CIA tried to attack it. Its also succesful in Cuba where iliteracy, vagrancy, unemployment child mortality and malnutrition are all vastly lower than in the us.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 12 10:11:44 2018 No.10209732 >>10197688 Because we export our geniuses

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 12 10:12:49 2018 No.10209735 >>10209630 Universities are free in Brasil and really cheap on Paraguay and Bolivia

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 12 10:19:16 2018 No.10209744 >>10206224 t. 13 year old that believes in gay kit

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 12 10:58:50 2018 No.10209798 >>10209622 >Also, before you accuse Rushton of bias, he was assisted by Bantu South Africans in administering and completing these tests. This has nothing to do with cherrypicking test results

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 12 11:00:45 2018 No.10209800 >>10209735 also free in argentina

Anonymous Wed Dec 12 11:02:07 2018 No.10209804

>>10209632
No, you only need to have learned history from books rather than from the internet.

steppy step N°1: realize that you havent read a history book that wasnt for high school

steppy steper step number nambaaah (the namber is) 2: realize that you do not know about the subject

step 3: two choices: choice a) stop talking choice b)start to get an education

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 12 11:06:56 2018 No.10209820 >>10209744 You're the one that looks like a 13 years old. Do you really believe that the state should provide you and people everything? Most of the american university work with joint ventures and yes, a capitalistic approach.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 12 11:35:27 2018 No.10209864 >>10198272 This. Actually tho.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 12 14:21:34 2018 No.10210295 >>10209559 It would be smaller actually.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 12 14:55:01 2018 No.10210390 >>10209602 Dick Feynman taught in Brazil in the 50's, his assessment was the schools were obsessed with rote memorization but never understood the reasoning

Anonymous Wed Dec 12 15:02:45 2018 No.10210412 [DELETED]

>>10209732
>Because we export our geniuses
Unironically this the Brain Drain.

Latin America's only math field medal is living in France.

The best Latin American Researchers, Scientists, Medical Doctors, Engineers & Intellectuals are currently living in USA, Europe, Canada or Australia.

The political & economical instability make the smartest Hispanics run away from Home.

I'm a CS undergrad in Brazil right now. Working overseas is very attractive to us.

Although there are pros staying here. There is support from Relatives, Less racism or Cultural Shock.
But if my home country turn very bad such as Venezuela, I'd be forced to leave.

Anonymous Wed Dec 12 15:04:08 2018 No.10210414

>>10209732
>Because we export our geniuses
Unironically this ... the Brain Drain.

Latin America's only math field medal is living in France.
The best Latin American Researchers, Scientists, Medical Doctors, Engineers & Intellectuals are currently living in USA, Europe, Canada or Australia.
The political & economical instability make the smartest Hispanics run away from Home.

I'm a CS undergrad in Brazil right now. Working overseas is very attractive to us Hispanic Stemfags.
Although there are pros staying here. There is support from Relatives, Less racism or Cultural Shock.
But if my home country turn very bad such as Venezuela, I'd be forced to leave.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 12 15:04:40 2018 No.10210416 >>10210412 >I'm a CS kek

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 12 15:11:48 2018 No.10210434 >>10210416 >I'm a CS In Brazil 2nd best Uni. Certainly better than the level of some of yours USA Flyover State meme Unis.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 12 15:17:53 2018 No.10210446 >>10210434 CS is a meme everywhere

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 12 15:33:44 2018 No.10210488 >>10210414 But burgerland is already very bad, dude. And they lie about everything, especially salary. They think deception is a norm and how things should be.

Anonymous Wed Dec 12 16:08:31 2018 No.10210569

>>10209552
>>10209642
>government can seize any private organization at any time
>every single last moderately economic decision, notably those made by private organizations that are trying to act out their own business, is subject to a democratic vote
>income tax at 34% if you make more than (what currently equates to) $54 annually, corporate tax up to 34% (might work the same way as income tax, dunno)
>not only "not socialist", but *capitalist*
if they paid you more, would you guys write better posts?

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 12 16:19:52 2018 No.10210591 >>10209559 it'd be smaller, probably.

Anonymous Wed Dec 12 16:38:11 2018 No.10210655

I can talk about Brazil. Of course, the pardo population has indeed a lower IQ, but the people who end up in the academia are whites, asians and jews. The performance should be much higher than it is, so what is the problem?
Here, the only universities that fund serious research are the public ones. Each course receives a rank by a federal entity called CAPES. The lowest is 3 (if you fall under that they cut your budget) and the highest is 7 (you receive a relative infinite budget). This score is measured by how many articles are published, and how many research programs you are currently running.

There are some really stupid rules that foment corruption. So for example, CAPES is not independent. If a course has finally achieved the requirements to ascend from 6 to 7, the departments who are in the 7 tier can decide if that 6 department can rise or not. The problem is, that the 7 tiered departments don't want anyone to ascend to their tier, because they will end up sharing the same budget. So there is hardcore lobbying 24/7. The medicine department from university X is basically an enemy of the medicine department of university Y. As an example, when the Economy department from UFPR ascended to the 7th tier, it was like if Brazil had won the FIFA world cup.

If CAPES gives you a budget of ten million, but you do not use a million, cause there were no research programs worthy of the money, CAPES will punish you, by cutting your budget to 9 million forever. Universities are then encouraged to fund the shittiest research programs you can imagine. UFBA is known for having some prime examples of this. They are in the most black, and the lowest IQ state. There is this case, where they funded a research about "gay orgies in public restrooms".
1/2

Anonymous Wed Dec 12 16:48:36 2018 No.10210678

>>10210655
So, instead of funding promising researchers in hard sciences, the government is focused on wasting money on humanities departments countrywide, who __NEVER__ published anything decent in the last 50 years. That's why our researchers flee to the US, France and Germany.

All my professors had their PhD program in the USA. Some co-published with really important people in their areas. Some are involved in state-of-the-art research, but they always end up as co-researchers for an article credited to an Ivy-league college.

So as far as I can say, we do have a relevant amount of (co)published articles, but they always end up hidden in northern hemisphere Universities statistics.

2/2

Anonymous Wed Dec 12 17:26:04 2018 No.10210773
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>>10197688
It's probably for the best that it is so low, otherwise you'd have more inept scientists like picture related - "Professor" Kerr, native to Brazil, crossbred bees and created the Africanized killer bee. He then let it escape where they traveled throughout the Americas and became an invasive species, killing thousands of people and generally fucking shit up.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 12 19:11:34 2018 No.10210971 >>10210773 >MUH BEEES big deal

Anonymous Wed Dec 12 19:47:33 2018 No.10211051

>>10210773
All honey bees before the africanized bee were invasive species, you obtuse mutt. Honey production went up and hives became more resistant to plagues thanks to that crossbreeding.

Anyone too dumb to die by >bees shouldn't be alive in the first place.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 12 20:16:03 2018 No.10211108 >>10197688 We're on the third world. As if that wasn't obvious enough.

Anonymous Thu Dec 13 02:12:51 2018 No.10211539

>>10209564
Believe it or not all together in Latin America there is more money for research than in countries like India (over populated; little space) altogether. China, over populated and not enough money for training everyone. Plus living expense is growing. Perhaps Japan and South Korea are more balanced. Most Latin Americans live in inherited homes. Sure there is lots of poverty but there is more than enough open sectors like agriculture, forestry, chemical. Of course you have to have a desire and liking for those things. You don’t usually hear them talk about things because Latin Americans don’t care about developing research or ideas. You just need to go to the right areas. Where there’s people with time and land and dedication. Many live stress free and dedicate time to their hobbies. And when it’s all done they sell it to whomever wants to buy it. They prefer lump sum. Many Latin Americans after their civil wars got their green cards in the US by selling their research and inventions in groups.

Anonymous Thu Dec 13 02:15:46 2018 No.10211543

>>10211539
You see those metal alloys the Germans used for their vessels. They were from Latin America brokered through Spain. They would build faux shipyards to order allow sheets and instead of building the ships they’d build submarines with them. Use cheaper material for their ships.

Anonymous Thu Dec 13 02:25:09 2018 No.10211551

>>10211543
Plus Latin America is said to be overpopulated. Some speculate the population to be 3bn. Family sizes are bigger. It may not be a top destination to migrate to like the US. But there is always business potential and the outlook isn’t so bad for foreigners plus living is cheaper.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 13 02:26:11 2018 No.10211555 >>10211551 US is just a plane flight to Mexico or Bahamas.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 13 02:31:10 2018 No.10211559 >>10197722 But breed in warm weather

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 13 02:46:57 2018 No.10211587 >>10205902 >It has raised black iq by about 5 points in 40 years That's a pretty outrageous claim. Can you cite some research

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 13 07:16:08 2018 No.10211926 File: 123 KB, 537x536, 1512099347973.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10198026 >105.2 >top 2% I've never put too much weight in IQ, but goddamn that's pretty bad.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 13 09:57:44 2018 No.10212060 >>10211551 >3bn Wut

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 13 16:36:29 2018 No.10212900 >>10207398 You sure about that? It is my understanding that the advances of the enlightenment happened in protestant countries.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 13 17:12:02 2018 No.10212996 >>10198272 >>10205972 >>10209864 >>10205972 brotip reminder: peronist goverment funded the most technolgoy, we got hte pulqui plain, glorious leader cristina fernadnez funded the space program, it was evil capitalist macri who stopped it

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 13 17:21:23 2018 No.10213011 >>10197900 kys you're only saying "im mexican" to further clarify that you aren't a racist, as if not being white gives you more credibility to not being racist you clearly believe only whites can be racist

Anonymous Thu Dec 13 17:32:19 2018 No.10213035

>>10209574
capitalism has never been tried

-us what are you doing?
-capitalism
-so you have free market and no goverment intervention?
-No actually we have a centralized goverment almost bigger than the ussr.
-Well but surely you only use that goverment for things that are good for all the peopl
-Lol no, we use the goverment mainly for corrupt defense companies and to bail out banks and car companies.
-Well then surely if you claim your system is the best then you have the best standard of living.
-Actually literacy, housing, child mortality, nutrition and healthcare accesibility is all vastly better even in a poor country like cuba
-Well then surely you got freedom of speech
-Oh no!, even tough we claim communsim is obviously evil, if you dont agree with us will ban you, everything is permitted in the us except that which is not.
-Well then surely at least you dont bother anyone else to keep your capitalistic corrupt hellhole alive.
-Oh of course we do! we need 3/4 of the world sunken into extreme poverty working for us or our system does not work at all. To do that we regularly impose dictatorships on foreign soils, we assasinate people and torture any innocent who wants to help their country, we do evil stuff all the time, cia files are even declassified for everyone to look but since our propaganda machine is so prevalent we dont even need to worry about the records that objectively show how the us literally taught goverments how to torture babies.
-wow shit your evil
-yeah kid watcha gonna do about it

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 13 17:44:46 2018 No.10213062 >>10213035 national socialism never had a real "test period" since it only existed during a time of war

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 13 17:48:27 2018 No.10213073 >>10213062 what do nazis have anything to do with? that was a very critical objective critique to free market capitalism

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 13 17:51:51 2018 No.10213082 >>10213073 nat soc is the only major form of government that hasnt had its "try"

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 13 17:52:07 2018 No.10213084 >>10209820 If you ever gone into a brazillian university you would know that we get our research money from private companies

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 13 17:55:44 2018 No.10213087 >>10210655 >>10210678 haha le niggers are bad amirite look how cool i am

Anonymous Thu Dec 13 17:59:59 2018 No.10213105

>>10213082
>nat soc is the only major form of government that hasnt had its "try"
nac soc is a form of goverment that needs war, without constant war it doesnt work
>>10210655
>Of course, the pardo population has indeed a lower IQ

>sink a certain ethnic group into poverty and misery via constant discrimination
>after several generations of piss poor standards of living and knowing that intelligence is mostly related to habitat conditions have the balls to claim that its related to race
>?
>profit

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 13 18:02:01 2018 No.10213110 >>10210655 >where they funded a research about "gay orgies in public restrooms". That's actually pretty good research.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 13 18:02:49 2018 No.10213112 >>10213035 based

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 13 18:03:20 2018 No.10213113 >>10213105 Blacks never had any power in Brazil so every single fuckup in Brazil is due to it's so called white population messing up.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 13 18:03:27 2018 No.10213115 Why is the Western World's scientific output so shitty?

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 13 18:03:57 2018 No.10213116 >>10197688 Isnt cartel alchemist a STEM job?

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 13 18:07:04 2018 No.10213123 >>10213105 war is bad, especially for germany then

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 13 18:07:25 2018 No.10213124 >>10213115 asians have more people >>10213116 yes

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 13 18:13:09 2018 No.10213141 >>10213087 Cope.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 13 18:20:18 2018 No.10213159 >>10197688 We tried to take some satellites to space right after the us said they did not want us to have a space program and our rocket magically exploded and killed the engineers

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 13 20:34:01 2018 No.10213440 >>10198272 Hit the nail on the head right here. Why doesn't Argentina just conquer all of Latin America?

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 13 21:08:33 2018 No.10213494 >>10197881 >iberian culture favoring adventure/low effort entrepreneurship rather than hard work. this. Look at the scientific output of incas, aztecz, mayans...

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 13 21:11:24 2018 No.10213499 >>10198600 >learning English

Anonymous Thu Dec 13 21:20:23 2018 No.10213511

>>10208734
>what is Ancient China
>What is Ancient Egypt
>What is Ancient Rome
>What us Ancient Persia
>What is Ancient India

I could do on for hours. The stupid /pol/ race realist theory about cold climate resulting in higher IQ and great civilizations is a meme.

Anonymous Thu Dec 13 21:26:28 2018 No.10213531

>>10213440
because its NOT true.
its sad to see whats happening in argentina they have been downhill since the 90s thanks to lefty-communist policies, now Macri is trying to "put it together" but he's failing, the task is just too big. btw i'm chilean, for us argentina and venezuela are prime examples on how NOT TO DO THINGS.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 13 22:22:28 2018 No.10213643 >>10198060 who hurt you

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 13 22:33:57 2018 No.10213682 >>10213643 Scientism is a mental disorder as you can see

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 13 23:20:33 2018 No.10213834 Lack of money, low IQ, corruption, high criminal rates, brain drain and so on Latin american countries have people capable of doing research, the environment is what creates the difficulty of increasing the output

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 13 23:28:23 2018 No.10213855 >>10198272 What about students and workers protests in Argentina?

Anonymous Thu Dec 13 23:38:00 2018 No.10213884

>>10213011
Not really, I just didn't want to look bad (which is stupid and pointless because I forgot I was posting on 4chan(nel))
And I'm not really into the "aLl wHiTEs arE RaScIStS" thing because, fun fact, we are more rascists than a lot of countries; we have so many stereotypical jokes and names for everyone and think "it's ok to make/say that stuff" due to our education

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 14 11:32:54 2018 No.10214762 File: 171 KB, 1276x750, south-american demo.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10213440 >Why doesn't Argentina just conquer all of Latin America That would fuck things up the second that everyone got voting rights, which is inevitable.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 14 13:24:58 2018 No.10214948 >>10213035 >t. euroshit Why don´t you move to cuba, you pinko imbecile. They´ve got more than enough books, housing, food and healthcare for you to survive for a lifetime.

Anonymous Fri Dec 14 20:39:50 2018 No.10216018

>>10214948
>Why don´t you move to cuba
Because thats not my country, i love my country its language and its people, thats a concept that a dirty neoliberalist like you could never understand:

capitalism: inhuman evil people who would kill even their mothers for a bit more profit

communism: logical glorious ideology of people who ever read a book to improve hapines for all

Anonymous Fri Dec 14 21:33:06 2018 No.10216114
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>Burn all of the literature, historical records, poetry, and academic works of native complex civilizations
>systematically dismantle their culture and society
>have 95% of the populatiion die from diseases
>have the rest be treated as near-slaves and exploitative for labor and kept poor and uneducated
>have corruption prone colonial administrative system

>wonder why region becomes a corrupt shithole

If Aliens landed in ancient greece, death ray'd every library in the region, murdered 95% of the population, and kept them in poverty for 200 years, europe would be just as bad

Anonymous Fri Dec 14 22:03:11 2018 No.10216162

>>10197688
>Why is Latin America's scientific output so low?

I very much enjoyed vacationing in South America. The entire atmosphere there is so relaxing, and invigorating. So full of life.

The people there, enjoy life. Very different from the USA living the rat-race.

Anonymous Fri Dec 14 22:19:49 2018 No.10216180
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>>10209701
here's the thing about collectivism:
>created the CIA, along with every other unconstitutional government institution (that we can presumably both agree is objectively a burden to mankind)
>forces you, if you deal in anything of economic value, to pay for things that you don't want any part in, lest you feel like spending your entire life in jail
>funded every war where each country's most handsome and able-bodied men with the best genetics were conscripted and sent to die early, frequently before they had children or were able to express their thoughts and ideas through the free market and in literature—and those who survived and were physically unharmed still often had to deal with PTSD, which affected their enjoyment of life and parenting (and, again, was all at their initial expense to begin with)
>is, naturally, a trait which is synonymous with central authority, as a central government is needed to coordinate action because individual liberty is punished by the burden of having to carry the entire country
>creates a disincentive to work, denies the individual accountability for any success of their own enterprises

>>10216018
>using the term "neoliberal"
the sources which inspired you to write here are 100 years of communism-enforced genocide out of date
>implying that killing your mother is profitable
typical commie projection
also,
>by extension, implying that money is wealth
the value of a currency is determined by the health of the economy that backs it—and the health of an economy is tied directly to the health and happiness of its people

Anonymous Fri Dec 14 22:21:31 2018 No.10216181
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>>10216180
people will never be healthy and happy if their very DNA has been damaged by government mass medication programmes and environmental poisons, and their access to non-government approved medicines is restricted
i can't really fault you on thinking the way that you do on this, though, because even megacronies like bezos seem to think that having unlimited money, even if they reach their endgame of having totally destroyed the west, will forever grant them unlimited power

either that, or they people who pushed bezos forward realize that money is simply a means for exchanging wealth, and simply wanted to destroy a great thing because they're legitimately driven by a truly off-the-wall insane zionist agenda

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 14 22:43:46 2018 No.10216197 File: 299 KB, 710x505, 1541369987614.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10197688 If it's ok to blame the middle east's cousin marriage for the same thing. Then I will say it must be all the racemixing.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 14 22:53:19 2018 No.10216204 >>10198024 Holy fuck are you retarded? Warm weather breeds morons are in peoples who evolved in warm climates not people that moved there in the last 20 years

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 09:54:40 2018 No.10216991 >>10216162 >Very different from the USA living the rat-race The rat race is why the USA put a man on the moon.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 18:52:17 2018 No.10218242 >>10216197 The middle east has shit resources outside oil and constant religious wars.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 19:21:00 2018 No.10218291 >>10214762 >chile >52,7% white people

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>>10197688
Unstable governments and weak economies are discouraging environments for scientific output. There's little reason to expect anything other than a low scientific output relative to countries that don't experience the same inhibitors, ceteris paribus.

Also, these are people who are rightfully more concerned with Dionysian good living than overcommitment to the flaws that lead to someone becoming a scientist.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 20:20:46 2018 No.10218383 >>10216018 capitalism: born from social theories from the naive fad that was the enlightenment marxism: born from the evolution of social theory past the enlightenment

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 21:07:52 2018 No.10218476 >>10197688 From having lived in French Guiana I can confirm that any intellectual task is impossible to achieve in those parts of the world without air conditioning, which most schools don't even have.

Anonymous Sat Dec 15 21:58:40 2018 No.10218654

>>10198272
What makes you think that any of these (save perhaps the one about cartels) doesn't apply to Argentina?

>>10214762
That's very outdated due to recent waves of immigration lately. The percentage of black people is now at the very least 0.5% in Chile and Argentina.

>>10216114
This guy has it right. And today, Latin American governments don't spend money in science since we mostly live off the exporting of raw materials

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 21:59:32 2018 No.10218658 >>10197967 Kek

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 15 22:03:40 2018 No.10218671 >>10218654 >The percentage of black people is now at the very least 0.5% in Chile and Argentina Where are they getting black people from?

Anonymous Sat Dec 15 22:18:37 2018 No.10218717

>>10197688
Certainly a contributing factor is the small unstable economies. They really get rocked back and forth in the seas of international commerce, something places like the US and EU hardly feel (relatively). That and smaller economies are always hit first when things go bad. A very good indicator for our economic future is how well are places like Argentina weathering their problems. If the small economies all hit a recession, we shortly follow. Unfortunately they're mostly affected by moves places like the US and China make. Currently places like Argentina and Turkey seeing runanway interest rates and inflation, and recovery doesn't look good.
Back to the point- with so much uncertainty and lack of control over your own future, why invest heavily in it? Why bust your ass in school? There's practically no guarantee of a real career in some of these places. Fuck it. Enjoy the food. Do drugs. Enjoy life. They do have that going for them. You don't really view south america as a depressed and angry shit hole. Corrupt, dirty and poor, sure, but not depressed.

Not to mention the geography. It's hard as fuck moving things around there. But also the scenery is breathtaking, and there's so much opportunity to fall in love with nature rather than spend your time with your nose in a book. For anyone with curious mind, there's a wonderland in your back yard.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 16 06:47:58 2018 No.10219535 >>10218717 >Not to mention the geography. It's hard as fuck moving things around there Can this really be used as an excuse anymore?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 16 09:03:56 2018 No.10219722 File: 7 KB, 244x207, Florida man kidnaps scientist.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10216204 >Warm weather breeds morons By your logic Florida, California, Texas, Australia, Italy, Greece & Israel would be full of Morons Oh Wait...

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 16 16:37:07 2018 No.10220786 >>10219722 >By your logic Florida, California, Texas, Australia, Italy, Greece & Israel would be full of Morons > Oh Wait... A good chuckle was had!

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 16 18:10:58 2018 No.10221056 >>10198026 >>10211926 Isn't like 10% of Latin America genetically 99% european( who avg 98-101 IQ)? Not even counting castizos who are 80% european.

Anonymous Sun Dec 16 18:14:46 2018 No.10221069
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>>10218671
haiti and even directly from africa (senegal) in the case of argentina.
how all this worthless niggers got the money to get here?

i'll give you some context, argentina was just recently ruled by a lefty woman (kretina killner) and also chile was ruled by a woman (michele bachelet)....long story short, surpise, surprise michele bachelet now has a seat at the UN ... what a coincidence...

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/sep/10/un-human-rights-chief-sends-team-to-italy-after-alarming-anti-migrant-violence

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-un-rights-italy/italy-bristles-after-u-n-rights-chief-criticizes-migrants-treatment-idUSKCN1LR0RG

last week there was some controversy because the now president of chile, Sebastian Piñera, refuse to sign the UN migration pact.... sadly argentina did sign it.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-chile-migration/chile-declines-to-sign-un-pact-says-migration-not-a-human-right-report-idUSKBN1O80QT

sebastian piñera gave a very good explanation for his decision (its in spanish but wherever):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z6BeKAUOqyA

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 16 18:32:39 2018 No.10221117 >>10216991 yes, that is what he said also >we went to the moon yikes

Anonymous Sun Dec 16 18:38:45 2018 No.10221132
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>>10197688
To cut down on possible competition while making it easier for resource exploitation, governments and societies are destabilized and terrible leaders are installed by outside parties.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 16 19:44:16 2018 No.10221279 bump

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 17 09:44:15 2018 No.10222604 >>10221132 Europe produced the best science in history when it was shattered at warring. IDK what makes Latin America special.

Anonymous Mon Dec 17 11:38:36 2018 No.10222734

>>10197688
Highly agricultural until very recently, their agriculture sector is also more than a little weird compared to the West, and perceived and real problems with security of any investments. So there is some really interesting stuff going on but it's being overlooked because it's so far out there that people don't know what they're looking at, can't see how it's more widely applicable, how it could develop etc., as well as issues like brain drain (I know a lot of very smart Latin Americans because they live and work in Europe).

If I were to be more cynical, US hegemony because they're quite a threat to how the US government likes things to work on several fronts. The US is a very big power in the agricultural and defends that quite aggressively. They can cope with Australia and New Zealand being awesome because they're far away and generally disconnected, but if S America were awesome it'd really screw with a lot of American farmers.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 17 11:57:35 2018 No.10222773 >>10197688 Universities in that area have shit funding. Most scientists probably go to the US or some European countries.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 17 12:26:52 2018 No.10222828 >>10197688 >Why is Latin America's scientific output so low? Just like Spain's and Portugal's

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 17 14:36:33 2018 No.10223069 File: 37 KB, 355x355, Lil Pump Marijuana.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10222828 This. Spain & Portugal are the Brainlets of Europe. Their rape babies (Latin americans) inherited that.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 17 15:07:18 2018 No.10223133 captcha was made by a latinamerican

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 17 15:16:38 2018 No.10223155 >>10222604 Most European countries didn't have more advanced, wealthy, outside entities benefiting from their conflicts.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 17 18:35:23 2018 No.10223534 >>10198038 That's ecological fallacy. You can't make assumptions on individuals over data gathered from large groups. The mean IQ is only that: mean. There are people that are in the left side of the gaussian curve from these southern countries

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 17 19:17:32 2018 No.10223599 >>10219535 Leads to a shit economy and overpriced imports that doesn't produce guaranteed quality jobs. There's such low incentive to study is all I'm arguing.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 17 19:22:16 2018 No.10223605 >>10219535 Dude Norway's roads are bad for a country of it's wealth because road maintenance and building is fucked due to mountains and the climate.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 18 00:45:39 2018 No.10224158 >>10223534 It means there are significantly less geniuses in South America than there are in North America and European countries.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 18 00:54:04 2018 No.10224171 >>10198038 Why are americucks so obsessed with race? Also hispanic is such a stupid term... Spaniards are hispanic but they are white, i am german but also can speak spanish, would i be considered hispanic as well?

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 18 00:57:35 2018 No.10224177 >>10224171 Because blacks and hispanics make up most of the problems in this cunt. They are like a virus that destroys everything it touches and won't stop breeding.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 18 00:59:53 2018 No.10224181 >>10224177 I don't know, most americans (all of them white) i've meet were pretty stupid. I wouldn't say that blacks and latinos are the only problem.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 18 01:02:32 2018 No.10224190 >>10224181 blacks and spics are especially stupid, but you haven't talked to them so you wouldn't know If all races are the same then why are only 7% of STEM students are black when they make up 13% of the population?

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 18 01:40:42 2018 No.10224263 >>10197688 No money to fund research

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 18 01:47:47 2018 No.10224276 File: 138 KB, 1200x640, glaciar.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10198680 >correct south america=warm weather

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 18 01:53:08 2018 No.10224285 >>10197688 They chase out scientist and inventor a famous example is the guy that invented color tv.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 18 02:08:26 2018 No.10224300 >>10204870 Flynn effect is debunked, brainlet.

Anonymous Tue Dec 18 12:56:48 2018 No.10225146

>>10224158
True. My point is that no matter which country, there 'll be stupid and smart people. There are a number of people from third world countries that are smarter than the average American or European, but surely if you pick one person at random in Latin America, odds are that it'll be a dumb one . In the end what matters is your own personal intelligence and skills, and how hard you work for them

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 18 13:58:38 2018 No.10225292 >>10224181 White Americans have higher iqs, incomes, and test scores than nearly every European and Asian country.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 18 15:36:56 2018 No.10225548 Catholicism. Its still solid down there. Its fucks people's heads up. >must accept as true obvious untruths You cant pump people's brains full of pants on heads retardation from the moment of their birth without it screwing with their brains

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 18 18:43:18 2018 No.10226028 >>10222828 >>10223069 Spain is 10th in the world for scientific output: https://www.scimagojr.com/countryrank.php

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 18 18:44:59 2018 No.10226031 >>10225548 >t. seething fedora

Anonymous Tue Dec 18 18:45:18 2018 No.10226033

>>10224300
Its not debunked its just environmental modulation of the phenotype and has a maximum which once reached immediately reverses course and declining g starts to be reflected in declining iq scores. Khartoum in Sudan, a place lauded for exemplifying the flynn effect is already seeing falling iq in the elites and their western european educated children.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 18 19:02:26 2018 No.10226071 >>10197710 >Singapore Literally the Switzerland of Asia’s where’s the population comes mainly from East Asian >Israel Fake nation, kikes from Europe >Australia Anglo stock

Anonymous Wed Dec 19 05:49:51 2018 No.10226178

>>10226031

Hey man, look, I dont mean no disrespect to your fucked up kiddie fiddling religion or nothing. But honestly Catholicism has always been and still is all about mind control. Its not so bad for your normies, they are all useless sheep anyway what ever anyone does, but when Catholicism is instilled into anyone with more than half a brain it just fucks them up. Plain and simple. They become intellectually damaged goods. Its a real shame, but ya know, sometimes decent and clever people just happen to die in freak accidents, like being run over by a bus. That's a shame too. Shit happens, just like Catholicism happened.

Anonymous Wed Dec 19 07:21:54 2018 No.10226285

>>10226178
>Mean no disrespect
>Proceeds to disrespect

It's futile to argue with you, since you're so closed minded. To start a discussion both parties have to agree that each one has a brain and that even if one is misguided, there is a possibility of a reason for diverging opinions. That's not the case. Shame, but your loss

Anonymous Wed Dec 19 09:59:58 2018 No.10226462

>>10197688
There are not so much pop-sci as there are in the States or the UK. Is not easy to find kids that would like to be scientists (but maybe YouTube's pop-sci in spanish is raising the numbers up). There aren't many phds in science, like in the States where they have to compete. So low number of phds = low scientific output and low rate of new phd. High number of phds = high rate of new phds.
Also the preuniversitary or high school mathematics level is below Khan Academy in th most of the countries. Maybe we need more autistic and incels for us to have better scientific output.Besides all of that, many of the really good people from here just went to work to the first world and never came back.

>>	Colombian Wed Dec 19 11:48:19 2018 No.10226629 >>10197722 Half of Spain has about the same weather as the southern half of England

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 19 11:49:37 2018 No.10226632 Brazil and Argentina do OK. I met lots of academics from there, here in Europe.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 19 11:52:29 2018 No.10226639 >>10200384 All the south of Europe does very well and I would bet that if the middle east wasn't so fucked up, they would do well too, since I met quite a few very smart people from those parts.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 19 11:56:26 2018 No.10226650 >>10226071 >Hot Climate breed Retards. Gypsies, Muslims & Africans moving to Sweden & UK don't make them smarter. Australia, Texas, California & Florida have significant Scientific Output. Genetics influences more than climate.

Colombian Wed Dec 19 12:03:29 2018 No.10226666

Climate is not necessarily a contributing factor. 3/4 of our population live in the Andes mountain range, which has lower year-round average temperatures than the USA south. To our west we have Panama, which is indeed a very tropical country with its main cities sitting at sea level and they are the country with the highest GDP per capita and purchasing power in Latin America (not counting Puerto Rico).

I believe the answer is transparency of institutions, enforcing the respect of private property and rule of law (the USA has less of this each passing day so it's funny to see them criticizing Latin America). Then we need investment in education so people don't end up joining gangs or being unemployed and instead they can attend college and increase Latin America's research output

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 19 12:06:36 2018 No.10226674 >>10226666 Checked

Anonymous Wed Dec 19 12:13:00 2018 No.10226688

Richard Feynman addressed this in his autobiography, where he actually did a scientific presentation, IN PORTUGESE, in Brazil. The kicker of that story is nobody told him all the presentations were supposed to be in English. The students he met were as rote as chinks.

>>10198038
The problem with all these is they infer IQ from test results. I don't doubt chinks are effective test takers, but their supposedly high IQ has no reflection in their society or culture. They only show up as statistical artifacts because China doesn't represent it's lower-status citizens and legal/educated immigrants are always 1-2 standard deviations above their average citizens. Jews are even more aggressive with it. Only creativity they show is bamboozling people.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 19 12:16:48 2018 No.10226696 >>10226688 yeh, everyone except whites skews their results, amirite?

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 19 13:37:52 2018 No.10226869 >>10209574 BTFO meme-argument brainlet

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 19 13:46:01 2018 No.10226887 >>10226696 I bet you believe 85% of Argentina is white

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 19 15:17:10 2018 No.10227124 File: 24 KB, 236x301, 1022D0A7-DD86-4795-A106-525508EAD2D1.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10226178 See >>10226031

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 19 15:22:35 2018 No.10227133 >>10209642 Those and the dozens of other examples throughout history are literally proof that communism doesn’t work. >inb4 i-it’ll work this time!

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 19 15:27:18 2018 No.10227147 >>10213035 >we need 3/4 of the world sunken into extreme poverty working for us or our system does not work at all No reputable economist believes this. This is called the zero sum fallacy.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 19 15:29:16 2018 No.10227153 >>10213035 >>10227147 And the proof that this is nonsense is that, globally, the poor are getting richer faster than at any time in history.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 19 15:30:17 2018 No.10227156 File: 21 KB, 276x362, ED8A3946-88C8-4498-945D-37CA7936AA9B.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10225548 >>10226178 But that’s objectively wrong

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Anonymous Wed Dec 19 15:59:26 2018 No.10227240

>>10198690
This except I've lost all hope that anything like the glorious SSSR will ever be attempted again

Literally no one has the balls Lenin had these days. Saw his family members executed by Tsarists, but instead of doing something dumb he receded into years of careful study of science, history, philosophy and economics.

He was ascetic, anti-opportunist, and extremely intelligent, but must importantly wholly devoted to a higher cause.

Which no man is today basically. Not because men changed but because it's impossible:(

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 19 16:04:58 2018 No.10227256 People shitting on Catholicism lmao Protestantism is literally the religion of bootlicking autists, so no wonder 4chan doesn't pick on it

Anonymous Wed Dec 19 16:11:08 2018 No.10227277

>>10227240
>This except I've lost all hope that anything like the glorious SSSR will ever be attempted again

SSSR was anything but glorious, it was a stagnating shithole and scientific output of capitalist West was an order of magnitude higher.

t. actually someone from a post-communist country

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 19 16:15:03 2018 No.10227290 >>10216114 But hundreds of Anglo retards on 4chan spamming "muh iq" is all it takes to forget this Right-wing is literal mind cancer

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 19 16:15:23 2018 No.10227293 >>10227277 >t. actually someone from a post-communist country ...not a post Soviet one??

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 19 18:58:19 2018 No.10227610 Because their society doesn't value it and anyone who is any good goes to the united states

Anonymous Wed Dec 19 19:15:34 2018 No.10227633

>>10216114
> If Aliens landed in ancient greece, death ray'd every library in the region, murdered 95% of the population, and kept them in poverty for 200 years, europe would be just as bad

That's practically the Dark Ages (500 - 1000 AD). Europe did bounce back, after some time.

The Native civilizations didn't even use the wheel (there are wheels in their toys I think). They were not comparable to any of the Old World civilizations whether in Europe or Asia.

Lastly, the past can't be used to justify the present situation indefinitely. I imagine if the US had never become a superpower, people would use things like the War of 1812 or the Civil War as crutches to explain the national failure. Yet the real US went through these crisis and more and survived. Many other countries did as well.

Anonymous Wed Dec 19 19:16:48 2018 No.10227635

>>10227156
>>10227256
You don't understand the criticism because you're probably middle class Catholic. I grew up Catholic but I grew up poor. I studied at a Catholic HS on a merit based scholarship. What I noticed was a completely different kind of Catholic culture.
The thing is Catholic clergy are very classist (especially in some shithole in Latin America). If you are middle class or rich they think of you as someone to mentor and befriend. If you are poor they think of you as a sheep to be kept in line.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 19 20:04:43 2018 No.10227738 >>10227277 >SSSR Soviet Union wasn't Real Communism Communism has never been tried

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 19 20:45:23 2018 No.10227825 >>10226688 >the students he met were as rote as chinks Meaning, what? Were they black?

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 19 20:59:32 2018 No.10227850 >>10227825 They studied fine but couldn't apply the knowledge at all. His question was triboluminescence. He would get the textbook response but they couldn't describe an actual situation where they could test it.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 19 21:07:11 2018 No.10227867 >>10227633 Machu Pichu? The Mesoamerican Pyramids?

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 19 21:13:55 2018 No.10227880 >>10227867 I get the impression Europe, Persia, India, and China had a lot more under their belt. Although to be fair, the Americas had not been inhabited for as long as Eurasia

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 19 21:35:06 2018 No.10227923 >>10227850 So are you implying that's an IQ thing or what? American kids are the same.

Anonymous Thu Dec 20 00:23:34 2018 No.10228217
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we have warm weather and warm family who didnt give a fck about study science but work , my parents worked being 8yo, they had brothers so there was no time for study in some random garbage school, they needed money kek. So dont expect us to take science too srsly this generation.

I admire the US cus they managed to TRICK (lie ,take them for retards, "we dont give a fck about politics, cus we know thats a stupid invent for animals control" be like) the world and its "money-gold system" to improve ur infrastructure . And things like 9/11 for then play to the heroes in Mohamedland, we take it in the funniest way buddies. And there are also ppl who hate the US cus they think they are taking control over us (there are classified files) and prefer the Russia-China side lul . Well we have drugs , corrupt and criminal sht but just like u guys, but u sure like some of dirty intelligence stuff, dont play dumb we will follow ur example soon.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 20 00:27:36 2018 No.10228226 >>10197697 Counterexample: Greece and Italy, which laid the foundation of Western civilizations.

Anonymous Thu Dec 20 02:59:26 2018 No.10228430

>>10227880
>>10227633
>>10227867
Firstly, the Dark ages are largerly overstated, what happened in Mesoamerica and the Andes does not at all compare, it was far, far worse. The Dark Ages did involve drops in urban populations and some other things, but it was not 95% population losses, total, complete eradication of all historical records, art, literature, etc. Much of the infanstructure, cities, and knowledge of the Classical period survived from europe even if not unscathed.

Secondly, No offense, but your understanding of Mesoamerican and Andean civilizations is pretty ignorant. They were absolutely comparable to various old world civilizations, People get caught up on the whole wheel and metal thing but you need to understand is that those two things were specifically limited due geography. Mexico/Guatamala did not have any sort of beasts of burden or other draft animals, and most of the lowlands are dense jungles, with the highlands being mesas, valleys, etc.

There is little reason to use wheels for transportation, even in the old world you do not see the development of non-animal driven carts like wheelbarrows till around 0ad in China. In Peru/Bolvia, you had llamas, and they were used, but the Andes is litterally a giant fucking mountain range, As far as metal use, the Andes used bronze weapons, armor, and tools, and the Mesoamericans smelted bronze, but did not use it for tools, weapons, or armor much, mostly due to the fact that the heat and humidity made metal armor infeasible (even Spanish conquistadors gave up most of theirs in favor of Ichcahuipilli, which was basically a sort of Mesoamerican gambeson), and without metal armor being a factor, the major advantage metal has over obsidian in weapons, it's durability, ceases to be as much of a big advantage; and as you noted, the Mesoamericans, did, in fact use toys with axeles and wheels and used wheels for pottery production, they understood the mechanical properties of them fine.

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>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 20 03:03:08 2018 No.10228435 >>10197688 Because they speak a colonial language as their first language. Super cucked. Most other races don't this as far I know

Anonymous Thu Dec 20 04:05:31 2018 No.10228493
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>>10228430
>>10227633
>>10227867
>>10227880
Just as easily you could point out their lack of use of wheels, I could point out the lack of suspension bridges amongst Eurasians: The Andeans made extensive use of them an and in general of textiles and clothes and tensile physics for other things (their "writing system" was actually a sort of 3d knot system rather then written characters) and the Mesoamericans actually built the world's first true suspension bridge with vertical suspenders and support columns.

I'm less knowledgeable about the Andes, so i'm not going to talk about them as much, but the Mesoamericans were generally comparable to Iron age and Classical civilizations like Ancient Grece. City sizes were comparable to early classical anitquity and contemporary europe, with the average city being in the 10k to 20k range, moderately large ones 30k to 40k, and the really big ones in the 100k to 200k range, see pic related, so only really being eclipsed by the Romans; and Mesoamericans actually exceeded Europeans in terms of their hydraulic systems: Even the earliest cities in Mesoamerican history back in 1400 BC had aqueducts, and moving forward you had highly complex drainage and reservoir systems, canals, aqaudcuts, running water, toilets, pressurized fountains, etc. By the time of the Aztecs almost 3000 years later, their capital was literally made out of a artificial islands, with venice like canals between them, connected to other cities around the core of the empire around the lake basin via causeways, aqueduct, and dike systems cutting all across the lake. They similarly had some of the most complex sanitation, medical and botanical practices of any pre-modern society, with complete sewage systems, civil servants who swept streets and washed buildings, regularly bathing for commoners, daily for nobility, and essentially proton-taxonomic categorization systems for plants and flowers as well as having made the world's first true botanical gardens.

2/?

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 20 04:40:32 2018 No.10228534 >>10228435 Literally the same as the USA.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 20 04:42:00 2018 No.10228537 >>10228534 USA is basically English or british. It's a European outpost not a colony

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 20 04:45:45 2018 No.10228539 >>10198024 Isn't CA's average IQ like 90?

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 20 06:45:38 2018 No.10228624 >>10201499 I think America already is it. Just dont get too cocky or u will selfdestroy u

Anonymous Thu Dec 20 06:49:39 2018 No.10228635

>>10227256

Look I am deeply sorry for the fact that your clergymen abused you as a child, but do face the facts. The whole foundation of Protestantism in is based upon independent thought, upon INDIVIDUALISM, a concept that is hammered out of you stupid micks at an early age.

How can you even compete with people who from childhood are encouraged and mentored in thinking for themselves? Critical thinking and by default analysis is instilled into our psyche right from the very start, while the bright among your pope sucking lot are relentlessly hammered down by a dogmatic orthodoxy which is based upon authoritarian rule and slavish obedience to conservatism in mind as well as manner. The intellectuals you do produce by sheer statistical probability are therefore shacked by an indoctrination which stunts independent and creative thought.

In other words Catholicism: It fucks your brains up.

I know its hard for you to grasp this simple and basic fact, seeing as you are Catholic, but please understand I mean no disrespect. Despite its intellectually damaging influence I am sure the catholic church brings a great deal of meaning into people's lives which is exactly what they need after they get fucked up the ass by their own priests.

Anonymous Thu Dec 20 08:07:38 2018 No.10228743
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>>10228493
>>10228430
>>10227880
>>10227633
Cont:

Armies were organized, with formal rank systems, fought in formation, used armoraries and garrsions, and used discrete classes of weapons and armor, etc.You also see a huge emphasis on intellectualism and philosophy, the arts, similar to ancient greece, with nobles and royalrty going to elite academies headed by philosophers and thinkers and being taught fine art, poetry, history, mathmatics, etc. The Aztec capital, in fact, had state education for all it's citizens, regardless of social class or gender. I, again, point back to the image I posted on Aztec poetry here: >>10216114

You have fully complex goverments with civil offices, legal systems, courts; stuff like coups, political marriages, wars of successon, etc,. and a political system every similar to ancient greece in particular in terms of how city states interacted, though arguably more complex due to Mesoamerican state's tendeancy to set up extremely complex diplomatic and tributary networks for empires based on indirect rule and interaction.

Bottom line, Mesoamerican societies were very comparable to Old World civilizations, overall I would say Bronze age for metallurgy, warfare, architecture, economics, Iron age/Classical for cities, governments, the arts/philosophy, and at/ahead of europe at the time for sanitation/medicine, horticulture/botany, and hydraulics. I, again, know less about Andean civilizations, but I would say they are more purely on par with Bronze age ones, with smaller cities, less complex writing systems, but the Inca empire in parrticular also having far more complex adminstative systems and economics.

Here's an image of the suspension bridge, btw

3/?

Anonymous Thu Dec 20 08:16:31 2018 No.10228749
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>>10228743
>>10228493
>>10228430
>>10227880
>>10227867
>>10227633
Cont:

also, for further reading, check out my recommendations for resources here: https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/5446429/#5453842 and

>my posts on quality of life and society in Tenochtitlan, the aztec captial here https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/5446429/#5466013 ; the thread in general is a good resource, with me linking rars and stuff of art around, and another rar of stuff (Mesoamerican featherwork, including paintings made of feathers in the colional era by aztec artists/using their techniques) is here: https://pastebin.com/0Rmq4rLf

>my posts on aztec sacrifice practtices, cosmology and philosophy here: https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/5495687/ ; note that there were two other anons having nonstop obnoxous conversations, stick to just my posts

>my posts on their Aztec warfare here: https://archived.moe/k/thread/39206407

>my posts on metallurgy, watercraft, and briefly on goverments here: https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/4232340/#4233526

>My posts on why the Conquest of Mexico was extremely lucky and how it easily could have turned out with Cortes failing, and the region escaping colonization: https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/5526254/#5526329 and https://boards.fireden.net/v/thread/441551507/#441565260

>An overall summery of Mesoamerican history: https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/4176613 Albeit the posts about how the Aztec empire got founded in partcular (posts 11 to 16 in the main reply chain) is made obsolete by the other series of /his/ posts I did here: https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/5285820/#5290147

>A very brief overview of city sizes, hydraluics, sanitation, and botony here: https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/5506706/#5528829 and a much, much longer version here which I never finished here: https://desuarchive.org/k/thread/39546199/#39557233

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>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 20 08:28:27 2018 No.10228759 >>10228635 The independent thought and teaching away from core doctorines is what caused secularism and atheism anon. Why we have trannies, gay marriage cucks and abortions; in an effort to spite the church people went against the teachings.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 20 12:42:27 2018 No.10229089 >>10228759 No pain no gain.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 20 14:05:53 2018 No.10229247 >>10228539 Still the best highest ranked universities in the world and highest salaries too.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 20 15:00:38 2018 No.10229349 >>10227240 >lenin dude literally died in a Mansion while the people starved LMAO

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 20 16:31:48 2018 No.10229555 File: 91 KB, 1272x800, Global IQ Scores.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10197703 spbp, south america has room temperature iq

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 20 18:07:42 2018 No.10229739 >>10228430 >>10228493 >>10228743 >>10228749 too long didn’t read lol

Anonymous Thu Dec 20 18:12:35 2018 No.10229744

>>10229739
Here's your tl;dr:

>>10228743
>Bottom line, Mesoamerican societies were very comparable to Old World civilizations, overall I would say Bronze age for metallurgy, warfare, architecture, economics, Iron age/Classical for cities, governments, the arts/philosophy, and at/ahead of europe at the time for sanitation/medicine, horticulture/botany, and hydraulics.

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